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Post# 642034   11/27/2012 at 10:40 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Whirlpool, almond self cleaning. A super stove, the oven a tad small and it browned quickly. |
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Post# 642035 , Reply# 1   11/27/2012 at 10:42 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Bought it for $25.00 from a school Home Ec program. |
Post# 642036 , Reply# 2   11/27/2012 at 10:43 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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The oven had been self cleaned with aluminum foil on the floor and it was forever discolored. |
Post# 642038 , Reply# 3   11/27/2012 at 10:45 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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The GE |
Post# 642039 , Reply# 4   11/27/2012 at 10:45 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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It could crank it out rack after rack. |
Post# 642040 , Reply# 5   11/27/2012 at 10:47 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Harvest Gold, found in Oregon by Patrick and in super shape. |
Post# 642041 , Reply# 6   11/27/2012 at 10:49 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Traded up for another Portland, Oregon Flair only to learn the burner tray was stuck and after I got it opened it was rusted and pitted. |
Post# 642047 , Reply# 8   11/27/2012 at 10:59 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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Two oven doors, one and a half ovens but it still holds a turkey or angel cake. |
Post# 642048 , Reply# 9   11/27/2012 at 11:00 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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This one came with a rotissiere. |
Post# 642075 , Reply# 10   11/27/2012 at 12:59 (4,168 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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Post# 642083 , Reply# 11   11/27/2012 at 13:34 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Here are a few of the stoves I have had, Here is the 59 Caloric. |
Post# 642085 , Reply# 12   11/27/2012 at 13:36 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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The Norge..55 with two ovens and a griddle, I still have it, and if it were new I would use no other. |
Post# 642087 , Reply# 13   11/27/2012 at 13:38 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Product of Borg Warner. |
Post# 642088 , Reply# 14   11/27/2012 at 13:39 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Frigidaire in PINK! |
Post# 642090 , Reply# 15   11/27/2012 at 13:47 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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1947 Norge...Small oven but baked as perfectly as anything I ever used, Thermostat went bad and it had some rust issues, but if it were nrw, I would also have it hooked up. |
Post# 642091 , Reply# 16   11/27/2012 at 13:49 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Norge |
Post# 642092 , Reply# 17   11/27/2012 at 13:50 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Kenmore |
Post# 642094 , Reply# 18   11/27/2012 at 13:53 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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My Frigidaire! |
Post# 642095 , Reply# 19   11/27/2012 at 13:54 (4,168 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 642096 , Reply# 20   11/27/2012 at 13:54 (4,168 days old) by mixfinder ()   |   | |
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I saw one Norge I hadn't noticed before. I really am impressed with the forward styling Norge used. Anyone know the history of their design team? |
Post# 642097 , Reply# 21   11/27/2012 at 13:59 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Yes it moves, they also made this in gas.. |
Post# 642098 , Reply# 22   11/27/2012 at 14:01 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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In the forward position. |
Post# 642099 , Reply# 23   11/27/2012 at 14:03 (4,168 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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That the actual light is in rotates also to throw light in different directions. |
Post# 642105 , Reply# 24   11/27/2012 at 14:57 (4,168 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 642120 , Reply# 25   11/27/2012 at 16:50 (4,168 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 642121 , Reply# 26   11/27/2012 at 17:03 (4,168 days old) by dynaflow (rockingham nc)   |   | |
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Post# 642153 , Reply# 27   11/27/2012 at 20:02 (4,167 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)   |   | |
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Post# 642167 , Reply# 28   11/27/2012 at 20:54 (4,167 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Kelly - you know I love your CI Frigidaire! The streamlined, industrial-like controls give that range a subtle look that is sure to please. IMO, much more attractive than a Flair any day.
