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Post# 642034   11/27/2012 at 10:40 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        

Whirlpool, almond self cleaning. A super stove, the oven a tad small and it browned quickly.

Post# 642035 , Reply# 1   11/27/2012 at 10:42 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        

Bought it for $25.00 from a school Home Ec program.

Post# 642036 , Reply# 2   11/27/2012 at 10:43 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Open Wide

The oven had been self cleaned with aluminum foil on the floor and it was forever discolored.

Post# 642038 , Reply# 3   11/27/2012 at 10:45 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        
New Age Splendor

The GE

Post# 642039 , Reply# 4   11/27/2012 at 10:45 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        
A True Work Horse

It could crank it out rack after rack.

Post# 642040 , Reply# 5   11/27/2012 at 10:47 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        
With Flair

Harvest Gold, found in Oregon by Patrick and in super shape.

Post# 642041 , Reply# 6   11/27/2012 at 10:49 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Needed the Bling

Traded up for another Portland, Oregon Flair only to learn the burner tray was stuck and after I got it opened it was rusted and pitted.

Post# 642045 , Reply# 7   11/27/2012 at 10:57 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Production Demands

After an Easter dinner for about 30 large pans didn't fit the back burner and the small oven didn't equal the luxury of two ovens so next up was a 40 inch double oven. An older lady was selling her house and wanted the stove to go to someone who would appreciate it and not let the new owners send it to the scrapper.

Post# 642047 , Reply# 8   11/27/2012 at 10:59 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        
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Two oven doors, one and a half ovens but it still holds a turkey or angel cake.

Post# 642048 , Reply# 9   11/27/2012 at 11:00 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        
I'm So Dizzy

This one came with a rotissiere.

Post# 642075 , Reply# 10   11/27/2012 at 12:59 (1,641 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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The GE is the one i owned while in Texas. Mine was bisque and I got it for $399 at The Great Indoors.

Post# 642083 , Reply# 11   11/27/2012 at 13:34 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

Here are a few of the stoves I have had, Here is the 59 Caloric.

Post# 642085 , Reply# 12   11/27/2012 at 13:36 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

The Norge..55 with two ovens and a griddle, I still have it, and if it were new I would use no other.

Post# 642087 , Reply# 13   11/27/2012 at 13:38 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Another view,

Product of Borg Warner.

Post# 642088 , Reply# 14   11/27/2012 at 13:39 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

Frigidaire in PINK!

Post# 642090 , Reply# 15   11/27/2012 at 13:47 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

1947 Norge...Small oven but baked as perfectly as anything I ever used, Thermostat went bad and it had some rust issues, but if it were nrw, I would also have it hooked up.

Post# 642091 , Reply# 16   11/27/2012 at 13:49 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
30 inch..


Post# 642092 , Reply# 17   11/27/2012 at 13:50 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        


Post# 642094 , Reply# 18   11/27/2012 at 13:53 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
and of course..

My Frigidaire!

Post# 642095 , Reply# 19   11/27/2012 at 13:54 (1,641 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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That Norge is a real showstopper with that lightbar. Does it move up and down because it looks in the pic there's slots on each side. 

Post# 642096 , Reply# 20   11/27/2012 at 13:54 (1,641 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Retrospective in Range

I saw one Norge I hadn't noticed before.  I really am impressed with the forward styling Norge used.  Anyone know the history of their design team?

Post# 642097 , Reply# 21   11/27/2012 at 13:59 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Light bar...

Yes it moves, they also made this in gas..

Post# 642098 , Reply# 22   11/27/2012 at 14:01 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Here it is

In the forward position.

Post# 642099 , Reply# 23   11/27/2012 at 14:03 (1,641 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
The round piece..

That the actual light is in rotates also to throw light in different directions.

Post# 642105 , Reply# 24   11/27/2012 at 14:57 (1,641 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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That is something else :)

When you see all these fantastic looking vintage stoves they really do make new ones seem utterly boring. I know when I walk around the appliance dept at Sears or Lowes it's kind of hard to really get enthused about much.

