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I have a W1 washer and T1 dryer on order.  Should have them in a couple of weeks.  I am doing to my laundry room what is sounds like you’re doing with your pantry.  I want a stacked unit and the space I have won’t accommodate our enormous Samsung set.  For the space I have, we need a compact stacked set. 

 

I did a lot of research and settled on the Miele set for a number of reasons.  As far as how much they hold and whether or not they will accommodate your family not only depends on the size of the drum but your laundry habits.  Do you wait and do all the laundry in one day or do you do a load or two a day?  For years I have had the habit of doing a load a day, maybe two, so if the washer runs longer it doesn’t matter all that much.  As far as drying is concerned, do you put the dryer on high heat, jam packed full of stuff and expect it to be done in less than an hour?  I have always run my dryer on the lowest setting (with only a couple of exceptions) because I think it’s better on the clothes.  My dryer now takes upwards of 1.5 to 2 hours to dry a load because I set it so low so moving to a heat pump dryer will likely not change things all that much.

 

My expectation for this new set is very clean clothes spun faster than what I have today and a dryer cycle that I am used to.  

 

My opinion is if you do a load or two a day you likely won’t have an issue with the Miele set.  If you’re used to doing all the laundry in one day you probably want a larger set with a shorter wash and dry times.

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Hi Tom

 

I've had a Miele W1 & T1 set for about 6 years.  I had a nice chat with Ralph (chachp) when he was making his decision to buy the Miele set.  From what I understand of Ralph's laundry routine, I feel the Miele set should suit him very well.  

 

As for you, Tom, would you be happy to spread your laundry out over the week?  If so, then cycle time and capacity will be less important and the Miele set may work well for you.  Or do you want to save up all the laundry from a family of 5 or 6 people and wash the whole lot in quick succession on a Saturday morning?  In which case, I would recommend a full-size set rather than the Miele if you are looking for the largest capacity and shortest cycle times.

 

As for cycle times, it's hard to say without knowing what your laundry loads look like and what cycles you would choose.  But I would probably allow somewhere around 60-90 minutes for the washer and typically at least the same again for the dryer, give or take.  The dryer is certainly slower than a full-size vented dryer, but as the W1 can spin your towels at 1,600 RPM this makes up for the dryer's slowness to an extent compared to a traditional TL set spinning at ~700 RPM.  

 

I have an American kingsize conformer, but I imagine that they do come in very different thicknesses.  I don't know how bulky yours is, but mine is fairly thick and I can just about squash it into the W1.  Really, the machine is overloaded, but it does wash it.  It fits in the dryer easily but does fill the dryer drum completely.  It needs to be turned once or twice during drying.  As the Miele heat pump dryer does not have a heater as such (heat is generated as a result of operating the heat pump in a closed circuit) the temperatures in the dryer is very even and there is no hot spot at the back of the drum.  So I can dry the comforter without fear of damage, even though it is permanently in contact with the rear of the drum.  It dries fine but is emerges very creased, but that isn't a problem for me as I use it like a duvet inside a duvet cover.

 

So I would be hesitant to recommend the Miele set to you without knowing more about your laundry habits and expectations.  

 

Mark

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You'd think I'd know this, since we carry them, but I've never actually had a w1 set here.

Do the w1's have a recirculation spray

I know the electrolux compact's do have one like the 627, and I'd say that might help move things along faster. Just throwing it out there though.

 

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I always love it when someone asks for opinions on AW and all the responses are different and very good.

 

I will add one more possibility great choice for your family.

 

If you need a stack to save space and have a lot of laundry to do for a long time into the future a Speed Queen Gas or electric stack may be your best choice. It is only 3" wider and about 2" deeper than the Miele machines, and it is about the same cost as the Miele pair.

 

They are far larger and do the job in about 1/2 the time all while lasting at least twice as long and best of all they are simple to service possibly even by the owner., The SQ machines should still be going strong when all three kids are through college.

 

A really nice customer of ours on Capital Hill in DC had a 24" WP built top load 240 volt stack that was around 3-5 years old. It is a young couple with one child and he always hated this small machine with its limited washing and drying capacity. It was installed in a fairly large powder room on the first floor, it was selected because the door was only about 24" wide.