Funny you started this post - I had to do some service work to the 1963 GE tonight. New lower oven control, and I replaced the front left burner with a period correct raised burner that was picked from an identical twin last New Years at Greg's. Too bad the low watt Hi-Speed burner went bad. Ben |
Post# 642177 , Reply# 29   11/27/2012 at 21:10 (4,167 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 642212 , Reply# 30   11/28/2012 at 01:07 (4,167 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Kelly, thanks for starting this thread! I really like your ranges. I was wondering how the clock/timers on "N" series Flairs and Custom Imperial ranges like yours worked as they seemed to lack the "cooking hours". How does the oven stops automatically? Is it stopped by the Meal Minder only? I never had an oven that had a Meal Minder, how do you set these? Does it work only with the temp probe like the older "Meat Tender" which activated a buzzer? |
Post# 642214 , Reply# 31   11/28/2012 at 01:34 (4,167 days old) by MikeKLondon (London)   |   | |
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How I wish we had cookers with ovens that big over here |
Post# 642264 , Reply# 32   11/28/2012 at 08:32 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642266 , Reply# 33   11/28/2012 at 08:33 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642267 , Reply# 34   11/28/2012 at 08:34 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642268 , Reply# 35   11/28/2012 at 08:35 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642269 , Reply# 36   11/28/2012 at 08:36 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642270 , Reply# 37   11/28/2012 at 08:38 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642271 , Reply# 38   11/28/2012 at 08:40 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642273 , Reply# 39   11/28/2012 at 08:42 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642274 , Reply# 40   11/28/2012 at 08:43 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642275 , Reply# 41   11/28/2012 at 08:47 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642277 , Reply# 42   11/28/2012 at 08:48 (4,167 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 642278 , Reply# 43   11/28/2012 at 08:49 (4,167 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 642289 , Reply# 44   11/28/2012 at 09:46 (4,167 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 642297 , Reply# 45   11/28/2012 at 10:46 (4,167 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)   |   | |
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Post# 642313 , Reply# 47   11/28/2012 at 12:06 (4,167 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Funny you say that - as of late, quite a few dishes have been turned out by the GE. The other half is a fan of making banana bread and simple deserts, and the GE has done a stellar job with both tasks. I agree though - the KitchenAid does need a work out sooner rather than later!
I was looking at bread recipes online last night. I'm looking forward to working on the perfect replacement Wonder Bread recipe.
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Post# 642346 , Reply# 48   11/28/2012 at 16:05 (4,167 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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That Norge, Kelvinator and Crown!!!!! |
Post# 642347 , Reply# 49   11/28/2012 at 16:06 (4,167 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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I bet overall the 61 westinghouse is the best of all!!!??? |
Post# 642348 , Reply# 50   11/28/2012 at 16:08 (4,167 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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One reason I like them so much is that they have those old Chromalox units that are so heavy you cook cook and elephant and not hurt them!!LOL |
Post# 642434 , Reply# 51   11/28/2012 at 22:59 (4,166 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)   |   | |
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The Whirlpool at the top of this thread is my everyday stove. It is a great stove and I am so glad that I bought it brand new in 1990. The clock stopped working a month ago but everything else is just fine. Gary |
Post# 642471 , Reply# 52   11/29/2012 at 01:44 (4,166 days old) by MikeKLondon (London)   |   | |
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Hi All I love so many of the ranges here, How many APM's at 250 Volts would one of these monsters pull? I think my cooker point trip is only rated at 60 APM |
Post# 642572 , Reply# 54   11/29/2012 at 10:20 (4,166 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Hi All I love so many of the ranges here, How many APM's at 250 Volts would one of these monsters pull? I think my cooker point trip is only rated at 60 APM
Mike, if I understood correctly what you're asking, North American ranges are running on 120/240 volts 40 amps circuits.
What kind of circuits are used for electric ranges in Europe? Are they connected to equivalent of 8 gauge wire? *(see link) CLICK HERE TO GO TO PhilR's LINK |
Post# 642578 , Reply# 55   11/29/2012 at 10:42 (4,166 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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here's our 1958 Sunshine Yellow GE 40" Liberator TOL daily driver...we also have a '76 TOL Frigidaire 30" Custom Deluxe (thanks to PhilR!) in Harvest Gold in storage as well waitng for the proper venue. The '58 will be going into storage presently, to be replaced by our soon-to-arrive (we hope) 1956 Hotpoint 40" TOL model double oven, w/ rotisserie, auto-Calrod (or whatever Hotpoint called it), griddle and meat temp probe...in PANK! So does anyone else find that they cook SO much better when pink? Well I think so anyway! Will post pics as soon as she arrives!
