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Post# 597517   5/19/2012 at 11:19 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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I just got back from a little washing machine "retreat" down at Ben's in Waterloo. One of the projects that we worked on was bringing a 1953 Maytag AMP back to life. This machine had been procured a number of years ago and was definitely a "low-milage" machine. The only problem with the machine was that the timer motor had failed. Ben had already procured a replacement timer. To replace the timer in this machine you need to remove the complete cabinet which is a two-man job. Here is a shot of the machine right before we pulled the cabinet off.




Post# 597520 , Reply# 1   5/19/2012 at 11:20 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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A money shot of the tub.

Post# 597523 , Reply# 2   5/19/2012 at 11:28 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Cabinet off. Water temp selector on left, escutcheon light in the center and timer on the right.

For those unfamiliar with the design of the AMP machine, this is actually a solid tub machine and from a functionally perspective works much like the solid tub Frigiaires, GEs, etc.

You have the outer blue-enameled tub. Inside of that is a second blue enameled solid tub to which the white enameled perforated basket liner is inserted. There is about 3/8" clearance between the tub liner and the solid inner tub. When this machine spins all of the water goes up and over the sides of the inner solid tub into the outer tub. From there it is pumped out. The only other manufacturer that used a perforated liner in the solid tub was the first year production of the Frigidaire Unimatic in 1947.


Post# 597524 , Reply# 3   5/19/2012 at 11:29 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Date stamp on the outer tub.

Post# 597526 , Reply# 4   5/19/2012 at 11:32 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Under the "skirt" from the back of the machine.

NOS AMP fill valve on the lower left.
Drive train in the center rear.
Water pump in the center front.
Spin/Brake solenoid upper right.
Motor on lower right.


Post# 597527 , Reply# 5   5/19/2012 at 11:33 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Now from the left side of the machine.

Post# 597529 , Reply# 6   5/19/2012 at 11:37 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Because the AMP machine senses the fill level from the float that sits in the center of agitator engaging a mercury switch in the lid, it isn't possible to watch an AMP fill.

UNLESS...you install a set of override switches on the back panel. Maytag actually manufactured a set of override switches for dealers to install on the back of the AMP for this purpose. That way Mrs. Housewife and her husband could be shown that the AMP basically washed clothes just like her trusty Maytag wringer, except AUTOMATICALLY.




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Post# 597530 , Reply# 7   5/19/2012 at 11:39 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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So...armed with the above picture and a good wiring diagram...

This is what we came up with.


Post# 597532 , Reply# 8   5/19/2012 at 11:44 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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The maiden fill in the picture below.

And THE maiden wash. Editing is a bit crude.

Here is the sequence of events:
1. End of fill and beginning of agitation (actuated manually by the override switches)
2. End of wash and beginning of first spin (the very loud bell-like sound you hear is actually the spin/brake solenoid engaging)
3. Spray rinse, spin out and beginning of rinse fill.
4. A few seconds of early 50s glamor!


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Post# 597533 , Reply# 9   5/19/2012 at 11:44 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Timer close-up

Post# 597534 , Reply# 10   5/19/2012 at 11:48 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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More glamor

And then, just because we could (with the assistance of the override switches) we decided that instead of a boring deep rinse, we would perform what may have been the first "Overflow Rinse" ever performed in an AMP.

Forgive us, Fred Mayatg! :)


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Post# 597535 , Reply# 11   5/19/2012 at 11:52 (4,359 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan)        
AMP

Would LOVE TO see the vid but link dosent work!

Post# 597536 , Reply# 12   5/19/2012 at 12:05 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Links repaired.

Post# 597543 , Reply# 13   5/19/2012 at 13:03 (4,359 days old) by in2itdood ()        
Love it!

So very cool! Thanks for sharing!

Post# 597551 , Reply# 14   5/19/2012 at 14:24 (4,359 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

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Brings back bunches of memories.  This is the first washer my parents owned.  I don't know when they bought it, but I was born in 1951 and I know my diapers were washed in it.  Mom loved it because it had 2 deep rinses.  I loved it because it had the lighted 'Maytag' sign on the front!

