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Post# 566801   1/3/2012 at 21:18 (4,496 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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that will remove 26 AMPS from the timer block in my Charcoal '57 Frigidaire at spin up! The timer contact was rebuilt in the 1960's and"Mother-Superior" tells me that they used brass rivets which came loose, sure enough my contact is looser than a gooser and at spin up gets so hot you can't even touch the outer control tower.

So I have put in a HONKIN huge power relay to take all the juice to the motor.

 

If you look around the world of electronics you will see there aren't many devices in the world that ever use 26 AMPS at one time! This is one of them.

 

 





Post# 566830 , Reply# 1   1/4/2012 at 01:24 (4,496 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        
26 amps?!

Are you sure that amperage is correct? If so then you'd need a special circuit as normal 120v residential circuits are always 15 or 20 amps. Of course if there ever was a washer worthy of having its' own special circuit it would be a charcoal Control Tower thumper!


Post# 566837 , Reply# 2   1/4/2012 at 05:35 (4,496 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

I remember my parents had an early set probably 56 vintage and they had to have a special fuse in the box with a time delay fuse. It would allow the amps to go over a little for a short amount of time before it blew. We had to have that fuse for the washer or it would blow out a regular fuse when the washer went into the spin cycle.
Jon


Post# 566845 , Reply# 3   1/4/2012 at 06:43 (4,496 days old) by kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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They really do draw about 26 amps when they are coming up to spin speed. It's perfectly safe for a 15 or 20 amp circuit to draw that much amperage through it for SHORT periods of time (say while a motor is starting). Anyone who has watched one of these marvels start to spin knows that it throws that whole tub of water out in 15-20 seconds and is pretty much nearly up to spin speed shortly thereafter. That amount of time over-current is well within the parameters of a time-delay 15 or 20 amp fuse. I don't know the actual wattage of these machines once they are up to speed, but my guess would be that it quickly drops to the 400-500 watt range.

Post# 566847 , Reply# 4   1/4/2012 at 07:05 (4,496 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
POWER RELAYS

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Well stated Mark [ Kenmore 71 ] your comments are right on the money. It is actually very easy to find relays this size if you look in a Grangers catalog for example rather than an electronics supplier, Jon I am glad you are getting this beautiful machine running for the upcoming appliance testing and trials .


Post# 566862 , Reply# 5   1/4/2012 at 09:21 (4,496 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Frigidairs

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Oh the "Charcoal" word has been mentioned, so they wernt cardboard cutouts .....Lol, looking forward to the vids and pics...

Heres a test the boys did using a meter to show the amps being drawn on spin startup!!!



Post# 567052 , Reply# 6   1/5/2012 at 01:55 (4,495 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Thank you Mike

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I forgot about this video and Robert's rah-hah Frigidiare!!!

 

Yes it whomps up to 26 amps briefly then settles down to around 2-3 amps for a nice dry spin.

 

Last nite I tried using a jumper wire (green) you can see in the photo to supply the coil, but coming off the motor supply circuit there isn't enough voltage available to keep the contacts closed that motor sucks up so much power.. the low available voltage makes the relay chatter. I will have to direct connect the coil circuit independent of the motor supply circuit.


Post# 567076 , Reply# 7   1/5/2012 at 06:57 (4,495 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
RELAY CHATTER ON SPIN START

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Jon you may either need to use power from a different circuit than the one the washer is connected to or find a less sensitive relay, I would check how low the voltage is dropping during start, Good Luck.


Post# 567145 , Reply# 8   1/5/2012 at 15:40 (4,494 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
John

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I just moved the neutral from the motor circuit through the water valve circuit and she runs fine now! Into spin and wash and everything in between. She goes back up on the cement tonight for a virgin load!!!

 

 


Post# 567163 , Reply# 9   1/5/2012 at 18:13 (4,494 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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26 Amps! You're practically into contactor territory there- Better keep those crimps clean, mister!


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