Post# 642120 , Reply# 25   11/27/2012 at 16:50 (1,640 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )        

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My cousin Eldina has the 30" gas version of your Caloric range.  It is in the kitchenette just off of their downstairs family room.  That range did alot of baking when she had her custom wedding cake business.

Post# 642121 , Reply# 26   11/27/2012 at 17:03 (1,640 days old) by dynaflow (rockingham nc)        
my 58 in pink

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love my 58 just got cake layers out of the oven perfect

Post# 642153 , Reply# 27   11/27/2012 at 20:02 (1,640 days old) by joelippard (Hickory, NC)        

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I sure wish I could find a 30" Frigidaire like Hans has!

Post# 642167 , Reply# 28   11/27/2012 at 20:54 (1,640 days old) by swestoyz (Waterloo, Iowa)        

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Kelly - you know I love your CI Frigidaire! The streamlined, industrial-like controls give that range a subtle look that is sure to please. IMO, much more attractive than a Flair any day.

Funny you started this post - I had to do some service work to the 1963 GE tonight. New lower oven control, and I replaced the front left burner with a period correct raised burner that was picked from an identical twin last New Years at Greg's. Too bad the low watt Hi-Speed burner went bad.


Post# 642177 , Reply# 29   11/27/2012 at 21:10 (1,640 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Excellent, Ben. Now when are you going to cook? :)

Post# 642212 , Reply# 30   11/28/2012 at 01:07 (1,640 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Kelly, thanks for starting this thread! I really like your ranges. I was wondering how the clock/timers on "N" series Flairs and Custom Imperial ranges like yours worked as they seemed to lack the "cooking hours". How does the oven stops automatically? Is it stopped by the Meal Minder only? I never had an oven that had a Meal Minder, how do you set these? Does it work only with the temp probe like the older "Meat Tender" which activated a buzzer?

Here are mine

The one I got just a few weeks ago (had a thread about it here

(1971-72 RDE-38S), a very uncommon model here since these were not sold in Canada. I guess either someone here wanted an Electri-Clean range and bought it in the US as they were still not available in this country or it belonged to an American who moved it here...

1971 FRIGIDAIRE range

1971 FRIGIDAIRE range

My Canadian RCIB-645C-2 Flair


The very first Frigidaire appliance I owned:

1960 RDAG-38C-60

My RCIB-645C with a rotisserie and an exhaust hood.
F R I G I D A I R E Custom Imperial Flair

Post# 642214 , Reply# 31   11/28/2012 at 01:34 (1,640 days old) by MikeKLondon (London / Surrey / Kent UK )        
Oven Size

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How I wish we had cookers with ovens that big over here

Post# 642264 , Reply# 32   11/28/2012 at 08:32 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
Westinghouse 40

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Here's a few of mine - this Westy is without question one of the heaviest stoves I ever had to move!

Post# 642266 , Reply# 33   11/28/2012 at 08:33 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
1970's Crown

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This is the only gas range I own.

Post# 642267 , Reply# 34   11/28/2012 at 08:34 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
1958 GE

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I had this stove at the cottage for a couple of years - I switched it out this past spring with a '54 Frigidaire. This GE performed beautifully.

Post# 642268 , Reply# 35   11/28/2012 at 08:35 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
1956 Frigidaire Imperial

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Here's my white '56 - love these French doors.

Post# 642269 , Reply# 36   11/28/2012 at 08:36 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
1956 Pink Frigidaire Imperial

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Here's the same stove in pink - I just picked this up last week. I think this is going to the cottage in the spring.

Post# 642270 , Reply# 37   11/28/2012 at 08:38 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
1953 Kelvinator

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Here's a cute 30" Kelvy that I fell in love with and had to drag home.

Post# 642271 , Reply# 38   11/28/2012 at 08:40 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
Early 50's Norge

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I think this is a '52 - it's 36" wide. It was $39.99 at the Salvation Army and they were having a half-off appliance sale, so for $20 I couldn't resist.

Post# 642273 , Reply# 39   11/28/2012 at 08:42 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
The Mighty Frigidaire

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I really like this stove - I've got to make room for a 40" in one of my kitchens so I can put this into service!

