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Another exploded LG WaveForce...
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Post# 587902   4/8/2012 at 11:17 (741 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Just saw it on YouTube:

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Post# 587917 , Reply# 1   4/8/2012 at 13:17 (741 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Worrying very worrying that goods like this are allowed on the market

Post# 587925 , Reply# 2   4/8/2012 at 14:08 (741 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
That's why they're called...

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Luxury Garbage.


Post# 587938 , Reply# 3   4/8/2012 at 14:35 (741 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

LG's are truly dread full. I urge everyone with one to email/get in touch with LG.
I hope NO ONE gets hurt in future.
I cannot believe how cheaply they are made, for how well they look on the outsides, I hope front loader ones aren't as bad, otherwise LG is truly ruining its high reputation.


Post# 587946 , Reply# 4   4/8/2012 at 15:02 (741 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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The load is balled up in what looks like a sheet. The 2004 LG front loader I had would never allow itself to spin with an unbalance that extreme. Does anyone know what the balance sensing mechanism is like in these? Looks like they just need a lever to pop the timer dial out. Pitiful indeed.


Post# 587951 , Reply# 5   4/8/2012 at 15:54 (741 days old) by DirectDriveDave (Long Island, NY)        

Glad I never owned any of their cheap appliances.


Oddly enough, the only LG product that has been well built are their phones.




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Post# 587972 , Reply# 6   4/8/2012 at 19:45 (740 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
LG Products

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The funny thing is that I just replaced my LG CP, and the thing lasted almost 5 years [ I kept thing that I was going to have to stop mean mouthing LG products ] Anyway when I upgraded to a new smart phone at the Sprint store they told me that I had only had the phone a little over two years as I had forgotten that it had to be replaced once. I guess I am just like all those MT owners that say that this machine was NEVER repaired and we haul them away and find several replaced parts in them. O well LOL.

 

Mean while I will keep my eye out for an LG TL washer so we can do a sight and sound video of it blowing up, maybe this would be good at Kevin's wash-in.


Post# 587984 , Reply# 7   4/8/2012 at 20:35 (740 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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John, I was thinking the same thing! We need one for Kevin's (yard) to experiment with. Or maybe exploding washer-play on Jon's lawn at the Cape...


Post# 588027 , Reply# 8   4/9/2012 at 05:20 (740 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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Seems to me it always seems to be the same thing..

I bet you this person washed bedding on the normal cycle. I see what looks like a blanket in the tub...

I still find it amazing that these machines can destroy themselves like this..

I wonder how many more youtube videos have to be made before they do a recall?



Post# 588030 , Reply# 9   4/9/2012 at 05:23 (740 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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Gangsky, I highly agree.

If these machines weren't worth $1200 each...

I would love to see a video of one of these machines destroying themselves.



Post# 588043 , Reply# 10   4/9/2012 at 06:45 (740 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Television!

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This guy needs to contact his local TV News and have them do another story about these machines.

I especially appreciate not only the self destruction, but trash the house too, why don't ya.

Shame they're such PRETTY machines.

Malcolm


Post# 588044 , Reply# 11   4/9/2012 at 06:45 (740 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Sounds like the owner has to do some talking to the dealer where he bought the washer from--this should be a warrantee-refund issue.And talk to his insurance company adjuster.Would think LG should be responsible for a replacement washer-possibly dryer if it no longer works from damage-and damage to the house.Won't buy LG machines no matter how pretty they look.Hope my new LG phone battery doesn't explode in my pocket!I may look into getting a diffrent brand of cellphone.Samsung seems to be pretty good.

Post# 588047 , Reply# 12   4/9/2012 at 07:02 (740 days old) by teknikleespekng (Long Island, NY)        

This is very disturbing for at least three reasons.

One, could you imagine if someone was near the machine while it started to tear itself apart? Would you even want to go and pull the power? Two, that a machine would allow itself to self-destruct like that. Three, that LG could potentially blame the consumer for not choosing the proper cycle and therefore avoiding any responsibility or liability.

If that machine wasnt enclosed I cant imagine what it might have done.


Post# 588052 , Reply# 13   4/9/2012 at 07:35 (740 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Walls

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Thanks goodness the dryer and the wall were there to stop it. It could have pulled the hoses off and flooded the house.