 

Thanks for sharing the video - you both done good.

 

Lawrence


Post# 597557 , Reply# 15   5/19/2012 at 15:22 (4,359 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Thanks for sharing the videos

2 deep rinses?!? Maytag top loading automatics did not offer two deep rinses until the Extra Rinse option in the machines with the back slanted control panel. They just labeled the spin spray rinse where most manufacturers did not. That was why it was so laughable in the 06 series when they said to use the Perma Press cycle if you wanted extra rinsing, counting on the cool down with incomplete water extraction & shortened spins to serve as extra rinsing.

Interesting that you comented on the turnover in the rinse and showed the pilow case corner that never got pulled under. The turnover in these was nowhere near what it was in the Maytag conventional washers and the two minute deep rinse was often insufficient time to completely pull the load under once it got air bubbles in the folds during the rinse fill. Kenmore's Pregnant Roto Swirls had trouble with sheets in the rinse also. I tired putting a Gyrator in an 06 series machine to see if the slightly increased number of oscillations per per minute would improve its action in the narrow tub of the automatics. It did not. At the slightly faster speed, it just formed lumps of clothes that did not turn over and tripped the OOB switch in drain. The Power Fin agitator was a great improvement.

I don't understand, with the two selections of Fill & Run, how you were able to get filling while agitating.


Post# 597565 , Reply# 16   5/19/2012 at 15:54 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Tom, I didn't wire the switches the way the "Dealer Demonstrator" switches were wired. I took some liberties. I can share the dirty details if you want to know exactly what I did. :)

Post# 597568 , Reply# 17   5/19/2012 at 16:22 (4,359 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Oh, we want all the dirt!  Spill it!  Then we'll wash up in the Maytag.  I remember bringing this washer home with Ben after he bought it.   It's one of the nicest AMP washers I've ever seen.  This lighted badge was just captivating -


Post# 597587 , Reply# 18   5/19/2012 at 18:01 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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OK - here's the dirt on what I did:

On the factory demonstrator switch the "Auto/Manual" switch was a spring loaded switch that would override the lid safety switch, and divert the power that was going to the lid to the adjacent "Fill/Run" switch. Long ago, Ben had wired around the lid safety switch making main power available at ALL times. This effectively eliminated the need to install the "Auto/Manual" switch.

The "Fill/Run" switch was a double pole, double throw switch without an "Off" in the middle. It functioned in exactly the same way that the fill level switch inside the lid did. Since the "Auto/Manual" switch had disabled power into the lid, this switch then became the "water level" sensor.

What I decided to do was to put a fill circuit by-pass on one switch and mount it upside down. The second switch is a main motor & timer motor interupter switch. It is mounted right-side up.

When the fill circuit by-pass switch is up (off), the fill valve only receives power when the lid is down and the float has not pressed up on the black water level sensor. In normal operation, when the float rises, it pushes on the black water level sensor thereby OPENING the fill circuit and CLOSING the motor & timer motor circuit.

When this switch is down or ON, it closes the fill circuit and opens the water valve whenever the machine is in an "agitate" section on the timer. This is necessary for use with the lid open because when the lid is open on this machine, the water level sensor switch falls back into the "full" position and agitation begins immediately with a dry tub. When you fill the machine with this override switch you have to manually turn the switch off (UP) when you have reached the correct water level.

Now, the motor interupter switch is there so that when the lid is up the motors do not start as soon as you engage the power through the timer switch. When this switch is down the circuit is open and when the switch is up the circuit is closed. So, with the lid open, you must start with both switches in the DOWN position. When the machine is filled you put both switches in the UP position to stop filling and begin agitation.

IF, however, you push the fill by-bass switch DOWN while the machine is agitating, it will open the water valve, thus allowing you to do an "overflow" wash or rinse. :)

Also, the wiring is such that if both switches are in the UP position AND the lid is down, the machine will function completely normally and automatically.

Hope that helps.



