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Post# 378891   9/14/2009 at 13:50 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Hi all I know that some have asked the question at how high the Extra Large water level on this washer...so here it is. Washer.




Post# 378894 , Reply# 1   9/14/2009 at 13:52 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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cascade waterfall fill

Post# 378897 , Reply# 2   9/14/2009 at 13:54 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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ex large water fill height...no adjustments at all.

Post# 378900 , Reply# 3   9/14/2009 at 13:57 (5,337 days old) by rll70sman (Hastings, Minnesota)        
What would you recommend?

Mike, would this machine be a good replacement for a Kenmore 500 series washer? Have you purchased the dryer yet or know of anyone who has it and has reported on its performace?

Post# 378901 , Reply# 4   9/14/2009 at 13:57 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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You can clearly see that if I do a load that fills the washbasket to the top row of holes this water level wont work in previous pic...this one will though...after I adjust up

Post# 378903 , Reply# 5   9/14/2009 at 13:59 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Wash action...love the 210 arc and at 68 strokes per min its very powerful yet gentle

Post# 378904 , Reply# 6   9/14/2009 at 14:01 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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another shot

Post# 378906 , Reply# 7   9/14/2009 at 14:03 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Swirl away spin draining

Post# 378907 , Reply# 8   9/14/2009 at 14:11 (5,337 days old) by jeffg ()        

That unadjusted level looks low. Maybe it was an intentional change by SQ, but on our AWS (the series made just before the AWN) the extra large water level comes just to the top row of tub holes. A call or email to Alliance can help answer that.

Also, I'd love if someone could figure out exactly how these washers read water levels, and if this metering system can be adjusted. It's not a simple timed function, because if you decrease water pressure, the washer takes however much time it needs to reach whatever level was selected.


Post# 378908 , Reply# 9   9/14/2009 at 14:12 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Rll this washer would be a great replacement for a Kenmore washer. This washer is tough as nails and very well made. The dryer friends of ours have and they love it. Its very fast and even though its a thermostatic control dryer not electronic control..ie moisture sensors in the drum...the thermostats are very accurate and what amazes me at how well it does. Once the they cycle the timer moves and an average load takes no more than 35 mins to dry. The washer spins faster than your Kenmore at 710 rpms. This washer also has a good lint filter as well. Self cleaning of course. The washer is also rock steady during spin with no vibrations and the spin is smooth like a Maytag. The washer doesnt index the washbasket like when we got it. And so far the break in period has gone well. The washer is very Maytag-esque...the way they used to be.
Wash performance is top notch and on par with that MaytagSamsung Neptune that we got rid of. Cycle times are fast. 35 min for a load and rinsing is very good as well. Do I think we made a good purchase?...Hell yeah!


Post# 378921 , Reply# 10   9/14/2009 at 14:40 (5,337 days old) by jeffg ()        

Comparing specs for the two washer lines, average water usage is listed as 36.7 gallons for the AWS series and 31.4 for the AWN. I think that difference accounts for the water levels.


Post# 378923 , Reply# 11   9/14/2009 at 14:43 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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The water level is a normal pressure fill system. Not timed. Until the water level pressure switch is satisfied the washer will not agitate. I read the repair manual for the washer and it said that if a customer isnt happy with the preset water levels that the screw at the water level can be adjusted no more than a half turn since each quarter turn equals an inch of water height. I am tempted to do the adjustment myself. The water level height that comes from the factory means that the washer uses just 31 gallons per load. Plus one big plus is that the water temps are not "dumbed down". Warm is a nice warm 100 degrees and cold is well tap cold. Hot is whatever is coming out the tap. Mine is set at 140 degrees. So I have a nice hot wash. All rinses are cold.

Post# 378924 , Reply# 12   9/14/2009 at 14:48 (5,337 days old) by jeffg ()        

Mike, did you find the service manual online, or is it printed? I'd love to have a copy.

Post# 378925 , Reply# 13   9/14/2009 at 14:49 (5,337 days old) by rll70sman (Hastings, Minnesota)        

Can this washer be "tricked" to run with the lid open or does it have a lid safety switch hidden below the control panel? Also, does it "dumb" down a hot or warm water wash? I hate the fact that Whirlpool incorporated these features in the Kenmore model I have.