 

He said he would love a real washer-dryer like he remembered growing up in Michigan, so I suggested a full sized SQ stack in gas. We took them apart to deliver and passed them through a large window into the PR. He had a plumber run the gas and we installed the machines and needless to say they are always looking for laundry to wash even washing comforters for neighbors etc.

 

John L.

 

Bear in mind when comparing washer capacity is that there are at least two different measuring standards. There's the IEC method, which uses the volume of a top loader that would be required to wash a full load in a front loader. Then there's the DOE method, which measures the actual volume of the front loader drum.

Hope I got that right.

My own experience is that the Miele 1918 washer I have holds nearly as much laundry as the Neptune 7500 front load washer.

YMMV

 

My Miele w1986 will wash 100% cotton king-sized quilts no problem.  Comforters depends on the puffiness factor.  I just ran a load of 4 scrub jackets, 4 scrub tops, 4 Tshirts, 4 scrub pants, 4 masks, plus hubbies shorts and T shirts from the past 4 days and had room to spare.  There are only two of us, but we don't let laundry pile up except during my work stretch when I let all my uniforms accumulate to be done all at once.  My Asko is quite a bit smaller than the Miele but we never had any issues with its capacity either. 

 

 

 

I own a w3033 and a T1 heatpump dryer, and believe it or not I can fit the same amount of clothes as the Frigidaire (3.2 cf)
So, in the Frigidaire if I try to make a full load either everything will come out dirty or damaged. I called Frigidaire and the advice was not to load the washer more than 3/4 of the drum.

Now, the Miele. Ha.
I was able to fit a king size comforter. Not very thick but still king size which had a stain from my dog.
Everything came out clean without any issues.
Same comforter in the Frigidaire was a disaster. The machine was not able to balance.

So here're my thoughts.
W1 is bigger than w3033 so you should be fine.
A FULL load of towels will take about 1 hour to wash and about 1hour + to dry
A FULL load in w3033 is 7 bath towels, wash clothes kitchen towels and more.
You can fill up the drum , push the clothes and add more. Miele advices that you should have enough space to place your fist on the top of the clothes.

We're a family of 2 with 2 dogs and an airbnb rental, doing about 5 loads a week and we're just fine.

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Um, I said the Miele 1918 holds NEARLY as much as the Neptune.

 

Not the same amount.

 

The Neptune holds more. How much more? I dunno.

 

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When it come to comparing washer capacities, it may be important to know how they are being measured.

 

In terms of volume, the IEC and DOE standards are different. As far as I can determine, the IEC standard measures the capacity of a front loader based on what size top loader with agitator would be required to wash the same load. The DOE standard is more of a direct representation of the actual volume of the front loader drum. Things get complicated further when one considers that a tilted drum (common in many larger machines) will effectively wash less volume than a drum that is not tilted.

 

AFAIK, the actual size of the Neptune drum is about 2.9 cu ft. But, since the drum is tilted back, the effective volume may be less.

 

Complicating all this is that the Europeans tend to measure washer capacity not by volume, but by weight. So it gets even more obscure when it comes to comparing A to B.

 

YMMV

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You can add an extra rinse to most cycles. Standard number of rinsed are two, some cycles will rinse three times. All of the W1 washers should have the option to increase the water level during the rinse to one or two inches up the door glass ("Maximum Water Level").

 

 

Answer is "no" or at least very rarely to go on sale or special. Dealers are kept on a very tight lead price wise.

As you can see here, prices are pretty even across the board.

www.google.com/searchQUES...

That being said there are other ways skin a cat.

There are Miele washers and dryers on FleaPay, Letgo, Offer up, etc.. including the latest W1 and T1 models. Myself passed up a nearly new T1 drying going for $400 on fleaPay not long ago. Apparently owners weren't happy with the thing and just wanted it gone.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.htmlQUESTIONM...

 

The cottons cycle on the W1918 has four rinses. Perm Press and Delicates cycles have three rinses. Woolens cycle has 2 rinses.

