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Thread Number: 22140
Homart and G.E. Electric Sinks from Massachusetts, make journey to Peoria |
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| Post# 346970 5/6/2009 at 12:06 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
Last week I brought home two beautiful Electric Sinks. The first is a Homart (Sears). This machine was brought to the clubs attention by Robert in discussion thread #20759 on February 8th. I immediately wrote to the sellers, Mary and Burt Harrington, who own a country store in the small town of North Egremont, located in the extreme southeast corner of MA. As I understand, this Electric Sink was in the living quarters of the store. Although they had some other inquiries, I ultimately agreed to buy their machine. I started investigating shipping options and costs, which were going to be very high due to the weight and size of the unit. In the meantime, I was searching the aw.org discussion threads and came across Greg’s (“gregm”) post from 2007, thread #14154, describing his “Never used GE dishwasher/sink combo”. I wrote to Greg on March 2nd, inquiring about this machine and what he had done with it. He wrote back that he had never used it, and, in fact, wanted to get rid of it. So we came to a sales agreement by that afternoon. However, I still had the same issue of how to get this Electric Sink from Massachusetts to Peoria. After some research, I decided that the least expensive way to get both of these Electric Sinks back to Peoria, was to go get them myself. They wouldn’t fit in the back of my Honda sedan, so I bought a used pickup truck. After some extensive repairs, the truck was road ready on April 27th. My Dad and I got on the road Tuesday morning April 28th to make the 2200 mile round-trip drive to Greg’s home, and the Harrington’s country store. On the way back, I stopped at Al’s home (“maytagluver”) to pick up the controversial Harvest Gold 806 set for Jim (“autowasherfreak”), and a Poppy Red Frigidaire 1-18 for me. We arrived back in Peoria late Friday afternoon. 
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| Post# 346971 , Reply# 1 5/6/2009 at 12:10 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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My Ultimate Dream Machine – a brand new, never used or hooke | ||
Post# 346975 , Reply# 2 5/6/2009 at 12:21 (5,469 days old) by revvinkevin  (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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More photos... more photos!!! | ||
| Post# 346977 , Reply# 3 5/6/2009 at 12:22 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Inside the dishwasher
There is one slight problem - the drain valve was missing! I can barrow the one from my other G.E. Electric Sink, but I sure would like this machine to have one of it's very own. I had recently created a different post inquiring if anyone has one of these drain valves in their parts stash. I may have to resort to having a couple made using the one I have as a pattern - which is what Paul had suggested.
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| Post# 346982 , Reply# 4 5/6/2009 at 12:29 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Installation Guides included
This machine has the original installation guides for both the DE-748 and the DE-848. The Model/Serial Number plate has DE-848 stamped, but according to the installation guide, that machine had a pump with drain outlet mounted on top of the sink, similar to the aerator. But this machine clearly does not have that option - it has a gravity drain hookup. And there appears to be a "7" scribed overtop of the "8" on the serial number plate. So I'm not sure what happened when the serial number plate was stamped.
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| Post# 346984 , Reply# 5 5/6/2009 at 12:35 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Underneath
The shipping block is still in place. OH, and the original Water Valve is also missing! Just my luck. It should be attached to that copper fitting. It and the Drain Tube must have been taken from this machine to be used for parts a long time ago. However, a generic GE Water Valve will work just fine, as I've already found out on two of my other GE Dishwashers. 
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Post# 346985 , Reply# 6 5/6/2009 at 12:36 (5,469 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Drool!
That electric sink is to DIE for!!! AND you got that Homart one as well! Congratulations - you are truly on your way to becoming dishwasher Royalty!! And do let me know if you need to outsource the rebuild of the drain valve assembly. The fella at Fitch Bay Hardware keeps asking me if I need anything rebuilding!! | ||
| Post# 346987 , Reply# 7 5/6/2009 at 12:40 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Greg saying goodbye to the G.E. | ||
| Post# 346988 , Reply# 8 5/6/2009 at 12:42 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Homart Electric Sink from North Egremont, MA | ||
| Post# 346991 , Reply# 9 5/6/2009 at 12:47 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Control Knob | ||
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Post# 346995 , Reply# 10 5/6/2009 at 12:49 (5,469 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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WOW Mike!!! | ||
| Post# 346996 , Reply# 11 5/6/2009 at 12:55 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Inside the Homart | ||
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Post# 346999 , Reply# 12 5/6/2009 at 12:57 (5,469 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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| Post# 347001 , Reply# 13 5/6/2009 at 12:58 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Impeller and cap | ||
| Post# 347002 , Reply# 14 5/6/2009 at 13:00 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Wash Party? | ||
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Post# 347003 , Reply# 15 5/6/2009 at 13:00 (5,469 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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| Post# 347004 , Reply# 16 5/6/2009 at 13:02 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Cute Lift-Out portion of the Top Rack | ||