Post# 378927 , Reply# 14   9/14/2009 at 14:54 (5,337 days old) by jeffg ()        

1. Yes, easily. We used a long bungee cord, put one end under the washer in back (on the right side, looking at the front of the machine), and the other end hooks onto a metal lever that is visible underneath the top control panel in back (this is the lever that extends to the lid switch). A 30" cord is a perfect length -- don't put too much pressure on the metal lever as it can be damaged.

2. No automatic temp adjustments on these top loaders. None. What you feed it is what you get for both hot and cold.


Post# 378933 , Reply# 15   9/14/2009 at 15:17 (5,337 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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JeffG -- I think the slightly low default water level is a way to get away with a water factor below the max allowable in the next wave of Energy Star standards: <= 9.5 by 2011 for top-loaders. 31.4 gallons / 3.3 cubic feet max capacity is, shockingly 9.51515... which is pretty darn close to 9.5 isn't it?

Amazing how those things work out?


Post# 378934 , Reply# 16   9/14/2009 at 15:22 (5,337 days old) by jeffg ()        

John, if it's just a matter of a screw adjustment, I have no problem with Energy Star standards. :-)

Even though the difference in water levels is only a couple of inches, the difference in performance is more than slight for large loads. Those "extra" few inches of water are important.


Post# 378940 , Reply# 17   9/14/2009 at 15:29 (5,337 days old) by rll70sman (Hastings, Minnesota)        

Oops, sorry, Mike, I didn't see your reply about the automatic temperature control. I may just have to switch out the Kenmore washer and Whirpool dryer for a pair of Speed Queens that have features people actually want (and made in the United States). Then, I'll send a copy of the sales receipt to Sears and Whirlpool to let them know I'm no longer satisfied with their laundry products.

Also, you mentioned that the water level can be raised by turning an adjustment screw. I'm curious about that. Could it be done easily without having to take the control panel apart?


Post# 378980 , Reply# 18   9/14/2009 at 17:05 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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The adjustment can be done by taking off the access panel to the control panel in the back. Find the water level switch and turn the set screw I wanna say clockwise only a quarter to half turn and no more. The manual is online I will have to post the linkie.

Post# 378985 , Reply# 19   9/14/2009 at 17:41 (5,337 days old) by amyswasher ()        

The water adjustment is probably in the repair manual online accidentally on purpose so people will buy speed queens and make them how we want them. (ability to customize) I have a whirlpool DD I would love to raise the water level on.

Post# 379016 , Reply# 20   9/14/2009 at 19:30 (5,337 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Manuals

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If there is a link to the Manual for the front loader with heater, that would be great too.

MRB


Post# 379018 , Reply# 21   9/14/2009 at 19:33 (5,337 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Adjusting the water level

Mike,
I have the AWN542 for about 2 months now and I love it.
I also have the matching electric dryer, and I love it.
I e-mailed Alliance about the water level and they told me that the wash water needed somewhere to go as the washer agitated. I was satisfied with that answer, but if I can adjust the water level, I would like to.
Can you please post this diagram. Is it easy to take the back panel off?
Thanks
MTN1584


Post# 379034 , Reply# 22   9/14/2009 at 20:50 (5,337 days old) by jeffg ()        

> the wash water needed somewhere to go as the washer agitated <

Water levels in these washers can be raised to the bottom rim of the inner tub without issue for most loads.


Post# 379038 , Reply# 23   9/14/2009 at 21:05 (5,337 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        

I have adjusted the water level without any problems, but I wasn't sure how to adjust the water level permanently. I also did not feel like waiting for a service tech to come to my house, so I just accepted the answer. To be honest with you, I was just glad that they acknowledged my e-mail.

Post# 379055 , Reply# 24   9/14/2009 at 22:38 (5,337 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Mike, that's the same level my Frigidaire TL'er fills to. It limits you to washing 2/3 of maximum capacity, which drives me bonkers. I don't think my picture hook-and-rubber band method will work on your water level control.