Next time I accumulate a full load of bath sheets for the Neptune (five bath sheets), I'll take it over to the Miele W1918 and see how many can fit. Six bath sheets can fit into the Neptune but it has difficulty spinning them. So I stick with five max.

 

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Amazon does carry them but I don't know how well they work.  I suspect they would work the same but you'd likely have to play with the amount that gets dosed each time.  It's odd because I don't see them on the Miele website but according to Amazon they are by Miele.

 

Amazon reads like they would ship them to the US but its hard to say for sure. 

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IIRC, it was previously discussed on AW that those universal cartridges do not work/fit on the USA version of the W1.

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Thank you for that.  I didn't realize they wouldn't fit.

 

 

People have refilled the used cartridges, from what I've read. The thing is that the washer will pull detergent from both cartridges, regardless of the "whites" or "colors' setting. Depending on the setting, a certain percentage of Phase1 and Phase2 is drawn into the drum. If you refill it with regular detergent, I would imagine you'd have to experiment a lot to get the washer to dose the right amount (since both cartridges are activated).

Hendrik, do you have any idea how to get the correct dosage without being able to deactivate one cartridge, like it's possible in... everywhere but the US?

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Someone who once posted on AW purchased a new Miele W1 and T1 set went out and had those empty cartridges sent from Europe. Only to find out they didn't work with washers sold in by Miele in North America. That is why you don't see them on website on this side of pond.

Never under estimate how Miele will ding North American customers, which again explains why so many won't touch their products with a barge pole.

After spending nearly two or more grand for a washing machine Miele is going to quibble about keeping customers on the hook to purchase standard refill cartridges only.

 

 

One can adjust dosage for both "1" and "2" cartridges to suit. Thus if using any other product instead of Miele UltraPhase would easily be able to get dosage for one or both where needed.

www.coolblue.nl/en/advice...

forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/...

www.houzz.com/discussions/570335...

Problem with American liquid detergents is they are most always overly generously dosed by directions, far in excess of what is needed for 5kg - 8kg front loaders that are very stingy with water.

Persil Pro 2in1 liquid suggests 54ml for a "regular" load (what exactly is that?), but am here to tell you even 35ml is too much for an average 5kg load in my older water hog Miele W1070. That amount of detergent in the newer Lavamat would cause all sorts of problems.

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Hi Launderess, Detergent recomdations are based on water hardness of around 7-9 grains of hardness by most detergent manufactures, I believe where you live water is much softer.

 

Whenever someone is discussing detergents for DWs, or Laundry it is always helpful to disclose your water conditions, wash water temperature etc, otherwise ones experiences are about useless.

 

John L. 

 

 

I usually titrate the detergent by monitoring the suds level. Often for stuff like bath towels I'll wait until the tub fills and then check and see if there are any suds. Then add less detergent than recommended and monitor again. And quite often more suds will show up later in the wash cycle, sometimes even in the rinse cycles. Adding less that recommended is often the best strategy. Especially for front loaders.

Also use vinegar in the fabric softener compartment for items I want to stay absorbent (like towels).

 

My question is: if your detergent calls for 42 ml per load, would you set both cartridges to 42 ml and the machine takes 22 from each (on "whites')? Or would it take 42 from both?

Well, I guess it would be easy enough to tell from the suds level...

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Tom,  It looks like you can accept the preset or adjust to your preference.

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Yes I know that, and you know that; but Henkel/Dial makes no mention of water hardness when dosing Persil. Just "regular" or "large/heavily soiled" loads (about 75 ml).

In fact looking bottles of Tide and few other modern detergents in my collection none of them mention water hardness. Vintage products are another matter.

My point is the average consumer will go by what is on label, not necessarily factoring in water hardness.

Ironically my German Henkel Persil gel recommends 53ml for "soft" water and light soil, along with 73ml for hard water. Dosages go up from there based upon soil level (normal, heavy and extra heavy) and or soft water. Extra heavy soil in soft water suggested dose is a whopping 155ml, and 175ml for hard. My machines would choke to death on the froth.

