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Post# 258763   1/9/2008 at 05:04 (5,952 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        

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Well folks, it looks like we will be getting a new large top loader soon to stand alongside the twinnie, you see the other day we tried to wash our curtains however they were just too heavy for the twinnie to handle and luckily one of our neighbours was able to help us out,so my sister and I have decided that we need a larger machine just for when we want to wash large blankets and curtains.
Now during our discussion she has made it clear that she does not like the traditional agitator(previous Whirlpool turned her off you see),but she does like the pulsator action of the twinnie so that is what she would like in a large automatic,so that rules out Simpson,Westinghouse,F&P,now here are the models we are looking at:
1.L.G.-WF-T857 8.5kg capacity.
2.Samsung-SW81ASP 8kg capacity.
3.Hitachi-SFP90DJ-9kg capacity.
We also looked at the Haier double drive but it is out of the price range.
Sister dear is taken by the L.G.(looks cute) however I am annoyed by that stupid Punch+3 Pulsator those whirlygigs look pretty but I don't believe they really do much.
I quite like the Samsung. as it is all solid steel and it has a mini-agitator which looks like a slightly raised pulsator(similar the the F&P Aquasmart),and the Hitachi seems difficult to find (as is the Samsung actually).
Isn't it great fun looking around the shops and scouring the internet looking at what is available!!.
Any advice or tips would be much appreciated.
Cheers folks.
Steve





Post# 258830 , Reply# 1   1/9/2008 at 14:00 (5,952 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Steve,

My only comment would be, that the wash action in a Westinghouse, Simpson, F&P is nothing like a Whirlpool and much more like the impellor in the twin tub, just with a centre post.

Large items like sheets, curtains etc, will rope up badly in a very large tub without a centre post. My pick would be one of the 3 you've discounted, a) due to performance and b) to support our local ecconomy whilst it still exists.


Post# 258892 , Reply# 2   1/9/2008 at 18:17 (5,952 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
Brisnat...

...I second that. Excellent advice.

Cheers

rapunzel


Post# 259167 , Reply# 3   1/10/2008 at 22:40 (5,951 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        
Me three!

If we are going to buy a top loader it should be one of the locals.

Impellers are fine in twin tubs and small machines but less effective in a large machine. Simpson and Westinghouse have the same action but the centre post means that action carries through the whole tub and keeps clothes from rolling over each other and into a rope! Yet we have been brainwashed by clever marketing from people like LG into thinking that agitators are terrible clothes eating monsters. LG has flooded the market with cheap and gimmicky machines that look fancy and flash in the store and have decimated the market for Simpson and Westinghouse and F and P more than the front loader has.

I think that is a shame.


Post# 259168 , Reply# 4   1/10/2008 at 22:57 (5,951 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Have to Agree

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I have to agree with Nathan, Rapunzel and Ash here too.

You will get a greater life expectancy out of the locals than the ones you mentioned as well.

I don't particularly like my DD Whirlpool either and when i replace that, it will probably be for a F & P Aquasmart as a daily driver.

Leon


Post# 259356 , Reply# 5   1/11/2008 at 22:06 (5,950 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        
Many thanks guys

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Many thanks for the advice guys, it has been duly noted and actually I tend to agree, but have you ever hit your head against a brick wall?,actually I do quite like the Westinghouse with the see through lid,but at the moment she won't budge,interestingly a neighbour's daughter has just bought the above mentioned L.G. model., so I am going to wait a little bit and get some feedback from them.
Arrrooohhh,I think you make a good point there, after all we have had traditional agitator machines for years and years although I believe front loader makers have demonised them more so then L.G.and others.
Leon,I am actually a bit wary of the Aquasmart,I have heard that it is quite overrated especially on a site called productreview.com.au(of which I am registered)and many owners seem very unhappy with them,also I do know several people myself who own standard F&P's and scream blue murder about them.
If you take a look there you will see several Maytags come in for a real shellacking,(you will also find me there giving a rap to the Haier twinnie).
Thanks again guys.
Steve.


Post# 259362 , Reply# 6   1/12/2008 at 00:52 (5,949 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Will agree twin tubs like the Hoover, simply cannot cope with large items very well. Have found while one large bed sheet is fine if properly loaded, heavy duvet covers or blankets can be a huge pain in the rear. If one had the space would look for a small agitator machine as well, for use when want faster washes with large items than with the Miele.

Best of luck in your search!

L.


Post# 259874 , Reply# 7   1/14/2008 at 20:02 (5,947 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        
Product Review website.

