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Bosch 1966, we had one of those!
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Post# 310016   10/18/2008 at 09:19 (3,262 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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My mother bought this machine in 1966. It had four cycles, Stark (cottons intensive), Schonend (cottons light), S1 (permanent press) and S2 (delicates). There is a separate temperature control and a timer. The soap dispenser had two compartments, one for prewash and one for mainwash.

There was a separate insert that could be put in the prewash detergent compartment after the prewash for the fabric softener. The machine had a spinspeed of 760rpm which was quite fast for that time, Mieles in 1966 did only 700rpm IIRC.

Sweetest memories of this machine are the boilwash with the smell of the Dixan coming through the dispenser. How often did I open it just to smell!

Louis


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Post# 310017 , Reply# 1   10/18/2008 at 09:22 (3,262 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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I'd better ad a picture before the eBay ad disappears.

Post# 310025 , Reply# 2   10/18/2008 at 10:21 (3,262 days old) by favorit ()        
Prima !

..nostalgie ... double door (asko-like) Lavamats, squared door Siemens ... I remember my cousin's big door Constructa.
Maybe it was an hard mount design, as it was bolted on a cast iron pedestal to avoid spin jumping
I'd like to see some old Bauknechts and Zankers too :-P
Here they weren't as common as L. Clara and Mieles

Carlo
PS BTW your no-spin TL W402 & constructa are 2 jevels indeed !!


Post# 310072 , Reply# 3   10/18/2008 at 17:27 (3,262 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        
Carlo

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Older Constructa's were indeed bolt down machines.

Thanks for your compliments about my little toploaders. My Miele is actually an Automatic. I love the Constructa too. Today I saw a Rondo Rondoflott in a thriftstore, that machine is even a bit smaller than the other ones. Unfortunately I didn't bring my camera.

Louis


Post# 310110 , Reply# 4   10/18/2008 at 21:47 (3,262 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Oh Gawd

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I wish I had a basement in Europe!

Louis you need to get that machine even if it goes into a storage compartment!

Is it really double door??? Is the tub stainless or enamel?

sighhhhh


Post# 310112 , Reply# 5   10/18/2008 at 21:58 (3,262 days old) by a440 ()        
Great looking machine!

The washtub looks huge!
Brent


Post# 310142 , Reply# 6   10/19/2008 at 03:03 (3,262 days old) by robm (London)        

Hi Louis

Thanks for sharing, I love these old Bosch machines. I was watching a great video on youtube by Vampyrxy and you can see how well made these machines were. If I'm not mistaken, I am counting 4 suspension mounts and a further side suspension mount.

Would love to own one of these but they are quite rare over hear. I get the impression AEG was more popular in the 60s and 70s.

Were these machines very expensive years ago?

Rob


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Post# 310148 , Reply# 7   10/19/2008 at 04:00 (3,261 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Jon,

This machine doesn't have a double door, it's a single and very heavy one. The inner tub is stainless, the outer one enamel. Ofcourse it has two way tumbling like all European frontloaders.

Brent,

That wash tub is indeed quite huge for a European machine, it's 65 liters. Most other frontloaders had a tub somewhere between 42 and 50 liters. They rated the capacity for 5.5kg but it would hold much more.

Rob,

This Bosch is a totally different machine than the Siemens in that movie. Bosch and Siemens didn't have the joint venture in BSH yet. The Siemens is from 1982 and a much smaller machine.

My mother bought the Bosch for 1500 Dutch guilders back then in 1966 (700.- or $940.-), a lot of money at that time, about the same price for a TOL AEG. Those only spun at 520rpm though. And this model wasn't even the TOL!




Post# 310153 , Reply# 8   10/19/2008 at 04:32 (3,261 days old) by favorit ()        
Hier kommt ... Constructa Waschautomat !!

I think my cousins'one was a latter model, as it had a no-spin switch on the right side.

Those had a shallow drum (more or less vol. 30 L ,so at ratio 1:10 they held 3 kg)

Jetcone - that Bosch isn't double-door. At those times only Aeg Lavamats were double door. It was necessary as safety device, as the glass door had a non flexyble gasket and the whole glass door moved with the tub while spinning.
Later when appliances started goin' under counter, also Bosch & Miele put the outer door. Indeed Miele has ever used a single door : the glass lid is mounted on the outer door

Carlo


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Post# 310156 , Reply# 9   10/19/2008 at 04:52 (3,261 days old) by favorit ()        
Bauknecht roller washer

did it throw blunts while spinning ? ;-))

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Post# 310157 , Reply# 10   10/19/2008 at 04:55 (3,261 days old) by favorit ()        
Bauknecht dishwasher

revolving basket and still nozzles.

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Post# 310166 , Reply# 11   10/19/2008 at 06:18 (3,261 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        
Digital archives...