Malcolm


Post# 588054 , Reply# 14   4/9/2012 at 07:48 (740 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady- Birthplace of Elec-Trak, Lucalox & ALCO Engines)        
YEs lets get one for Kevin's wash in!

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I'l have my ZOOM lens with me!



Post# 588089 , Reply# 15   4/9/2012 at 11:20 (740 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
KA-BOOM!

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Means that your laundry is done.

Malcolm


Post# 588125 , Reply# 16   4/9/2012 at 14:59 (740 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Laughing Malcolm you brought tears to my eyes !
Thanks I needed that today .
Woooooooo to funny. Laughing

 

Darren k

 

 

 

 


Post# 588132 , Reply# 17   4/9/2012 at 15:24 (740 days old) by macboy91si (Lexington, KY)        
Easter Egg Landry Hunt

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Yeah, you just gotta go collect it, that's what makes laundry day fun. OR.... fill it with easter eggs in the yard and invite the neighborhood children over later for a hunt.

 

Some banter that would surly follow...

 

"It was a terrible washer, but a wonderful random vector generator..."

 

"The LG Easter Egg placer is perfect for your family events: simply load, press start, stand back 500ft. and voila! The kids will never find all of these eggs."

(Also works with the soon to be ex-boyfriends possessions in one of the heart-breaking "on the lawn" scenes)

 

"I'm one sock and 2 pillow slips short... oh there it is [looking up at ceiling]... Anyone seen the cat?"

 

"It appears that we have been transported back to 1973..."

 

 

 

=Tim=


Post# 588190 , Reply# 18   4/9/2012 at 19:00 (739 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Exploding LGs

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Malcolm and Tim you guys are too funny, Jason has me on the lookout for an LG TL washer that hasn't already exploded so we can do some basic research.       OUTSIDE the shop.


Post# 588195 , Reply# 19   4/9/2012 at 19:23 (739 days old) by westie2 (Siloam Springs, Arkansas)        

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I have tried for a long time to tell people not to get the LG anything after the horrid time Peteski/Peter had with his combo.  JUNK!

 


Post# 588243 , Reply# 20   4/9/2012 at 21:18 (739 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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To Combo52:

Good luck!

Personally, I'd like to see this happen:

Guy: "Uhmm... My washer blew up.. Please exchange."
Shop: "OK."
-A little while later-
Guy: "My washer blew up again. Please exchange."
Shop: "Uhmm... That's a little unusual... but OK.."
-A little while later-
Guy: "My washer blew up yet again. Please exchange."
Shop: "What the heck are you doing to blow up three washers?!?!"
-Shop watches guy blow up washer-
Shop: "Oh. Wow. Here, why don't we sell you on these nice new Speed Queens..."


Post# 588306 , Reply# 21   4/10/2012 at 02:02 (739 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I guess its going to be for the exploded washer-next step-LG washer vs KRUSHER!Can the owner select the type of krusher to be used?Lets see-Marathon Galaxy,Leach 2R,EZ Pack Goliath,Pak-Mor,ETC.

Post# 588317 , Reply# 22   4/10/2012 at 06:22 (739 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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But it's not only LG

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Post# 588318 , Reply# 23   4/10/2012 at 06:27 (739 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
LG washer vs KRUSHER

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I dont think it would take such a heavy duty krusher to do this one, I reckon a good solid kicking with steel toe cap boots will finish it off no problem plus it has already done most of the work already ;-)

I wonder if LG stands for "Low Grade" :-)



Post# 588320 , Reply# 24   4/10/2012 at 06:35 (739 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Or lets take that blown up LG washer to the "range"Some target practice on it will reduce it to metal bits for recycling-what metal thats in it-rest plastic!At the quality of metal today--a .22 would easily shoot thru it!

Post# 588351 , Reply# 25   4/10/2012 at 08:26 (739 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Perhaps they should pack the machines with a trash bag, like x-mas trees!

"SAVE THIS BAG"


Post# 588365 , Reply# 26   4/10/2012 at 09:06 (739 days old) by teknikleespekng (Long Island, NY)        
Shame on Maytag

Im guessing whoever that guy spoke to was not someone high up the chain. This is what is great about the internet and modern technology. Word of this gets out immediately to a wide audience. This type of failure and lack of responsibility from the manufacturers is deplorable! They need to be held accountable.