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Post# 347005 , Reply# 17 5/6/2009 at 13:06 (5,469 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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| Post# 347006 , Reply# 18 5/6/2009 at 13:06 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Underneath is not too bad | ||
| Post# 347008 , Reply# 19 5/6/2009 at 13:09 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Wash Party | ||
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Post# 347009 , Reply# 20 5/6/2009 at 13:13 (5,469 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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| Post# 347010 , Reply# 21 5/6/2009 at 13:14 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Serial Number Plate | ||
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Post# 347015 , Reply# 22 5/6/2009 at 13:22 (5,469 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Neat! | ||
| Post# 347017 , Reply# 23 5/6/2009 at 13:22 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Just curious, would this have been a pre WWII model?? | ||
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Post# 347022 , Reply# 24 5/6/2009 at 13:27 (5,469 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Even more interesting... | ||
| Post# 347025 , Reply# 25 5/6/2009 at 13:36 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Oh, Here is the Poppy Red Frigidaire 1-18 (Thanks Al!) | ||
| Post# 347026 , Reply# 26 5/6/2009 at 13:37 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Control Panel | ||
| Post# 347027 , Reply# 27 5/6/2009 at 13:39 (5,469 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Ubiquitous | ||
| Post# 347030 , Reply# 28 5/6/2009 at 13:42 (5,469 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU ,THANK YOU Mike those electric sinks awesome, but I really love that Poppy Red Frigidiare! Thank you Mike for the picking up the washer and dryer for me! Thank you Al, for the BEAUTIFUL Harvest Gold Maytags! You Guys are THE BEST! | ||
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Post# 347035 , Reply# 29 5/6/2009 at 13:46 (5,469 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH) |
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WOW! | ||
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Post# 347039 , Reply# 30 5/6/2009 at 13:54 (5,469 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Beautiful haul you got there! | ||
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Post# 347101 , Reply# 32 5/6/2009 at 18:30 (5,468 days old) by joelippard (Hickory) |
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Congratulations Man
On those beautiful machines! You're going to love washing in that Frigidaire! You've never had cleaner clothes. Be sure to load it in quadrants to get a better turnover. Those Jet Cones are still out there, someone may have one for sale. I've heard some people on here mention filing them down smooth in the roughed up areas. This is typically caused by pants buttons and zippers mostly. I always button and zip mine and fold them in half before placing them into the machine. Hope you'll enjoy washing in it.
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| Post# 347138 , Reply# 33 5/6/2009 at 22:13 (5,468 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Amazing Mike, just amazing!!!! Congratulations I am very happy for you. | ||
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Post# 347139 , Reply# 34 5/6/2009 at 22:22 (5,468 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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What a trek across this great country for some great American products! Thanks for sharing your story. The GE sink/combo looks stunning. I am wondering what the outlet on the tub looks like for the drain valve. Is it possible you could fabricate an outlet and use a 15+ series KA drain valve in place? Just a thought. Your poppy 1-18 will be a lot of fun! Enjoy, Ben | ||
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Post# 347146 , Reply# 36 5/7/2009 at 00:11 (5,468 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Homart dishwasher
I also have a homart freestanding dishwasher in our collection I may have a spare impeller and cap for this dishwasher call me. I don`t think homart is a takeoff of hobart. The homart name was used on all kinds of household products sears sold and was not likely a copy of hobart an unknown name for household dishwashers at that time.
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| Post# 347152 , Reply# 37 5/7/2009 at 01:00 (5,468 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Replies
Kevin (RevvinKevin): Thanks for your comments. I’m glad you approve of these latest additions to my growing dishwasher collection. Paul (tourquoisedude): Let’s hope that the Homart still works. The seller claimed that it worked prior to being removed. He just had bought this country store property about 1 years ago. They removed the machine from the living quarters part of the building in preparation for a kitchen renovation. Regarding the cap – another dishwasher friend had told me to expect a washing machine type of cap. Unfortunately, it just cracked in two pieces when I twisted it. It appears to have a cap screw molded to the plastic (possibly Bakelite) cap. I’m not sure what I’m going to find until I get in there and give it a better look. I’m not familiar yet with either the Youngstown or Apex, but Yes, I’m assuming that the Homart was similar and in competition with the other brands of Electric Sinks from the late 40’s and early 50's. Regarding the G.E. Portable Dishwasher of the early 1950’s, here are photos of one such machine that I’m likely acquiring very soon. Stay tuned for news of a Wash Party here in Peoria. I’d like to include the other central Illinoisan collectors as well. Jim (autowasherfreak): You are Quite Welcome. I was happy to bring the machine home to you. Dave (Volvoguy87): Thanks Patrick (pdub): Thanks. Yes, I am just so amazed with these Electric Sinks. A year ago, until I found this web site, the G.E. Electric Sink was just a long gone memory. And now, to think, my collection now includes one identical to the one that I loved so much – brand new, never installed! And the tub seals are in very good condition on both of these Electric Sinks – a big cause of leaks and rust. I too am thrilled with the Poppy