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1958 SEARS COLDSPOT REFRIGERATOR - SAN DIEGO
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Post# 664041   3/5/2013 at 17:44 (4,071 days old) by agitatorboogie (Denver)        

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I haven't seen too many Coldspot fridges that suit my fancy but this one......

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Post# 664042 , Reply# 1   3/5/2013 at 17:44 (4,071 days old) by agitatorboogie (Denver)        
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look at that text!

Post# 664043 , Reply# 2   3/5/2013 at 17:45 (4,071 days old) by agitatorboogie (Denver)        
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even better!

Post# 664044 , Reply# 3   3/5/2013 at 17:45 (4,071 days old) by agitatorboogie (Denver)        
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...*faints*......

Post# 664045 , Reply# 4   3/5/2013 at 17:46 (4,071 days old) by agitatorboogie (Denver)        
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what a nifty compartment

Post# 664046 , Reply# 5   3/5/2013 at 17:47 (4,071 days old) by agitatorboogie (Denver)        
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****faints again******

Post# 664047 , Reply# 6   3/5/2013 at 17:47 (4,071 days old) by agitatorboogie (Denver)        
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gotta lurve these bottom freezers!

Post# 664048 , Reply# 7   3/5/2013 at 17:48 (4,071 days old) by agitatorboogie (Denver)        
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i've fainted so many times, just call me Aunt Pitty Pat

Post# 664052 , Reply# 8   3/5/2013 at 18:04 (4,071 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Now That!

Is a REFRIGERATOR!!! A real Coldspot!!

Post# 664059 , Reply# 9   3/5/2013 at 18:36 (4,071 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I presume the freezer isn't frost free. 

 

The rusting is probably a result of a bad gasket combined with frost accumulation and perhaps poor leveling.  The unpainted length of cord between cabinet and refrigerator door could be an indicator of a butter softener and the original pink exterior color.  Too bad the front grille is missing.  That would be tough to find. 

 

Per the illustration in the ad, it looks like there's room to cup fingers under the top trim piece to open the freezer door.  With old-school latches, I doubt a pedal was an option.

 

The early 60's Coldspot (frost free) bottom freezer model that I got at Goodwill around 1980 sported the same type of revolving crisper.

 

That is a beautiful refrigerator.  Even without the candy apple green it demands to be noticed!  Being in southern California, it stands a very good chance of finding an appreciative new owner.

 

 


Post# 664089 , Reply# 10   3/5/2013 at 20:34 (4,071 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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I had a TOL Coldspot bottom fridge freezer just like that but newer and frost free. That "Space master" design inside meant you could do what ever needed to arrange anything. Wished I had the old coppertone gal back, even though it took an arm and leg for power to run it. My freezer had a big slide out basket and even a butter selector for how soft you wanted it. Not fair that we cant have those types of features at an affordable price now.

Post# 664096 , Reply# 11   3/5/2013 at 20:47 (4,071 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
The beauty of this one is!

It would be cheap to operate because it is manual defrost, will keep frozen food better too!

Post# 664100 , Reply# 12   3/5/2013 at 21:16 (4,071 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Steel, aluminum and porcelain...Gorgeous! Never seen one in that color. Who made them? Whirlpool?


Post# 664115 , Reply# 13   3/5/2013 at 22:54 (4,071 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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My sister had a huge 1961 frost-free bottom freezer model.  In Pink, with the nuclear SR badge.  That thing must have been 6'-6" tall at least, and a good 3' wide.  It had "Space Master" shelving and the refrigerator section was lit by a florescent tube across the width of the top rear.  The freezer had a door, not a drawer. 

 

She got it used in the mid-70's.  After having been through The Energy Crisis of 1973, when I first laid eyes on it, all I could think of was how much of a HOG it had to be.  She left it behind when she moved.  Nobody wanted to wrestle that thing UP a narrow flight of 15 or so steps to get it out of there.