Post# 588394 , Reply# 27   4/10/2012 at 11:08 (739 days old) by dj-gabriele (Bologna (ITALY))        
LG is truly ruining its high reputation

I wasn't aware they ever had "high reputation" common saying over here is that they're expensive POS!

Post# 588432 , Reply# 28   4/10/2012 at 14:31 (739 days old) by teknikleespekng (Long Island, NY)        
My contribution

Just so you guys know I do have a sense of humor XD

Although this is not a toploader, this is such a great video! I found this months ago when I was researching new machines. Enjoy!



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Post# 588438 , Reply# 29   4/10/2012 at 14:52 (739 days old) by DirectDriveDave (Long Island, NY)        
Question

Why is it that a lot of these machine's suspension systems are always hanging the machine tub from the top instead of just supporting from the bottom like on DD machines, Speed Queens, older Maytags, you get the idea.




Post# 588453 , Reply# 30   4/10/2012 at 17:16 (738 days old) by dj-gabriele (Bologna (ITALY))        

About the washer distruction video: I must say that the Hotpoint washer is so much better built than I tought!

Post# 588535 , Reply# 31   4/11/2012 at 00:59 (738 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

That Hotpoint FL machine was tough-held up for a long time despite transformers and motors thrown into it while it was spinning at and above full speed.At the beginning of the video-looked and sounded like he was using the machine as a flourescent bulb crusher!At the very end-the belt must have blown-but the motor still worked-and the suspension was blown,too.This makes me think of the "golf club" man that liked to throw golf clubs and sledgehammers into a DD TL washer while it was spinning.

Post# 588548 , Reply# 32   4/11/2012 at 05:48 (738 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Suspension on Top Loaders

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I wonder if there's even enough space for a suspension system below the tubs of these high-capacity washers.

Post# 588551 , Reply# 33   4/11/2012 at 06:12 (738 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

At how large designers are making tubs and drums these days-could the bolt down be making a comeback-now the defective or unbalanced machine will shake your house apart!Some equipment builders love the huge capacity drums and tubs-soon no room in the cabinet for the suspension mechanism!

Post# 588586 , Reply# 34   4/11/2012 at 09:36 (738 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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Does this mean I should be worried?I have a G.E. Harmony that is well at least 7 years old it was made by L.G. and has been a great washer not one problem.This machine was bought right when they came out with the see through glass and that heater in it which I love I could make that thing wash for 12 hours if I wanted to and still after all these years have not used every cycle which would be impossible.The spin speed is quite high for a top load and I always extend my spin but I can see how these things could fly apart now that I look at it and this machine is like a Lego because the tops switch out.This machine gets heavy use like my dishwashers,disposers,A.T.V.s,Etc.I torture my machines always have....


Post# 588590 , Reply# 35   4/11/2012 at 10:06 (738 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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This was the picture that was always on GE's Harmony homepage. Don't know if they made the tub larger in that photo or not - but it sure looks huge.

Post# 588640 , Reply# 36   4/11/2012 at 14:38 (738 days old) by dj-gabriele (Bologna (ITALY))        
@volsboy1: G.E. Harmony... heater in it

Wow, a top loader with a heater for the USA market? What model is that? I'm so curious!

Post# 588704 , Reply# 37   4/11/2012 at 23:43 (737 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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My first thought after watching the hotpoint blowing up was, "Well, that's ONE way to remove the tub out of the machine..."

It was my understanding that at one point in time, Whirlpool engineers actually deliberately tested their top loaders to see how fast they could spin before they blew apart.

The video of the Maytag blowing up is a different kind of failure. In that case, a suspension part failed, which caused the machine to destroy itself. I suppose if the machine had been designed properly, it would have stopped earlier.


Post# 588712 , Reply# 38   4/12/2012 at 00:56 (737 days old) by thomasortega (Brazil)        
Dumb question...

Why do people still want to have 356246346567453564563646 RPM spins?

It's perfectly understandable that higher speed spins reduce drying times = it saves energy and money.

But... After certain point, 100 RPM more won't make any noticeable difference...

So... why insist on 1000RPM+ in a modern top loader? 500 rpm is ridiculous, 600 rpm is poor, 700 rpm is OK, 800rpm is great. 900 RPM is even better, but has some small risks. 1000RPM won't make any difference (maybe save 2 dollars per century on drying costs and it has lots of risks... more than that is simply INSANE!