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Post# 642688 , Reply# 56   11/29/2012 at 19:27 (4,165 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 642689 , Reply# 57   11/29/2012 at 19:30 (4,165 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 642692 , Reply# 58   11/29/2012 at 19:32 (4,165 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 642693 , Reply# 59   11/29/2012 at 19:34 (4,165 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 642695 , Reply# 60   11/29/2012 at 19:34 (4,165 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 642696 , Reply# 61   11/29/2012 at 19:37 (4,165 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 642716 , Reply# 62   11/29/2012 at 20:30 (4,165 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 642737 , Reply# 64   11/29/2012 at 22:50 (4,165 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.)   |   | |
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Sorry to disappoint you Gansky but that is NOT a TOL 1987 Range. It is a a Circa 1979 one or two steps down from TOL. My mom bought that same range in Harvest Wheat in Late 1979. The only differences between the one my mom had and the one in your picture is the fact that my moms had a black glass panel door and a Green LED touchpad timer control (much like the ones used on the Magic Chef Microwaves of the day).....PAT COFFEY |
Post# 642749 , Reply# 65   11/30/2012 at 00:30 (4,165 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 642753 , Reply# 66   11/30/2012 at 01:27 (4,165 days old) by MikeKLondon (London)   |   | |
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Hi I'm not good on the tec. stuff. I know our cooker point is rated at 60 amps 250 Volts and I'm wondering if its possible for me to ship a US range and use it here |
Post# 642780 , Reply# 67   11/30/2012 at 05:45 (4,165 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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Greg:
That '87 GE is a nice, nice range - why can't something like that turn up here in Waterloo? Even with the woodgrain and the digital timer, it's head and shoulders above anything I've seen here in forever. I am currently on a mission to get the landlord's BOL range replaced with a self-cleaner - I jes' cain't take hit no more. Obviously, if a GE J757 fell out of the sky, I'd be the happiest camper alive, but my standards are becoming more flexible by the minute. It's as bad as closing time at the bar, LOL. This is a J757- made for several years in the early '70s. As you can see, it's basically an Americana with the upper oven sawed off: This post was last edited 11/30/2012 at 06:42 |
Post# 642798 , Reply# 68   11/30/2012 at 06:54 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 642799 , Reply# 69   11/30/2012 at 06:54 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 642800 , Reply# 70   11/30/2012 at 06:55 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 642801 , Reply# 71   11/30/2012 at 06:55 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 642802 , Reply# 72   11/30/2012 at 06:56 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 642806 , Reply# 73   11/30/2012 at 07:03 (4,165 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Where were these made, they look great??? |
Post# 642808 , Reply# 74   11/30/2012 at 07:04 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 642809 , Reply# 75   11/30/2012 at 07:10 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 642837 , Reply# 76   11/30/2012 at 10:59 (4,165 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)   |   | |
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Wow, those Gasfires are really nice. I especially like the big oven windows. I'm guessing these were upper-end ranges, perhaps a bit like Chambers was here. |
Post# 642863 , Reply# 77   11/30/2012 at 12:45 (4,165 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Mike,
Some members might know better than me since I've never been to Europe... But I can tell you that electric ranges here use 120 volts for things like the oven lamps, fluorescent lamp, pilot lights and the clock so you'd probably need a transformer for those and the clock would still run too slow because of the 50hz... And some older ranges have 120V burners (the 5 heat, 7 heat and others like GM's "Speed Heat" burners use 120V but regular 240V burners with infinite switches should be ok). But many ranges from the 1960's and on don't have that. For example, my 1960 Frigidaire Deluxe has all 240V burners with infinite switches so just the lights and clock would be an issue... And I know that some clock motors were available for 50hz but these might be hard to find... In my Frigidaire documentation, there are part numbers for some 50hz clock motors... |
Post# 642916 , Reply# 78   11/30/2012 at 14:41 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Well from my experience I always used 120 volt heating and not appliances: portable range, sunbeam fryer, lamps, percolator coffee makers (including small motor ones my osterizer blender, Sunbeam Mixer, conair hair dryer etc...) with simple portable voltage converters 1850 watts and other one 2200 watts, it is years we have these appliances used regularly and we never had a problem with the difference of Hertz they works just like they should ,just the voltage gets converted with these converters not the hertz, specifically about the matter we're speaking of I tell you I have a 1100 watts portable electric burner range since 5 years and element works just like it should....
