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Thread Number: 16432
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| Post# 272830 3/29/2008 at 14:04 (5,871 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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| Post# 272831 , Reply# 1 3/29/2008 at 14:06 (5,871 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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| Post# 272832 , Reply# 2 3/29/2008 at 14:08 (5,871 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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| Post# 272833 , Reply# 3 3/29/2008 at 14:10 (5,871 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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| Post# 272834 , Reply# 4 3/29/2008 at 14:12 (5,871 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
AEG
Hello Rob congratulations on geting this lovely machine, i know they are solidly built and of a high qaulity, it should wash really well too. The chrome door sets it off beautifully ;-) whilst i am on the subject of chrome doors a beaten up Hotpoint liberator tumble dryer came into work today so i took the chrome door with mauve window off it....dont know why just thought it was too special to let go of. anyway again i am pleased to see your purchase, I hope you enjoy it Gary | ||
| Post# 272835 , Reply# 5 3/29/2008 at 14:12 (5,871 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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| Post# 272836 , Reply# 6 3/29/2008 at 14:14 (5,871 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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| Post# 272851 , Reply# 7 3/29/2008 at 16:04 (5,871 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland) | ||
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Do I see a clutch on the motor pulley? Nice touch.... | ||
| Post# 272944 , Reply# 9 3/30/2008 at 06:04 (5,870 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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Videos and thank you
Hi everyone, here are two videos the first is a full demo, the second just an internal demo of the motor. Paul - thank you for posting this on the ebay thread. If it wasn't for you I doubt I would have seen it! I've always wanted one of these. Rob CLICK HERE TO GO TO robm's LINK | ||
| Post# 272945 , Reply# 10 3/30/2008 at 06:07 (5,870 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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Here is the second video. I took Mark's advice and just tried to talk more naturally without planning. I think I sound more relaxed but I can't deny I hate my own voice LOL!
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| Post# 273072 , Reply# 12 3/31/2008 at 06:52 (5,869 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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Thanks Mark that is really kind of you and thanks to everyone else for their comments. This machine has nice simple programmes. Prog 2 is the main wash and washes for a decent time (I'd say 25-30mins) even at 40 degrees which compared to some earlier machines isn't bad. It then fills and partly drains and fills again. It washes for a bit then drains. It then does 3 rinses, just as shown in my video. I quite like the 3 interim spins that each get longer. What's strange however, is that on the final spin it just goes straight to 800 and holds it for 4 minutes. In the next few days I hope to scan some of the instruction book for you. Does anyone have any ideas about the age of the machine? Rob | ||
| Post# 273135 , Reply# 14 3/31/2008 at 16:26 (5,869 days old) by dubstar85 (Glasgow, Scotland) | ||
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Rob, don't need to bother with scanning the whole manual. You can get a PDF of it here :-) Some of the photos are did not scan very well! Congratulations on your new machine! David CLICK HERE TO GO TO dubstar85's LINK | ||
| Post# 273244 , Reply# 15 4/1/2008 at 05:13 (5,868 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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| Post# 273438 , Reply# 17 4/2/2008 at 05:35 (5,867 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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Hi Paul Unfortunately, I don't know if a computer control was out at that time. It might be worth checking the instruction book website to see if any exist. In regards to the internet, I had a problem a while back and it was the splitter that you put on the phone line. My phone socket had a modem connector on it and I was adding a line splitter to that. What I didn't realise was that the modem connector had a line splitter installed so it was double splitting and stopping the service. Once I took the splitter off it worked perfectly. It was a real pain I can tell you! The call centre was in New Delhi too and no offence to the people but they did not speak English and so it was hard to be understood! Rob | ||
| Post# 273458 , Reply# 19 4/2/2008 at 08:48 (5,867 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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and the drop down door version - Lavamat Deluxe Electronic. Deffo sold in the UK. 