Happily learned years ago to ignore dosage directions for European laundry detergents, especially from Germany. Most water on that side of pond even when "soft" is still harder that what I've got coming out of taps.

 

Whatever recommended detergent dosage would be the range one would set the UltraPhase one to I reckon. That is (depending upon variables) if detergent dosage was 42ml, something around that number.

Ultraphase 2 is a bleach, so one would have to decide what product to used instead (if subsituting) or just go with Miele's presets if using their product.

Miele uses less oxygen bleach for colored loads which is natural to protect from damage that any bleach can cause to colors.

 

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OK, remember that I stated I could fit five bath sheets in the Neptune 7500. Actually six will squeeze in, but it's been my experience that the Neptune has problems with that load, repeatedly trying and failing to do a final spin, so I've had to limit it to five bath sheets per load.

Today I tried washing same bath sheets in the Miele W1918. It is described in the technical manual as having a 5 kg load capacity (11 lb). I was able to fit in four bath sheets in the W1918. The last one was sort of a tight squeeze; I didn't even try to load a fifth bath sheet into it (bath sheets are basically oversize bath towels). The Miele W1918 didn't complain at all about this load, although I didn't witness the final spin. The towels seemed to come out relatively devoid of excess moisture.

For comparison, I weighed what four and five such bath sheets come to:

Four bath sheets: 10.6 lb, or about 4.8 kg 7.5 lb, or about 3.4 kg

Five bath sheets: 12.4 lb, or about 5.6 kg 9.5 lb, or about  4.3 kg

 

(The corrections are needed because I forgot to subtract the weight of the laundry basket... duh... plus the electronic scale I was using would only register weight if I stood on it holding the hamper plus towels. I will spare you further details on that. Plus, the Neptune can fit six bath sheets, it just can't handle balancing that load for the spin too well. I think part of that problem, in addition to the Neptune suspension, may be related to the relatively huge paddles inside the Neptune, which may interfere with the even distribution of a load of large items like bath sheets. The Miele has much smaller paddles or fins, and thus may be more adept at that task.)
 
Clearly five bath sheets would be beyond within the W1918's load capacity of 5 kg. And, by this empirical method, the load capacity of the Neptune 7500 is about 6 5 kg. Similar (not) to the W1926, W1986, and perhaps some later Miele models. I *could* maybe have squeezed a fifth bath sheet into the W1918; I just didn't want to stress out the door etc. Evidently towels, being fluffy, take up more space, than, say, plain cotton fabrics of same weight.

I did some googling of other current Miele models... and it's a bewildering array. The same model number, W1, can have multiple versions. Then there are the Amazon listings that apparently can only be shipped to Israel (?). And then there's the lack of specs on highest temperatures reached, sometimes no info on voltage or spin speeds either. The 1918 may be a bit of a runt, but it's an honest machine with no nonsense controls and tech info. Oh well, my Neptune and 1918 are really all I need.

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Tomdawg,

 

Please scroll back up. I had to correct my weight calcs - forgot to subtract the weight of the hamper (duh).

 

Personally don't think one can go wrong with a 220 volt Miele with a 2.5 cu ft or larger capacity. Even the 1918 at 2 cu ft is a very capable machine.

 

Sorry to hear of your Neptune's demise. Bearings can be replaced, but it might take some special tools. I don't know. Did you use chlorine bleach, by any chance?

 

 

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Is a poor reproduction compared to Europe.

All parts come from Germany by way of Princeton, NJ. If your Miele appliance requires a part and tech does not have it on his truck or in stash, then he will have to order it from New Jersey. Heaven help you if the part is not in stock there, because it must come from Germany.

Miele's service basically goes like this:

You call Miele and explain the issue. They will tell you "no, it cannot be doing that". If you insist it is they will respond "what did you do to the machine?", and or insinuation or outright statement that you are doing something wrong. For washing machines Miele will say you've used too much of or the wrong kind of detergent...

So in end Miele will schedule a call out for tech to inspect appliance. This can be anywhere from one, two or more weeks out. Meanwhile your appliance is still broken..... Call out charge is steep; about $200 or more IIRC (it has been several years since have had them out), but that amount is credited towards repairs if necessary.

