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Post# 509478   4/5/2011 at 14:18 (4,769 days old) by JaredH ()   |   | |
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So-what do y'all Think of the new KitchenAid mixers? personally i still think they are superb machines,offering the same quality as the hobart ones. |
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Post# 509505 , Reply# 3   4/5/2011 at 16:34 (4,769 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)   |   | |
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THERE IS NO ONE LIKE KELLY TO TELL IT THE WAY IT IS! |
Post# 509608 , Reply# 4   4/6/2011 at 00:12 (4,768 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I prefer the lift bowl KA mixers to the tilt heads.
The thing to look for in a new KA mixer are the words, "All Metal Gears". For a while, KA was making these mixers with plastic gears, which would strip when the paddle or attachment got stuck. It seems to me the ones with all metal gearing also sport a "reset" setting on the speed control. I surmise this is to help prevent motor damage during a jam, since the metal gears are less likely to strip. But of course it's best not to try to overload any machine beyond its design specs. I have two modern KA mixers: a 475 watt 6 qt Epicurean, and a 5 qt Professional (also 475 watts, I think). I don't use them a lot, but I think I may be hooking up the meat grinder sooner rather than later to turn roast pork shoulder into ground meat for pasta sauce... |
Post# 509614 , Reply# 5   4/6/2011 at 01:07 (4,768 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 509624 , Reply# 6   4/6/2011 at 04:13 (4,768 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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I don't think there is an electric mixer that does a better job with yeasted dough than Bosch. Their stylized design separates them from comparison across the board with a planetary machine. |
Post# 509656 , Reply# 8   4/6/2011 at 07:04 (4,768 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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The Viking, Cuisinart, DeLonghi, and now Hamilton Beach mixers that are all rebadged Kenwoods are, in my opinion, superior to the new non-Hobart KitchenAids. They offer a 7-quart and 5-quart model. The basic design has been around for as long as the KitchenAid, but these are stronger machines. I recommend these to people who ask, but when you can buy a KitchenAid for a deal it's still worth considering.
Have any of you had any experience with the Electrolux Magic Mill? Looks interesting but expensive. |
Post# 509670 , Reply# 9   4/6/2011 at 08:38 (4,768 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that KitchenAid stand mixers are still made in the US. If so, that is a huge selling point to me. While I'm not "buy US made or die!", if buying new (which, to be honest, seldom happens), I now try to support US manufacturing, and so I buy the domestic product if it is acceptable. KitchenAid may or may not be the "best" now, but from what I hear, the mixers are still decent quality.
One question I'm wondering is whether there is a way to easily tell Hobart from the non Hobart models? Did the Hobart name, for example, actually appear on the mixer? |
Post# 509683 , Reply# 10   4/6/2011 at 09:40 (4,768 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)   |   | |
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The stand mixers are made in Greenville, OH. |
Post# 509731 , Reply# 12   4/6/2011 at 13:15 (4,768 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Yes, Hobart machines will say so. Usually on the metal strip around the motor/gear housing. They show up on ebay quite regularly.
I was lucky enough to find a pre-solid state K45 Hobart machine in a thrift store recently and it's so much more quiet than current versions of the same model.
I actually prefer the tilt head models, but since I bought my partner a Professional model a few years ago, that's the one that occupies counterspace in the kitchen, which is quite limited. If I had the room, I'd have a tilt-head model accessible as well. |
Post# 509749 , Reply# 13   4/6/2011 at 15:52 (4,768 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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I use 3 mixers dependent on what I'm doing at the time.. My handheld Kitchenaid and Sunbeam stand mixer probably get the most use. The hand held for my cake mixes.. yeah I don't do scratch lol.. and the Sunbeam sans stand for a big pot of mashed potatoes and/or turnip done right in the pot.. you can't beat it for that. My Bosch is mainly for bread and stiff cookie dough. I did test it on the claim it can whip one egg white into a meringue and it did that with flying colors. The whips on the Bosch aren't really suitable for whipping potatoes, they're a little too delicate and could break so can only be used on thinner batters like cakes . The cookie paddles didn't do a good job on potatoes either, leaving them quite lumpy but they're excellent on cookie dough. Overall it's an excellent machine but pricey and probably not worth it if you're not into making large batches of dough. One good attribute though is that it doesn't weigh very much and anyone can easily pick it up and put it away on a shelf or cupboard if they don't have space to keep it on the counter.