Thanks to the marketing departments, what comes next? Machines with airbags? Machines with spin cycle designed by Boeing? what do they want? the idea is spin out the water, not wring a pair of jeans through one of the drum holes.


Post# 588718 , Reply# 39   4/12/2012 at 01:52 (737 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Folks are speed crazy these days-hi revving car engines-higher speed wood routers-5,000RPM 10" table saws(usual is 3,000)And hence high revving spin speed washers.Never mind that they tear themselves apart along with your clothes.And another hi speed dental drills---120,000+ RPM!open wide!Gunsmiths also like the high speed dental drills for gun engraving.

Post# 588764 , Reply# 40   4/12/2012 at 11:57 (737 days old) by teknikleespekng (Long Island, NY)        

Thomas - because American consumers tend for the most part to be gullible. If they are "told" that is what they need, then that's what they want. No offense guys, but I dont need a 60" television. I dont have a large living room and my 34" widescreen is plenty for me. Formula 1, hockey and football are plenty big. Plus I still have a Panasonic CRT Tau HDTV. Crystal clear picture. No loss of picture from any angle, no burning of screen, no lamp to replace. And, I dont want a car that parks itself or has an electronic transmission, or a push to start ignition.

I dont know where its all going to end, but I definitely dont like the trends.


Post# 588882 , Reply# 41   4/12/2012 at 21:23 (736 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        
dj-gabriele 's here ya go...

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My G.E. is well here is a pic I had to use my camera cause, well I didn't want to sit on it and being onelegged  is hard at times to drag things.


Post# 588883 , Reply# 42   4/12/2012 at 21:24 (736 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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Sorry wrong pic that's the front stupid H.T.C. phone...


Post# 588885 , Reply# 43   4/12/2012 at 21:34 (736 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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This machine has been the best G.E. anything I have ever had but sense it's made by L.G. I think, cause it looks just like one just smaller.The heater is below the wash plate at the bottom and takes forever to heat.That is one thing I love about Europe 220V but here most people still think 110-120 V is safer but it's not.Well in my book it's not I watched a friend die from a lamp and a chain wrapped around his hand and he just froze.I was like 9 and thought he was playing but no he died..


Post# 588888 , Reply# 44   4/12/2012 at 21:40 (736 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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To Thomas:

> Why do people still want to have 356246346567453564563646 RPM spins?

Personally? I would love to see a machine which spins at 356,246,346,567,453,564,563,646 RPM.

That would be 5,937,439,109,457,559,409,394 revolutions every second.

The G forces on your clothing would be so extreme, your clothes would be torn apart by the holes in the tub and would be quickly sucked through to the outer tub.

In other words, at the end of the spin cycle, the machine wouldn't have anything clothing left in it. Any clothing left on the bottom of the tub (If it didn't get ripped) would have had pressures so extreme placed on it that they would be turned into diamonds...

I suppose that's one way to take care of dirty clothes...


Post# 588889 , Reply# 45   4/12/2012 at 21:43 (736 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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Come to think of it.. can you imagine the kind of noises a machine spinning that fast would make? The inner tub would be well past the speed of sound.. not to mention the amount of current the motor would be drawing...

My thinking was, you'd need an electric motor the size of a house to drive the tub that fast...


Post# 588907 , Reply# 46   4/12/2012 at 22:58 (736 days old) by thomasortega (Brazil)        
@qualin

That would be really fun. A real "diamond drum" machine.



Post# 592059 , Reply# 47   4/25/2012 at 13:08 (724 days old) by JaredH (Dallas,Texas)        
um...excuse me?......

like i did not see the LG Bashing on here... either A.i got lucky or B. they all got lemons. i happen to have a WaveForce in my home and it is great. no trouble at all. one to two years of reliable service-that is what we have had. no issues. the HE3T it replaced...not so much. i believe LG is a great brand.

Post# 592217 , Reply# 48   4/26/2012 at 01:27 (723 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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Hey Jared,

I personally don't have anything against LG myself, but I thought I should clarify why people are doing the bashing...

Just some advice.. If you ever decide to wash a comforter (Or for that matter, Any kind of bedding) in your machine, always make sure to use the bedding setting.

The people with the detonated machines seem to all be washing bedding on the normal cycle. I think it's because the machine tries to ramp up to a high speed spin as if there was normal clothing in the tub, but fails.