On appointed day (hopefully if tech does not reschedule), Miele will arrive, then either lo and behold yes, your appliance is doing what you said, or the error/issue won't occur while tech is there. Either way he may run some diagnostics and if an issue is found, or to correct will schedule another appointment to return with part and fix. Again you now may have not had a properly working appliance for a few or several weeks, and now you'll be waiting longer still before Miele returns.

If the issue is simple and can be fixed within time frame of first call out, you may luck out. You see Miele schedules their techs for first time call out mainly to diagnose. They are kept on a tight lead in terms of schedule, and if they have another call afterwards for service or whatever, they must leave in time to arrive at next call as scheduled.

Meanwhile if tech has the part in his stash (assuming one is needed) he will bring it at next call. If it must come from warehouse there is a good chance it will be sent directly to you and await installation.

Cannot stress enough that Miele techs are on tight schedule; if they cannot determine what is wrong with your appliance within time frame of first call out, they likely will have to return.

Finally maybe a month or so later appliance will be fixed (hopefully), you'll be out of pocket $$$$, and all is right with world.

No, Miele does not have enough service techs. They are in same boat as others trying to find, hire, train and retain competent people. Because nearly everything about Miele is proprietary many independent repair persons don't want anything to do with them. There are some former Miele techs who have gone out on their own, and they can be a good resource.

Myself and others have had extensive dealings with Miele USA (you can search archives for various threads), with various results.

Thing is usually in the end your appliance will be repaired, or if under warranty and cannot likely replaced. However it can be a very long time between first reaching out to Miele and things finally going right. So unless you have a back-up appliance at the ready, you'll be larded with a very expensive brick until thing is serviced.

Thing is in Europe Miele parts can be found literally off the shelf like Whirlpool or Kenmore are here in the states. Also most repair persons are familiar with a wide range of machines, (Miele, Bosch, AEG, etc...) so you aren't just stuck with using Miele's service.

Also there is a lively and strong DIY appliance repair tradition all over Europe. You can find tons of videos on YouTube of people who have done their own repairs on Miele and other European laundry appliances.

All this being said a brand new Miele washer and dryer should work out of the box trouble free. Anyone can make a few lemons and someone is going to get stuck with those appliances.

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Hi everyone,

I got the algorithm of the Miele TwinDos system. I have put the formula into a spreadsheet which gives you the total dose of detergent dispensed depending on three factors: Laundry colour, soil level and load size.
I have attached an example of what a 50% (4kg) coloured load with light soil option dispenses of Ultra Phase 1 and 2.

If you do a white load with the same load size and soil level then the amount of UP2 would be 22.4 ml.

Based on this, one bottle of UP1 would last 67 loads and UP2 would last 136 loads.

When I got my Miele W1, the first thing I did was to go to the settings and default the soil level to light. Just by doing this, the amount of detergent dispensed is reduced by 30%. I have never had a suds problem with my machine.

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Is the Speed Queen, When you stack regular FL washer like LG, SS, WP, MT etc they are unserviceable without disconnecting the dryer and having two people move it out of the pantry, likewise the dryers are a PITA to service whether on top the washer or not.

 

If the lack of a water heater in the SQ brothers you it is easy to add a 4 gallon electric water heater to the cold water inlet and turn it on 15 minutes before starting a load and turn it off as you start the washer, you sound like you are clever enough to add a BI heater as well, SQ makes all the parts as they sell lots of their FL machines with a heater all over the world.

 

SQs are built for easy service, you can change the dryer motor in less than 1/2 hour, the gas burner is fully assessable without taking the top off the dryer, then the front off and the drum out as on the LG. On the SQ just two screws removes the dryers lower front and repairs and adjustments are easy because you can run the machine with the cover off.

 

The SQ washer is also simple to work on, clearing the pump protecter or even replacing the 80 watt drain pump only takes 10-15 minutes on most including the LG you are looking at at least an hour.

 

And most of all do you really want to buy a Chinese machine that is just a copy of a WP ?, the dryer is such a close copy that many parts interchange with WP parts.