Post# 379125 , Reply# 25   9/15/2009 at 08:31 (5,337 days old) by amyswasher ()        
water level

There may be some rule or law that says they cannot in anyway affect the water consumption of an appliance. It might be a government spy calling. Speed Queen TL's in 5 years might fill up only half-way to keep selling TL's.

Post# 379171 , Reply# 26   9/15/2009 at 11:55 (5,337 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Wonderful machine. By all means adjust the water level right on up and neutralize that pesky lid-switch!



Post# 379181 , Reply# 27   9/15/2009 at 12:39 (5,337 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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here is the link to the manual. Its an Amana manual but its the same as the Speed Queen washer in almost every way.

www.servicematters.com/maytag_lib...


Post# 379199 , Reply# 28   9/15/2009 at 13:46 (5,336 days old) by jeffg ()        

Thanks Mike!

I managed to stumble on one for Speed Queen, it dates from the same year:


CLICK HERE TO GO TO jeffg's LINK


Post# 379246 , Reply# 29   9/15/2009 at 17:49 (5,336 days old) by gregm ()        
adjusted water level ... ...

I adjusted mine to fill up to the top row of holes and slightly above that. Works great, LOVE this machine !! I think its the only top loader that has the full, traditional long stroke unlike all the others on the market.

Post# 379312 , Reply# 30   9/15/2009 at 22:07 (5,336 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
How high do you recommend?

JeffG
Thanks for posting that link, I am definitely going to adjust my water level now. Would you recommend to the top line of straight holes, or to the "zig/zag" holes all the way at the top. I always wash large loads, very rarely do I wash smaller loads.
mtn1584


Post# 379316 , Reply# 31   9/15/2009 at 22:16 (5,336 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I am going to adjust mine tomorrow to the bottom of the top zigzag holes...I hope this makes sense or to where I show a pic of the tub filled to the holes in #378901

Post# 379328 , Reply# 32   9/15/2009 at 22:53 (5,336 days old) by jeffg ()        

I've had no problem with filling to the zig-zag holes, for almost all loads. Be careful when washing large bulky items like mattress pads, pillows etc. A lot of water can slosh around and possibly over the outer tub.

Post# 379447 , Reply# 33   9/16/2009 at 11:53 (5,336 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
The Adjustment has been made

I made the adjustment last night, my machine now fills to the top row of straight holes, and I also "tricked" the lid switch by rolling up the Sunday comics into a nice rectangle and pushing the lid switch down. Thanks for all your help.

Post# 379532 , Reply# 34   9/16/2009 at 20:17 (5,335 days old) by streakers (Columbus Ohio)        
So - still kicking myself...

I had an older version of these Speed Queen machines (Branded Kleenmaid here in Aus.) and stupidly got rid of it when I moved last... Anyhow - now have a maytag centennial... Been a good machine - but it's just not the same...

However - does anyone know if I can tinker with the water level switch on the Maytag? Unlike my old speed queen - it's not an infinite water level switch - the maytag has a 4 stage switch mechanism... Do these work in the same manner? Does anyone know if I can adjust the Super Plus (highest level) setting? It just doesn't quite have enough water for my liking - and as JeffG states - those extra couple of inches - makes a whole lotta difference on a full load... Any help would be appreciated...

Even if someone has the service manual for the newer maytag/whirlpools they could email to me??

Thanks Kindly folks!
Streakers.


Post# 379540 , Reply# 35   9/16/2009 at 20:55 (5,335 days old) by jeffg ()        

What's the model#?

Post# 379542 , Reply# 36   9/16/2009 at 21:01 (5,335 days old) by streakers (Columbus Ohio)        
Model

should be 6AMTW5555TQ... Does this help?

Cheers
Streakers.


Post# 379550 , Reply# 37   9/16/2009 at 21:30 (5,335 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Streakers,

On those Whirltags, its a fixed position pressure switch. Fully enclosed in a plastic case that may or may not dissasemble.

I've never tried to pull one apart, but the easiest way could be to extend the length of the pressure tube.

If you try and pull it apart, my experience has been that whirlpool spares are very expensive and hard to come buy. I had to replace the lid switch on Mums whirlpool and it was going to cost $230 for the part and take 5 weeks to arrive from the US.

Just something to be aware of if you try to remove the plastic case off the pressure switch.

