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Post# 272507   3/27/2008 at 23:28 (3,493 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Well... Our crummy old unreliable Maytag finally died... Blue flash came from behind the control panel and we decided to get a new one... It has been repaired 3 times in the last year.

We went for the Fisher & Paykel AquaSmart WL80T65CW1... It is amazing...

Vids and pics will follow!!!





Post# 272508 , Reply# 1   3/27/2008 at 23:50 (3,493 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

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Congrats! My partner and I have had an Aqua Smart since last summer and totally love it. It outperforms our old HE3 by a long shot. I'll be posting a follow up on our F&P set this weekend, with all the "pros" and a few "cons."
Looking forward to your video.


Post# 272757 , Reply# 2   3/29/2008 at 06:19 (3,492 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Thanks for announcing a video before I asked for them myself and probably got banned from posting here!

:)


Post# 272758 , Reply# 3   3/29/2008 at 06:20 (3,492 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Also, is the WL80T65CW1 the one with the LCD Screnn or the one without it?

Post# 272989 , Reply# 4   3/30/2008 at 16:54 (3,491 days old) by shanonabc ()        

With the (cool may I add) LCD Screen and 8kg capacity... Videos will be posted on YouTube late tomorrow or the day after (Wednesday here)

Post# 273000 , Reply# 5   3/30/2008 at 17:48 (3,491 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Oh! It has an LCD screen?

Post# 273210 , Reply# 6   3/31/2008 at 22:25 (3,489 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Yes... And I have to say... It is unfair to expect videos to be posted... This will be my first video myself... But i don't beg...

Post# 273213 , Reply# 7   3/31/2008 at 22:30 (3,489 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
But hen again the latest ones were a tad shi*tty!

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Our crummy old unreliable Maytag finally died...

Actually a pic, of the old one If may be so bold, would be appreciated.


:-)


Post# 273223 , Reply# 8   3/31/2008 at 22:52 (3,489 days old) by shanonabc ()        

This one was a Dependable *cough cough* Care... About 15 years old...

Post# 273224 , Reply# 9   3/31/2008 at 22:53 (3,489 days old) by shanonabc ()        

No probs toggle... Tommorrow maybe!

Post# 273517 , Reply# 10   4/2/2008 at 19:30 (3,487 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Well this is the old one

Post# 273518 , Reply# 11   4/2/2008 at 19:31 (3,487 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Again

Post# 273519 , Reply# 12   4/2/2008 at 19:34 (3,487 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Control Dial

Post# 273520 , Reply# 13   4/2/2008 at 19:34 (3,487 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Wash Bowl

Post# 273521 , Reply# 14   4/2/2008 at 19:38 (3,487 days old) by shanonabc ()        

AquaSmart

Post# 273522 , Reply# 15   4/2/2008 at 19:39 (3,487 days old) by shanonabc ()        

AquaSmart

Post# 273524 , Reply# 16   4/2/2008 at 19:40 (3,487 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Screen

Post# 273525 , Reply# 17   4/2/2008 at 19:42 (3,487 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Welcome To AquaSmart

Post# 273527 , Reply# 18   4/2/2008 at 20:30 (3,487 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
So how's the new one?

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Thank you. Hard to believe that a Maytag of that engineering was a lemon. Were the Maytags in Autralia assembled on your continent or on mine?

I was under the impression that there were severe water shortages in parts of Australia--so to me I'd never expect to see a new top-loader.

Thanks for sharing!


Post# 273572 , Reply# 19   4/3/2008 at 06:33 (3,487 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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We went for the Fisher & Paykel AquaSmart WL80T65CW1... It is amazing...


"The only top loading washer that gives you the ability to wash in either conventional or high efficiency washing mode.High Efficiency mode allows you to wash in amounts of water similar to that of most front loaders."


AND SO IT IS!


CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch's LINK


Post# 273573 , Reply# 20   4/3/2008 at 06:38 (3,487 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Saving water

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Post# 273574 , Reply# 21   4/3/2008 at 06:41 (3,487 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
User Guide

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Post# 273603 , Reply# 22   4/3/2008 at 14:49 (3,487 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Shannon, Great looking machines, I do love the LCD display.

All of the Maytag and Whirlpool DD machines are full imports. Once Maytag owned Hoover, Hoover became the cheap washing machine brand and Maytag became the very expensive option. IE TOL Hoover $800, TOL Maytag $1400. Maytag has all but dissapeared from AU now, however the Whirlpool machines regularily retail in TOL form for $899. The Neptune Machines cost as much as a High end Miele.

Maytag has been in AU since 1980 or so and Whirlpool DD since 1991.

F&P developed that machine and got a 4star water consumption rating, thus it is eligble for a govt rebate when purchasing. There is some controversy about it getting the rating, as when the eco programming is turned off, its no better than any other top loading machine.