Post# 642274 , Reply# 40   11/28/2012 at 08:43 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
Another Frigidaire

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This was a "curb save"

Post# 642275 , Reply# 41   11/28/2012 at 08:47 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
My daily driver

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A 1961 Westinghouse Aristocrat - I use this stove every day and it's a joy.

Post# 642277 , Reply# 42   11/28/2012 at 08:48 (1,640 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        
Westinghouse 40 Super Oven

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One huge oven!

Post# 642278 , Reply# 43   11/28/2012 at 08:49 (1,640 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Kevin, you have quite a few nice ranges!  I really like the Norge and the GE ranges too!  I'd like to see more pics of your Aristocrat range too!

Post# 642289 , Reply# 44   11/28/2012 at 09:46 (1,640 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        
Range Porn

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Post# 642297 , Reply# 45   11/28/2012 at 10:46 (1,640 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        

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The 30" GE that was in your cottage is absolutely fabulous! A beautifully-styled and -proportioned range in excellent condition!!!


Post# 642298 , Reply# 46   11/28/2012 at 10:53 (1,640 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Hocus Pocus

The older Flair let you set start and stop times. The newer Flair is a Heat Minder which is limiting and the motorized dial drive make the oven knob stiff to operate. The 40 in her lets you set start time and hours to cook up to 6 hours max.
Ben your GE is a work of beauty. GE oven do a great job. Now, just to get you using your Kitchenaid so you can try out the oven.

Kevin, I agree whole heartedly about Westinghouse ranges of the 60's. Dependable and stellar performers.

Post# 642313 , Reply# 47   11/28/2012 at 12:06 (1,640 days old) by swestoyz (Waterloo, Iowa)        
so you can try out the oven

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Funny you say that - as of late, quite a few dishes have been turned out by the GE.  The other half is a fan of making banana bread and simple deserts, and the GE has done a stellar job with both tasks.  I agree though - the KitchenAid does need a work out sooner rather than later!


I was looking at bread recipes online last night.  I'm looking forward to working on the perfect replacement Wonder Bread recipe.



Post# 642346 , Reply# 48   11/28/2012 at 16:05 (1,640 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

That Norge, Kelvinator and Crown!!!!!

Post# 642347 , Reply# 49   11/28/2012 at 16:06 (1,640 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

I bet overall the 61 westinghouse is the best of all!!!???

Post# 642348 , Reply# 50   11/28/2012 at 16:08 (1,640 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Norge and Kelvinator...

One reason I like them so much is that they have those old Chromalox units that are so heavy you cook cook and elephant and not hurt them!!LOL

Post# 642434 , Reply# 51   11/28/2012 at 22:59 (1,639 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)        

The Whirlpool at the top of this thread is my everyday stove. It is a great stove and I am so glad that I bought it brand new in 1990. The clock stopped working a month ago but everything else is just fine. Gary

Post# 642471 , Reply# 52   11/29/2012 at 01:44 (1,639 days old) by MikeKLondon (London / Surrey / Kent UK )        

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Hi All I love so many of the ranges here, How many APM's at 250 Volts would one of these monsters pull? I think my cooker point trip is only rated at 60 APM

Post# 642557 , Reply# 53   11/29/2012 at 09:24 (1,639 days old) by westingman123 ()        
My baby

Kevin, this is your Westy's older sister. It took 3 of us to carry it into my house, but it bakes and cooks like a dream. The model you have is the exact range I grew up with, so if you ever decide to put it out for adoption...

I do admire your range collection! I often daydream of a Home-Ec kitchen setup with different 40" ranges set up about the room.

Post# 642572 , Reply# 54   11/29/2012 at 10:20 (1,639 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Hi All I love so many of the ranges here, How many APM's at 250 Volts would one of these monsters pull? I think my cooker point trip is only rated at 60 APM 


Mike, if I understood correctly what you're asking, North American ranges are running on 120/240 volts 40 amps circuits.


