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Thread Number: 31534
Saving my KDD-22 |
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Post# 475765 , Reply# 1 11/17/2010 at 10:34 (4,909 days old) by peteski50  (New York) |
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KitchenAid! | ||
| Post# 475767 , Reply# 3 11/17/2010 at 10:46 (4,909 days old) by estea () | ||
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corrected photo to show actual model # 
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Post# 475822 , Reply# 4 11/17/2010 at 13:13 (4,909 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 475877 , Reply# 7 11/17/2010 at 17:28 (4,909 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 476096 , Reply# 11 11/18/2010 at 12:58 (4,908 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA) |
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Not silly, | ||
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Post# 476202 , Reply# 13 11/18/2010 at 22:37 (4,907 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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The KUDI21 sounds like a great replacement. It probably works fine and was a victim of a remodel. Highly likely to be a plug-and-play affair. I had a KUDI21 for 18 years and never had a problem with it. It sounded the same from the day it was installed until the day we sold the house.
The 21 series isn't 100% Hobart, but it's close enough. Save yourself some time and money, get the KUDI21 and switch out the machines. This is as good an excuse as any to move up from your entry-level model. | ||
| Post# 476217 , Reply# 14 11/18/2010 at 23:48 (4,907 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
i'm curious as to how the 21 model
is not 100% hobart? i have a 21 in my collection as well as a 23 and several 18's and 19's. i know the 21 was the first model to use the reversing motor as opposed to the single direction motor and drain valve that all previous models used.
but i have always been taught by everyone here that kitchenaid was 100% hobart up thru the 22 models. i thought this was when the sell out to whirlpool and design changes started? | ||
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Post# 476231 , Reply# 15 11/19/2010 at 02:16 (4,907 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Pete, I hope you're right, but IIRC, the KDS20 that RCD sent home with me (when I picked up the '57 GE Combination fridge from him) was billed as "the last of the Hobart-made" KA's.
I thought the 21 series was a transitional "Whirlbart" model, and when the 22's debuted they were entirely Whirlpool's product. I would be thrilled if the KUDS22 I eventually end up with turns out to be all Hobart, but that is not the impression I've had from various threads that have appeared here. Maybe Steve will be able to confirm one way or the other. Inquiring minds want to know! | ||
| Post# 476232 , Reply# 16 11/19/2010 at 02:39 (4,907 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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here's the hobart production chart
for kitchenaid that lists dates for production of the various models.
i see the 21 model was from 4-84 thru 2-89. it's my guess that the 21 was the last true hobart kitchenaid after all. maybe i'm wrong here. i don't even see a 22 and later listed. i know my 23 model has a funky model number, unlike all earlier ones. i'm sure steve will tell us when he sees this. 
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Post# 476277 , Reply# 17 11/19/2010 at 11:14 (4,907 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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I've seen that list before. It seems correct because when we bought our KDI21, it was late summer of 1990. The machine was in the "bargain" room of the appliance dealer because it had a small dent in a control panel trim piece. It was priced less than a brand new Whirlpool, and as soon as we saw it, we knew it was the best and smartest buy.
Thinking back on it now, by that time the 22 series is what must have been on the showroom floor, and that's why our Imperial was in with the odds & ends. So now the question is, did the 21 series continue production after Whirlpool took over? Are there 21's that are completely Hobart and others that aren't? I think the blue dispensers are indicative of Hobart. Whirlpool changed them to white, I'm guessing when they moved some of the in-door electrical components around from the way Hobart had them configured, but I'm only guessing. Pete, I think you are correct about the Hobartness of the 21's and 22's. Aren't the 23's the machines that started Whirlpool's move away from Hydrosweep system? This post was last edited 11/19/2010 at 11:37 | ||
| Post# 476374 , Reply# 18 11/19/2010 at 20:58 (4,907 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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not sure,
i have a 23 and it has a hydrosweep of a sort and the funkiest looking pump set up i have ever seen on a kitchenaid.
got it here in cinti for about 20 bucks 2 years ago, tried it out once and have never looked at it since! i know it has electronic controls but since i am a die hard "old" kitchenaid fanatic i found nothing about it i liked. give me a kds-17a anytime! i can post a pic or two of the pump and hydrosweep if you like. | ||
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Post# 476388 , Reply# 19 11/19/2010 at 23:37 (4,906 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Calling SteveT... | ||
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Post# 476391 , Reply# 20 11/19/2010 at 23:57 (4,906 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Pete, thanks for the offer of posting a picture but I'm not familiar enough with KA pumps to know what's funky and what's not. You speak from experience, and that's good enough for me.
I think the fact that your 23's pump isn't like what you'd see on an older KA is a good indicator that Whirlpool's influence was in full swing by the time that series debuted. I'm guessing the 22 series machines are so hard to come by because so many of them are still in use, which is a good thing. Maybe I'll get lucky and a local remodel job will produce a perfectly good KUDS22 on CL at some point. After reading your comments and Steve's about the 18 series (not necessarily on this same thread), I now have an understanding for why Steve was considering going after the KUDS22 in Daytona Beach in order to outfit it with 18 series guts. That sounds like an awesome combination, and if I ever get my hands on a WQ KUDS22, I may pick up an 18 series so I can convert mine too. I could wring my sister's neck for getting rid of her KDS18 when I repeatedly told her not to. The machine was fine; her water supply wasn't. Last time I talked to her she admitted to realizing in hindsight that there was nothing wrong with her Superba. As one would expect, it disappeared from the curb it was kicked to almost immediately. | ||
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Post# 476518 , Reply# 22 11/20/2010 at 19:36 (4,906 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Steve mentioned using a KDS 22 Whisper Quiet tank to turn into a KDS 18 on thread #31506 further down in this forum. I believe he has done it once already using a KDS 20. You would have to get details from him, or perhaps there's a thread in the archives where he documented the process.
Scroll down or use this link for #31506: CLICK HERE TO GO TO rp2813's LINK | ||
| Post# 476535 , Reply# 23 11/20/2010 at 22:36 (4,905 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati) | ||
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oh well
a lot of us here share those "curb" stories it seems like. i threw out a newly restored perfectly great kds-17a to the garbage in 1998 and replaced it with a cheap $139.00 hotpoint! all because i was ending a 10 year relationship!
and when i sold the house later a beautiful vintage frigidaire flair double wall oven also went to the curb! this was before i discovered my passion for appliance collecting! thank God i now have another flair and a bunch of kds-17a's!!! but it still makes me sick to think what i did! | ||
| Post# 476797 , Reply# 25 11/21/2010 at 22:30 (4,904 days old) by retropia () | ||
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I'm not familiar with the DU930 model, but Whirlpool has made some very good dishwashers. May you enjoy many years of automatic dishwashing enjoyment with your low-mileage Whirlpool. | ||
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Post# 476846 , Reply# 26 11/22/2010 at 01:51 (4,904 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Estea, you may want to start a separate "parting out" post to check for interest in any parts from your KDD-20, but it might just be time to let it become a Prius.
It sounds like you got a good deal on a decent machine. Mom knows best! I would say that you'll get many years of service from the Whirlpool. Longevity has everything to do with properly using and caring for the machine, and you already know how to do both. | ||
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