But good on F&P for trying to remain competitive. Apparantly the Refridgeration Plant here in Brisbane is laying off staff now, as 1/3 of their manufacturing goes to the US and due to the US recession, there has been a big dip in the purchase of the imported machines.

Apparantly the F&P Washer manufacturing has already left AU for the sunny shores of Thailand.


Post# 273639 , Reply# 23   4/3/2008 at 19:33 (3,486 days old) by funguy10 ()        

The Aquasmart is kind of a weird washing machine because it shows you a smiley face when you turn it on and tells you "Have a nice day." when the cycle is done.

Post# 273640 , Reply# 24   4/3/2008 at 19:42 (3,486 days old) by shanonabc ()        

The High Efficiency Option uses heaps less water and with it off is still decent... It still is more water efficient than our top loader... I too love the LCD screen... When washing it has a little animation showing what it is doing, The cycle title, it flashes through selected modifiers, time to go and a progress bar.

Our Maytag was manufactured in America... Not sure exactly where though... Its pump always got clogged with lint... Every 6 months we had to disassemble the control panel and replace a fuse otherwise it would not fill... Its drive system was consistently playing up... Often would start agitating slowly and only reach full speed after 3 loads of laundry...

Toggle.... As for another top-loader... From people I know about 8/10 people have NON high efficiency toploaders... AquaSmart along with the new Electrolux WaterAid are (to my knowledge) the only High Efficiency Top Loaders available in Australia... The only real top load tumbler was a KleenMaid (I believe made by Brandt). KleenMaid at the moment only have toploaders by Speed Queen and Frontloaders by Gorenje... Back to the point... High Efficiency Top Loaders are new to Australia... About a year old now I believe... people are still skeptical about them and from what I have found out would rather get a frontloader than a HE top...


Post# 273641 , Reply# 25   4/3/2008 at 19:43 (3,486 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Nope... When it turns on it says "Welcome To AquaSmart" and the AquaSmart Logo... When it is finished it says "Wash Finished. Have a nice day"... No smiley faces in sight.

Post# 273643 , Reply# 26   4/3/2008 at 19:50 (3,486 days old) by shanonabc ()        

With the controversy about water rating... i am thinking most people would not actually pick the cycle very much... I think that most people would just use regular (HE) and press start.... I personally sort laundry out and use the sheets cycle, hygiene cycle, duvet cycle, whites cycle, blanket cycle, coat cycle, whites cycle and regular cycle... I have found that Heavy Duty (HE) for towels works wonders...

As for the water rebate... I am not eligible... Cheap scabby country town with brown water oozing from the taps... That should also explain why we don't suds save...


Post# 273644 , Reply# 27   4/3/2008 at 20:01 (3,486 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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What's weird about that? My IWL12 has been doing that for three and one-half years. It has other cutesie icons for water level sensing, fabric sensing, wash, soak, rinse, and spin. And a bunch of menus for cycle selection, options, and diagnostics.

Video clip available for limited time: IWL12 Demo Screen (10.7 MB). I have no clue what is the phone-ringing noise in the clip.


Post# 273646 , Reply# 28   4/3/2008 at 20:05 (3,486 days old) by shanonabc ()        

I have a vid of the demo screen for aquasmart... will try to get it on youtube sometime with others...

Thanks 4 the vid Dadoes.

Anyone know how to get AquaSmart into Diagnostics?


Post# 273649 , Reply# 29   4/3/2008 at 20:34 (3,486 days old) by bestcleaning ()        
Saving water

Ah! In the last mouth Electrolux launched the new washer (full size) in Brazil with exactly the same way for re-use the wash water.

Post# 273651 , Reply# 30   4/3/2008 at 20:36 (3,486 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Sounds like you got a Lemon Maytag

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Shanon,

What kind of usage did your Maytag have on a day to day basis?

I bought my mother that very same model Maytag in 1994 and it's still going strong to this day...has only needed one service call and that was for a rusty lid. She washed for 4 people maybe twice a week and is probably doing more now with my sister and nephew living at home.

I will say the main flaw i found was the mistake Maytag Australia made by fitting electric pumps in place of the mechanical pumps which led to lots of "suds lock" depending on what detergent my mum used.

Sounds like you got a "monday" or "friday" model to me.

Congrats on the Aquasmart: considered one for myself.

Leon


Post# 273657 , Reply# 31   4/3/2008 at 21:05 (3,486 days old) by shanonabc ()        

We bought it in maybe 95??? Usually less than 8 loads a week...

Post# 273661 , Reply# 32   4/3/2008 at 21:11 (3,486 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Defintely Sounds like a problem one

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Defintely sounds like a problem one to me.

I have been told the pumps do fail on these on occasion.

Leon


Post# 273669 , Reply# 33   4/3/2008 at 21:36 (3,486 days old) by shanonabc ()        

The pump wasn't the main problem though... it was the drive system

Post# 273671 , Reply# 34   4/3/2008 at 21:47 (3,486 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Again...a problem one for you

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Well....all i can say is the transmission has never been a problem on my mother's at all.

