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How big is yours? Compare your drum size (FL only)
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Post# 271692   3/23/2008 at 18:06 (3,496 days old) by mrx ()        

I am just curious to know what the real drum size of the various front loader machines in Europe, the US/Canada and elsewhere is.

I'm particularly interested in the larger capacity 7kg+ European machines that fit the large drum into a standard cabinet.

Could you measure your drum in centimetres, getting the radius (diameter divided by 2) and the depth from the rim at the front to the back of the drum.

If you can do the calculations yourself, it's just Pi*R^2*H and convert to litres. Google will do this for you if you just type in convert X cubic cm to litres it will provide the answer.

Otherwise, just post the raw figures in cm into this thread and I'll calculate them.

Also, please include the Manufacturer's name, Model and Model number and year of purchase (if known)

Post# 271727 , Reply# 1   3/23/2008 at 19:31 (3,496 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

My 1993 Philco Agile 6 slim machine (40 cm depth) and rated 5kg of laundry has a drum deep 23 cm and of a radius of 23 cm.

This gives 0,23x0,23xPIx0,23 = 0,038 cubic metres... that is 38 litres. A little more than 7,5 litres per kg of clothes

Post# 271878 , Reply# 2   3/24/2008 at 14:28 (3,495 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

My 2006 model Miele W2888 5.5kg Machine has a drum that is 31cm deep and radius of 23.5cm.

This gives, 23.5*23.5*3.14*31 = 53756.015 ccm or 54L

That is roughly 9.8L per KG.

Post# 271883 , Reply# 3   3/24/2008 at 15:12 (3,495 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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1991 Miele W715

22*22*3.14*31=47L which makes around 9.4L per KG.

Post# 271956 , Reply# 4   3/24/2008 at 22:35 (3,494 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        

Frigidaire 2140, billed as "3.5 cubic feet" capacity:

Radius: 11 inches or 28 cm

Depth: 13 inches or 33 cm

Volume: 81279 cubic cm (ml) or 81.28 liters.

US washers don't come with a kg capacity rating. Frigidaires have the largest capacity drum sold with a "standard" US footprint of 27 x 27 inches x 36 tall, but they won't fit under a kitchen counter as European models do. However, most homes under 50 years old in this country have laundry areas (laundry room, or a space in the basement or garage) built to these specifications, so fit is generally not a problem unless you are trying to place machines in an area for which they were not originally intended (say, a closet). Larger capacity machines, i.e. LG or Duet, achieve the larger capacity, up to 4.0 cubic feet, by making the machines deeper and taller.

I found an online volume converter

which says 82 liters is only 2.9 cubic feet, so I wonder if the advertised capacity is the volume of the outer tub and not the perforated drum?

Post# 271974 , Reply# 5   3/25/2008 at 05:53 (3,494 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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...or maybe includes the sump area UNDER the cylinder?

Post# 271981 , Reply# 6   3/25/2008 at 07:14 (3,494 days old) by mrx ()        
Hotpoint Aqualtis AQGD 169 S

Drum internal dimensions:

Radius = 24.5cm
Depth of drum to rim to flat part of back = 37cm

Volume in Litres : 69.77 Litres.

Rated volume = 8kg

8.72 KG of laundry per Litre capacity.

Post# 271982 , Reply# 7   3/25/2008 at 07:15 (3,494 days old) by mrx ()        

Sorry should have read : 8.72 L per KG !!

Post# 272030 , Reply# 8   3/25/2008 at 11:18 (3,494 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        

When I measured the depth, I didn't measure to the outer rim, but to where the opening begins (on the inside the inside of the opening), in other words the depth of the cylinder measured from the straight edge of the cylinder where there is no opening. If I measure from the flat part in back to the outer rim of the opening, it's 15 inches or 38 cm. This would bring the calculated volume to 3.34 cubic feet or 93.60 liters, which is closer to the advertised capacity. I guess it depends on how your define it.

Post# 272032 , Reply# 9   3/25/2008 at 11:25 (3,494 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
kg to volume conversion

It seems as if most people are coming up with an average of 8-9 liters per rated kg of capacity. If my machine has a volume of about 90 liters, would it be fair to say the capacity is about 10 kgs? I mean for comparison when someone in Europe asks you about the size of your machine.

Regarding the new oversized (4.0 cu ft) Miele, LG, and Bosch machines, are they sold in Europe? Does anyone know what their advertised capacities are? These machines generally are 70 cm (27 in) wide, to take advantage of American sized washer spaces, but they are deeper and taller than traditional American machines, so if someone has a laundry closet or a small laundry room, the larger size may not always work. Frigidaire's size is a plus in that it fits in the traditional 27 x 27 inch footprint, and if you stack them, the top of the stack is 6 feet tall or 1.82 meters. If you try to stack the larger machines, the top will be 6 foot 8 inches or about 2.02 meters....a little tough to reach the dryer controls unless you are over 1.90 meters yourself.

