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Post# 291853   7/20/2008 at 22:37 (5,769 days old) by peterb ()        

My KitchenAid Superba KDS-19 is keeping water in the bottom- it won't drain, or takes a day or two to drain. I'm trying to repair it but cant find a manual. I found the KD-21 Manuals on the KA website but I am new at this and have no idea where to start and what differences between these models might be an how it might affect the repair. Any help, manuals, or general advice on what not to do would be greatly appreciated. I love this machine and I'd like to keep it running.

Also (I'll go out on a limb) are parts available?

Thanks
-Peter




Post# 291860 , Reply# 1   7/20/2008 at 23:32 (5,769 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
KDS19!

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Hi Peter,
My name is Peter also. I also live in New York Westchester county. My mom had a kds19 for 25 years. Great machine. Sounds like it may be a pump problem. I am no mechanic but would like to chat. Welcome to the Club.
Peter

Post# 291885 , Reply# 2   7/21/2008 at 09:18 (5,769 days old) by peterb ()        

Hi Peter,

Very glad to have found this site.

I've got the basic schematics for how this thing works but the big thing for me is how do I diagnose where the problem is?

The machine has occasionally held water before, but usually after a cycle or two it would clear up. Any idea how I would check for/ test the pump? could it possibly be a clog in the line or in a filter?

Thanks
-Peter

Post# 291916 , Reply# 3   7/21/2008 at 12:17 (5,769 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Hi Peter,
Is it possibly the drain line going into the sink? Does it drain into a garbage disposal? If you hit the cancel botton - does it drain the water? Someone on this site should be able to give you the information.
Peter

Post# 291930 , Reply# 4   7/21/2008 at 14:06 (5,769 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Sounds like a job for...

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Stevet.
Shoot him a e-mail. He's a Hobart Tech and will answer and diagnose the problem. Eddie

Post# 291956 , Reply# 5   7/21/2008 at 16:40 (5,769 days old) by peterb ()        

It's connected to the sink drain but not to a garbage disposal. it did drain once I hit the "cancel" button. I'll run a load and see if what happens.

Thanks!

-Peter

Post# 291978 , Reply# 6   7/21/2008 at 20:58 (5,768 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

Pete - contact SteveT on this site. He is our resident KitchenAid expert, and can definitely advise you on repair procedures and parts availability. You never know what Steve might have lurking in his garage or attic. It could be the pump (impeller) or drain valve - they do wear out. That should be no problem to replace. But Steve can best advise you. That machine has to be about 30 years old by now, so it's to be expected.

Post# 291990 , Reply# 7   7/21/2008 at 21:57 (5,768 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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If there is an air gap on the sink top backsplash, open that up to make sure it's not clogged. That was a recurring cause of standing water in my first dishwasher until I figured it out the not so well ground up food bits were causing a jam at the air gap.

Post# 292351 , Reply# 8   7/23/2008 at 21:47 (5,766 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Okay, I am back and let's see if we can get you dried up

 Peter B,
Welcome to the site here.You will find us all very helpful and willing to teach you along the way too.
First, do like Sudsmaster suggested if you have an air gap on the sink top,make sure it is clear and free running even though they are rare to see anywhere in NY!

You need to check if the drain hose is kinked in any way which would restrict the water from draining and would also contribute to food particles getting stuck in the hose. If you can, remove the hose and inspect it.Then you can run a rinse and hold cycle and then drain the dishwasher into a 5 gallon pail or bucket of at least 2 gallons in size.You will see if the machine draiins completely or not.
It is entirely possible that your sink drain could be slow and you will cause a back pressure to prevent the water from draining completely too. My aunt had that problem all the time with her KDS18.
The 18,19 and 20 also had a relatively small drain impeller in them and with the age of your machine, the pumping vanes on it would have worn down a bit as well. I always advise anyone who has those models to purchase a shaft seal and drain impeller kit from HOBART not Whirlpool since I know for a fact that the drain impeller has much larger pumping vanes on it and will really drain the sucker dry.
If you want the part number just let me know and I will give it to you. It really makes a world of difference too.

One other thing to check is the drain solenoid valve under the machine. It is electrically activated and you know when it is operating by the loud snapping noise it makes when it is energized. You should remove it and see if there is anything caught up in it that would prevent the water from passing cleanly thru it.You will be shocked at what can get into the bottom of a dishwasher and prevent it from draining.
Make sure you have run the cancel/drain cycle at least once if not twice to get as much water out of the machine as you can. Then TURN OFF THE POWER TO THE MACHINE!
There are always live components and wires under the unit which could hurt you so don't do a thing 'til you shut the breaker on it.
You can then remove the black kickplate and the lower panel and you will see the white valve with the red coil on it with a pink and a white wire attached to it and two hoses clamped to it. That is the drain valve. Unclamp the hoses to it and take the wires off and have a look inside and see if there is any crap in it. you will need a pot under it for the water to drain from the two hoses.
If there is debris in it, there is your problem. If not, then the hoses or the impeller is the problem.

Let us know what you find.
And sorry for the delay. I was in Arizona for the weekend and had no computer access.
Good Luck!
Steve


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