From what I've seen of the Magic Mill/ Electrolux DXL looks far too complicated and even more expensive.. of course if someone were to offer me one how could I say no LOL |
Post# 509783 , Reply# 15   4/6/2011 at 18:40 (4,768 days old) by washernoob ()   |   | |
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I absolutely love mine!!!!! :D Best mixer I have ever used. |
Post# 509826 , Reply# 16   4/6/2011 at 21:01 (4,767 days old) by parunner58 (Davenport, FL)   |   | |
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Post# 509853 , Reply# 17   4/6/2011 at 22:01 (4,767 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)   |   | |
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I love mine too See the my KA on video CLICK HERE TO GO TO brastemp's LINK |
Post# 509878 , Reply# 19   4/6/2011 at 23:57 (4,767 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)   |   | |
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I would like a Hobart N-50 in blue, which costs a little over $2000. Since my ship hasn't come in yet, guess I'll get a KitchenAid Professional 5 Plus instead. Bought my sister A KA bowl-lift model several years ago, and she likes it very much. |
Post# 509887 , Reply# 25   4/7/2011 at 00:16 (4,767 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Kenwood bread on the left and Kitchenaid on the right. |
Post# 509890 , Reply# 27   4/7/2011 at 00:21 (4,767 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Of all the pans the shiny aluminum from Magic Pan worked best. Both recipes were baked in the same pans and oven by themselves for 22 minutes for mixing comparisons. 2nd the Kitchenaid......... |
Post# 509893 , Reply# 29   4/7/2011 at 00:27 (4,767 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Cookies from the 6 quart bowl fared better and produce a consistent and usable batch of cookies from beginning to end. |
Post# 509895 , Reply# 31   4/7/2011 at 00:31 (4,767 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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First, the name is Rich, not Ralph.
Second, when I got my Epicurean with all metal gears, I got two. I tested both and selected the quieter of the two, and returned the other (Costco is good that way). Third, it is NOT a gravel grinder. It is quiet and efficient. Way more than I need, by the way. Fourth, planetary gearsets are inherently very strong. That's because the ring gear contains the loads on the sun and planet gears, sparing the bearings or bushings. There's a good reason why these gearsets are the heart of most automatic transmissions. The gear case does not carry the bulk of the burden of the load. Fifth, if the reset switch pops, it has thereby protected the gearing, metal or otherwise. But it's been my observation that of modern machines, there is generally no reset switch on plastic geared KA mixers. The plastic gears act as sacrificial components to protect the motor. Unfortunate for the owner because replacing those gears is a costly and potentially time consuming repair. Versus a simple reset of the circuit breaker. |
Post# 509911 , Reply# 34   4/7/2011 at 03:29 (4,767 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Thanks for the info about the Swedish motor. I'm pretty sure our Professional doesn't have the brush caps, and it is very noisy. When I use the slicer/shredder or juicer attachment, the thing will even squeak.
I might keep my eye out for a 600 with six-quart bowl after reading about what a great job it does.
My partner put flame decals on the Professional right away. I don't know if that will make it easier or more difficult to unload on CL or whatever, but the noise factor has always bothered me. |
Post# 509946 , Reply# 36   4/7/2011 at 08:21 (4,767 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Well, Urkel,
Both my mixers, the Epicurean and the Pro 5 qt, have "Reset" positions on the speed control. It would seem to me that this setting would be un-necessary if there was a fusible link in there. The safe assumption is that the "Reset" position resets an internal circuit breaker. I didn't mean to imply that the metal gears cannot ever be stripped even with a reset function. But it seems logical that they would be far more resistant to stripping than plastic gearing, as well as carrying on until the thermal overload reset trips. I believe I did say that no machine should be overloaded beyond its design limits. |
Post# 509956 , Reply# 37   4/7/2011 at 08:54 (4,767 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Mike.. check out Pleasant Hill Grains website for the Bosch Universal Plus and tons of other fun and gadgety kitcheny things. But like Kelly says they do show up occasionally in classifieds, that's how I got mine for less.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO petek's LINK |
Post# 509971 , Reply# 38   4/7/2011 at 10:43 (4,767 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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"There is usually a ton of Pro mixers on craigslist because they are wedding or Christmas gifts and too big and intimidating for a casual cook."
