Thread Number: 97933
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Post# 1228861   4/15/2025 at 04:27 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() In the past I had a GE washer with a single speed motor that was labelled "delicate". The washer was far from delicate in general. There were no soaks or pauses on delicate and the delicate rinse was longer in agitation time than the Cottons Heavy Cycle. Which got me thinking. Is there a standard as to what a delicate cycle or any particular cycle must conform to? Would it be theoretically possible for someone to successfully litigate GE for false advertising or can a company legally label anything hand-wash/delicate/ Permanent Press/ect entirely on discretion?
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Post# 1228884 , Reply# 1   4/15/2025 at 10:57 by bajaespuma ![]() |
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![]() when I got my first appliance brochures.
GE counted all of these points on their normal cycle dial as individual cycles. I remember wasting a couple of hours one day trying to get the "SOAK" cycle on the dial (a total lie; later they defined it as an "ACTIVATED SOAK". Most of the other brands did the same thing. Maytag didn't back then; one of many reasons I had respect for the company and the product.
I asked a relative who was an attorney and the answer was (and is), "Caveat Emptor".
Now that we have a president who is a pathological liar, I doubt anybody worries about a lot of marketing lies anymore. Ralph Nader, we should have elected you.
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Post# 1228905 , Reply# 2   4/15/2025 at 15:28 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() From what someone told me on this site (DaDoEs or Appnut or both) soak was meant to fill then agitate for a short period of time and then the user pushed in the dial for however long they wanted to soak the clothes. Dumb, because you couldn't even get warm water on latter machines. And it wasn't explained on the lid or in the user manual.
To me a soak cycle in marketing terms is one that either stops automatically after agitation; or fills, agitates, soaks for a period say 20 minutes, then advances to prewash.
Ideally for me a soak cycle fills, agitates, soaks, agitates, soaks then advances to the main wash.
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Post# 1228912 , Reply# 4   4/15/2025 at 16:22 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1228922 , Reply# 5   4/15/2025 at 17:55 by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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those where the days credit to philr for the pic set dial to needed wash time let washer do its work when done move to dryer and voila laundry done for the day unless more then 1 load
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Post# 1228944 , Reply# 7   4/16/2025 at 05:10 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1228946 , Reply# 8   4/16/2025 at 06:19 by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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these knobs where on 1972 inglis whirlpool washers the set is 1972 inglis royal100 washer dryer
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Post# 1228948 , Reply# 9   4/16/2025 at 06:48 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Whirlpool and GE had the best cycle conventions IMO. I also like the alphabet cycles Whirlpool had where the temperature was built into the letter selected.
Anyways, it seems like Whirlpool was the most hesitant at calling a single speed cycle "delicate" Roper washers for example, despite even having a soak period in there least intensive cycle, would call that cycle "fabricare" instead of "delicate"
I guess the question I'm asking is, can a manufacturer legally take what would normally be a heavy duty cycle with 20 minutes of 180+ OPM agitation and call it "delicate" ?
Some washers seemed to have delicate cycles that were way rougher than the next and others that were more gentle than the next. |
Post# 1228971 , Reply# 10   4/16/2025 at 10:42 by DADoES ![]() |
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Post# 1228973 , Reply# 11   4/16/2025 at 10:54 by appnut ![]() |
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Times will be approximate, its been 40+ years since the last time I used this washer. Our 1970 Kenmore 800 Enzyme Soak Cycle was 30 minute duration. Agitation was gentle. Initial fill and agitate for 2 mionutes. Soak for like 6 or 10 mintes, then agitate for 20 or 20 seconds. Soak again for like 6 or 10 minutes. Then another brief agitate. Timer continueas to advance and reaches the prewash section which is 4 minutes of gentle agitation. Drains, spins for 2 minutes high speed and either shuts off or advances to Normal Cycle, depending whether soak selector was set to soak only or soak & wash. This cycle was designed to work perfectly with Axion or Biz soak/prewash products.
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Post# 1228985 , Reply# 12   4/16/2025 at 12:17 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() That reminds me of the A407 presoak. Which is:
Fill (timer stalled until pressure switch satisfied)
Agitate 2 minutes
Soak 7 minutes
Agitate 1 minute
Soak 6 minutes
Agitate 1 minute
Soak 7 minutes
Agitate 2 minutes
Soak 1 minute
Spin 2 minutes
Off
Beautiful- applause to Maytag!
27 minutes of soaking and agitation I like. It would be easy to implement on a 66 minute continuous advance timer, where the press care cycle would be on a BOL GE or Hotpoint machine.
Only difference is I prefer a direct lead into the main wash such that the additives continue working. Though this would work more for stains like tomato sauce rather then very heavy caked on soils like mud dried clothes which require a water change out and refill i my experience.
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Post# 1228991 , Reply# 13   4/16/2025 at 13:07 by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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if you had a whirlpool washer like this would you use it? with matching dryer or the inglis whirlpool version made in canada?
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Post# 1228999 , Reply# 14   4/16/2025 at 14:05 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() I'd use the dryer if it were an extra large capacity machine like my current badge Maytag, but I'd be torn on the washer. I don't like how short the rinses are on belt drives, the neutral drain or the slow spin speed- though the slow spin speed I can live with if it means longevity on the basis of it being a vintage machine. Now, if I had to choose between a model T, any modern VMW and your set I'd hands down take your set. |
Post# 1229028 , Reply# 15   4/16/2025 at 19:02 by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1229047 , Reply# 16   4/17/2025 at 04:44 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1229122 , Reply# 17   4/17/2025 at 20:30 by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I had a GE that had auto soak 15 and 30 minutes. |
Post# 1229149 , Reply# 18   4/18/2025 at 08:46 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1229254 , Reply# 20   4/19/2025 at 10:22 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() I am positive these models, at least the ones I've seen with the Fabricare label on the dial, are single speed. Pics of the same washer from a used appliance store advertising online give a model number of RAX5133A. The publicly available tech sheet for RAX5133 shows a single speed motor depicted. The cycle on the timer sequence chart is called "short"
Normal is labelled at 6 minutes in, I think Whirlpool knows the agitation is rough on high agitation.
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Post# 1229258 , Reply# 21   4/19/2025 at 10:29 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1229264 , Reply# 22   4/19/2025 at 12:09 by DADoES ![]() |
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Post# 1229268 , Reply# 24   4/19/2025 at 13:09 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1229269 , Reply# 25   4/19/2025 at 13:15 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Dan, you are not incorrect. According to the RAX5133A manual, fabricare is classed as being for delicate and knit items.
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Post# 1229279 , Reply# 26   4/19/2025 at 16:26 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1229338 , Reply# 28   4/20/2025 at 12:08 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Thanks. Your model is definitely a two speeder. Here is the use and care manual.
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Post# 1229349 , Reply# 29   4/20/2025 at 14:27 by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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here a pic of a whirlpool direct drive top load, washer that use to belong to elderly neighbors what is the year of the washer. And if needed to go back to used refurbish as new can this model still be found withe the matching dryer?
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Post# 1229351 , Reply# 30   4/20/2025 at 14:36 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1229357 , Reply# 31   4/20/2025 at 15:50 by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1229368 , Reply# 32   4/20/2025 at 16:21 by Chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() If I got it right year 1999, on the 43 week.
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Post# 1229370 , Reply# 33   4/20/2025 at 16:24 by DADoES ![]() |
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