Thread Number: 17694
Soon to be very COOL KitchenAid KD-12 Dishwasher |
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Post# 289007   7/6/2008 at 15:09 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289008 , Reply# 1   7/6/2008 at 15:09 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289009 , Reply# 2   7/6/2008 at 15:12 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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The problem that most likely put this dishwasher out of service is the motor start switch with a terminal that fell off. Not many washers or dishwashers use a external start switch to energize the start winding of the motor, most have them built right inside the motor. The KitchenAid (like GE Filter-Flo washers) use a special switch mounted externally. The way it works is when the motor first starts there is a great rush of power thru the motor with the rotor stationary. This great rush of power causes enough of a surge to close the solenoid switch deep inside this switch box. When the motor gets near full speed (1/4 to 1/2 second) the rush of power subsides and the solenoid opens which removes the power from the little internal solenoid opening the connection to the start winding, hence only leaving the run winding of the motor energized. I tried to fix this motor start switch but even opening up the box caused it to crack and break even more. |
Post# 289010 , Reply# 3   7/6/2008 at 15:16 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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So even though the KA motor is 1/4 horsepower, I decided to try a GE Filter-Flo external start switch for 1/3 hp GE motors. Because the KA has three terminals and GE has four I had to do a little experimenting to get it to work as well as add a jumper wire between two terminals. But it works perfectly! it’s a perfectly replacement for a (I’m sure) long NLA KitchenAid motor start switch, YAY.
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Post# 289011 , Reply# 4   7/6/2008 at 15:16 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289012 , Reply# 5   7/6/2008 at 15:18 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289017 , Reply# 6   7/6/2008 at 16:04 (5,772 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 289035 , Reply# 7   7/6/2008 at 17:19 (5,772 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)   |   | |
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simply awesome. Thanks for posting. Lawrence/Maytagbear |
Post# 289044 , Reply# 9   7/6/2008 at 17:54 (5,772 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 289051 , Reply# 12   7/6/2008 at 18:25 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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They actually changed to a relay like the one you have there so if you want me to check for you, let me know. We may still be able to get the correct oem item for it thru Hobart. Thanks Steve, this one works just fine. your workshop is as cluttered as mine - yay! You can say that again ;) Well step one with the Jig Saw worked just fine, and I'm glad to report not one single leak using a nice thick cork gasket against that beautiful new glass. Later I have to cut away the front of the door. ***Evil Laugh*** |
Post# 289056 , Reply# 14   7/6/2008 at 19:44 (5,772 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 289064 , Reply# 15   7/6/2008 at 20:24 (5,772 days old) by mihi ()   |   | |
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Very creative! |
Post# 289070 , Reply# 16   7/6/2008 at 20:42 (5,772 days old) by hooverwheelaway ()   |   | |
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Lots of dishwasher fun! Looks fabulous... Which do you think was more nervous? The Dishwasher or the Jigsaw? ~F |
Post# 289074 , Reply# 17   7/6/2008 at 20:57 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Which do you think was more nervous? The Dishwasher or the Jigsaw? I think its answer 'C' Fred, "me" using the jigsaw :) Well here he is, all ready for his first Action Washload. What I want to do next week is seal up the space between the outer door and the glass, automatically light the dishwasher interior while its running and give it a good paint job! Begone with the "Forbidden to see" cycle! YAY |