 

SQ also comes with a real 5 year warranty, and SQ will send you parts durning the warranty if you want to do your own repairs.

 

Of the nearly 100 of these SQ stacks we have sold over the last decade or so I have never had anyone that did not love it, quite a few have bought another for a second home or for their kids.

 

John L.

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Tomdawg,

 

I have NEVER used chlorine bleach in my Neptune 7500. And it's been running trouble free for 20 years, outside of a service call after about 3 years to replace the cracked spider - under extended warranty. And then I *think* the tech also replaced the LCD display screen even though I wasn't complaining about it.

 

It may be coincidental, but my theory is that chlorine bleach does a number on front loader washer bearings. There's a reason why Miele insists that it never be used in their washers (at least in the 1900 series). Occasionally I will use an oxygen bleach, and at 130F that's really all I've ever needed.

 

 

 

I had a Bosch Axxis+ machine I bought in 2002.  I remember it was odd there was no bleach dispenser.  Turns out Bosch doesn't want you to use bleach in their machines either.  It's in a few places in the User Manual.

 

That's when I started using Oxi Clean instead and haven't used bleach since. 

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Bosch used to have something in warranty or owners manual saying use of chlorine bleach would void any warranty. This was when they first were breaking into USA market, not sure when that ended.

As for fumes, unless Bosch washers are made from some metal or other substance that reacts with chlorine bleach, don't see how fumes can form. Well unless one is mixing things with said bleach that one shouldn't like ammonia.

Miele tech told me years ago that using chlorine bleach now and then wouldn't hurt their machines. This was about older units (before 12xx series), so not sure how that works today.

Indeed another tech said if machine developed a pong that couldn't be shifted otherwise, to run a wash with some LCB. Just make sure machine ran complete cycle with several rinses afterwards.

In general no, chlorine bleach isn't best thing for stainless steel IIRC, but commercial/industrial and laundromat washers use chlorine bleach all the time.

 

 

I remember when I bought mine the salesman told me bleach would void the warranty when I asked why there was no bleach dispenser.  He said it was bad for the stainless steel.  I don't see anything in the user guide under warranty about the bleach.

 

 

 

Well, the official operating instructions for the W1918 is unequivocal: "Do Not Add Chlorine Bleach!" it says in the section about adding detergent. It also states, in the "Economy" section, "Miele recommends the use of powdered detergents, as their characteristics allow them to perform better in this machine than liquid detergents."

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Well they would wouldn't they? European washing machines sold then still emphasized the virtues of long profile washes (even at hot to boil temps) using detergents containing oxygen bleach.

 

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The European W1 models also have an option for Chlorine Bleach. It's hidden in the technician's menu.

Here's a screenshot from a YouTube video where you can briefly see it.

 

I think at the time the Miele Novatronic line was produced, liquid detergents were generally high sudsing, even those labeled "HE". I bought some along the way that said "HE Compatible", which mean they were too high sudsing, IMHO.

 

I believe I've read the other objection on the part of Miele back then was that liquid detergents didn't have enough water softening ability, nor did they have oxygen bleach.

 

YMMV

 

 

When Tide HE liquid first came out received a small sample. Packet stated contained enough for one wash so in it all went (am an idiot aren't I?).

This was with my first front loader (Malber) and sat sitting in front of machine watching froth build up the port hole. It kept on building until coming out of machine.... Stopped washer and rang up service man who advised pouring some type of oil (I used Wesson) into about a quart or so of water, then pouring down dispenser drawer into washer. That did trick in killing suds so that was that, and never again.

Was off Tide (HE or not) for ages until Tide Cold water free, and Free/gentle came out. By then it seemed P&G had gotten their act together in regards to liquid detergents and front loaders.

 

I found a big jug of Persil liquid at Costco one day and used that for months. Then it ran out... and I couldn't find it any more. So I finally got a big jug of Tide liquid - this winter - and in combination with a Tbs of STPP it works fine. With ANY detergent you have to titrate it by suds level, so I always add less than recommended to start off with. And, duh, the soil level, type of laundry load, and machine design makes a HUGE difference in suds level. This is why I don't buy pods or tablets etc as if one size fits all. It simply doesn't.