Post# 597590 , Reply# 19   5/19/2012 at 18:28 (4,359 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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This was the first washer my brothers and I rebuilt, we did this in 1966. We completely dissembled the machine down to the last gear replacing any bad or worn parts. We then used this machine for a little over a year as our families only washer for all 7 of us. After about a year it was pretty clear to my Mother that this washer did not do nearly as good a job cleaning and did an especially poor job rinsing the laundry as compared to my parents 1955 Kelvinator or the 1960 Franklin built CO-OP washers did. So I replaced it with a 1959 LKM that a Friend of Moms gave me, this was the first WP built washer my brothers and I rebuilt, It was light years better in performance in all respects to the AMP.

 

I also have a 1951 AMP thanks to Bob of Hollywood and I have like Ben the matching water condensing dryer. Thanks for your wonderful post about this machine, maybe it will encourage me to check out the matching dryer.

 

Philco in the early 1960s also had a perforated liner in a solid basket washer.


Post# 597598 , Reply# 20   5/19/2012 at 18:52 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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John, thanks for letting me know about the 1960s Philcos. I did not know that.

I desperately want to work on that water film dryer with Ben but he seems reticent. How did those dryers perform compared to a 1952 Filtrator?


Post# 597601 , Reply# 21   5/19/2012 at 19:11 (4,359 days old) by Mixguy (St. Martinville, Louisiana)        
Economy model?

Did there exist a machine styled like this one? Having a timed fill and an agitator having no center post. Also having a decal emblem instead of the lighted "on" indicator.

Post# 597603 , Reply# 22   5/19/2012 at 19:22 (4,359 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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The 121P had a timed fill and a decal emblem instead of a lighted escutcheon, but according to the pictures I have it had a standard center-post gyratator similar to what the wringer machines had (it was not interchangeable with a wringer agitator, though, because of the location of the spline in the two agitators differed.) Are you referring to a center post-less agitator aka a "Blue Bell" (pictured below)?

To my knowledge an AMP with this agitator was never marketed, but then, you just never know with Maytag...


Post# 597611 , Reply# 23   5/19/2012 at 20:38 (4,359 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I don't think even Maytag would try to cheapen an automatic down to a no post Gyrator. They tangled the load too badly for it to spin with a balanced load. That would be very important for the Model A4MP, the timed fill model you are thinking about because it did not have an unbalance switch. That was in the lid of the AM series and this machine has no lid switches. It had a non-lighted escutcheon on the front.

Post# 597614 , Reply# 24   5/19/2012 at 20:45 (4,359 days old) by Mixguy (St. Martinville, Louisiana)        
Agitator of the Maytag Automatic

That is exactly the agitator I remembered. I saw this washer around 1961 and I was 5 yrs old at the time, it was replaced by a 3 cycle 2 speed Whirlpool around 1970. The old Maytag machine was moved to a storage shed and remained there for years. I have no idea if the machine is still there

Post# 597616 , Reply# 25   5/19/2012 at 20:57 (4,359 days old) by Mixguy (St. Martinville, Louisiana)        
Awesome Restoration

You have that Maytag AMP washer looking great! Great that you shared your labor of love project for us all to see.

Post# 597646 , Reply# 26   5/19/2012 at 22:58 (4,359 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        
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Kieffer - I'm glad you didn't mention my arm in the shot.

John - I understand your appreciation for all appliances and brands-alike, but within this thread itself, I'd like to think that for a moment we don't need to be reminded of the differences between Maytag and their competitors - regardless if it is within the same model year or decade - and rather for a few minutes enjoy the fact that those who made the historic purchasing decisions did so, allowing us to enjoy the past, today.

Ben


Post# 597648 , Reply# 27   5/19/2012 at 23:09 (4,359 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
What a beautiful machine!

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Thanks for sharing!


Post# 597652 , Reply# 28   5/20/2012 at 00:01 (4,359 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
Mark and Ben...

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Excellent resto work there! Love the demo switches you added. This is a beautiful machine and you guys did a great job. It's fun when you have another washer enthusiast to help and looks like you guys had a great weekend working on machines. Thanks for the photos and video as well.