Post# 273675 , Reply# 35   4/3/2008 at 22:33 (3,486 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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~I will say the main flaw i found was the mistake Maytag Australia made by fitting electric pumps in place of the mechanical pumps which led to lots of "suds lock" depending on what detergent my mum used.


OK Now I must ask to see a Maytag with an electric pump, if you please. It seems counter-intuitive to me to introdce yet another 240v item for an export machine in a country that uses 120v. In other words, a 240v electic pump and motor probably not a readily-available "stock" part.

Why on Earth would Maytag do something like that? Is there any reason they needed a neutral drain? Would a 50hz motor of sufficent torque have to be larger, and therefore not fit in the available space?


Post# 273678 , Reply# 36   4/3/2008 at 22:55 (3,486 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Why did Maytag fit an electric pump??

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Hey Toggles,

From what i have been told by a Maytag repairer, the reason they fitted electric pumps to the "Dependable Care" line was to "try" and reduce the instances of Lint staying on the clothes.

Personally, i hate the neutral drain of these machines and much prefer the spin drain. Remember, the model before this still had the spin drain and when they introduced the "Performa" and "Atlantis" some years later, they were all spin drain.

I don't think it had anything to do with the motor etc.

As for a pic...maybe Shannon can provide one? Otherwise, i'll take a pic of my mum's on the weekend.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 273695 , Reply# 37   4/4/2008 at 05:31 (3,486 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        
Great looking machine

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Hi Shannon,
A really great looking machine,well done!, tell me do you prefer the traditional agitator action like your Maytag?, or do you like the pulsator type action of this one better?.
When we bought our large top loader a few months ago, we also looked at this one,but mainly due to price affordability we ended up with the 8.5kg L.G.which I must say has not yet let me down.
Enjoy your new washer.
Steve.


Post# 273700 , Reply# 38   4/4/2008 at 06:17 (3,486 days old) by funguy10 ()        

DADoeS, that was a pretty interesting video. But why was the washer making filling sounds during the entire cycle? Was the display on demo mode or somthing?

Post# 273773 , Reply# 39   4/4/2008 at 13:29 (3,486 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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I have a Dependable Care Plus of about this vintage. Mine is a 10 cycle machine with variable water levels. I bought it new 5-9-95. Mine was built by Maytag when they were Maytag in Newton, IA. It has the orbital tranny, belt drive, and poly pump.

I had one service call recently because the pressure switch was allowing it to overflow on occasion. The service man could have told me it needed replaced and charged me a right testicle for the repair, but he was able to clean it and charged me $22 for the service call.



Post# 273936 , Reply# 40   4/5/2008 at 19:29 (3,484 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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DADoeS, that was a pretty interesting video. But why was the washer making filling sounds during the entire cycle? Was the display on demo mode or somthing?
Look up at the post that includes the clip, it clearly says IWL12 Demo Screen.  Demonstration mode is for attracting attention to a store display.  The controls can be set for cycles/options as usual, but the machine won't run.  The scrolling display resumes after a couple mins of no buttons being pressed.  The clip doesn't show that all the console LEDs are flashing.


Post# 274103 , Reply# 41   4/7/2008 at 00:23 (3,483 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

Shannon - do know how you like this machine as you continue to use it. I know someone at work who has this machine and she found that it wrinkled her clothes up. So she started selecting the ordinary mode which of course negates the efficiency.

Have you seen the new water saving top loaders from Electrolux and Simpson? I'm very impressed. See the next thread for that machine.


Post# 274216 , Reply# 42   4/7/2008 at 22:29 (3,482 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Mayfan i'll get one soonish i hope...

Ash... Yes... I really like this machine... It is such a novelty to be able to chuck a regular load of clothes in, Close the lid, press power then start and walk away knowing that the machine will do everything perfectly... It is seriously amazing how it will do a HE wash perfectly... Although more often than not I watch it... Wrinkling? I find no problem... With my Woolies shirts what I do do is put it on a regular HE wash with softener rinse on and softener in the dispenser... This seems to do the trick.

And as for the controversial water rating... On conventional mode it still uses less water than our maytag.

And the low profile agitator... When we were buying it mom said she did not want one with a pulsator as she had had troubles before... This is NOT a pulsator it is a TRUE AGITATOR... It can actually push the water current either way but nine times out of ten water and clothes come up in the middle and down on the outside. It ALWAYS works better with larger loads.

Yes... We did see the Electrolux WaterAid... We got the AquaSmart as it has no traditional agitator as we have the need to wash doonas and blankets on a regular basis... Personally I'm not too impressed with WaterAid... It seems to me that they could have simply used a solid tub like 1950s Frigidaire's and spun the water out... I think its a big hype over nothing





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