Post# 664116 , Reply# 14   3/5/2013 at 23:31 (4,071 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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We had a refrigerator with a revolving tray ,but..not sure if it was a Sears Coldspot.

I like the original pink color, actually, more than what they painted it.

It doesn't have an ice maker, correct?


Post# 664118 , Reply# 15   3/5/2013 at 23:43 (4,071 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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May have been a General Electric Phil.


Post# 664119 , Reply# 16   3/6/2013 at 00:00 (4,071 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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It has an ice bin, but not an ice maker. 

 

GE's bottom freezer models in 1958 had a freezer drawer, not a door.  I don't know who the manufacturer was for this Coldspot.  The majority of what's been showing up of this vintage on line lately has been GE, but this one appears to be another make.


Post# 664122 , Reply# 17   3/6/2013 at 00:49 (4,071 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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I thought I read on this site that Coldspots were made by Seeger in Evansville, Indiana, and that Sears pressured Whirlpool to buy Seeger around 1958 so as to consolidate their supplier base.

Cool design, whoever did this one.


Post# 664150 , Reply# 18   3/6/2013 at 07:34 (4,070 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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This is a WP-Seeger built refrigerator and while a decent refrigerator I don't think that WP really started to build great two door refs until about the mid 1960s. Even though this would be better in overall power use than the completely FF models that followed it would still not be cheap to run.

 

By the mid 60s WP built refs were as good as or better than Frigidaire, GE, and ahead of every other brand in performance, build-quality and reliability and best of all WP brought America and the rest of the world into the world of Automatic Ice-Makers that actually worked and by the late 60s WP was building IMs for 9 out of 12 brands of Frost-Free refrigerators.


Post# 664152 , Reply# 19   3/6/2013 at 08:00 (4,070 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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"WP brought America and the rest of the world into the world of Automatic Ice-Makers that actually worked and by the late 60s WP was building IMs for 9 out of 12 brands of Frost-Free refrigerators."

Yeah, but wasn't that the Servel ice-maker, which was so good that Whirly bought Servel to get the patents?

Also, this Coldspot is certainly an interesting and feature-laden refrigerator, but contrast it with a '58 GE or Frigidaire. Those two brands are much more contemporary-looking to our eyes today, whereas this Coldspot is clearly late-1950s. Being "in the moment" is all very well - until the moment passes.

P.S.: It looks to me like that green paint job could be factory - one of the "lost colors" of the late '50s, like Cadet Blue or Woodtone Brown. Frigidaire had Sherwood Green up until '56, after all. PaintRef.com has a green cataloged for Kenmore in '58:

paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedis...

If that's a repaint, someone was very meticulous with keeping paint off those door badges!


Post# 664170 , Reply# 20   3/6/2013 at 10:01 (4,070 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Sandy, yes Servel did invent the IM and were first to bring it to market and it is said that WP bought Servel largely to get the patents for this great idea, but it was truly WP and Sears that really were able to get it into millions of homes.

 

I to believe that the color of this ref could be original and yes this is not as great a ref as Frigidaire, GE and some others in 1958 which is why I said that WP really did not have great refs till the 1960s and by the 1970s-today WP built refs are still the BEST overall.


Post# 664171 , Reply# 21   3/6/2013 at 10:10 (4,070 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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"Servel did invent the IM and were first to bring it to market and it is said that WP bought Servel largely to get the patents for this great idea, but it was truly WP and Sears that really were able to get it into millions of homes."

Yeah, I can see how that happened. As great as Servels could be, they were gas fridges, which were not a sales leader - electric fridges were just much easier to deal with, with no installation requirements except plugging in and setting the cold control.

If Servel had ever branched out into electric fridges in a big way, the "killer app" represented by the ice-maker might have changed the course of appliance manufacturing history. As you point out, a reliable ice-maker was not something you could get from just any manufacturer at the time. With an electric fridge lineup, Servel would have been sittin' pretty.


Post# 664183 , Reply# 22   3/6/2013 at 11:36 (4,070 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Also did sell electric refrigerators and they had IMs in both designs, even Servel saw the difficulty of selling gas refrigerators.