Cheers! - Patrick


Post# 597654 , Reply# 29   5/20/2012 at 00:19 (4,359 days old) by mixfinder ()        
So Much to See

It is fascinating to finally see under the lid and watch the AMP.  The dreading gravitating during the wash cycle is loud in the recording.  If I used it daily I'd find a way to squirt some liquid soap over the tub to soothe the pump.  I asked Andy why the AMPs only filled half full and his take on it compensates for no tub guard at the top for overflow of clothing into the outer tub.  The agitation is markedly more gently than the later Maytags but as we have discussed here the rate of roll over isn't always a judge of how clean the laundry is.  I am impressed with machines that go straight from agitating to spinning without a pause.  It seems more dramatic or border line violent.  I was interested to see how quickly the brake stopped the machine from a full spin and that the agitator was still spinning after the tub stopped which does not happen with helical Maytags.  The over flow rinse was cool indeed and it seemed that the higher water level didn't have much impact on clothes looking like they would go over the top of the tub.  Was the clicking during agitation a worn spline on the agitator or dry gears in the transmission?  This was so much fun to watch and after waiting 61 years I got to see what goes on under the covers.  In looking at the service manual it doesn't appear any changes were made in the mechanicals for the AMP for its entire run up to the Helical transmission of the Highlander.  The timed fill machines used a "wringer" type gyrator because the float wasn't used to activate the fill solenoid.  Thanks a million for sharing it all with us.


Post# 597721 , Reply# 30   5/20/2012 at 07:13 (4,358 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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I didnt realize it was possible to overide the fill and wash action with the lid open. Also I never thought it could do a overflow rinse.
Peter


Post# 597725 , Reply# 31   5/20/2012 at 07:22 (4,358 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Anything is possible when armed with basic electrical knowledge and a good electrical schematic diagram. Theoretically, ANY solid tub machine in which the pump runs continuously during agitation CAN do an overflow wash/rinse if the timer (or some sort of manual override) will allow for it.

Post# 597727 , Reply# 32   5/20/2012 at 07:46 (4,358 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I want an AMP!

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or better a 101!!



Post# 597737 , Reply# 33   5/20/2012 at 09:22 (4,358 days old) by Northwesty (Renton, WA)        
Thanks for the video - beautiful machine

I also watched the video of the 1958 Maytag, and it's rollover seemed fine. Internally the machines looked pretty similar so I am wondering what difference if any there would be.

Post# 597740 , Reply# 34   5/20/2012 at 09:35 (4,358 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Jon, Why? You saw Robert's back in 2001 and did not want one them. Why now?

Post# 597807 , Reply# 35   5/20/2012 at 16:05 (4,358 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Perhaps his newfound lust has something to do with how the agitator looks during the illicit and slightly lewd "overflow rinse"? ;)



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Post# 597834 , Reply# 36   5/20/2012 at 18:11 (4,358 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I'm sure it's not the first time he has seen something wet, half extended. and listing off center, performing in a mediocre manner. Maybe he was dazzled by seeing a float with complete chrome plating and no little brass-colored "O" on top.

Post# 597838 , Reply# 37   5/20/2012 at 18:21 (4,358 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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We better be careful before the webmaster scolds us.

Post# 597850 , Reply# 38   5/20/2012 at 19:55 (4,358 days old) by AutoWasherFreak ()        

Great job on the AMP. I the bell when it goes into the spin cycle. Interesting timer with the minutes in between the main times. Great videos too :-)


Post# 597851 , Reply# 39   5/20/2012 at 19:55 (4,358 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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AMP washers, Ben you should know me by now and I call appliances as I have experienced them, I am just as critical of WP, GE and WCI-Frigidair products as MT. I did exaggerate a little when I said that the 1959 LKM washer was superior to the AMP in all respects, because actually the AMP has a much better and faster spin brake, so the MT does indeed stop much faster than the LKM from what it is barely doing LOL. I know that you are a big fan of GM built automobiles and WP built laundry is truly the GM of laundry appliances. Both companies had nearly 50% of the market for years, they must have been doing something right.

 

Mark I to am very interested in trying out the early MT water condenser dryer, if you can't get Ben to get his running you can come visit anytime and we will fire up mine. As you probably know I have a 2nd generation MT water dryer from 1957 that is fully restored and it works very well. I would put it ahead of the original FD Filtrate-rs that were built through 1960, although the FD Filtrate rs from 1961-1968 were completely redesigned and much better performers.


