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Post# 181119 1/6/2007 at 13:43 (6,311 days old) by trainguy  (Key West, FL) |
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Post# 181120 , Reply# 1 1/6/2007 at 13:44 (6,311 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL) |
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Post# 181121 , Reply# 2 1/6/2007 at 13:45 (6,311 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL) |
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| Post# 181127 , Reply# 3 1/6/2007 at 13:48 (6,311 days old) by scott55405 () | ||
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Very nice! Is this a Westinghouse made machine? Is "Windsor" another trade name Wards used? I'm not familiar with it. | ||
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Post# 181132 , Reply# 4 1/6/2007 at 13:51 (6,311 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 181134 , Reply# 5 1/6/2007 at 13:52 (6,311 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL) |
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Post# 181157 , Reply# 7 1/6/2007 at 16:13 (6,311 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 181163 , Reply# 8 1/6/2007 at 16:38 (6,311 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Sorry, I did not see it nor did I see any related discussion. | ||
| Post# 181177 , Reply# 9 1/6/2007 at 17:26 (6,311 days old) by scott55405 () | ||
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Thanks Tom! I wonder why a city the size of Atlanta did not have Montgomery Wards. I remember you saying that in the past as well. | ||
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Post# 181202 , Reply# 10 1/6/2007 at 19:55 (6,311 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 181216 , Reply# 11 1/6/2007 at 21:27 (6,311 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm) | ||
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I have that dryer and a Westinghouse that look like many components were done in the same mold. The Windsor is definitely a shrubbery flocker. Mine are both wired for 110 volts. The timer and element on the windsor are out of commission, but it was nice when the little console pane was lit. | ||
| Post# 181221 , Reply# 12 1/6/2007 at 21:48 (6,311 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York) | ||
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Nice knobs on that old girl! | ||
| Post# 181224 , Reply# 13 1/6/2007 at 22:00 (6,311 days old) by jeb (Mansfield Ohiio) | ||
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wards catalog I have an old Wards catalog that has pictures of Wards laundry equipment that looks very much like this dryer. | ||
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Post# 181230 , Reply# 14 1/6/2007 at 22:19 (6,311 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 181284 , Reply# 15 1/7/2007 at 09:07 (6,311 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA) |
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Wards had spotty retail coverage targeted pretty much on their catalogue business...for instance they had stores in Kansas City and Chicago, but never St. Louis (and never Atlanta). There's an interesting Harvard Business School case on Sears versus Wards immediately post-WW2...Sears "turned on the gas" and opened stores right after the war (and so was right on top of the suburbanization of the US in the late 40s/early 50s and got into all the malls being built in that time frame)...Wards was led by a really autocratic CEO who believed there would be a depression after the war, so by 1952, I think, they had fewer stores than they did in 1942, and didn't get into mall-based retail until about 1960 or so, which they finally did in a very focused manner and were relatively successful (did a clustering strategy in certain metros where they'd been strong...Kansas City, Minneapolis, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles/San Francisco, Washington DC). JC Penney had a different problem...strong small-town cash-based dry-goods business, not mall-based, credit based or catalogue. Bought a catalogue business in ca 1962 (it was the first computerized catalog business as compared to Sears/Wards), moved into malls as they went hard-lines also in the early 60s (interesting that they never did a catalog-based hardlines business like Sears/Wards...the catalogue business they bought was more apparel/soft home based). jl | ||
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Post# 181288 , Reply# 16 1/7/2007 at 10:51 (6,311 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 181308 , Reply# 18 1/7/2007 at 12:34 (6,310 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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knobs The knobs look just like the ones on the old spacemates I bet the glass looks the same too. | ||
| Post# 181309 , Reply# 19 1/7/2007 at 12:35 (6,310 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Windsor? I certainly see the MW logo, Did they sell this as an In-house brand? I thought they labeled all the MW appliances Signature? | ||
| Post# 181341 , Reply# 20 1/7/2007 at 14:06 (6,310 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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| Post# 181392 , Reply# 21 1/7/2007 at 18:41 (6,310 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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Post# 181426 , Reply# 22 1/7/2007 at 20:23 (6,310 days old) by mistereric (New Jersey (Taylor Ham)) |
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jcpenny