What kind of circuits are used for electric ranges in Europe? Are they connected to equivalent of 8 gauge wire? *(see link)


Post# 642578 , Reply# 55   11/29/2012 at 10:42 (1,639 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
Some beautiful ranges here...

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here's our 1958 Sunshine Yellow GE 40" Liberator TOL daily driver...we also have a '76 TOL Frigidaire 30" Custom Deluxe (thanks to PhilR!) in Harvest Gold in storage as well waitng for the proper venue. The '58 will be going into storage presently, to be replaced by our soon-to-arrive (we hope) 1956 Hotpoint 40" TOL model double oven, w/ rotisserie, auto-Calrod (or whatever Hotpoint called it), griddle and meat temp PANK! So does anyone else find that they cook SO much better when pink? Well I think so anyway! Will post pics as soon as she arrives!

Post# 642688 , Reply# 56   11/29/2012 at 19:27 (1,638 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Fun thread - we do have some pretty ranges!!

Here is my current daily driver - 1957 General Electric in pink. Love this range!

Post# 642689 , Reply# 57   11/29/2012 at 19:30 (1,638 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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I have a thing for pretty GE ranges - this is a 1987'ish TOL
It was in a loft apartment-condo in Lincoln, NE and very rarely used. Needed only a light cleaning when I picked it up.

Post# 642692 , Reply# 58   11/29/2012 at 19:32 (1,638 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Just picked up this one today. A Hotpoint Microwave Range! I've wanted one of these for a long time.

Post# 642693 , Reply# 59   11/29/2012 at 19:34 (1,638 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Microwave control.

I don't know much about these, just had to have one. Does anyone have an owner's manual?

Post# 642695 , Reply# 60   11/29/2012 at 19:34 (1,638 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Hotpoint Control panel - look ma! No woodgrain!

Post# 642696 , Reply# 61   11/29/2012 at 19:37 (1,638 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Money Shot

I have all the parts, bowls, rings, etc. but removed them to move it. There is also another of the porcelain "ridge"? that belongs on the oven bottom at front but it was loose and as I had to lay it down in the truck, I took it out.

Post# 642716 , Reply# 62   11/29/2012 at 20:30 (1,638 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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That's a nice microwave range Greg!  Do you know how old it is? It looks similar to your GE but I guess it should be quite a few years older since it has convenience outlets... (I think they were banned in the States in 1976). 

Post# 642731 , Reply# 63   11/29/2012 at 21:47 (1,638 days old) by mixfinder ()        

Greg, you've been looking for a Hotpoint like the one the one original to your house. Who knew you'd find one with a micro combination. I had a GE Versatronic and loved the way it shaved time off anything that would normally roast or bake. I'll post pictures of it after I get home.

Post# 642737 , Reply# 64   11/29/2012 at 22:50 (1,638 days old) by appliguy (Oakton Va.)        
this is a 1987'ish TOL

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Sorry to disappoint you Gansky but that is NOT a TOL 1987 Range. It is a a Circa 1979  one or two steps down from TOL. My mom bought that same range in Harvest Wheat in Late 1979. The only differences between the one my mom had and the one in your picture is the fact that my moms had a black glass panel door and a Green LED touchpad timer control (much like the ones used on the Magic Chef Microwaves of the day).....PAT COFFEY

Post# 642749 , Reply# 65   11/30/2012 at 00:30 (1,638 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Hardly. LOL Just a mistake. The seller thought the condo was bought new in the mid to late 80's.

Post# 642753 , Reply# 66   11/30/2012 at 01:27 (1,638 days old) by MikeKLondon (London / Surrey / Kent UK )        

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Hi I'm not good on the tec. stuff. I know our cooker point is rated at 60 amps 250 Volts and I'm wondering if its possible for me to ship a US range and use it here

Post# 642780 , Reply# 67   11/30/2012 at 05:45 (1,638 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        

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That '87 GE is a nice, nice range - why can't something like that turn up here in Waterloo? Even with the woodgrain and the digital timer, it's head and shoulders above anything I've seen here in forever.