 

Like I said, early claimed HE liquid detergents, in my experience, were mostly too high sudsing. The industry appears to have improved on that since then.

 

Today's key word, boys and girls, is:

 

 

TITRATE

 

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Tide turbo pods work fine for us with soft water.  Even a very large load of outdoor work clothes with 2 pods won't over suds.

 

Neptune vs. Miele update

 

A while ago I mentioned that the Miele 1918 was able to handle four bath sheets, while the Neptune 7500 could handle five such. Actually one can easily fit six bath sheets in the Neptune, but it has so much trouble balancing that load that it usually winds up doing a lower speed final spin which sort of defeats the purpose. And as the Neptune is just a hop skip and a jump from my office setup, I get tired of listening to the poor Neptune spinning, stopping, banging, and trying to drain repeatedly before it finally manages an anemic low speed final spin. It does not have that problem with five bath sheets.

 

Today I decided to tickle the tiger and stuffed five bath sheets into the W1918. The last one was a bit of a squeeze, but they all fit, once I rotated the drum and found the last bit of space for the fifth bath sheet. The cycle ran just fine, although there wasn't quite as much of a drop as is optimal. But the bath sheets came out quite clean. I used Persil Megaperls detergent for them this time. Have to see if I can get some more of that.

 

So, yeah, the Miele can handle just about as much as the Neptune. The Neptune isn't going anywhere, but it's interesting how two quite different front loaders handle the same load.

 

And the moral of the story is that there`s so much more to consider than drum volume or ratings by dry weight to make washers capacity comparable ;-)

 

Hello there,
I believe it would keep up just fine for a family of 5-6. It holds more than my mother’s Maytag which claims to hold 18 lbs. The new Miele w1 hold 18 lbs that can easily do a queen comforter or a king duvet while doing the best wash of your life. I do laundry for my husband , myself and three dogs.(8 loads) I also do about 12 loads a week for my wash and fold . With this being my second Miele washer, they made them better. Average wash for me is 1:10min on hot plus regular. I enjoy the versatile dispenser that I use to add my washing booster. I usually don’t need softer. The base model is $1199 worth every penny. This machine has everything a person requires to do fabulous laundry. They will outlive many of the plastic giants many brands sell. This machine is quality the others aspire to. My previous Miele was 20 .

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First of all I am not knocking 24" Miele FL Washers, they are Very Good Machines, very capable and well built.

 

And they are large enough for large American families, they will wash as large a load as any [ real ] DC Maytag ever did [ note MT never claimed that the large DC washer would wash 18 pounds of clothing ] and it won't , they will wash 8-12 pounds.

 

The stumbling block with a Miele pair is the dryer, it is 1/2 the size and power of a typical US dryer, this is also true of the millions of 24" US built dryers that we have and still build and sell in this country. These smaller dryers cannot dry more than 6-10 pounds of clothing and even at that it is slow and wrinkled when done.

 

The picture below is a load I washed last week in a GE TL washer with a dual-action agitator, it was a maximum load for this washer. It was dried in about 1 hour in a 7CF WP gas dryer.

 

It is 12 mostly large bath towels, the dry weight is 13 1/2 pounds, this load will not fit in any 24" washer or dryer ever built anywhere and wash and dry properly.

 

John L.

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I have a W1 powerwash 2 washer and it is said to hold 9kg dry weight on the cottons cycle. Now when I wash the bathroom set that consists of 2 bath sheets 2 hand towels a large bathmat a toilet mat and face cloth it washes it perfect and always spins at its said speed of 1600 rpm I used to struggle getting it dry in the AEG heatpump it could take hours as the mats are very thick, Well since managing to get a Huebsch gas dryer of the USA variety I don't have any bother getting any size load dry the gas dryer which by the way are very rare for domestic use and with thanks to John L for getting me a new lint screen as I could not find one that fitted, and putting a new drum seal on its as good as new and even though its 26 years old its quiet and fast I am so impressed its ace I hope to keep it going for another 20 years at least -:)

Austin

 

Today I washed 12 pounds of towels in my 4.3 cu. ft. Duet.  Consisted of 8 towels, 8 wash cloths, and 4 hand towels.  Two of the towels are bigger than 30 x 60" but not quite bath sheet size.  (I got those two sets of towels at Target several years ago).  There was enough room I could have probably got another set of towels in the load if I had ones that would go with this load.  I'd say the load's volume was between 3/4 and 7/8 full volume-wise.  I also washed my two queen size sheet sets.  They weighed 10.5 lbs.  