I'm glad to learn that! While my KA is going strong, there is always the fear that it might blow up one day. I just checked the Seattle area Craigslist, and saw prices at low as $75. This was for a Classic, which is probably what I'd prefer. A Pro might be nice, but I don't think I really need the power/capacity. I also have sometimes seen KA mixers turn up at yard sales. Summer 2009 I saw someone snag a KA Pro type mixer at a church yard sale. It looked like new--either someone who took really good care of it, or someone who quit using it after finding that it was overkill for Betty Crocker mixes! |
Post# 509972 , Reply# 39   4/7/2011 at 10:44 (4,767 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Post# 509990 , Reply# 40   4/7/2011 at 12:36 (4,767 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I think our webmaster's partner Fred posted a link to a clip on how to replace the grease in the planetary zone recently. It was very educational and did a good job of step-by step instruction.
If mixers sit for long periods, they may need to have the planetary re-packed. The tell-tale sign is seepage that is easily visible. |
Post# 510001 , Reply# 43   4/7/2011 at 14:06 (4,767 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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C Hook |
Post# 510002 , Reply# 44   4/7/2011 at 14:07 (4,767 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Spiral Hook |
Post# 510006 , Reply# 45   4/7/2011 at 14:57 (4,767 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Something wierd happened. Bug maybe? more than 50% of my post simply dissapeared after the preview and before the post. |
Post# 510038 , Reply# 47   4/7/2011 at 17:49 (4,767 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Thanks for all the pics Kelly..
A couple of months ago now on the Canadian Home Shopping channel they were featuring iirc the Epicurean model as their "deal of the day" with extras like a second bowl blah blah blah. I remember checking on the web while it was on and it looked to me like that model had been discontinued in the US.. Though I could be wrong. It just got me to thinking that perhaps they were just trying to flog off mixers that they now had in overstock for some reason or another? Does that sound feasible. I always get a laugh watching the KA segments on the shopping channel with one of the hosts "Richard" . Oh gawd how he can blather on and coo and come up with endless reasons why you should buy whatever it is at the moment. The KA rep is usually this short little woman chef named Meagan and the two of them are good for a laugh as she struggles to attach something or cranks the mixer up and drowns out Richards cooing etc. |
Post# 510055 , Reply# 49   4/7/2011 at 19:42 (4,766 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 510056 , Reply# 50   4/7/2011 at 19:42 (4,766 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 510058 , Reply# 51   4/7/2011 at 19:43 (4,766 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 510077 , Reply# 52   4/7/2011 at 20:31 (4,766 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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If I'm not mistaken, Costco no longer offers either the five quart or six quart KA mixers. Instead, they have a 5.5 quart model, which I suppose my be unique to Costco, I don't know. It looks like a five quart to me, go figure.