I am currently on a mission to get the landlord's BOL range replaced with a self-cleaner - I jes' cain't take hit no more. Obviously, if a GE J757 fell out of the sky, I'd be the happiest camper alive, but my standards are becoming more flexible by the minute. It's as bad as closing time at the bar, LOL.

This is a J757- made for several years in the early '70s. As you can see, it's basically an Americana with the upper oven sawed off:

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Post# 642798 , Reply# 68   11/30/2012 at 06:54 (1,638 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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I'm going to buy one of these when I'll move to my father farm....
I like all these models of gasfire stoves, I particularly like the double oven model but I think in my kitchen will just fit a single oven model

Post# 642799 , Reply# 69   11/30/2012 at 06:54 (1,638 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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Post# 642806 , Reply# 73   11/30/2012 at 07:03 (1,638 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Re Gasfire...

Where were these made, they look great???

Post# 642808 , Reply# 74   11/30/2012 at 07:04 (1,638 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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Italy 1950s and 1960s.....

Post# 642809 , Reply# 75   11/30/2012 at 07:10 (1,638 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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They're still plenty available for a fair price, they were very famous....
There're still authorized repair centers and parts after all these years...
I'd probably get one of this model:

Post# 642837 , Reply# 76   11/30/2012 at 10:59 (1,638 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        

Wow, those Gasfires are really nice. I especially like the big oven windows. I'm guessing these were upper-end ranges, perhaps a bit like Chambers was here.

Post# 642863 , Reply# 77   11/30/2012 at 12:45 (1,638 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Some members might know better than me since I've never been to Europe... But I can tell you that electric ranges here use 120 volts for things like the oven lamps, fluorescent lamp, pilot lights and the clock so you'd probably need a transformer for those and the clock would still run too slow because of the 50hz... And some older ranges have 120V burners (the 5 heat, 7 heat and others like GM's "Speed Heat" burners use 120V but regular 240V burners with infinite switches should be ok).  But many ranges from the 1960's and on don't have that. For example, my 1960 Frigidaire Deluxe has all 240V burners with infinite switches so just the lights and clock would be an issue... And I know that some clock motors were available for 50hz but these might be hard to find... In my Frigidaire documentation, there are part numbers for some 50hz clock motors...

Post# 642916 , Reply# 78   11/30/2012 at 14:41 (1,638 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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Well from my experience I always used 120 volt heating and not appliances: portable range, sunbeam fryer, lamps, percolator coffee makers (including small motor ones my osterizer blender, Sunbeam Mixer, conair hair dryer etc...) with simple portable voltage converters 1850 watts and other one 2200 watts, it is years we have these appliances used regularly and we never had a problem with the difference of Hertz they works just like they should ,just the voltage gets converted with these converters not the hertz, specifically about the matter we're speaking of I tell you I have a 1100 watts portable electric burner range since 5 years and element works just like it should....
I knew the difference of hertz may become slightly dangerous for certain appliance types and if are used continuosly all the time (for ex a refrigerator compressor)...
I've read that generally this is not a big problem when you use a 60hz hertz appliance with 50hz, more if you use a 50hz with 60hz...
So I guess even a full size electric stove should not suffer the difference of hertz, I can just speak for my experience with my appliances, I'm not a tech but my appliances never did...
Here are some info I've read, not sure if fully correct:
I remember I've read once in an tech website a discussion (a girl asked how to run a 115 volt KA mixer in Italy) that a part the obvious converter suggestion, they stated to buy a japanese converter to convert 220-240 to 100 volt, they said that if you're using 60hz appliance with 50hz a general suggestion is to reduce respectively the the tension of the same difference coefficient so 115 should be 105 or 100 volt to avoid any possible damages that might occur, not sure if that is correct but that is what it was said....
But another guy stated that usually for heating and small motor appliances like toasters, blenders, mixers etc hertz difference usually never give problems, just for certain types of appliances with bigger and more sensible and complex motors that runs for long time like for ex a refrigerator compressor you could meet an hazard of overheating, motor effort and generally a reduced life of the motor. I've read in the same blog the example of the Japan where they have 100 volt 50hz but they use American appliances all the time and in US also use Japanes appliances with no problems....