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I dove into my digital archives and found some more pictures of other models of this range. Bosch had a "Keymatic" kind of machine too, it was one step up from the model my mother had. An aunt of mine had this model. She bought it in 1966 too.

Post# 310167 , Reply# 12   10/19/2008 at 06:22 (3,261 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Here's a washer/dryer combo with rotary controls. IIRC this one was from 1967

Post# 310170 , Reply# 13   10/19/2008 at 06:25 (3,261 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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The washer/dryer combo was also available with the key programming system. The keys allowed you to choose from 8 programmes. One of the rotary controls is the separate temperature control, the other the timer for the dryer. This is a 1969 model.

Post# 310182 , Reply# 14   10/19/2008 at 07:07 (3,261 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Ohhhh what a nice design

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I want that Combo! I LOVE KEYMATICS!

I must say it looks very Bendix that machine around the Door!

But the SS tub is a dead give away!



Post# 310194 , Reply# 15   10/19/2008 at 09:45 (3,261 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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I love that Bendix door! Those Bosch and Bendix machines were quite something, quality that lasted.

I see you're washing with two kinds of Persil. That small box, is that Lever Persil?


Post# 310342 , Reply# 16   10/19/2008 at 21:39 (3,261 days old) by favorit ()        
can't stop surfing here....

I've found all the zankers, bauknechts and vorwerks (thought were only vacuums!!) :-)))))

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Post# 310345 , Reply# 17   10/19/2008 at 21:59 (3,261 days old) by favorit ()        

Found out old Lavatherms were Minervas

Jetcone, here is Bendix W 505 S


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Post# 310371 , Reply# 18   10/20/2008 at 03:19 (3,261 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Louis, lovely machine to grow up with, looks so sturdy and solid, I bet it weighed a ton with all that enamel etc...was it quiet on spin?? did it whoosh straight up to the fast spin or distribute?? I wonder if it was an induction motor??

They do look similar to the bendix machines, I`ve thought that before...Ohh that keyplate Bosch would be a rare find I`m sure, but you never know!!!cheers, Mike



Post# 310420 , Reply# 19   10/20/2008 at 10:31 (3,260 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        
Mike

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Yes, it was wonderful to grow up with such a machine. It was indeed a very heavy machine, must have weighed 130kg or something like that.

It had separate wash and spin motors, it spun straight up to 760 rpm, no distribution. With a separate motor for the pump according to American standards this would be a 3 motor machine. I don't think it had an induction motor, but I'm not really sure about that. The machine was not exactly quiet while spinning. It had a deep growl.


Post# 310435 , Reply# 20   10/20/2008 at 12:23 (3,260 days old) by askomiele (belgium)        

Here a video of a model of the bosch range!

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Post# 310457 , Reply# 21   10/20/2008 at 14:15 (3,260 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        
Thanks!!

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Great video, although there is no sound. The small round steam outlet under the lid of the detergent dispenser was where the Dixan steam came out.

Ofcourse when you get older your memory plays tricks with you. I was certain that this machine would have a separate temperature control, but it appears to be a preset timer. Oy vey! LOL

The grey control panel means this machine is newer than my mother's so post 1966.

In the movie you can see how the water for the fourth rinse flows through the main wash dispenser. The water for the last rinse flows through the prewash dispenser where the softener dispenser could be placed in. In the movie this dispenser is not shown.


Post# 310460 , Reply# 22   10/20/2008 at 14:30 (3,260 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Very cool machine - the water level looks decadently high, love that!

Post# 310466 , Reply# 23   10/20/2008 at 14:44 (3,260 days old) by mieleautomatic ()        

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Post# 310498 , Reply# 24   10/20/2008 at 17:29 (3,260 days old) by favorit ()        
it's so crazy ...

In the 50ies Juno imported Bendix FLs in Germany. Those gave much more than inspiration to euro manufacturers...
Now, 60 years later, USA (re)discover FL


Post# 310503 , Reply# 25   10/20/2008 at 17:48 (3,260 days old) by favorit ()        
Candy SA5

Candy early doors are quite identical (I' d say copied) to the bendix one.
We had a SA5. Well built machine (lasted 20 years), but miles back the bosch. Fancy how was shocked my mother when left the rough SA5 for the touch-button miele w480 :-))



Post# 310505 , Reply# 26   10/20/2008 at 17:57 (3,260 days old) by favorit ()        
Costructa dishwasher

When I was a boy, while tricking with my scooter I saw a wonderful Constructa DW discarded in the back of an appl store
It had an oven-like window in the door. Lower rack was for dishes only as it had only a middle spray arm. The pump had a 1200 W motor. It's a ghost ... lost in the web ?