As I recall, the Epicurean has metal gearing but the gear housing is plastic. Might be why it is quiet. The 5 qt HD Pro claims to have "all metal construction", however, I have not peeked inside to see if the gear housing is plastic or metal. As I said before, the ring gear on a planetary gear set shoulders most of the load, which is why KA may have been able to get away with plastic gear case housings. But I suppose if one is intent on mixing a batch of tennis shoes in a home mixer, anything can and will fail. Oh, and the 5 qt model also has the burnished attachments and the spiral dough hook. The Epicurean has the older powder coated attachments as well as the C hook design. Not a big deal to me. Of course, if one wants the absolutely "perfect" kitchen, one might want to procure one of these beasts. At 1100 watts, and 20 qt capacity, it probably could keep a small restaurant kitchen mixing it up indefinitely. And, it's "only" $1500!!! PS-For me the perfect kitchen is the one that keeps one's family and friends well fed and happy. And a simple hand mixer can do that. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sudsmaster's LINK |
Post# 510097 , Reply# 54   4/7/2011 at 21:28 (4,766 days old) by tlee618 ()   |   | |
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Kelly, what a beautiful display!!! |
Post# 510178 , Reply# 56   4/8/2011 at 09:25 (4,766 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Interesting Kelly that the Classic is one of the best offers. I should have grabbed one a while ago (before I bought the compact Bosch), it was on sale in a wholesale store. I didn't get it because I thought the Artisan model might be better. Ofcourse there are differences between the European and the American models (especially voltage).
Kenwoods are widely available here ofcourse. They often turn up at auction sites, but as soon as one appears the bidding war starts, even on the real old ones. And now and then a KitchenAid shows up, but those are very expensive here so people want an arm and a leg for them. |
Post# 510225 , Reply# 58   4/8/2011 at 13:06 (4,766 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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I'm not too fussy when it comes to pots and pans matching. We have one mediocre set which suffices but I have a plethora of different frying pans in different sizes, types etc. Seems like whenever I see a nice looking frying pan on sale I end up buying it. Probably the worst frying pan coincidentally that I've ever had was a KitchenAid branded one,long gone now and I don't even remember if it was teflon or ceramic inside,, just that it was a blue one and something about either the teflon or ceramic all cracking and coming off so I tossed it. Fortunately I only paid half price which is when I usually buy them.. never full price lol.
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Post# 510255 , Reply# 59   4/8/2011 at 14:42 (4,766 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 510257 , Reply# 60   4/8/2011 at 14:46 (4,766 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 510427 , Reply# 61   4/9/2011 at 12:29 (4,765 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Costco just issued its latest coupon book, taking effect April 14, and in it there's a $50 off coupon for their 5.5 Qt. KA Professiona/HD 575 watt mixer. The version sold on-line also includes a free ice cream maker attachment (which I assume includes an outer bowl to hold ice) available with a mail-in coupon.
Current online price is $300, which I assume is the same price in the stores, so that would bring the cost of this mixer down to $250, which is probably a quite good deal. Not to mention the xtra capacity of the 5.5 qt bowl (which looks wider than the 5 qt bowl, addressing the tight squeeze complaint about adding ingredients to the smaller version), the all metal construction (metal gear housing as well?), burnished tools, and spiral dough hook. However I don't think I'll be getting one... unless I want to complete my collection of 5 qt and 6 at mixers, which I don't use very often anyway. There is something special about this mixer design, though, which makes them very attractive. That said, there are some complaints on the Costco web site about the 5.5 model. People having the bowl come loose during mixing (I wonder if they attached it properly, it can be tricky), as well as the bowl mounting brackets falling off (mfg issue?). But most seem delighted with the machine, and some of the complaints do seem to be simply out of ignorance or operator error. |
Post# 512006 , Reply# 64   4/17/2011 at 20:14 (4,756 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Kelly gave a very thorough answer except I think he forgot to add that the mixers with little black brush caps on the head are the original US-made motor design, while the ones without the brush caps are the more recent Swedish design.
Personally I think a brushless design is probably better due to less maintenance and perhaps quieter operation but Kelly might disagree. On a personal note... I visited Costco today and couldn't resist getting a Silver 5.5 qt 575 watt lift bowl unit during the $50 discount period. There was a stack of mail-in coupons for a free ice cream maker attachment (presumably an outer bowl to hold ice) so I took one of those too. Could be useful for whipping cream and egg whites, too. The 5.5 bowl model is advertised as being of all metal construction with all metal transmission. Haven't unpacked it as yet. The display model does show that the 5.5 qt bowl is significantly wider than the 5 qt bowl. Probably the same width as the 6 qt bowl. The Costco 5.5 qt model comes in three colors: black, red, and silver. The silver is more of a shiny gray. Works for me! |
Post# 512103 , Reply# 66   4/18/2011 at 01:42 (4,756 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Thanks Kelley. I didn't miss your passage... but it still doesn't say which is which... I know from previous posts of yours that the older design is the brush design and is made in the USA. But from your passage it could not be established without a doubt that you are saying that the motors without the brush caps are the import Swedish design.