 

Gas refs were not powerful enough in warm climates and they always had a difficult time maintaining 0 degree freezer temperatures,

ever hear of a gas food freezer, LOL.


Post# 664188 , Reply# 23   3/6/2013 at 12:23 (4,070 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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I said "in a big way." It would have taken a big, expensive marketing push, because Servel stood for "gas refrigerator" in the minds of the public. Breaking that mind-set with consumers would have taken some real money. What Servel seems to have done is to offer electrics with no particular "push" - sort of an "us too" strategy, which is to say no strategy at all. Had they really hammered consumers with electrics equipped with "The Ice Maker No One Else Has!" things might - might - have gone very differently for them.

We had a Servel in the last apartment we occupied for a couple of years before Mom and Dad bought their first house. I was little bitty then (four and five), but I remember that Mom would get irritated with it sometimes over temperature issues. I also remember her being very happy in the new house that we had an electric fridge.

I can tell you a tidbit I gleaned from a high-end residential architect who was active in the '40s and '50s: Gas Servels were popular at the luxury end of the market. The reason? That golden silence. Rich peoples' nerves fray easily, it seems.


Post# 664192 , Reply# 24   3/6/2013 at 13:00 (4,070 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
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After taking another look at the close-up shots, I agree that the paint is probably original.  The lighting in the full view photo makes it appear to have a metallic finish.

 

I agree with the observation that the GE's and Frigidaires from 1958 do not look 55 years old today.  Most people don't realize my '57 Combo is so old, even with its pink interior, because its exterior lines are so clean.

 

Clearly though, if you're looking to make a statement in your retro modern kitchen, this Coldspot's design is the best one for the job compared to its GE and Frigidaire contemporaries.


Post# 664196 , Reply# 25   3/6/2013 at 13:32 (4,070 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Except for the color, this bottom freezer refrig doesn't look much different than a GE bottom freezer from the 60's or a Frigidaire...and this is a '58. Whirlpool appliances were never as stylish as their sister Kenmore, but this model is an exception. and I agree with John Combo 52 that W/P came into their own in the 60's and after. We had a Coldspot french door bottom freezer with the spacemaster interior in 1966. I LOVED that refrigerator. Very stylish and trouble free. In the 33 years that it lasted, all I did was replace an evaporator fan motor and a cold control. The light bulbs in both sections were original and we NEVER had a problem with the icemaker. In 1988 I bought another W/P french door bottom frezzer; it is 24 years old and the only things I have replaced is a relay on the compressor and door gaskets on all 3 doors. I think it's going to outlast the 1966 Coldspot.

Post# 664205 , Reply# 26   3/6/2013 at 13:58 (4,070 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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"Except for the color, this bottom freezer refrig doesn't look much different than a GE bottom freezer from the 60's or a Frigidaire...and this is a '58."

Here's a direct side by side comparison of the '58 GE and the '58 Coldspot. Beauty is always in the eye of the beholder, but in my opinion, the GE is timelessly sleek. The Coldspot feels very late-'50s, with fussy "glamour" ornamentation and a rounded look that was already out of step with styling trends:


Post# 664210 , Reply# 27   3/6/2013 at 14:22 (4,070 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Let's not forget the clunky exposed hinges on the Coldspot.  That means having to provide dead space on the right for the doors to open fully.  The shoulder hinge design on the GE allowed it to be built in without any gaps, and the forced draft condenser coil underneath provided a clean back for counter-depth installation. 

 

You can't find a refrigerator made today by any manufacturer that doesn't have shoulder hinges, and forced draft condensers are widely used on all models but those toward the BOL.


Post# 664212 , Reply# 28   3/6/2013 at 14:23 (4,070 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Your right...beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

Post# 664214 , Reply# 29   3/6/2013 at 14:27 (4,070 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Lets not forget, styling aside, mechanically you are comparing a FF refrig with a manual defrost one in this instance. Manual defrost usually have a static condenser, though I'm not sure about the Coldspot, it may have a forced air condenser.