Clock and lights issue:
I have a 70s Sears flip alarm clock that was of my granma, she gave me to bring with me to Italy when I was 10, it is my daily driver alarm clock and I use it with a portable travel converter 50 watts plugged there since 1999, it works like a charm with 50hz as well, never missed a second.
Now I'm not sure if it was supposed to work with both hertz but it states: 115 volt 60hz on the back label...
Not sure about a stove clock but if it is the same of my alarm clock it should work anyway I guess.
Lamps problem:
I have some lamps and lava lamps that I purchased from USA that still have 120 volt bulbs and works just as they should with the transformer...bulbs are nothing but heating elements so they shouldn't suffer changes of hertz.

So, personally I don't believe the hertz difference might be a problem even for an electric stove. I just told you what I think and what I've experienced and read, I'm not a tech maybe someone else might be more correct and give better advice/ info.
Personally I'd be more worried about importing costs though! LOL
Good luck

Post# 642926 , Reply# 79   11/30/2012 at 15:24 (1,638 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        
Upper end ranges.....

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Well they were of course one of the most known range brand of that time....
I don't recall I've ever heard about Gasfire being sold/advertised as a superior quality (upper-end) appliance, rather the advertising was pretty anonymous and almost non-existent.....
Is still a brand today, today Gasfire brand got bypassed alot, it is not so known today like before, of course not as Nardi which is probably the most known brand or Candy, Rex, Zanussi, Zoppas which are famous europe and worldwide also.....

Post# 642929 , Reply# 80   11/30/2012 at 15:36 (1,638 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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I beleieve it was beacuse they then stopped making quality stoves, adapting to what was the fashion of making crappy stoves, infact later model lost alot of features making of them the typical compact and ugly "barbie style"....
I think this pic speak itself:

Post# 642932 , Reply# 81   11/30/2012 at 15:49 (1,638 days old) by gus (Montevideo, Uruguay)        

My experience about Hertz is different: On one side there was a Norge fridge that my parents bought in the middle 50's and my mother sold in working condition after 1990. That was a wonderful and rather biggish fridge that never gave any problem and worked with a transformer for 220 to 110 volts, since here we have 220 volts 50 Hz like almost the rest of the world. BUT my (then) girlfriend brought from the USA a radio-clock that never worked here and we knew it was because of the different rate in Hz. And years later in the 90's (to be exact) we used to live by the Brazilian border in norther Uruguay and I went to a shop to buy a TL washing machine, with electronic controls and the attendant told me: if you're going to use it in Uruguay it won't work because of the Hz although Brazil in the southern area is 220V.So I didn't buy it and instead I bought and Italian Ariston FL that worked for some 18 years. That's my two cents. Gus

Post# 642938 , Reply# 82   11/30/2012 at 16:02 (1,638 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        
Gus.... I think it's different for a simple reason.....

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That is simple Gus, I forgot to metion it but of course alarm radio clock and elettronically stuff like LCD, TV will not work with a different hertz, that is obvious, they will burn out or go crazy.
That is clearly warned in all the packages of converters that they're not suitable to be used for electronaical stuff like that, some even states they're not good for writing machines and calculators.
But for mechanical clocks and most motors as long for heating elements I believe there is no problem, my flip alarm clock goes strong.
about your efrigerator, I believe compressors at least newer would suffer hertz changes at least I've read so that they're delicate to that, infact in many step-up down converters is stated that are not okay to be used on refrigerators along with LCD and things mentioned before....
Better so, it means your refrigerator was one of the ones having a compressor that can support it.
Anyway electronical stuff suffer changes of herrtz not electromechanical stuff

Post# 642943 , Reply# 83   11/30/2012 at 16:11 (1,638 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Your experience with the flip clock is interesting. I thought these also had synchronous motors.  Unless yours is a kind of self-winding clock with flip dials (I've never seen that). Those I have seen mostly have Copal or Copal II motors. 

Post# 642945 , Reply# 84   11/30/2012 at 16:20 (1,638 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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Sorry what you say it's greek to me. LOL
I just know my clock works and every time gets me up, and of course works with 50hz.
My knowledge about it stops here.....