Post# 272034 , Reply# 10   3/25/2008 at 11:38 (3,494 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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The history behind the 3.5 cubic feet rating of the frigidaire frontloaders is a bit different. It's the capacity in comparison to a traditional toploader including the space that an agitator takes. This is pure theoretical and has nothing to do with the real measures of the machine.

If you measure the size of the drum please measure the drum only and not the space in the rubber ring, that is not supposed to be used for tumbling the laundry.

Ideally is 10L per KG laundry. If it's much lower than that you will possibly never fit that amount of laundry in your machine.

Post# 272036 , Reply# 11   3/25/2008 at 11:47 (3,494 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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I overlooked the question about the big machines sold in Europe.

The übersized Miele is not sold on this side of the pond.

LG sells steamwashers here that have an 8KG capacity. In the past they sold the big frontloader with the back controls here and that one was rated for 10KG.

Bosch rates it's Logixx10 as a 10KG machine but it only has a 88 litres drum which is also tilted. So that is 8.8L per KG.

Post# 272040 , Reply# 12   3/25/2008 at 11:53 (3,494 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

Bauknecht also sells a washer in Germany that holds 12 kg!!

Post# 272054 , Reply# 13   3/25/2008 at 13:47 (3,494 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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If you are referring to the Bauknecht Big, that machine has a 10KG capacity according to the Bauknecht website. Unfortunately there is no information about the drumsize on the website.

Post# 272065 , Reply# 14   3/25/2008 at 14:51 (3,494 days old) by westyslantfront (Tucson, Arizona)        

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I have a Fridgemore by Electrolux which is 3.2 cubic feet.
It is a great machine once I adjusted the water level control to allow a proper amount of water in the tub.


Post# 272514 , Reply# 15   3/28/2008 at 02:52 (3,491 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
Bauknecht in USA (lavamat 78800)

Bauknecht makes the large Whirlpool Duet, KitchenAid Ensemble (no longer sold as KA, now it carries a Maytag label), and new Maytags. The largest models supposedly have 4.0 cubic feet drums. If we take your 12 kg number and multiply by 9 liters/kg that most people here have estimated, it comes to about 98 liters. LG also sells 4.0 cu ft/12 kg machines in USA.

My estimate for my 3.5 cu ft washer was about 83 liters and an estimate of 10- kg capacity (though machines in US are not sold these days with a weight capacity...I do recall seeing weight estimates for top loading machines until the mid 1990s). The Bauknecht machines are 15% larger (4.0 vs 3.5 cu ft) and thus the kg capacity would be about 12 kg, as you wrote.

These 4.0 cu ft/12 kg machines achieve their extra capacity by being deeper from front to back than a "standard" washer. In the US, a 27 x 27 inch (70 x 70 cm) was "standard" for many years with toploaders. Although standard footprint US size machines are larger than traditional European machines and would not fit under a counter in a kitchen (as in Europe), most laundry areas in US homes can accomodate such machines, even if the area is a closet with sliding or accordian doors. And of course if the laundry is in the basement or garage, there is usually more than enough room.

With the largest machines, the width remains at 27 inches/70 cm, but the depth increases to 31 inches (80 cm), which may not work in closet areas where the clearance between the sliding door and the front of the machine is not enough, since the closet was built assuming that all machines were 27 inches/70 cm deep. My sister's house has such a laundry area, and she would not be able to close the closet doors with a Bauknecht-built 12 kg machine (on the other hand, they really enjoy having the closet so close to all the bedrooms, so they stay with 27 x 27 machines and avoid the largest models).

Another application for which the largest machines are not as well suited is a stacking arrangement with washer and dryer. The "standard" height is 36 inches (90 cm), which is acceptable when stacked, with top of the stack (=dryer controls) at 72 inches or 180 cm. However, the LG and Bauknecht machines are 38-40 inches high, which when stacked can be 76-78 inches (194-198 cm) high...too high for a shorter person to use the controls comfortably (most people under maybe 176 cm height would not find it convenient, though a tall person might find it convenient!). I have seen the Duets in stacked arrangement in advertisements, but have never seen it in real life in anyone's house, they always seem to be placed side by side.

The Maytag Epic in the photo is Bauknecht built and is very similar to the previous Whirlpool Duet and KitchenAid Ensemble. Now that Maytag was bought by Whirlpool, they moved the Baucknecht machine to the Maytag line to try to restore Maytag's tarnished image (which used to be quite good until ten years ago).


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