The LG bashing is because the engineers who designed their machines decided to scrimp on a component which could prevent this kind of thing from happening.

Yes, it is user error that is causing the problem, but like anything, it is my humble opinion that no machine should "self destruct" because a user made an error.

Instead, any electronically controlled appliance should take an "Adaptive Failure" approach. Adaptive failure is when something happens which causes an abnormal situation, so the computer takes the best action to try and preserve the functionality of the machine without completely disabling it.

An excellent example is a pinball machine with rollovers with spell "SPECIAL". If all of the rollovers are spotted, the player scores a free game. Let's say that the letter "A" rollover stops working... Players would be unable to spot all of the the letters, hence nobody could ever get a free game.

If the software was designed with adaptive failure in mind, the machine would notice that for the last 20 plays, nobody has ever spotted the "A", which would be a statistical anomaly. So, the machine would throw an error code and would disable the "A" rollover, allowing players to spot every letter except for that one to get a free game.

Unfortunately, the functionality of the machine is diminished, but only in the players favor and to the disadvantage of the machine operator. The machine is still very playable and can still continue to take in income, rather than the machine having a big "OUT OF ORDER" sign on it and being shut off, which would result in the machine not taking in any income at all.

A fatal error is defined as when something happens that the computer cannot cope with whatsoever and as a result, it completely shuts down the machine and throws an error code. This not only breaks functionality of the machine completely, but renders it useless until the problem is corrected.

An excellent example of a "Fatal" error is the infamous BSOD, or Blue Screen of Death, which Microsoft is so famous for.

The problem is, software in washing machines is only a relatively new thing. Computers have only been in washing machines since 1978 and there is a lot of new technologies which are completely unproven yet.

It is easier for a developer to write an error routine which produces a fatal error which stops the machine than to write a routine which allows for adaptive failure. (The solution for most consumers when it comes to fatal errors is to power cycle the machine and hope for the best. That's not the best solution.)

Now, what LG should have done was place a $12 accelerometer on the outer tub and monitored what the tub was doing when the machine engaged in a spin cycle. If the machine noticed that the outer tub was banging from side to side, it should know that there is a problem and reduce the spin speed.

In this case, what I'm seeing is that the machine is destroying itself, not realizing that something bad is happening and when the computer does finally see an anomaly, it just produces a fatal error saying, "By the way, I have a problem! The tub is unbalanced!" ... but this is only after the machine is in pieces. :( This is kind of like closing the barn door after all the horses have run away.

If the developer had programmed in an adaptive failure routine, the comforter would still be dripping wet at the end of the cycle, but at least it would be clean and the machine would still be intact.

In that situation, the owner of the machine would scratch their head, wonder why on Earth their comforter is still wet and they would either read the manual to find out why (Yeah right) or they would call LG's technical support, only to be told, "Did you wash your comforter on the normal setting?" ... at which point in time, the consumer would be educated as to why that's a bad idea.

So, this is a classic example of three different things:

1. A new technology comes out that is untested and has imperfections in it.
2. The software developers who wrote the code didn't think of everything.
3. The hardware engineers didn't put in the necessary components to stop this from happening.

This is an excellent example of when the hardware does not stop the software from doing something stupid.

Google for "Therac-25" .. This is an excellent example of when software isn't designed properly and the hardware isn't designed with the right safeties in place to stop the software from doing stupid things.

(To make a long story short, people were killed because the X-Ray operator used the cursor up button to correct a setting. A software bug transformed the X-Ray machine into a death ray without the operators knowledge. A hardware interlock would have stopped this from happening.)


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Post# 592325 , Reply# 49   4/26/2012 at 11:39 (723 days old) by william637 (Durham, NC)        
Excellent Synopsis

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That was a great post qualin. Really liked your examples.

Post# 592435 , Reply# 50   4/27/2012 at 00:27 (722 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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Thanks! I think these LG machines are another Therac-25. (Except without all of radiation induced deaths... I can't even think about what the heck would have to be going wrong with a washing machine for it to be producing lethal levels of x-rays.)

Personally, I wish I could get my hands on one of these machines for very very very cheap, get a videocamera and a tripod and put up a video on youtube of the washer destroying itself, after "Innocently" making the mistake of washing a comforter on the normal setting.

I would personally mail a DVD of it to the CEO of LG too if I could.