Post# 642950 , Reply# 85   11/30/2012 at 16:48 (1,637 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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A self winding clock is a mechanical clock which is automatically winded by electric coils. All the flip clocks I have have synchronous motors. 


Post# 642955 , Reply# 86   11/30/2012 at 16:59 (1,637 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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I went to take a look at my alarm clock as I wanted to understand or read something....I noticed it does have a switch under that you have to turn with a screwdriver for the cycles, 50 and 60.
Never noticed it before, probaly it was setted so from my mother when I was a kid and never noticed it.
Anyway you're right, if it is true that electromechanical clocks runs thanks to cycles so a 60hz clock will not work with 50hz!
I just googled that synchronos motor and read about it. So it works with the cycles!
I did not know that!
You never stops to learn!

Post# 642966 , Reply# 87   11/30/2012 at 17:20 (1,637 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        
BTW I noticed i wrote Sears, I confused...

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It is not a Sears is a Zenith...

Post# 643013 , Reply# 88   11/30/2012 at 20:32 (1,637 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta Georgia )        
Blows my mind

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...that stoves and many appliances from the 50's and 60's were not only full of details in function but over-the-top design and appeal. As someone said above, today's appliances are generally boring. If they have glitz and color, they won't be around like the 50's and 60's appliances are today..52-62 years later. Great thread. I wish I had something to show off, but I did find something really interesting...see link.

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Post# 643100 , Reply# 89   12/1/2012 at 06:38 (1,637 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza)        

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This discussion about the clocks made me so curious that I wanted to understand more of my clock and generally about electric clocks and how they works and learned alot of things I ignored, thanks!
I spoke with my sister yesterday of it about the alarm clock, and she does remember that granma gave it to us to bring to Italy because she said it was not working for her and had a problem of electricity, I believe that she knew of it by an electrician I bet she did not even know what cycles were, not sure what was the exact origin of that clock , she probably bought it used.....
I did forget about this story, I just remember I liked it so much with all the lights etc and was so happy to have it and my mom had to buy a new bigger luggage to fit it into...
It does have an hidden switch to twist with a screwdriver stating 50 and 60 on the 2 sides under the rear panel on the right side....
I believe it's the cycle switch and now it is pointed on 50, label tell 115/100 volts 60 cycle (actually 60 cy) a corner is cut so maybe it stated 50 cycle also, of course it's so....
I think it does have a kinda brake or mechanism inside to make it work right with both cycles and speed also....just guessing, or a thing converting hertz, not sure if that is that simple look more expert than me.....
I'm not into clocks as you can understand, my father is more being a jeweler, I gotta ask this to him....
The clock states:
Made in Hong Kong, no date available.
Warnings are printed in english and japanese/chinese, but who can tell exactly? LOL
I believe it is from late 70s from the style.....

I also googled the matter and looks common to find american people with clocks running slower in 50hz countries, so another thing confirming you were right!
I never noticed my appliances works slower though, elements does not in my experience and nor motors runs slower significantly.
My mixer mix as it should blender also, fryer and steam irons all works like a charm and lamps too, so anyway what you could meet with an electric stove is the problem of the clock only I believe...

Anyway I'm glad I learned a new thing thanks of you Phil, that is good to learn of it that a 60 cycle clock will not work with 50, and this is good for many reasons apart personal culture...and specifically because I was watching one of those VTG electric coffee makers with built in clocks to give to my sister for Christmas!
Thank you for making me realize that.

Post# 643293 , Reply# 90   12/1/2012 at 21:37 (1,636 days old) by kqkenmore (memphis tn)        

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Freddy Hi love the stove.Carl

Post# 931993 , Reply# 91   4/12/2017 at 11:32 by momof3cws (Oklahoma)        
I know this is an OLD thread...but since we like old things.

I have inherited this little beauty in a fixer upper we recently purchased. It is in the "summer" kitchen of the home, not the main kitchen. I am not familiar with microwave ranges and would just like some general information about it if any one has any. I don't have access to the serial number information at this time, but here are a few pics...

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