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| Post# 273459 , Reply# 20 4/2/2008 at 08:52 (5,867 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K) | ||
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and finally, cause your 804 has got me all AEGee.....one of my mates from primary and junior school had one of these (or something pretty much identical) in their farmhouse style kitchen. AEG Lavamat Nova 803. cheers and enjoy. paul 
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| Post# 273469 , Reply# 21 4/2/2008 at 11:23 (5,867 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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Hi Paul Look I've found the instructions to the Electronic. There are loads of other old machines too. Hope you internet sorts itself out again. Rob CLICK HERE TO GO TO robm's LINK | ||
| Post# 273787 , Reply# 22 4/4/2008 at 15:46 (5,865 days old) by timon90 (Norway) | ||
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Post# 273818 , Reply# 23 4/4/2008 at 20:22 (5,865 days old) by panthera  (Rocky Mountains) |
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Rob, That is a lovely machine and I congratulate you. Back when I was working in an appliance shop in 89-90, selling new and used washers, our boss had a policy. When one of his customers or employees brought in a friend, neighbor, relation - someone who couldn't afford a new machine - but whose business he valued for future repeat sales - it was this series from AEG he'd steer them to. "Bulletproof, idiotensicher, run forever doing five loads a day". The only things you'll need to watch are that drum bearing - the seal is probably not in best form - and that diverter shunt for the dispensers. It can get gummed up over time and the leverage on that rod is more than enough to break plastic parts. I think that clutch was probably the most brilliant solution to the "high-speed" spin without logic problem or spending a small fortune of its day. The Italians were using a sophisticated but unreliable variable diameter spring loaded pulley, Philips logic worked...when it worked...but these just merely ran up to speed. I gave my matching dryer to friends in 1991 when I got my Miele. It was still running, last I heard, in December. Incredible, when you compare this machine to the stuff built today...thanks for sharing. | ||
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Post# 273856 , Reply# 24 4/5/2008 at 05:09 (5,864 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Those AEG's were wonderful machines. I've always liked them and yes they were sturdy built. I had a Zanker dryer which was similar to the AEG dryer that matches this machine. It ran forever and like Keven I still would be using it if I hadn't exchanged it for a Miele. BTW, the Economy button doesn't shorten the main wash but extends it so you can wash at a lower temperature. It maximizes the temperature to 60*C. The so called "E-button" was an idea of the owner of a Dutch chain that sold whitegoods called Gerard de Lange. Most manufacturers adopted the idea and most washers got some kind of Economy button that made it possible to wash whites not at 95*C but at 60*C with the same wash time as a boil wash. Miele didn't adopt this idea but came later with the wash time guarantee that gave all cycles the same time no matter what temperature was selected. | ||
| Post# 274003 , Reply# 25 4/6/2008 at 09:46 (5,863 days old) by timon90 (Norway) | ||
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Post# 274007 , Reply# 26 4/6/2008 at 10:01 (5,863 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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The "E" button
function varied over time, but generally speaking, AEG used it for two purposes. One, as everyone has noted, it extended the wash time while cutting the temperature from 90° to 60 or 65° (and from 60° to 45° in some models). It also increased the time clothes were held in the active enzyme phase around 40-50° considerably. This, more than anything else improved the cleaning. We switched to high-enzyme phosphate detergents about the same time the US did. But the US washers in the 60's weren't rinsing well enough to get rid of the beasts so people got itchy skin and enzymes disappeared from the market for a few decades. At least, that's the way I remember it. Once the water goes much above 50° or the wash time goes longer than 40 minutes or so, the enzymes denature and that problem, at least, is solved anyway. | ||
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Post# 274017 , Reply# 27 4/6/2008 at 11:35 (5,863 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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My Philips indeed decreases the temperature to 40*C on the 60*C cycle. I don't remember exactly when the "E" button was introduced.Must have been somewhere in the seventies I think. The enzyme phase was from a much later date I think, but I could be wrong. Anyone has an idea about when that happened? IIRC it was Bauknecht who introduced the enzyme phase. | ||
| Post# 274028 , Reply# 28 4/6/2008 at 13:41 (5,863 days old) by robm (Buxted) | ||
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Hi Guys thanks for your messages Silly me, I meant lengthens the wash rather than shortens it! It was the pressure of filming LOL! One thing I find odd about this machine is that it does variomatic spins throughout the rinses but then goes straight to main spin at the end. I note on some other models there was a variomatic button. Rob | ||
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Post# 274126 , Reply# 29 4/7/2008 at 08:03 (5,862 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Wasn't clear
I meant that this "E" button's function shifted over time - first only lengthening time at a lower temperature, later the enzymatic action. If I recall rightly, AEG used a "bio" symbol, sort of like the old symbol for radiation in the late 1970's for the enzyme cycles, too. Separately from the "E" button on many models. It is a mystery to me why and how AEG chose the Variomatic spins. Some models offer a button to make them available for all spins, some only do it during the rinses. The first electronically controlled units (those hideous epoxy cast modules which never worked worth a damn) tended to go insane and strain the later motors which weren't designed for it with full-fledged spins from the very start. Your motor has that clever clutch system. | ||
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Post# 274169 , Reply# 30 4/7/2008 at 13:34 (5,862 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Bio Programes - Enzyme Phase
Very nice machine ! I like the way it spins beween rinses, I`m sure it also handels very large loads perfectly without any suds locks. In my opinion 3 rinses 1/3 up the door coupled with fast interm spins is the key to perfect rinsing without wasting too much water. Not having a Variomatic spin for the last spin is actually a benefit in my opinion. Some 70s to early 80s Mieles took ages to perform a final spin and there was no option to switch it off. I`m a bit surprised to see an E button on a washer produced in 1981. Thought it did not become common before the mid 80s. Lots of washers advertised in the 1970s to have special BIO programes to get the best out of the new detergents. IIRC the only difference between a BIO and a non BIO progame was the temperature of the prewash. BIO usually meant a 60° prewash instead of 30°or 40°. The Enzyme Phase was something completely different. This meant to keep the mainwash temperature for a while on 40° and then heat up to whatever is selected. I think Louis is correct it was a Bauknecht thing and is now also known as a "profile wash". I estimate it was introduced in the late 80s or early 90s. I wonder how many of today machines still use it, at least my Miele doesn`t. The E buttons usually just extended the wash times some also lowered the temperature automatically if there was no seperate thermostate. | ||
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Post# 274172 , Reply# 31 4/7/2008 at 14:45 (5,862 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Variomatic spin
My wild guess about the lack of Variomatic spin after the last rinse is that AEG used the same timer for the machines with and the machines without a Variomatic spin button. If my wild guess is correct it would mean that the machines without a Variomatic spin skip a few increments on the timer between the last rinse and the final spin.
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