Post# 664215 , Reply# 30   3/6/2013 at 14:29 (4,070 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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"the forced draft condenser coil underneath provided a clean back for counter-depth installation."

That feature came at a price, which we paid.

It was easy to ignore or forget the instruction manual's exhortation to vacuum underneath the unit, with the possible result that the unit would build up heat underneath and damage the refrigeration system.

Since Mom was not exactly a demon housekeeper, our '58 had to have a new compressor around 1964 - out of warranty, at our expense. After that, Mom was very conscientious about vacuuming underneath the unit -

She had me do it once a month, like clockwork.


Post# 664216 , Reply# 31   3/6/2013 at 14:31 (4,070 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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GE later made the same basic design totally frost-free, but this '58 was self-defrost in the fridge compartment only. The freezer had to be manually defrosted - a job which fell to me for fifteen years.

Post# 664225 , Reply# 32   3/6/2013 at 15:08 (4,070 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Sharper Look at the Coldspot Ad:

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I've tweaked the perspective and focus, so hopefully this will be a good look at the ad:

Post# 664226 , Reply# 33   3/6/2013 at 15:12 (4,070 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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My '57 Combination has the forced draft condenser and a frost-ee freezer.  I defrost the freezer two or three times a year and it's a fairly quick and painless process since it has a drain that routes water down to the trough on the rear wall of the refrigerator section and from there into the pan at the bottom in front of the condenser fan.  All I have to do is wipe the freezer interior dry, which is a cinch on a top-freezer model.

 

I vacuum the condenser coils no more often than twice a year and even with my lousy housekeeping habits there's not a lot of dust accumulation on them.  I'd really like to find an original pair of knurled-head screws that secure the front grille.  Being able to remove those by hand would eliminate the need for a socket wrench.  Member "juice61" who joined this site and quickly disappeared after he found what he wanted had a problematic '57 he was going to junk.  I e-mailed him with an inquiry about those screws and he never responded.  :-(


Post# 664232 , Reply# 34   3/6/2013 at 15:35 (4,070 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Bottom-Freezer Models:

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Also had a drain in the freezer floor.

For some reason, the instruction manual advised pouring a bit of water onto the drain plug after defrosting and replacing the drain plug. The water froze in place, of course. Probably something to do with a maximal seal of the plug.

With the plug out, water drained into a pan underneath the unit.

BTW, the bottom grille on the bottom-mount model just snapped into place, like today's refrigerators' grilles do.


Post# 664297 , Reply# 35   3/6/2013 at 23:52 (4,070 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Interesting thread! I find it amazing that the paint is original.... because the interior color suggests a pink exterior. I like the GE styling for '57..agree with danemodsandy. Who was leading their design team(s) at the time, to have a design that wore well on the eyes, for another 20 years, easily.

That ad showing a sharper image of the coldspot - can't help think of Easter. It's really different, isn't it?


Post# 664301 , Reply# 36   3/7/2013 at 00:55 (4,070 days old) by washer111 ()        
Self-Cleaning Condenser

Why has no-one come up with a timed brushing system that does this for you? Is it REALLY that hard to achieve? 

 

Whilst I personally prefer "out of sight, out of mind" condensers that live in the cabinet, my sneaking suspicion is that they impact the refrigerator's performance. Perhaps this is why our F&P Freezer (1999) takes FOREVER to cool off after defrost, but can keep things at a chilly -11ºF (-24ºC) when on the manufacturer's "recommended" setting (and Yes, I've turned it right back to keep around 0ºF/-18ºC). What I usually do, is advance past the defrost on it, so it defrosts only every 24 hours, since we don't really go in there all that often, its a big waste to defrost twice daily (and believe me, it doesn't suffer. I've been around 36hrs without D/F this past day). 