Cheers

Nathan


Post# 379556 , Reply# 38   9/16/2009 at 22:20 (5,335 days old) by streakers (Columbus Ohio)        
Wow - that sounds pretty scary!

Thanks Nathan - in that case - perhaps I should just hold off until I'm ready to replace this one with another Speed Queen... I don't want to do any damage and have it cost me any cash.

So - have you seen the internals of one of these new Whirltags? I've not ever had the chance to pull it apart and see it. And in saying that - it doesn't appear to be as easy as the S/Queens to get into.

By the way - you have a pretty impressive collection. Did you manage to pick up most of yours in Brisbane? Ever going to do a 'wash-in' like our fellow collectors in the US?? Cheers Steve.


Post# 379737 , Reply# 39   9/17/2009 at 20:12 (5,334 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I adjusted the water level switch today...it was very easy to do and now its at the very top row of holes. Now I wont have to stick around and wait for it to fill to get it to the level I want it to be.

Post# 379971 , Reply# 40   9/19/2009 at 09:38 (5,333 days old) by sambootoo (Moody, AL)        

I have the AWS45NW that I was fortunate to find second hand a few years ago. Love that washer! It sits patiently in my workshop waiting for the day my wife's plastic GE finally breaks. She loves the GE, I don't! Any ideas on how I can sabotage it? I do run the Speed Queen about once a month, works flawlessly, and even SOUNDS solid! I'm happy for anyone who buys Speed Queen

Post# 379996 , Reply# 41   9/19/2009 at 12:41 (5,333 days old) by jeffg ()        

Take good care of that washer, it's the last SQ TL that included a warm water rinse option. If we could find a 45NW or 75NW in new condition we'd gladly trade in our 76NW.

Post# 380024 , Reply# 42   9/19/2009 at 14:29 (5,332 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Jeff, couldn't you buy a tempering valve to raise the cold water temp up to around 100F? Granted, that would change the wash temps to hot, medium, and warm, but it would also have all warm rinses... :)

Post# 380037 , Reply# 43   9/19/2009 at 15:47 (5,332 days old) by jeffg ()        

Jamie, we installed 2 Y-adapters at the hot water tap and cold water inlet. The adapters have individual shutoff valves on each side, so temps are totally adjustable. But I've heard a lot of horror stories about stress failures with these adapters, even though they're brass, and I'd much prefer just having a warm water rinse option via the washer's control panel, without the extra plumbing.

Post# 380042 , Reply# 44   9/19/2009 at 16:20 (5,332 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Perhaps swapping in a replacement temp switch for an older model that does have a warm rinse selection will solve the problem. Or add a toggleswitch into the wiring harness.

Post# 380058 , Reply# 45   9/19/2009 at 17:55 (5,332 days old) by jeffg ()        

That first idea sounds great. What part# do we order? We'll call Alliance on Monday. Thanks!!

Post# 380356 , Reply# 46   9/21/2009 at 09:31 (5,331 days old) by jeffg ()        

DADoES, thanks again for the suggestion. This morning we called Alliance, the 4-position temp switch part# is 36335. We just ordered one from A-1 Appliance in Huntsville AL. With shipping it came to $16.67.

Finally we can get rid of the Y-adapters and extra hose.

Here's a link to the part, for anyone interested:


CLICK HERE TO GO TO jeffg's LINK


Post# 380357 , Reply# 47   9/21/2009 at 09:38 (5,331 days old) by jeffg ()        

Sorry, this link works:


CLICK HERE TO GO TO jeffg's LINK


Post# 381460 , Reply# 48   9/25/2009 at 20:11 (5,326 days old) by djmjlcst (Bloomington, Illinois)        
Water Level Adjustment/Temperature Control Switch

Hey Mike, glad to hear that you got your water level adjusted to the level you like! Our washer on the extra large setting goes to the bottom of the zig zag holes in the tub. For me it's not really worth messing with since it does cover all the loads I've done in the machine. But now I know how to do it if I ever decide to raise it a bit. One thing you should know, I overfilled the washer one day up past the plastic inner ring then I heard the water running over inside the machine. It was just a quarter of the way up where the plastic ring meets the stainless steel. So just a word of caution, you don't want to overfill the machine - I learned the hard way. Luckily it didn't flood all over the basement floor and I just let it dry out naturally and it's been fine ever since. I know, it was a stupid mistake.