Post# 597860 , Reply# 40   5/20/2012 at 21:00 (4,358 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I understand your appreciation for all appliances and brands-alike, but within this thread itself, I'd like to think that for a moment we don't need to be reminded of the differences between Maytag and their competitors - regardless if it is within the same model year or decade - and rather for a few minutes enjoy the fact that those who made the historic purchasing decisions did so, allowing us to enjoy the past, today.

I couldn't agree more with Ben, in most instances how a machine performs is not nearly as important as the drama its wash cycle creates, its condition, style and beauty, not to mention how rare the machine is. At least in my book that is what is most important. Under many circumstances performance is subjective to what is most important to each washer user anyways.


Post# 597870 , Reply# 41   5/20/2012 at 22:52 (4,358 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
Congrats on Your cool new AMP

Thank You Gentlemen for a fine thread and a bonus of 2 video's.  Your restoration work is well done and beautiful photography. I too, am addicted.  You gotta love that lighted Maytag badge.  I could tell it was a solid tub during the cycle portions when the pump was wanting some water.  A distant cousin to those thirsty Speed Queens.  alr


Post# 597876 , Reply# 42   5/20/2012 at 23:35 (4,358 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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Don't dissuade combo52 John from comparing the machines too much, a good critical review is the best way to learn about the vintage machines, and each models tendencies as to how they actually performed over the years

Post# 597887 , Reply# 43   5/21/2012 at 01:42 (4,358 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Mark and Ben what and event and a undertaking.
Ben it always good to see what you do best im always learning.
I have to say Mark I almost got that wringer washer but it
did not happen because of a not so pleasent man who had it in a back of his
truck and gave me the wrong address to get the wranger from him.
That was a true dissapointment..
love the shaftless Gyrator and blue tub.
THE BELL IS TO DIE FOR in the drain and spin mode ..That made my whole day.
Never heard that sound before and never knew it excisted.
Here is a regular gyrator with a blue tub someone posted here.
Darren k


Post# 597916 , Reply# 44   5/21/2012 at 06:22 (4,357 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Hey, John, "Fire up" is probably not that far off for describing the high temp scorching operation of the first water dryer.

Post# 597921 , Reply# 45   5/21/2012 at 06:54 (4,357 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Looks like another good time had on another restore Ben & Mark, videos are great, thats some pressure on that fill flume, nothing like a quick fill....never realised the detail of the inner inner & outer tub - thats what its all about for me the learning...



Post# 597924 , Reply# 46   5/21/2012 at 07:19 (4,357 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
Great machine . . .

. . . that was our first automatic and may have been the same year. It replaced a Thor automagic which I wish I still had.

My father nearly passed out when he discovered I had taken the lid apart and was operating the mercury switches by hand so that I could watch the action.

As I remember, it was then that I realized that you could set the dial in the large "off" space, and it would agitate and the timer would click all the way into the regular wash space.

Ours lasted 16 years and went through 3 children and one move to a new house. I was in college when it gave out and was replaced with a Frigidaire.

Jerry Gay


Post# 597944 , Reply# 47   5/21/2012 at 09:26 (4,357 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
TOM

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It is exactly the reasoning Ben & Robert gave, the fascination with how each manufacturer came to the table with a different solution and how they accomplished it. That is what holds my interest.

I could go head to head with John on Frigidiare VS KM or Bendix vs WP both have attributes and both have detriments. So no one machine is really better than another---are you listening John????

John was always terrified of the pump on motor design of the Bendix, and my machines are hitting 60 years now and they are still my daily drivers. Yes new pumps, BUT there isn't a machine in this club (except my 1957 Charcoal set) that hasn't' had a pump change in 60 years. So my point is---- Bendix is just as reliable as Kenmore ever could be. And a Maytag AMP is also just as reliable, it gets the laundry done, which is all the housewife ever wanted in the first place.