Post# 664303 , Reply# 37   3/7/2013 at 01:05 (4,070 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Interior Liner Color

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I don't think there were ever any color choices for interior liners.  You got what the manufacturer was doing that year.  In the case of my '57, the interior liners for that model year were pink regardless of the exterior color.  The color options for exteriors that year were Canary Yellow, Turquoise Green, Petal Pink, Woodtone Brown, or White.

 

I imagine it was a similar situation with Coldspots.


Post# 664327 , Reply# 38   3/7/2013 at 07:16 (4,069 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Late 50s Refs

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Sandy your parents GE where the compressor died had very or nothing with the lack of condenser cleaning. When GE went to the scotch-yoke compressor design around 1955 they had SEVERE durability problems that GE did not correct till around 1963. Almost EVERY GE refrigerator from this time period that I have ever seen either has had a new compressor or needs a new compressor, LOL. It is one of the first things I check if I am looking at an old GE ref built in this time period for someone to use, this is also true of ALL the GE Wall Refrigerators, I have NEVER seen that has not already had a NEW compressor, usually long ago.

 

Refrigerators did go a little wild with colors in the late 50s, I believe that Ralph is correct in stating that manufactures never let you chose an interior color, they did sometimes change them from year to year however.

 

I remember one customer here in College Park Maryland that a late 50s GE ref in cadet blue with a pink interior and deep green plastic breaker strips around the liner, she commented that one would often loose ones appetite upon oping the door when looking for something to eat, LOL. Some of the possible color combinations were just not that great.


Post# 664372 , Reply# 39   3/7/2013 at 14:36 (4,069 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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I'm just saying what my parents were told at the time. I remember my dad being particularly angry about the situation, and that may have had something to do with his knowing better. He was a service tech for RCA, and that was the time frame where his service center did repairs for RCA Whirlpool stuff as well, so he may have felt that GE was using this story as an excuse.

At that, he went out of the fire into the frying pan. As you know, RCA and Whirlpool split back off, but then GE got hold of RCA - the Jack Welch era. Let's just say Dad doesn't like to talk about that time in his life.


Post# 664473 , Reply# 40   3/8/2013 at 04:57 (4,068 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
Buying this 58 coldspot.

Hello!
I stumbled across this thread when trying to find more information on a 1958 coldspot. To my surprise I found the exact same refrigerator that I am planning on buying tomorrow. I know next to nothing about these old refrigerators aside from the fact that they are absolutely beautiful.

I was just wondering if any of you had any thoughts about whether or not it's a good idea to buy this refrigerator? Is the asking price reasonable, should I offer less?
I love it but I'm worried about the extra cost of running it, missing parts and the current problem with the leak and rust.

Thank you all in advance for reading this and any help that you can possibly give :)


Post# 664474 , Reply# 41   3/8/2013 at 05:02 (4,068 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
Buying this 58 coldspot.

Hello!
I stumbled across this thread when trying to find more information on a 1958 coldspot. To my surprise I found the exact same refrigerator that I am planning on buying tomorrow. I know next to nothing about these old refrigerators aside from the fact that they are absolutely beautiful.

I was just wondering if any of you had any thoughts about whether or not it's a good idea to buy this refrigerator? Is the asking price reasonable, should I offer less?
I love it but I'm worried about the extra cost of running it, missing parts and the current problem with the leak and rust.

Thank you all in advance for reading this and any help that you can possibly give :)


Post# 664476 , Reply# 42   3/8/2013 at 05:08 (4,068 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
Buying this green 58 coldspot.

Hello!
I stumbled across this thread when trying to find more information on a 1958 coldspot. To my surprise I found the exact same refrigerator that I am planning on buying tomorrow. I know next to nothing about these old refrigerators aside from the fact that they are absolutely beautiful.

I was just wondering if any of you had any thoughts about whether or not it's a good idea to buy this refrigerator? Is the asking price reasonable, should I offer less?
I love it but I'm worried about the extra cost of running it, missing parts and the current problem with the leak and rust.

Thank you all in advance for reading this and any help that you can possibly give :)


Post# 664477 , Reply# 43   3/8/2013 at 05:10 (4,068 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
Buying this green 58 coldspot.