Now Jeff, the temperature control switch has got my curiosity. Do you think the extra position with a warm rinse might have an extra spade lug to attach a wire to it? I'm sure you'll have to relabel the control panel to accommodate this. But, I just thought - how much would a replacement control panel cost? I'll have to go online to try to find out if it can be purchased! That way the labeling for a warm rinse will be right there for your choosing.

Just my .02

Mike L.


Post# 381461 , Reply# 49   9/25/2009 at 20:35 (5,326 days old) by jeffg ()        

Mike, unfortunately the AWS75 graphics panel (which includes four wash/rinse temperature options) is NLA from Speed Queen, so our plan to replace the temp switch is on hold for now. I'm hoping we eventually find a panel, either a pull or NOS.

We did find pricing for it on two different sites (SQ's part# is 38830W, in case that helps you), one was $28 and the other $25, but neither company had any in stock and they can't order them from SQ.

As for the wiring, I assume the 4-position switch would have four terminals instead of three.


Post# 381582 , Reply# 50   9/26/2009 at 18:01 (5,325 days old) by spinmon (st. charles mo )        
leaning towards the Queen

Just looked at some SQ's today @ AAA Appliance in St.Peters,MO. This site got me interested in 'em for replacement of our '96 90 series DD Kenmore.(which may never die!) The higher water level info VERY germaine! Looking at the service manual,I'm a little bummed that SQ uses belt slippage instead of a slippage(fluid) clutch for spin accel. From vids on youtube,the SQ's appear to wash well AND make near woo-woo sounds at times. I'm intrigued & impressed overall.

Post# 381902 , Reply# 51   9/28/2009 at 14:33 (5,323 days old) by toploader1984 ()        

doesn't the older maytags also use belt slippage in the spin cycle?

Post# 381910 , Reply# 52   9/28/2009 at 15:23 (5,323 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        
doesn't the older maytags also use belt slippage in the

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All of the *true* 2 belt Maytags from 1956-2006 slipped the belt in place of a clutch during the beginning of the spin cycle.

Post# 381969 , Reply# 53   9/28/2009 at 22:02 (5,323 days old) by spinmon (st. charles mo )        
Queen Absolved!

I feel much better knowing the classic 'tags used belt slippage for spin ramp up. Thanks for the input. Glad this site exists for us washing 'machine heads'! Fun/technical/& save money/aggravation avoiding the junk while touting the few good machines available.

Post# 382322 , Reply# 54   9/30/2009 at 23:10 (5,321 days old) by spinmon (st. charles mo )        
Bit of a snag...

Went back to appliance store to pick a water filter ($63.99!)I'd ordered for our GE(came w/house)'side by each' fridge. Looked in the SQ tub. MAN,they sure don't give a damn how their stainless panels come together! Instead of butting-up-to on the main side tub seam,SQ overlaps with a fairly sharp edge remaining. The same edge that-with the clockwise spin-will be 'face fronting' your clothes. Could've at least overlapped to the 'rear'of spin direction. The side tub panels & lower tub panels don't come together smoothly either. ALL have some evidence of grinding/sanding to make the merges maybe less 'edgy'. I think I'd still buy this machine,but a smoother tub would impress me & SHOULD be 'in there'! JMO

Post# 382331 , Reply# 55   12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,839 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Spinmom...with the washbasket I too had that concern but its really not an issue once you use it. So far nothing has been snagged and besides that joint the washbasket has is very smooth and the holes have no rough edges. I had at one time a GE washer with the plastic tub. I on occasion would nick my knuckles on a hole taking the wash out of the machine. I would bleed like the dickens.
One thing is that with stainless steel its gets smoother with use. The washer is tough as nails and you cant say that about a Whirlpool or a GE and a Frigidaire washer.


Post# 382337 , Reply# 56   10/1/2009 at 02:47 (5,321 days old) by jeffg ()        

The tub seams on our SQ are as smooth as glass. Also, their tubs have a lifetime warranty, so I'd be very surprised if they slacked off with their quality control.


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