"JC Penney had a different problem...strong small-town cash-based dry-goods business, not mall-based, credit based or catalogue. Bought a catalogue business in ca 1962 (it was the first computerized catalog business as compared to Sears/Wards)" Wow. I'm surprised. I recently had an experience where Penney's wouldn't take an item on a return without a reciept for full price, even though I had purchased it on my Penney's card. Wouldn't one be able to see it was bought for the full price if their own credit card statement said so? N ot sure if it was a line of BS, or if their computer systems just can't do it. Penney's wasn't in the Staten Island Mall until the mid 90's, until the third wing was added. Before that, it was in a strip mall on the north shore in what was the dumpiest building. When I was a kid, I used to think Penney's was a dusty, pathetic relic until I saw other locations. Nothing but soft goods there, and a basement level with no escalators. Perhaps they are still using the same 1960's era computing systems? With the amount of screw-ups they've subjected mom to through her catalog orders, I wouldn't be surprised. :-) | ||
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Post# 181550 , Reply# 25 1/8/2007 at 07:39 (6,310 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA) |
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Problem with looking up credit cards now is that Penneys (along with Sears and Wards in 1988) outsourced their credit (Penneys to GE Capital, Sears to Citicorp, Wards to GE Capital) and the direct connection is severed. Essentially, GE Capital writes a biiiiiiiig check every night to Penneys for all the credit sales done during the day (probably less a percentage). Wards Catalogue stores in St. Louis....there was one at Chippewa/Hampton (actually across from the 1st shopping-center based Penneys in Hampton Village which opened in around 1949 and is still open) and there was one in Kirkwood (suburb). Think there might have been one in Florissant or somewhere far north, and probably one in Belleville/Metro East. I worked for Wards credit (GE Capital) from 1989-1992...that was after Wards catalog had closed (apparently they induced a lot of entrepreneurs to set up new/remodeled catalog stores in the 1985/6 timeframe then shut down catalog in 1987/8 so there were lots of lawsuits. When I was at GE Capital, Wards had 3 tiers of stores....metro stores in multiple store markets...this was like Los Angeles/San Francisco/Denver/Kansas City/Minneapolis/Chicago/Dallas/Houston/Tampa/Washington where they had multiple stores (generally but not always in second-tier malls in those cities, though there were exceptions like in Overland Park Kansas where they (and Penneys) were in the premier mall and Sears was relegated to an also-ran mall), metro stores in single store markets (big stores in the one-and-only mall in town, like Albuquerque/Lansing/Columbus, GA/Greenville, SC/Laredo TX), then small stores which had hard goods, auto and limited soft goods--these stores were rather oddly clustered and situated, like Lockport NY/Carlisle PA/Bedford PA--but had very limited competition so were very profitable (remember this was before WalMart in much of the country). Strangely, the only line of business in which Wards was not an also-ran was mattresses...they did very well with them as a whole nationwide. They also were, as I recall, the biggest La-Z-Boy seller in the US. During that period, as I recall, they sold Norge and White-Westinghouse privatelabel laundry, Norge private label refrigeration, White Westinghouse privatelabel dishwashers, ?? (probably @@) ranges | ||
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Post# 181600 , Reply# 27 1/8/2007 at 12:46 (6,309 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Wards Locations
Jamie, my parents were Wards people through and through. I think it has to do with my mom having worked at Sears in Chicago in the 30's & 40's, and I guess it ended up with her not liking Sears. Here in San Jose the only Wards was an ancient 2-story dumpy rickety small store in the nearly dead downtown business district. No parking, limited selection, and my dad often ended up disgusted and driving to Oakland to the huge multi-story flagship store/distribution center for areas west of the Rockies. It wasn't until the early 70's that Wards built a modern department store at a mall here in town and then built a couple more over the following years. I've pretty much always hated Wards. We had appliances from there and across the board they were all inferior to their Sears counterparts. My mom had a Wards (Norge) laundry pair from 1968. My dad had the washer apart to replace the tranny right away--must have had a very short warranty. 7 years later that machine made such a racket with something failing, I convinced my mom it was time for a new machine and we went to Sears. She bought a nearly TOL model and it lasted 25 years. The nearly BOL side-by-side fridge I also insisted come from Sears was bought around that same time. It's still running as the main fridge at my mom's, almost 32 years later. For me it's no contest. Wards generally sold junk, Sears didn't. | ||
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Post# 181611 , Reply# 28 1/8/2007 at 14:52 (6,309 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA) |
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I'm not defending Wards at all...just giving more background. I was always fascinated by Wards because they had stores near my grandparents in Chicago but didn't have any in St. Louis, and my grandparents had a furnace humidifier from Wards which my grandfather and I had to go to Randhurst to buy replacement pads for. It was like Sears....but not quite!
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Post# 183341 , Reply# 31 1/15/2007 at 15:15 (6,302 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York) |
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like this Tom? Westinghouse from May 1955 CLICK HERE TO GO TO steved's LINK | ||
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Post# 183389 , Reply# 32 1/15/2007 at 18:47 (6,302 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York) |
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Sorry guess i didnt load the pic right :-( | ||
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