 

Interesting Bob! I did a bit of a conversion. 12 pounds is 5.44 kilo. Your drum is almost 122 liters in volume. In comparison my Siemens washing machine has a 60 liters drum or at least thereabout. The rated capacity is 8kg, but I'm sure I wouldn't be able to get the full 8kg into it. But pretty close I'm sure. Comparing your machine and mine and looking at the weight of the load, it looks like there could be way more laundry put in your machine than you did.

Approaching it from another angle, a drum of 122 liters should be able to hold 12kg according to old fashioned standards. The norm used to be 10 liters of volume gives space for 1 kg of laundry.

Your other load was 10.5 pounds. That is 4.76 kg. Those two loads combined are 10,2 kg. In theory both loads could have fitted in the drum together. In theory, I don't know how thick the towels are, but if they are not too thick, you should still have left room for a clenched fist at the top of the filled drum.

 

Luigi, thank you for taking the time to do the comparison.  I'm not sure the washer could have ever been able to balance with 2 sets of sheets as well as towels. (wash cloths and hand towels can end up in the pockets of the fitted sheets and that creates havoc) As for the load of towels, yes it could have held some more, but I didn't have anything else that could go in that load.  Bear in mind, the two sets of towels from Target are the newest ones in the load.  Two other sets of towels are from 1985 and the other 4 sets are from 1987 to 1989.  When fall comes, I switch towels to darker colors and I have more of them that will really fill up the machine.  I'll do a follow-up for sure!!!

 

My washer adjusts the wash time based upon weight of the load.  With the sheets, the detergent Precision Dispense injected 5 times and added 8 minutes to the wash time.  For the load of towels, it injected detergent 11 times during fill and wash time increased by 22 minutes.  

 

Also, the towel load never did balance itself for the final spin and ended up ending the cycle.   That's probably only the 5th time in the almost 9 years I've had the machine.  And this load gets washed regularly.  I didn't load the towels according to instructions--large items first.  This time I just haphazardly loaded all the items.   

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I'm not sure why it would matter to load the large items first. At the end of the cycle things have tumbled so much that they are mixed up, but that is just my idea.

I guess you need more towels! lol

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If it at all can be helped fitted sheets are only laundered with linens only wash loads. Even then pillow slips often still end up bunched inside the things causing problems.

Thankfully only own a handful of fitted sheets. We keep to the old ways using flat sheets and mitered corners for bottom.

Spend time in nursing school or on the floors and you learn a few things about bed making. *LOL*

 

I miss hospital corners....all our hospitals now have fitted sheets!  But I can still make a pretty mitered corner tuck in a second.

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Don't know what these nursing schools teach nowadays, but what once were called "nursing arts" seem to be long gone. Bed making, bathing, etc... all quite forgotten.

As for fitted sheets, believe some of that push may have been in aid of reducing laundry costs. Fitted sheets are just tumble dried and folded; they rarely can be put through mangles.

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I have siblings in CNA programs and nursing school. Bed making and bathing are not just taught but are covered by comprehensive examination like all the other material. In fact, due to covid 19, one sibling’s bed making examination was performed over video conferencing with their examiners just a few weeks ago. Not sure where this “quite forgotten” comment originated.

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Perhaps we need a separate thread for the discussion of the pros and cons of hospital corners?

 

Then you all could post step by step instructions with photos (hopefully right side up) of the process.

 

Maybe even a video or ten.

 

 

 

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I will say that the brand new nurses who have started working with me now certainly don't do things the way we were taught 20+ years ago.  Things normally done now would have been considered unprofessional back then!