To summarize: Brush caps on side of motor housing: Original USA made motor No Brush caps and solid state control: Import Swedish brushless motor |
Post# 512148 , Reply# 68   4/18/2011 at 12:38 (4,756 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Kelly, rather than PM you about this, I thought it would be more informative for everyone to have you answer here.
From what I've read above, it sounds like the 620 is a quieter machine as a result of having a fiber gear case. I'm not exactly sure about what the difference is with the 610. Does it have a fiber gear case as well? I presume the 600 doesn't have the fiber gear case and would be as loud as my Pro HD.
As you know, I'm shopping for my sister's 60th birthday present. I want to give her the more quiet of the 600 series models, and so far have found 620's for $399 factory refurbished. If any other of the 600 series models would be equally quiet, I know they can be found for less money, but if the 620 is the quietest of the three, then that's what I will focus on.
Thanks for any clarification.
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Post# 512317 , Reply# 70   4/19/2011 at 08:20 (4,755 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Very interesting, Kelley.
I guess my Epicurean may be one of the early ones, since it is rather quiet and as I recall when I peeked under the top it has a composite gear case cover. Good to hear that it's not going to fail unless really abused. I have a bread machine for making bread... although I am planning on firing up the meat grinder attachment to make some ground pork out of a pork butt/shoulder I purchased yesterday. It will be the first time I've tried that; I'm thinking I'll also use it for the maiden voyage of the 5.5. You're right, the KA mixers - esp the lift bowls - are good kitchen art. But they ARE big and heavy. There's really only one spot in my main kitchen where the mixer can sit and operate - to the side of the cooktop on the peninsula. That's because it's the only place with enough clearance under the cabinets (which in that location are level with the lower edge of the range hood). In the enclosed patio, there is at present no good place for it. The one spot where it could live is currently taken up by a microwave as well as a collection of battery chargers (which I think I'll eventually move to the workshop). Once the battery chargers move and the microwave slides over, I think I could place a big KA mixer in that spot. I've noticed that whatever surface it's on needs to be very stable, as in an attached countertop. A free standing table just tends to wobble a bit too much with the planetary gyrations. |
Post# 512377 , Reply# 72   4/19/2011 at 14:39 (4,755 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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The model KA mixer I have is K45SS and the wattage of the motor is 250 watts MAX. She isnt as big as some of the larger KA mixers but it gets the job done. It has never stalled out with heavy cookie batters or even bread dough. The bowl is just the right size of me. This mixer is still going strong after all these years. They certainly dont make them like they used to.