Post# 592436 , Reply# 51   4/27/2012 at 00:32 (722 days old) by thomasortega (Brazil)        

Another typical programmed obsolescence attitude.

The consumer buys the machine, makes a little mistake that destroys t and then he's told that it was his fault...

The consumer then believes it and then buys the same model again.

And "nothing" can be done to the manufacturer because it can be considered a misuse (not a mistake)


Post# 592457 , Reply# 52   4/27/2012 at 07:18 (722 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Bashing LG & Sansung Appliances

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 Is completely unnecessary as their washers do this automatically,     LOL.


Post# 592492 , Reply# 53   4/27/2012 at 11:08 (722 days old) by thomasortega (Brazil)        

Soon the machines will come with a "Best before" information on the label, just like food.

Post# 593040 , Reply# 54   4/30/2012 at 01:46 (719 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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All bashing aside, just to summarize, I don't believe that any appliance should ever "Self-Destruct" if it is used with improper settings.

The QA people should know that users will abuse and misuse their products, when they blow up, there will be lawsuits. (Even though technically, it is their fault.)

I think instead of complaining about it, we really should make our voices heard and mention quite firmly to the right people, "Hey, you made a mistake, fix it." instead of saying, "You suck. lulz..."

In saying that, I'm going to bed. :)


Post# 593074 , Reply# 55   4/30/2012 at 08:01 (719 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Self-Destructing LGs

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I am sure they are well aware of the problem and if they don't do it on their own I hope the Feds will force a recall and LG can pay back a little of the money into our economy that they stole by dumping there junk in the first place. When LG and Samsung first came into the market around here they signed up lots of independent appliance repair companies and then refused to pay them the agreed apron rates after they did the repair work. Needless this left left a bad frist impression that they have done nothing to fix to this day. Every day we have people calling to get this junk repaired and every company is telling the customer the same thing NO call LG or Samsung and you can pay through the noise for their Factory approved Service. I think that is one of the reasons we see so many LG, Samsung, Bosch and Miele appliances on the scrap pile after a few years.


Post# 594047 , Reply# 56   5/3/2012 at 21:28 (715 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady- Birthplace of Elec-Trak, Lucalox & ALCO Engines)        
Miele doesn't pay either John?

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That surprises me.

Qualin, that post about the Therac machine is frightening but all too typical with new technology that is not overseen by one person stepping back and looking at the whole picture. And in the judgement no one stated there should also be hardware controls in place, all they talked about were the bad software controls. You are right hardware controls still have their place to prevent user errors and mechanical failure errors. Thats why all this electric steering in cars scares me!


Post# 594062 , Reply# 57   5/3/2012 at 23:51 (715 days old) by thomasortega (Brazil)        

For those wanting to see a "live" explosion, here it goes...

Found on youtube today.


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Post# 594676 , Reply# 58   5/6/2012 at 19:07 (712 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Meile Dosn't pay for Warranty serice

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Jon I actually don't know what Meile pays for warranty service, I was trying to say that many folks get fed up with repair costs and just get a better priced more practicable machine. Just think of all the people that once owned a MB, BMW, Audi Etc. Etc.


Post# 594821 , Reply# 59   5/7/2012 at 10:27 (712 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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I guess it is the other way around too. For those who bought an American machine overhere in the Netherlands, it is hard to get service and the costs are sky high. I guess it makes sense to buy something that was manufactured on the continent where you live.

Post# 596305 , Reply# 60   5/13/2012 at 22:34 (705 days old) by laundryboy (Syracuse NY)        
Rut Ro Raggy....

I have the exact set in my laundry room, I hope they dont blow up like his did..

Post# 596319 , Reply# 61   5/13/2012 at 23:31 (705 days old) by thomasortega (Brazil)        
@Laundryboy

Just in case, If I were you, I would send a very kind email to LG asking them for a refound and I'd buy any other machine that won't blow.

If they don't refound you, ok... I'm almost sure that they will send you a reply saying that you don't need to worry because their machine is marvelous and those incidents were isolated, blah, blah, blah...

If someday your machine blows, that reply plus a good lawyer will be the same as winning the lottery. You tried to get rid of it but they insisted to keep that machine in your house.

You can guess the psychological trauma it caused when it blew. You can also guess the psychologist you have to go costs only $1000 per hour and you'll have to be treated for at least 200 years, 25 hours a day, 8 days a week, 13 months per year.