I have looked at these websites and I honestly dont think they are that useful. People only have either glowing reviews or terrible ones, which really is what you would expect. If you are happy with something you just carry on using it as normal. But if you are unhappy with something you look for every forum to vent your unhappiness. Plus I have noticed that sometimes people who are dissappointed with a machine have posted descriptions that dont exactly match the actually machine description, so probably people think that all Maytags or whatever brand are the same and then post their rant at the first machine shown, or what ever. What do others think?

I also dont think that front loading advertising has demonised the agitator so much, as front loaders are trying to promote their benefits over all toploaders. But in Simpson advertising they promote their agitator as being superior so obviously the impeller promotion has hurt them.

Have you made a decision yet? Do let us know. The other benefit of Simpson/Westinghouse/FandP is they use much less water. Some of those large impeller machines can do five deep rinses! Yikes.


Post# 259950 , Reply# 8   1/15/2008 at 03:09 (5,946 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        
No decision yet

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Hi Arrrooohhh,
thanks for your info no decision yet but I certainly will post here when we do.
Actually last Sunday I spent the morning having a look around and ended up in a Bing Lee store when a saleslady approached and asked if I needed help I decided to act dumb and asked if she could explain the difference between the 8.5kg L.G. and the 9.5kg Simpson and you won't believe what she told me she said that the Simpson's are very rough on the clothes as the agitator WRENCHES!! the clothes around and the L.G. is as gentle as a lamb on the clothes as the little whirlygigs on the main pulsator move the load around in different directions to stop tangling!!!
She also showed me the Hitachi 9kg which I must admit was a bit impressive and made me a good offer as a matter of fact $799 down from $1059 as they are not stocking Hitachi any longer and it was a floor model.
I thanked her for her help and went and had a nice cup of coffee and cheesecake.
Just an afterthought on the agitaotr models if salespeople are telling shoppers this then it is no wonder why they are disappearing particularly for those shoppers who may not be aware that they are not clothes destroyers.
Cheers.
Steve.


Post# 260152 , Reply# 9   1/16/2008 at 01:11 (5,945 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Salespeople

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Steve,

Keep this in mind: There's every possibility the salesperson you spoke to at Bing Lee could be pushing the LG as they could be getting incentives from LG to do so....

When i priced up my DD Whirlpool, the saleswoman i spoke to did EVERYTHING in her power to steer me away from the Whirpool and into a SIMPSON!!!

My partner has an LG and often finds long sleeve shirts spread ACROSS the bowl during spin and now reverts to using garment bag.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 260317 , Reply# 10   1/16/2008 at 23:10 (5,945 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

I wonder when the Thai made Simpson/Westinghouses are introduced if they will have an agitator or an impeller?

What would be really cool is to see an impeller with a snap off post like Leons Wilkins Servis! Now not only would that be a fun machine to play with, but what would all the sales representatives say? LOL!

I do believe that LG have a real campaign to send representatives into stores to promote their products to sales staff.


Post# 260324 , Reply# 11   1/17/2008 at 02:59 (5,944 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        
Thai made Simpson/W/Houses

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Hi Arrrooohhh,
Do you when the Thai made Simpson/W/Houses are supposed to start coming in?,for what is is worth I think they will most likely have an impeller,although I do know that Haier had 2 top load models which actually have full-size agitators,one is a 5kg capacity and the other which is now discontinued was a 6.5kg.
Will the Asian Simpsons be made in their own factory or will they just get L.G. or Samsung to manufacture them and put a Simpson-W/House badge on them?
Arrrooohhh, I think it may have been you who posted elsewhere on here at one time that the Asian brands need funny gimmicks to promote their machines I do believe you are right here are the following features on some Asian machines which I find a bit funny:
1.L.G.-Punch+3Pulsator.
2.Haier-"Anti-bacterial agitator?"(discontinued 6.5kg T.L.)
3.Hitachi-:Jet Air Dry system(aflap on the lid which allows outside air to be sucked into the washbowl during spinning.)
4.Samsung-"Silver Nano antibacterial system on some models.)
If I were asked an opinion on which would be the better Asian manufacturers,my personal opinion would be:
1.Hitachi-(my late father had a small automatic Hitachi which lasted for 18 years no trouble.)
2.Haier-only due to the fact the twinnie has worked flawlessly for nearly 2 years.
3.Samsung-Their T.L.'s are at least made of solid metal and are not all plastic.
4.L.G.-a little bit too gimmicky.
What do you guys think?
Cheers .
Steve.




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