I knew the difference of hertz may become slightly dangerous for certain appliance types and if are used continuosly all the time (for ex a refrigerator compressor)... I've read that generally this is not a big problem when you use a 60hz hertz appliance with 50hz, more if you use a 50hz with 60hz... So I guess even a full size electric stove should not suffer the difference of hertz, I can just speak for my experience with my appliances, I'm not a tech but my appliances never did... Here are some info I've read, not sure if fully correct: I remember I've read once in an tech website a discussion (a girl asked how to run a 115 volt KA mixer in Italy) that a part the obvious converter suggestion, they stated to buy a japanese converter to convert 220-240 to 100 volt, they said that if you're using 60hz appliance with 50hz a general suggestion is to reduce respectively the the tension of the same difference coefficient so 115 should be 105 or 100 volt to avoid any possible damages that might occur, not sure if that is correct but that is what it was said.... But another guy stated that usually for heating and small motor appliances like toasters, blenders, mixers etc hertz difference usually never give problems, just for certain types of appliances with bigger and more sensible and complex motors that runs for long time like for ex a refrigerator compressor you could meet an hazard of overheating, motor effort and generally a reduced life of the motor. I've read in the same blog the example of the Japan where they have 100 volt 50hz but they use American appliances all the time and in US also use Japanes appliances with no problems.... Clock and lights issue: I have a 70s Sears flip alarm clock that was of my granma, she gave me to bring with me to Italy when I was 10, it is my daily driver alarm clock and I use it with a portable travel converter 50 watts plugged there since 1999, it works like a charm with 50hz as well, never missed a second. Now I'm not sure if it was supposed to work with both hertz but it states: 115 volt 60hz on the back label... Not sure about a stove clock but if it is the same of my alarm clock it should work anyway I guess. Lamps problem: I have some lamps and lava lamps that I purchased from USA that still have 120 volt bulbs and works just as they should with the transformer...bulbs are nothing but heating elements so they shouldn't suffer changes of hertz. So, personally I don't believe the hertz difference might be a problem even for an electric stove. I just told you what I think and what I've experienced and read, I'm not a tech maybe someone else might be more correct and give better advice/ info. Personally I'd be more worried about importing costs though! LOL Good luck |
Post# 642926 , Reply# 79   11/30/2012 at 15:24 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Well they were of course one of the most known range brand of that time....
I don't recall I've ever heard about Gasfire being sold/advertised as a superior quality (upper-end) appliance, rather the advertising was pretty anonymous and almost non-existent..... Is still a brand today, today Gasfire brand got bypassed alot, it is not so known today like before, of course not as Nardi which is probably the most known brand or Candy, Rex, Zanussi, Zoppas which are famous europe and worldwide also..... |
Post# 642929 , Reply# 80   11/30/2012 at 15:36 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 642938 , Reply# 82   11/30/2012 at 16:02 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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That is simple Gus, I forgot to metion it but of course alarm radio clock and elettronically stuff like LCD, TV will not work with a different hertz, that is obvious, they will burn out or go crazy.