LOL i'm evil tonight!


Post# 596468 , Reply# 62   5/14/2012 at 13:45 (705 days old) by donprohel (I live in UK, but I am Italian)        
Evil?

Maybe you are evil, thomasortega, but yours seems to me a very sensible suggestion: does not cost a dime, but might be useful

Post# 596520 , Reply# 63   5/14/2012 at 17:44 (704 days old) by thomasortega (Brazil)        

Yes, Evil...
If I lived in the U.S. I'd buy at least one or two of those... maybe 10 or more... and wait for the explosion LOL

Eeeeeeeeeeeasy money. Hahahahahhahahah

Now, that was evil, of course it was a joke and I would never do something anti-ethical like that.


Post# 596594 , Reply# 64   5/15/2012 at 04:17 (704 days old) by PhilR (Montreal Canada)        

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It's hard to believe all these new washers from different brands self-destruct so quickly! After watching these videos, I think if Frigidaire reintroduced their cheap Agi-Tub washers today, they'd probably have one of the top rated washers in terms of durability!  Well, maybe not but I honestly can't complain about mine! It still works like new after almost 40 years (but probably very low usage!). And has anyone seen an old washer (even those with high spin speeds) self-destruct like that?


Post# 596617 , Reply# 65   5/15/2012 at 07:23 (704 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Exploding Washers

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I was talking to Kevin the other day and he passed on some good information from another member as to why this may be happening. Apparently things like mattress pads often have a plastic layer in them which holds water as the machine starts to spin, so the computer thinks that the load is balanced as it accelerates. Then at some point in the acceleration the water escapes when the basket is spinning at a high speed probably well over 800 RPMs and the basket is suddenly badly unbalanced, this would be similar to dropping a cinder block in a spinning washer. Some of you may have seen the video where someone was abusing an old FL washer by doing just that and you saw what happened.

 

Maybe Robert will loan us an old Frigidaire Unimatic so we can test this in an older washer, while a Unimatic wouldn't fly apart as dramatically as a new LG my guess is it wouldn't be pretty and the washer and outer tub would likely be badly damaged.


Post# 596688 , Reply# 66   5/15/2012 at 13:36 (704 days old) by Mikeske (Washington State)        

I am glad that my wife insisted that we buy a old style top loader Speed Queen and not one of these new fangled exploders. My wife looked cloasly at the new style but did not want to have the hassle of another HE machine after the misadventure of the Samsung-Maytag Neptune that we had.

The whole thing is the engineering on the new style washers leaves something to be desired. The question is really why the unbalanced sensor, the computers programming should have caught the unbalance condition.

Engineering something like that should not be what we call in the aviation field tombstone engineering, but when someone is serously hurt or killed then the lawsuits will happen and then the companies will be paying out a lot of money, I actually am surprised that LG has not had a class action lawsuit against them for the the exploding washers.

the companies are building these machines with huge capacities and then saying they are not responsible and acting like the folks who are using them are to blame. Build something out of plastic and not exporing the worst case in testing is not the way to do it.


Post# 596717 , Reply# 67   5/15/2012 at 16:29 (704 days old) by thomasortega (Brazil)        

The plastic isn't the guilty.

The kind of plastic plus stupid RPM and dumb engineering is!

Mueller machines are 100% made of plastic, they NEVER rust and after many tests simulating the worst situations a machine would stand in a standard home, considering the worst kind of consumers, the machine didn't blow like the LGs.

After more than 15 years on the market, their all plastic spin dryer still one of the best machines here. NEVER a consumer complained it exploded. By never i mean really never, not even a single unit.

With their new front loader is the same. The machine is designed to be safe.


Post# 596784 , Reply# 68   5/16/2012 at 04:09 (703 days old) by qualin (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)        

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Just got back from vacation...

It's a shame that youtube video was taken down.. I would have liked to have seen it.

Like Thomas said, it's not really the plastic bits that are the problem.

Instead, I do have to admit that LG seems to be making some engineering compromises so they can get larger capacities in their machines... but that's for another thread.


Post# 599631 , Reply# 69   5/29/2012 at 09:18 (690 days old) by cullennewsom ()        
Whirlpool Maytag washer explosion video removed

Looks like Whirlpool Maytag are DMCA abusers. Too bad no one saved it.



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