WE- want more from our machines, we want history, knowledge, experience, no one goes as deep into laundry as WE do, not even the Engineers building these products are as knowledgable as we are.
So I think a little perspective is important to keep in mind, we tend to split hairs which is all well and good but it should NEVER interfere with ANYONES enjoyment of this great hobby.




Post# 597946 , Reply# 48   5/21/2012 at 10:08 (4,357 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Cool old machine machine, guys! Glad you got it up and running. Very rare to see this kind of Maytag machine. We see centre dials, 50's to late 70's all the time. Don't see many AMPs at all though. Thanks for sharing the photos and video!

Post# 597947 , Reply# 49   5/21/2012 at 10:13 (4,357 days old) by KenmoreGuy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
Sometimes it is all about how things are said...

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and this reminds me of when I got my first car. I was 17 - many of us have fond menories of those times. In my case, it came after a year's battle with my Dad as he and I postured over what was going to park in the driveway, as we each were contributing half the purchase price.

My Dad and I finally settled on a brand and a car, with effects of that decision having an impact on me even to this day (good things). I took the car to school the first time, and a friend at lunch said "Oh, we had one of those! Nice car but the 4-cylinder engine (mine is a V8) made it the worst car we've ever owned".

My reaction was "Thanks Kevin, that tidbit does what for me now...?" While he was probably correct, I didn't buy that version, and even if I had, the comment was unnecessary at the given time.

Same thing here applies to our appliances. The point of our posts is to enjoy a re-born model for what it brings us, and to offer our enthusiasm to the rest of the group. Nobody is required to share another's appreciation. However we need to be considerate enough of others not to "rain on another's parade" or "Pee in someone's Cheerios" as we say here in the office. Doing so doens't accomplish anything except stiffle other's future enthusiasm.

Gordon


Post# 597951 , Reply# 50   5/21/2012 at 10:56 (4,357 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
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You guys made history--a beloved spray rinsing, gyrating Maytag that can now do the coveted Frigidairian overflow rinse. This is pure bliss! I was so happy and exciting watching, that I longed to be there so I could flip the switches and initiate a static overflow to see how its sound compared to that of the Unimatic when the motor is off and the water starts flowing into the outer tub. I tired to imagine this historic sound. Some day I hope to be there to hear it.

 

Soon after this model, Maytag moved the fill flume to direct the water spray directly onto the load in the tub and extended the spray to a full minute, (not sure how long yours sprays--a half from the Maytag DDD chart a few days ago?). When they did this, and it was a very long time ago, this they accomplished one of the best spray rinses in the business. Mark, I think the turnover just needed another minute to adjust its pattern to the higher level. Have seen this in my Conventionals. And then there was that irksome air pocket being stubborn.

 

So you made a fantasy come true. A genuine Maytag overflow. Thank you. And extra buttons to play with too. For what more can one ask?

 

Dearest John, our first disagreement: a Maytag will out-rinse a WP/KM any day of the week. There is no contest! It spins more soapy water out, (660 vs. 525?) and it sprays twice as long, 60 seconds vs. 28 sec. ( I hear ya: there's another 28 sec. after the WP/KM rinse.) Still, "nolo contendere."

 

Love,

 

Mike


Post# 597956 , Reply# 51   5/21/2012 at 11:31 (4,357 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Just up from the first swim of the day

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And while in the lake, I had a funny thought, thinking of the polished chrome dome gyrator rising higher and higher like a wiener swelling on the grill. YAYWink

 

And for the record, John's most sought after dream machine is a Maytag, a combo, yes, but a Maytag nonetheless.

 


Post# 597958 , Reply# 52   5/21/2012 at 11:39 (4,357 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

But Jon, my question was why now? You have watched this type of machine before or had the opportunity on visits to Robert's studio, but only now you say you want one.

Brenda Bendix, my Duomatic still has her original pump, too.


Post# 597983 , Reply# 53   5/21/2012 at 12:54 (4,357 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
MT does indeed stop much faster than the LKM from what it is

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ummmmmm, spinning. What a riot.