Post# 310547 , Reply# 27   10/20/2008 at 21:44 (3,260 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Carl

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"In the 50ies Juno imported Bendix FLs in Germany. Those gave much more than inspiration to euro manufacturers...
Now, 60 years later, USA (re)discover FL"

Truer words were never spoken, the first Miele semi automatic looked just like the bolt down Bendix!

And now we as a nation are turning towards front loaders!





Post# 310593 , Reply# 28   10/21/2008 at 04:56 (3,259 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Interesting ....!!!!

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"What goes around, Comes around Again", Wow a keyplate machine in action!!! I can see what you mean about the flushing dispenser, always love those top loaders you can see whats happening inside!!!

Would the Washer Dryer have used a blower of that era or residual heat from the elements etc??

Cheers, Mike


Post# 310614 , Reply# 29   10/21/2008 at 06:55 (3,259 days old) by matchboxpaul (Just north of Derby, U.K)        

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Fantastic looking machines and great to be able to see another Keyplate machine.

Did any other manufacturers, other than Hoover and Bosch, take up the Keyplate control option for domestic use?

Paul


Post# 310688 , Reply# 30   10/21/2008 at 13:20 (3,259 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Yes, the water level was decent with these machines but not extremely high. At that time there were machines that used a higher water level. Actually Bosch was known for not so great rinse results, mainly because there was no spin between rinses. These machine only had a final spin.

I always loved machines with a dispenser on top, they seem to do such a better job at flushing the detergent. I have no idea what kind of drying system these machines had.

IIRC the key plate operated machines came with two keys. The one that was not used was stored in a space just behind the control panel.

Right now I can only think of a commercial Miele machine that also used a key plate system, but there were probably others.


Post# 310690 , Reply# 31   10/21/2008 at 13:21 (3,259 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        
Constructa dishwasher

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An aunt of mine had a Constructa dishwasher with a window. I only saw it once when I was a kid, don't remember much about it. But it really existed!

Post# 310715 , Reply# 32   10/21/2008 at 15:11 (3,259 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Found an image of a similar looking Siemens washerdryer on the Waschmaschinenforum.
The ad says it features a radiation drying system without a blower and so there is no noise nor lint. It has condenser and needs no venting. Wonder if the dryer worked well, guess not.


Post# 310718 , Reply# 33   10/21/2008 at 15:35 (3,259 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Thanks for that picture. This is a newer model. The Bosch VT690 was the similar Bosch model I think. Here's a picture of that Bosch, it's from 1974. The door is still the same just like the doorswitch.

Post# 310719 , Reply# 34   10/21/2008 at 15:39 (3,259 days old) by mielabor ()        

My neighbour has a Siwamat washer/dryer with a similar system. I have tried it once and it was not so good. It takes a very long time and the laundry smells singed.

Post# 310736 , Reply# 35   10/21/2008 at 16:55 (3,259 days old) by favorit ()        
mein Gott !!

...as in Germany AEG was also rebadged as BBC, now I have another nickname : RONDOTELLA *LOL*

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Post# 310737 , Reply# 36   10/21/2008 at 17:24 (3,259 days old) by favorit ()        
Miele k mat

W 706 APS - found on waschmaschinenforum

Louis, when did Philips buy BauKnecht ?


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Post# 311368 , Reply# 37   10/24/2008 at 14:33 (3,256 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Actually Philips didn't buy Bauknecht IIRC. They had some projects together like manufacturing dishwashers, but they really came together when Whirlpool bought both Bauknecht and Philips.

Post# 311384 , Reply# 38   10/24/2008 at 15:40 (3,256 days old) by favorit ()        
thanks Louis

.. and lowered quality :-((

Philips washers probably were the first on EU market with a permanent magnet motor that allowed to choose several spin speeds and not only 2/3 speeds as the others


Post# 311935 , Reply# 39   10/28/2008 at 09:04 (3,252 days old) by favorit ()        
PHILCO combo

I've found it on an early 80ies brochure. 58 litre drum, hot and cold fill, vented drying. Rather slow spin for a combo : 500 rpm
For some time during this age Philco Italiana made the underBOL machines for Bosch


Post# 311939 , Reply# 40   10/28/2008 at 09:40 (3,252 days old) by favorit ()        
image

let's try to upload it again ....

Post# 956574 , Reply# 41   9/7/2017 at 20:12 by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Holy thread revival Batman - does anyone know what model the Bosch or Siemens fully-automatic washing-machine (non-keyplate) was?

Post# 956590 , Reply# 42   9/8/2017 at 00:54 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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You mean the machine in the first picture, with the blue control panel? I haven't found out yet, but I'm pretty sure it started with V 5.

Here's a video from a model with the keyplate.








Post# 957247 , Reply# 43   9/12/2017 at 13:33 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Here's a scan of the page of the Bosch brochure from 1969. This is a later model, the blue on the dashboard is just a bit darker and the spinspeed is now 720rpm.



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