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Post# 512653 , Reply# 74   4/20/2011 at 17:18 (4,754 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Thank you Jared for initiating a discussion that has been fun and interesting for me. You haven't told us which model of Kitchenaid you have or your experiences related to it which would be nice to hear. |
Post# 512715 , Reply# 75   4/20/2011 at 22:32 (4,753 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 512723 , Reply# 76   4/20/2011 at 23:54 (4,753 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Rich, you have a delicious mastry of lexicon and it serves you well here. I yam so glad I didn't use sweet potatoes. Thanks for keeping me legit, on point and ever challenging me to be on guard. |
Post# 512732 , Reply# 77   4/21/2011 at 00:12 (4,753 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Kelly,
You sure are mixing it up there. After reading about your mixing adventures I guess I don't feel so bad about accumulating three lift bowl KA mixers in the past 10 years: the 475 watt 6 qt Epi, the 475 watt 5 qt Pro, and the 575 watt 5.5 qt Pro. Although the 5 qt and 5.5 at are still new in box, I guess I'll always have a spare ready if need be! And I really do plan on unboxing one or both of them soon, as I'd like to be able to leave one in the main kitchen and have a second one ready to go in the enclosed patio kitchen. And there's always the Model 9 Sunbeam to fall back on, seems to work fine too, as well as an old five speed KA hand mixer which I have stored "somewhere". Truth be told most of the use the 6 qt Epi has gotten over the years has been grating various kinds of soap for use in the washers. I've made a few batches of oatmeal cookies in it, but not for a while. My problem is that I have to watch my carb intake (diabetes) and a lot of foods that need a mixer are high carb content. It's not that I couldn't eat some of them, but the large quantities that these mixers can prepare would be serious overkill in my case, and one can only give away so much food at work... Hence my interest for using the meat grinder attachment next. |
Post# 512734 , Reply# 78   4/21/2011 at 00:28 (4,753 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)   |   | |
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Rich, it's time you gave this a rest. You always have to respond in a negative tone to the information that is being presented. And now it's like I don't bake because I can't have sugar, etc... You've said enough! Greg |
Post# 512931 , Reply# 81   4/21/2011 at 22:43 (4,752 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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It really is too bad that National Depression Screening day it not until October but your life can be better. Not only does it help to get enough fiber but have you talked to your doctor about an antidepressant? The side effects of the ones today are a lot less than they were in the 80s. Life can be better!
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Post# 512945 , Reply# 82   4/21/2011 at 23:59 (4,752 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I seem to be cultivating a spare KA farm myself. Besides the Pro HD which occupies prime kitchen counter space, in the basement I have both my mom's old 1980-ish Hobart K45SS (in an original box) and the older K45 I recently snagged for $30. I do want at least one tilt-head model to have around. The older non-solid state K45 (pictured further up) is much quieter than the K45SS, so I think that one will ultimately be the keeper. The almond color kind of kills it for me with the K45SS.
If I get my sister the Professional 600 or 620 for her 60th birthday, her current Ultra Power will end up as a spare. It's spreading.
I think I'll wait to find a K4 and then stop accumulating KA's at that point.
While we're on the subject, I received my free replacement feet for the K45 in the mail this week from KA parts in Greenville. All it took was a phone call and some patience, since they were not in stock and it took a couple of months for the feet to arrive. Even with the wait it beats paying for five individual feet on ebay and associated inflated shipping. |
Post# 512962 , Reply# 83   4/22/2011 at 02:23 (4,752 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 513075 , Reply# 85   4/22/2011 at 14:27 (4,752 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Kelly,.
If you felt bullied you have done a remarkable job of concealing it. In any case my intent in the past week has been to clarify your pronouncements regarding KA motors. Before that, I had the flu and I have no idea what I was thinking. Now I don't mind if someone wants to show off their cooking expertise... the photos are pretty even if the text is sometimes confusing. But next time I'll just let someone else figure it out. I admit I'm not so diplomatic when it comes to dealing with passive aggressive behavior but of course I'll try to be more patient in future. While we may have our differences of opinion I certainly respect your extensive experience with mixers both mechanical and culinary, and over time I have grown an increased appreciation for your contributions. |
Post# 514650 , Reply# 86   4/29/2011 at 18:35 (4,745 days old) by JaredH ()   |   | |
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Wow! Lets keep this goin! |
Post# 514657 , Reply# 87   4/29/2011 at 19:41 (4,744 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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It has a small bowl, and weighs a ton, but it really is the smoothest quitest thing ive ever seen, and its eighty years old!! |
Post# 514660 , Reply# 88   4/29/2011 at 19:45 (4,744 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Every kitchen needs more than one!!! the k5-a is a 65, same age as me. |
Post# 514661 , Reply# 89   4/29/2011 at 19:46 (4,744 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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There are a few more, personally, I dont use a Kitchen Aid for everything, for layer cakes, I use a Sunbeam, or my 56 Kenmore. |
Post# 514662 , Reply# 90   4/29/2011 at 19:47 (4,744 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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A few more! |
Post# 514663 , Reply# 91   4/29/2011 at 19:48 (4,744 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Yes...More! |
Post# 514669 , Reply# 92   4/29/2011 at 20:21 (4,744 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 514682 , Reply# 94   4/29/2011 at 22:26 (4,744 days old) by JaredH ()   |   | |
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My Experience is from an '88 or'89 ProLine-WP Made. |
Post# 515818 , Reply# 95   5/5/2011 at 11:41 (4,739 days old) by JaredH ()   |   | |
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BUMP -_- |
Post# 515870 , Reply# 96   5/5/2011 at 16:20 (4,739 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 515894 , Reply# 97   5/5/2011 at 18:34 (4,739 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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In case anyone missed it on the other thread, I took advantage of a 20% off deal from KitchenAid on ebay and got a refurbed Professional 600 for $219 with free shipping, which was by far the best deal out of everything I'd seen on line.