That is clearly warned in all the packages of converters that they're not suitable to be used for electronaical stuff like that, some even states they're not good for writing machines and calculators. But for mechanical clocks and most motors as long for heating elements I believe there is no problem, my flip alarm clock goes strong. about your efrigerator, I believe compressors at least newer would suffer hertz changes at least I've read so that they're delicate to that, infact in many step-up down converters is stated that are not okay to be used on refrigerators along with LCD and things mentioned before.... Better so, it means your refrigerator was one of the ones having a compressor that can support it. Anyway electronical stuff suffer changes of herrtz not electromechanical stuff |
Post# 642943 , Reply# 83   11/30/2012 at 16:11 (4,165 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 642945 , Reply# 84   11/30/2012 at 16:20 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 642950 , Reply# 85   11/30/2012 at 16:48 (4,165 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)   |   | |
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A self winding clock is a mechanical clock which is automatically winded by electric coils. All the flip clocks I have have synchronous motors. CLICK HERE TO GO TO PhilR's LINK |
Post# 642955 , Reply# 86   11/30/2012 at 16:59 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I went to take a look at my alarm clock as I wanted to understand or read something....I noticed it does have a switch under that you have to turn with a screwdriver for the cycles, 50 and 60.
Never noticed it before, probaly it was setted so from my mother when I was a kid and never noticed it. Anyway you're right, if it is true that electromechanical clocks runs thanks to cycles so a 60hz clock will not work with 50hz! I just googled that synchronos motor and read about it. So it works with the cycles! I did not know that! You never stops to learn! |
Post# 642966 , Reply# 87   11/30/2012 at 17:20 (4,165 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 643013 , Reply# 88   11/30/2012 at 20:32 (4,164 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )   |   | |
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...that stoves and many appliances from the 50's and 60's were not only full of details in function but over-the-top design and appeal. As someone said above, today's appliances are generally boring. If they have glitz and color, they won't be around like the 50's and 60's appliances are today..52-62 years later. Great thread. I wish I had something to show off, but I did find something really interesting...see link.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO ovrphil's LINK on Atlanta Craigslist |
Post# 643100 , Reply# 89   12/1/2012 at 06:38 (4,164 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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This discussion about the clocks made me so curious that I wanted to understand more of my clock and generally about electric clocks and how they works and learned alot of things I ignored, thanks!
I spoke with my sister yesterday of it about the alarm clock, and she does remember that granma gave it to us to bring to Italy because she said it was not working for her and had a problem of electricity, I believe that she knew of it by an electrician I bet she did not even know what cycles were, not sure what was the exact origin of that clock , she probably bought it used..... I did forget about this story, I just remember I liked it so much with all the lights etc and was so happy to have it and my mom had to buy a new bigger luggage to fit it into... It does have an hidden switch to twist with a screwdriver stating 50 and 60 on the 2 sides under the rear panel on the right side.... I believe it's the cycle switch and now it is pointed on 50, label tell 115/100 volts 60 cycle (actually 60 cy) a corner is cut so maybe it stated 50 cycle also, of course it's so.... I think it does have a kinda brake or mechanism inside to make it work right with both cycles and speed also....just guessing, or a thing converting hertz, not sure if that is that simple though....you look more expert than me..... I'm not into clocks as you can understand, my father is more being a jeweler, I gotta ask this to him.... The clock states: Made in Hong Kong, no date available. Warnings are printed in english and japanese/chinese, but who can tell exactly? LOL I believe it is from late 70s from the style..... I also googled the matter and looks common to find american people with clocks running slower in 50hz countries, so another thing confirming you were right! I never noticed my appliances works slower though, elements does not in my experience and nor motors runs slower significantly. My mixer mix as it should blender also, fryer and steam irons all works like a charm and lamps too, so anyway what you could meet with an electric stove is the problem of the clock only I believe... Anyway I'm glad I learned a new thing thanks of you Phil, that is good to learn of it that a 60 cycle clock will not work with 50, and this is good for many reasons apart personal culture...and specifically because I was watching one of those VTG electric coffee makers with built in clocks to give to my sister for Christmas! Thank you for making me realize that. |
Post# 643293 , Reply# 90   12/1/2012 at 21:37 (4,163 days old) by kqkenmore (memphis tn)   |   | |
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