Post# 289075 , Reply# 18   7/6/2008 at 21:00 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289076 , Reply# 19   7/6/2008 at 21:02 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289078 , Reply# 20   7/6/2008 at 21:04 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289080 , Reply# 21   7/6/2008 at 21:06 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289082 , Reply# 22   7/6/2008 at 21:07 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289083 , Reply# 23   7/6/2008 at 21:08 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289088 , Reply# 24   7/6/2008 at 21:45 (5,772 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 289091 , Reply# 25   7/6/2008 at 21:53 (5,772 days old) by hooverwheelaway ()   |   | |
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Yay! Fun times! |
Post# 289107 , Reply# 26   7/6/2008 at 22:24 (5,772 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 289112 , Reply# 28   7/6/2008 at 22:50 (5,772 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 289113 , Reply# 29   7/6/2008 at 22:50 (5,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I wonder, might there be the possibility of a Super KithenAid? :) And surely videos to display its fabulousness? Nah to the Super KA, its fine the way it is, but once I get it all pretty, videos to come. That might be a fun machine to have in the kitchen for a change. I was thinking the same thing Terry, I've always wanted a window door dw in the Kitchen, except I wont be able to hide the dirty dishes now LOL! |
Post# 289120 , Reply# 31   7/6/2008 at 23:24 (5,772 days old) by tuthill ()   |   | |
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Robert you are sooo good at working with appliances! I'm envious! Very, very cool pictures... it's not every day you see inside a running dishwasher. |
Post# 289126 , Reply# 32   7/6/2008 at 23:43 (5,772 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 289133 , Reply# 34   7/7/2008 at 01:01 (5,772 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 289206 , Reply# 37   7/7/2008 at 13:36 (5,771 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 289224 , Reply# 38   7/7/2008 at 15:31 (5,771 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 289240 , Reply# 39   7/7/2008 at 17:03 (5,771 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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John Cameron Swayze brings you the KitchenAid dishwasher to test a Timex Ladies Waterproof watch. And in full view of just everyone!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO gansky1's LINK |
Post# 289257 , Reply# 40   7/7/2008 at 18:00 (5,771 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 289262 , Reply# 42   7/7/2008 at 18:57 (5,771 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 289274 , Reply# 43   7/7/2008 at 19:40 (5,771 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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What is the exact Cycle time on that machine ? I have the Owner's Book out for my KD2-P and it says the total cycle time is 43 Minutes. 1.5 min Warm up, 1.5 min. Fill, 7 min. Wash ,1 min.Drain,1.5 min Fill, 2 min "Power Rinse", 1 min. Drain, 1.5 min Fill, 1 min. "Final Power Rinse" (I love the "Power" because it is) 1 min Drain, and "Sanitized Hot Air Drying" 24 min. (1,000 watts of course) |
Post# 289279 , Reply# 44   7/7/2008 at 19:49 (5,771 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Eddie I believe my cycle is exactly the same. Greg that is a cool video, BUT my wash arm spins at at least double the rate of the one shown there, according to the manual its suppose to go 100rpm and mine goes at least that. I wonder if that machine is a 14 and the rate is slower, or if there isn't enough water in there????? (but that would be dishonest lol) |
Post# 289280 , Reply# 45   7/7/2008 at 19:51 (5,771 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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How in washer-gods name can you make a machine pump that had no pump, no pulley, no terminals--nada? How could I have missed that comment in my post above lol. I simply wired it in series with the motor, so whenever the dishwasher pump motor is running my drain pump runs as well. Water doesn't drain out during the wash and rinse because the drain solenoid is closed. |
Post# 289287 , Reply# 46   7/7/2008 at 20:39 (5,771 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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The "tuned ear", You can recognize the RPM sounds. I know my Kenwhirl,Kds 18, Mobile Maid, all my washers , and DishMachines. I bet that Wash Arm does do 100 RPM. The KDP moves a little when it starts, but I think the centrifugal force of that cast iron spinning, evens out the rocking motion of the portable. And I really think and to me the Cast Iron Wash Arms are truely quiet.