Hello!
I stumbled across this thread when trying to find more information on a 1958 coldspot. To my surprise I found the exact same refrigerator that I am planning on buying tomorrow. I know next to nothing about these old refrigerators aside from the fact that they are absolutely beautiful.

I was just wondering if any of you had any thoughts about whether or not it's a good idea to buy this refrigerator? Is the asking price reasonable, should I offer less?
I love it but I'm worried about the extra cost of running it, missing parts and the current problem with the leak and rust.

Thank you all in advance for reading this and any help that you can possibly give :)


Post# 664479 , Reply# 44   3/8/2013 at 05:11 (4,068 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
Buying this green 58 coldspot.

Hello!
I stumbled across this thread when trying to find more information on a 1958 coldspot. To my surprise I found the exact same refrigerator that I am planning on buying tomorrow. I know next to nothing about these old refrigerators aside from the fact that they are absolutely beautiful.

I was just wondering if any of you had any thoughts about whether or not it's a good idea to buy this refrigerator? Is the asking price reasonable, should I offer less?
I love it but I'm worried about the extra cost of running it, missing parts and the current problem with the leak and rust.

Thank you all in advance for reading this and any help that you can possibly give :)


Post# 664480 , Reply# 45   3/8/2013 at 05:18 (4,068 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
Buying this green 58 coldspot.

Hello!
I stumbled across this thread when trying to find more information on a 1958 coldspot. To my surprise I found the exact same refrigerator that I am planning on buying tomorrow. I know next to nothing about these old refrigerators aside from the fact that they are absolutely beautiful.

I was just wondering if any of you had any thoughts about whether or not it's a good idea to buy this refrigerator? Is the asking price reasonable, should I offer less?
I love it but I'm worried about the extra cost of running it, missing parts and the current problem with the leak and rust.

Thank you all in advance for reading this and any help that you can possibly give :)


Post# 664481 , Reply# 46   3/8/2013 at 05:24 (4,068 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
Buying this green 58 coldspot.

Hello!
I stumbled across this thread when trying to find more information on a 1958 coldspot. To my surprise I found the exact same refrigerator that I am planning on buying tomorrow. I know next to nothing about these old refrigerators aside from the fact that they are absolutely beautiful.

I was just wondering if any of you had any thoughts about whether or not it's a good idea to buy this refrigerator? Is the asking price reasonable, should I offer less?
I love it but I'm worried about the extra cost of running it, missing parts and the current problem with the leak and rust.


Thank you all in advance for reading this and any help that you can possibly give :)


Post# 664482 , Reply# 47   3/8/2013 at 05:30 (4,068 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
Sorry for the repeated posts

I am so sorry about all of the repeated posts!!!

It kept telling me that it didn't post it so I kept trying again and again.
Then I saw that all of them were posted and now I can't delete them.

So so so sorry :(


Post# 664568 , Reply# 48   3/8/2013 at 12:16 (4,068 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Could be the server update last night had something to do with the message that your posts didn't take.

 

Buying a vintage fridge is always a gamble.  Just the process of loading and transporting it can cause a fridge in perfect working order to develop issues when it reaches its destination.  

 

I think this is the first we've seen of a fridge of this make and model here on AWO.  That's a good indication that parts may be tough to find.  You'll have to keep an eye out for interior and exterior parts.  It's the refrigeration system itself that would be expensive to replace.  You just have to hope it will keep running without issues.

 

I still think the rust on the pictured fridge is a result of not defrosting often enough.  Even with perfect gaskets, you'll get melted water seeping out if enough ice has built up.  The good thing is that the rust is at the bottom where it's not easily visible, and some Rustoleum or other inhibitor should keep it from spreading.

 

If the gaskets are bad, you might be able to find NOS replacements.  Larry at Modern Parts in Parma, OH would be the guy to check with.  They won't be cheap though.