Just read the entire thread. So funny. Sorry for the double entendres, ie., penis jokes. Didn't know they had already been made. I really laughed hard. Thank you. Wish I could have been around for the weenie roast when it happened. John likes everybody and would never intentionally dissuade any of us, as any of you who know him already knew And it all came out in the wash. What a lovely wash we hang--as the old saying goes--at Automatic Washer. We cherish each other....madly, sometimes passionately. The heart, among other things, lifts up.


Post# 598023 , Reply# 54   5/21/2012 at 15:49 (4,357 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

Great machine! I love that bell sounding solenoid. Looks like the was no change from Robert's 49 to the 53 model. What year did Maytag begin using the black gyrotator instead of red in the AMP?

Post# 598128 , Reply# 55   5/22/2012 at 01:13 (4,357 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
re: Maytags RED bakelite....

I know my grandmothers Tag wringer required a new agitator because of "worn" splines, i still remember that the new one was black not the bright red, this was about 1965.  I do not know if this would apply to AMP agitators.  This factory color change was very traumatic and inconvenient for a 7 year old.  alr


Post# 598150 , Reply# 56   5/22/2012 at 06:14 (4,356 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1953 Maytag AMP Washer

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I would like to apologize to Ben and Mark for the poorly timed and placed comparison that I made between our families 1951 MT AMP and our 1959 LKM washers. You guys put a lot of effort into documenting this very cool machine which everyone including me enjoyed seeing running. I have over $700.00 invested in my MT AMP washer and water condensing dryer and have no plans of selling them.

 

Even thought the AMP and 59 LKM are almost 10 years apart in design and build for my families experience they were only a year apart so I always associate these two washers and early experiences are often very powerful in our memories. So to me it is like comparing a 1953 Nash Rambler to a 1959 Chrysler New Yorker [ both really cool cars ] but certainty an unfair and poorly placed comparison.

 

So once again Sorry, and keep up the good work, now we can see who gets the matching MT water condensing dryer running first.


Post# 598167 , Reply# 57   5/22/2012 at 08:27 (4,356 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
Very Very Nice

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Machine you all have there! Loved it!

Post# 598173 , Reply# 58   5/22/2012 at 09:06 (4,356 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Stand Up Guys

It has been my pleasure to meet Ben, John and Jon and have developed a pleasant friendship with Tom although we have never met. This is a case where a machine filters the humananity from the author. Ben is a mechanical genius, has accomplished so many things at such a young age, is a budding intellectual and one the kindest, most generous and unsuming people I have met. John can sound caustic in an email but I suspect it is a product of writing invoices for so many years and listing the pros and cons in bullet points. To meet John is to instantly want to know him more. How one man who is so busy can find the time to run a business, have a successful relationship, be a participating player in his family and then mentor and advise us all is almost unbelievable. John is kind, compassionate and insightful and can't wait for the next oppotunity to be together. I struggled with Jon. He is obviously a key player, has a great collection, loves to cook and collects all things house making yet I hadn't found an inroad for connection. Meeting Jon is Long Beach was a surprise to find such a brilliant continental gentleman but a witty, self effacing, warm and inclusive manner that made feel chagrinned for my former critical thoughts. I have always been drawn to Tom's amazing memory, his willingness to open up and share equally with us all and he has always been open and available to me on a number of subjects club related and personal. I might daresay Tom has been the recipient of as many pot shots and vitriol as any member in the group and somehow he finds the grace to continue with dignity and aplumb. Reading some of the posts in missing Longtimers hints of past flame ups have been alluded to. In the case of this thread we saw Ben simply ask for what he felt he wanted, John apologized and disarmed any issues and Tom and Jon had an opportunity to offer up what they do best, a little tongue in cheek tit for tat. In Andy's thread regarding his new coppertone Lady Kenmores I made a disparaging remark about agitators that quickly took the thread in a discussion of money and culture detracting from the beautiful machines. I was saddened by my selfishness and Andy was gracious enough not to hold it against me. I am so very proud to know these men and gratified for the thoughts we all have shared. You are an amazing man Ben and as always your work is nothing short of genius.

Post# 598186 , Reply# 59   5/22/2012 at 10:03 (4,356 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
oo now

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this thread is going all warm and fuzzy.

Lets get back to getting me a 101 puh-leeze!




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