Red Frigidaire 1-18. I’ve washed two loads in it already, and it is just wonderful to watch and listen to. Mike (frontaloadotmy): I’m sure glad that another member has a Homart Electric Sink. I’d like to talk to you more about yours to compare notes and horror stories. Regarding the 1956 G.E. Drawer Dishwasher from New York that we saw on Craigslist and Ebay – it cleaned up, as you can see in the photos. I love the blue interior in this machine. I still have major tub seal issues, and there are large chunks missing (see photo). I used Silicon Sealer on one large piece of the top tub seal that was completely broken away (to the left of the big gap area). When I water tested it, I had a lot of water leakage where the metal lid meets the tub seal. I picked up some rubber storm window glass ‘gasket’, slipped it over the entire circumference of the metal lid, and the water leakage was nearly 100 percent eliminated. This is not a permanent fix, as I’m concerned that water will be retained in the little rubber gasket, and cause further rusting or corrosion later. I bought this machine with Michael Peterson (gedish1947) in mind. He would like to have this machine for his kitchen, but I’m not all too certain that we can overcome the leak issues. Thanks for asking. Joe (joelippard): Thank you. I already love the Frigidaire! Thank you for the loading suggestions and tips on closing buttons and zippers. Terry (tlee618): Thank you. Ben (swestoyz): Yes, the 2200 mile trip was worth it to bring back such nice additions to the collection. I’m posting pictures below, of the drain valve and seat, to answer your question. Pete (soberleaf): Thanks. Yes, I’m glad that the trip was totally uneventful. The truck performed beautifully, following the Rebuilding of the Transmission, New Muffler, New Shocks, Replacement of the Upper and Lower Tie Rod Ends, Front End Alignment, Tune-up, and Oil Change! As John has mentioned above, there is no connection between Homart and Hobart. My collection now numbers 14 and includes: 5 Electric Sinks (GE 1937, 1948, 1949, 1950, Homart), 2 GE Drawer machines, 1 Westinghouse Drawer, GE MobileMaid, 2 KitchenAid machines, 2 Hotpoint machines, James Portable. John (combo52): I’m glad to hear that there is another Homart elsewhere in the club. WOW, you actually think you might have a spare cap and impeller! Awesome. I’ll be in touch. 
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| Post# 347175 , Reply# 38 5/7/2009 at 06:22 (5,468 days old) by christfr (st louis mo) | ||
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| Post# 347208 , Reply# 39 5/7/2009 at 09:34 (5,468 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Drain Valve
Ben: Here are two photos of the Drain Valve assembly. The assembly consists of 3 parts: a (likely) bronze or brass cast valve seat; stainless steel tube; stainless steel cap. The tube has 4 divits (punch marks) where it was attached to the seat; and the cap has a further metal spring strap attached that expands and fits through two slots in the tube. I was just at a local plumbing shop yesterday inquiring if there would be a machine shop nearby that could replicate the whole assembly - as Paul has suggested. The shop sells a cast steel sink drain seat shapped very similar to the diswasher seat, but not possible to adapt to the dishwasher application. I'm not certain that the KitchenAid could be adapted to the G.E. I think the only solution is to have several of these custom made. I say 'several' because I need one for the lady in Chicago (thread #21962), plus anyone else who might come along with such a need. 
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| Post# 347282 , Reply# 40 5/7/2009 at 15:29 (5,468 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm) | ||
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Mike Is it just the stopper that is missing (top pic)? Or the entire assembly(both pics)? | ||
| Post# 347294 , Reply# 41 5/7/2009 at 16:45 (5,468 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Is it just the stopper that is missing? | ||
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Post# 347306 , Reply# 42 5/7/2009 at 18:20 (5,467 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Wonderful stuff those sinks. They are rare as hens teeth here but growing up a few were around. When I was about 10 in the mid 60's mom and dad looked at house quite close to where I'm living now and it had one, don't remember the name but I was fascinated by it and wanted them to buy that house!! They didn't.. I pass by that house now 40+ years later and wonder if the sink/dw is still in there. Doubtful but would be neat to see it. I'm guessing it would have been a Sears as they were the only big store we had in town that sold that sort of stuff. | ||
| Post# 347384 , Reply# 43 5/7/2009 at 22:36 (5,467 days old) by a440 () | ||
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Awesome machines! Can't wait for your great videos! Brent | ||
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Post# 347387 , Reply# 44 5/7/2009 at 22:48 (5,467 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Hum. Is it possible that the flange could be set in place without the stopper? Let the water flow through the flange/brass valve and couple a later style solenoid activated flapper valve to the bottom of the original bass valve. I can take a picture of it tomorrow of a later KA valve if that'd help. Thinking outside of the box on this one. Ben | ||
| Post# 347393 , Reply# 45 5/7/2009 at 23:24 (5,467 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL) | ||
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Drain Valve
Ben, The drain is opened mechanically by a cam follower that has a tiny rod attached to the tab lever at the bottom of the drain valve - see second photo above, and photo in this thread. I'm not sure how we would connect up an electrically controlled solenoid valve. If worse comes to worse, I'll use the drain valve in the photo from the 1948 machine. This all hinges on whether I actually hook it up. I've been measuring a spot in my kitchen where it will fit if I remove one base cabinet! I'm so tempted to hook it up and use it. After all, it is my Ultimate Dream Machine! The planets must be aligned for me to even have this Electric Sink. 
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