 

It wouldn't hurt to offer less than the asking price.  The leak and rust give you bargaining power, along with the missing front grille at the bottom.  A $75 offer could get you to a $100 sale price, which is a good deal, but if they're firm with $150 that's still not bad for such a nice example of 50's industrial design.  Ask the seller to have it plugged in and cooling when you go to take a look at it.

 

Keep us posted on how you proceed.




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Post# 664584 , Reply# 49   3/8/2013 at 15:39 (4,068 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
As far as running costs go..

You will be plesantly surprised, because it is a manual defrost freezer, not only will it keep food better, it will cost very little to run, the energy hogs are the frost free fridges.

Post# 664730 , Reply# 50   3/9/2013 at 15:22 (4,067 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
rust on fridge

First I want to say thank you for the help. I didn't buy the refrigerator yet, I wanted to ask them some questions about the rust first. I got some new pictures of the bottom of the fridge where the rust is. It looks like the freezer opens up with some sort of pedal, not sure though. To me the rust doesn't look that bad but I don't really know much about this kind of stuff.

I just bought an O'Keefe & Merritt stove and the burner for the griddle was completely rusted through. I'm pretty sure I'm going to need to replace it. I just don't want to make the same mistake with the refrigerator.

Here are the pictures of the fridge.


Post# 664731 , Reply# 51   3/9/2013 at 15:24 (4,067 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
pictures of rust

more pictures....

Post# 664732 , Reply# 52   3/9/2013 at 15:25 (4,067 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
pictures of rust

Last picture

Sorry about the size of the pictures


Post# 664739 , Reply# 53   3/9/2013 at 16:03 (4,067 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Yeah, that rust is more widespread than the ad copy suggested.  It looks scary, but could just be on the surface.  You really should tilt the fridge backwards so you can see underneath.  It may or may not be something that a good cleaning and a generous application of Rustoleum would fix.  It would be best to remove the molding from around the front of the freezer since it appears there may be some rust behind it that also would need to be treated.

 

Those two protrusions for the leveling feet obviously are supposed to hold a grille.  I'm betting the feet are rusted in place and can't be adjusted anymore, but that can probably be remedied and would be the least of your worries.

 

What I find interesting is that the freezer interior isn't lined with textured aluminum.  It resembles the interior of a frost-free model.  It appears to have a drain opening on the floor.  Is there a removable plug in it?

 

The first picture you posted with the foot pedal shows the gasket isn't sealing at the bottom.  That would explain the water leakage and accumulation of rust.  You might be able to adjust the door latch mechanism to make it close tighter, but that will only help if the gaskets are in good enough shape to provide a seal.

 

I don't know what that powdery white stuff is, but it looks like it has obscured the model information and other specifications.

 

Given the issues this fridge has and the fact that it's missing its grille and some key interior parts, I'm not so sure I'd pay $150 for it.  Would I consider it a candidate for a daily driver in a retro kitchen?  No.  Would it be OK in a garage, a party room or as an overflow/drinks fridge?  Probably.  But -- have you confirmed it operates properly and cools in both sections?  Run away -- don't walk -- if it doesn't.

 

As for the stove you bought, a new thread showed up today with a link to an eBay seller out of Covina who may have the part you need.  Here's the link:



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Post# 664771 , Reply# 54   3/9/2013 at 18:50 (4,067 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1958 Coldspot Refrigerator

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The rust is very serious, the insulation below the freezer floor is almost certainly full of water, this was a common problem with many refrigerators with fiberglass insulation, I would not take this ref for free unless you just want it for the look and might only turn it on for a party.

 

You can also see paint over-spray on metal parts in your new pictures, either the ref is not the original color or someone has already tried to fix a rust problem.

 

As I had said before WP did not come into building a good ref till the mid 1960s, but unfortunately when they went to a Frost Free designs they used way too much electricity to consider using them today, even two door refs like this were not very economical to run. I have been working on appliances for over 40 years and have always though Sears and WP refs from this time period were cool but I have never seen one in good enough condition to save even going back 30+ years.