It arrived today so I had to unpack it immediately to check how loud the motor sounded. Much to my surprise and relief, this Swedish motor model is delightfully quiet! I think my sister will be pleased with this machine.
Here's a shot of the machine in the same "Cocoa Silver" finish as the one I ordered. This post was last edited 05/05/2011 at 23:16 |
Post# 515909 , Reply# 98   5/5/2011 at 20:28 (4,738 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 515934 , Reply# 99   5/5/2011 at 23:15 (4,738 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 516031 , Reply# 100   5/6/2011 at 15:32 (4,738 days old) by JaredH ()   |   | |
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Ralph- I Missed The other thread. would you mind Getting a link to the thread? |
Post# 516041 , Reply# 101   5/6/2011 at 16:01 (4,738 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 517118 , Reply# 102   5/11/2011 at 20:53 (4,732 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I took the motor housings off of both mixers and was surprised with what I found. Both mechanisms look identical (like the Olong motor seen on Rich's "Tale of Two KitchenAid Mixers" thread -- link below) except for one thing. The much noisier gravel crusher Pro HD has the plastic gear case and the very quiet Pro 600 has the metal one.
This goes entirely against all that has been stated and/or speculated about the gear case housing material having an influence on noise level. The only thing I noticed that might be associated with noise is the cooling fan in the back. When rotated (with mixer unplugged) on the Pro HD, there is a distinct sound of light scraping from within the motor itself and a slight sense of resistance. When the fan is rotated on the Pro 600, there is nothing but smoothness and silence.
I wonder even more now if perhaps KA got so many complaints and/or returns due to noise level that they took steps to quiet down the motors. CLICK HERE TO GO TO rp2813's LINK |
Post# 517337 , Reply# 103   5/13/2011 at 00:53 (4,731 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Well, that is certainly interesting, Ralph. Thanks for checking out the innards.
I stopped by Costco today and was able to plug in the display Pro550HD mixer. It seemed to me it was noisier than my Epicurean, but perhaps slightly quieter than my Pro550HD at home. But of course it's really tough to compare noise levels in completely different environments and separated by time and distance. If the gear housing doesn't have a major effect, then perhaps KA stuck a plastic gear into the Pro600 to quiet it down. I don't know if I'm willing to pop the gear housing covers on my mixers just yet, but on the other hand it is an eventual operation in order to refresh the gear grease. I would be disappointed to see a plastic gear in the Epicurean; but I'd be totally shocked to see a plastic gear in the Pro550HD, which is supposed to have an all metal transmission. |
Post# 517405 , Reply# 104   5/13/2011 at 09:40 (4,731 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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I've had a 325-watt KA mixer in Majestic Yellow for about 12 years now and it has never caused me any trouble. I probably never pushed it to its limit, but for the jobs I have asked it to do the machine has worked like a champ.
A couple of weeks ago, my local Costco had a KA 300-watt mixer for $169. They only had it in only black or silver, but it came with a bowl shield, paddle, dough hook and whisk. The bowl didn't have a handle on it. I happened to have a Costco coupon for $50 off, so I ended up with a silver one and paying $119 for the machine. It is now at my cottage, where it has already help produce loaves of bread and dozens of cookies. In all cases, it seemed to operate just fine. So, I guess I'm a fan of the KA mixer. |