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Post# 289298 , Reply# 48   7/7/2008 at 21:20 (5,771 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Robert, there maybe an available terminal on the timer for the drain pump, that your machine was not originally equipped with. Wouldn't that be nice? Hi Leslie, nope there is not. The timer had two issues with it, the first increment of wash wasn't working and the first increment of the 1st rinse wasn't working. So I took the entire thing apart and gave it a complete overhaul. There was no extra terminal, besides the drain pump in this machine was connected to the main motor from below and didn't use an separate electric pump. At least that is the way my KDS-14 is. |
Post# 289316 , Reply# 50   7/7/2008 at 21:49 (5,771 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 289317 , Reply# 51   7/7/2008 at 21:50 (5,771 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 289327 , Reply# 52   7/7/2008 at 22:36 (5,771 days old) by brent-aucoin ()   |   | |
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Robert, Thanks again for the pictures! The second picture of the water shots is my favorite! You can just see the power of this machine! Fun! Brent |
Post# 289337 , Reply# 53   7/8/2008 at 04:37 (5,771 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 289338 , Reply# 54   7/8/2008 at 04:40 (5,771 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 289339 , Reply# 55   7/8/2008 at 04:43 (5,771 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 289340 , Reply# 56   7/8/2008 at 04:46 (5,771 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 289372 , Reply# 57   7/8/2008 at 11:49 (5,770 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 289376 , Reply# 58   7/8/2008 at 12:02 (5,770 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 289394 , Reply# 59   7/8/2008 at 13:28 (5,770 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 289407 , Reply# 60   7/8/2008 at 15:13 (5,770 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 289421 , Reply# 62   7/8/2008 at 16:12 (5,770 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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uhm, I believe you mean wired in parallel. Yes Toggles that is what I meant, after I posted that I realized I got the terms parallel and series mixed up. The hot wire is coming from the timer to the drain pump and the neutral wire is tied directly to the neutral buss. So what did you do with the detergent dispenser mechanism? In 1957 with the exception of the Hotpoint (I believe) there were no detergent dispensers in dishwashers yet :). In the '57 KitchenAid its simply a little stainless steel cup. |
Post# 289478 , Reply# 65   7/8/2008 at 21:25 (5,770 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Early KitchenAids had the mesh baskets to hold the detergent as my Kd2. There was a friend of my Mom's that had a Kd12 and it was mounted in the Silverware basket. The pic I'm attaching my Kd2 (circa 1957) is the exact detergent server for those models.On the Front loaders it used to sit on the left of the silverware basket. On the Top loaders like mine, it sits on the center of the upper rack.
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Post# 289479 , Reply# 66   7/8/2008 at 21:27 (5,770 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 289525 , Reply# 67   7/9/2008 at 07:35 (5,770 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 289537 , Reply# 68   7/9/2008 at 08:31 (5,770 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 290276 , Reply# 69   7/12/2008 at 21:40 (5,766 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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The dishwasher at Dunkin Donuts was just like that, but all stainless steel, and had a temperature gauge at the bottom panel. It was used mostly to wash the coffee cups and had a very short cycle, one wash (the girls just tossed a teaspoon of detergent on the door) and one rinse. But while the wash was a normal 120 degrees, the rinse was a blistering hot 180 degrees, so no need for a drying heating, the steam just flashed off the cups. This dishwasher did have the washarm, but it was gray rather than blue, but did not have a heater at all. In back of the store was a water heater that I called the Rude Dragon because it was made by Ruud and sounded like a dragon. In the plumbing on top was a valve arrangment that controlled the temperature of the hot water. The dragon heated the water to too dangerous for the home 180 degrees, and when the dishwasher rinsed, it drew directly from the dragon. But during the wash (there must have been 2 water valves) the dishwasher drew from a mixing valve which mixed some cold water with the incredibly hot water to just have hot water. The other faucets in the store drew from this valve too. The store is all closed up and for sale, and decaying but I think this dishwasher is still there. |
Post# 290301 , Reply# 72   7/13/2008 at 03:19 (5,766 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 290397 , Reply# 73   7/13/2008 at 14:40 (5,765 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 291849 , Reply# 74   7/20/2008 at 22:29 (5,758 days old) by brent-aucoin ()   |   | |
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Have you decided on a color yet? Can't wait to see the video! I know you have been busy, but just curious. Hope you had a great weekend! Brent |
Post# 291933 , Reply# 75   7/21/2008 at 14:46 (5,757 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 291936 , Reply# 76   7/21/2008 at 15:06 (5,757 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 291972 , Reply# 77   7/21/2008 at 20:32 (5,757 days old) by brent-aucoin ()   |   | |
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Pink sounds nice! I always loved the Frigidaire pink! Are you going to put this in your kitchen? Or have it in your basement? It would be awesome in your kitchen! Brent |
Post# 291993 , Reply# 78   7/21/2008 at 22:09 (5,757 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Robert, If we could start a appliance company, you are in charge of design and engineering! |
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