 

If you are looking for a classic ref that can be used for everyday use you are best off with an older manual defrost single door model, or something from the 1990s and newer and have it painted a cool color.  John


Post# 664772 , Reply# 55   3/9/2013 at 19:05 (4,067 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
Question...

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John, could it be a system related issue? Isn't that corroded/rusted plate right about where the system tubing enters the machine cabinet? Maybe I'm thinking of the rust on the Admiral and GE top mounts where the heat exchanger (cap tube) separates from the suction line going up the back of the cabinet and thereby ices up and rusts the area around it...

RCD


Post# 664778 , Reply# 56   3/9/2013 at 19:25 (4,067 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1958 Coldspot Refrigerator

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You are correct Andy that the corroded aluminum plate [ which was the model tag ] was used to cover the refrigerant lines as they came from the inside of the ref and went back under to the compressor and condenser. And yes a badly overcharged system, or more likely a manual defrost ref like this that was left running for years with less than a perfect freezer gasket without defrosting for a few years could cause enough ice on the suction line to cause this type of damage.

 

BUT I will still put my bets on saturated insulation below the freezer, we used to see this when the model tag was this badly corroded, we used to drill or punch holes in the metal shell above the evaporation tray and water would poor and drip out for days. When refs had wet insulation their performance really suffered, especially when the freezer was on the bottom.


Post# 664828 , Reply# 57   3/10/2013 at 01:29 (4,067 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
Cost to fix?

I love the look of the fridge but I don't want to break the bank to get it fixed.
I would need it for everyday use. Do any of you know whether it's problems can be fixed and if so around how much it would cost?
I don't think they are at all willing to come down on the price. And from everything you guys have said the thought of buying it is starting to become less and less likely.


Post# 664834 , Reply# 58   3/10/2013 at 03:37 (4,066 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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It would be costly to fix -- if you could find anyone willing to make the repairs.

 

This is a job for someone who has the skills and abilities to do it themselves, not to mention any parts that might be necessary.

 

If the sellers aren't willing to budge on price, I think you would be wise to pass this machine by.  It doesn't even have all of its shelves and accessories, and odds you'll find a donor fridge are ridiculously long.

 

Since you want a fridge for everyday use, be both patient and vigilant and something complete, in better shape and with a retro look will come along.

 

Keep in mind that if you limit your search to a pre-1960 fridge, you should plan on having to defrost the freezer a few times a year.  If you're willing to go a little newer, you could enjoy the convenience of a completely frost-free system and still have retro exterior color options.


Post# 664837 , Reply# 59   3/10/2013 at 04:09 (4,066 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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See the link for another Coldspot from the same period that belongs to someone I know.

About power consumption, I have plugged my 1963 16 cu-ft Frigidaire frost-free bottom freezer fridge on a wattmeter and for 33 days now, and it averaged a cost of less than 29 cents per day at 7.5 cents per KW/h for a total of $105 per year so far. Not exactly an energy star model but not that bad either... That's with the butter conditioner left to "off" but it still has eletric mullion heaters that work, the original defrost timer that defrost every 12 hours and the original refrigerating unit (a 7/32 hp. rotary compressor), freezer kept at below 0°F and the room temp where it is at 75°F. The numbers shown on the wattmeter pictured below are the number of hours since it's been plugged (unlike newer models with hot gas mullion heaters, the old fridges constantly draw some current when they're plugged because of the electric heaters) and the total consumption since it's been plugged at a rate that I set at 7.5 cents per KW/h (which is the current rate here).

The Coldspot bottom freezer in the link is also being tested with a wattmeter for power consumption but I haven't got the results yet.


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Post# 664843 , Reply# 60   3/10/2013 at 04:31 (4,066 days old) by washer111 ()        

Oops - didn't realise your electricity rates were cheaper than our 22 c/kwh. Anyway, your model here is doing about AU$100 more than our 1999 F&P N388 Full Freezer (around 400L capacity) - which isn't too bad, considering it is an upside down model. Our freezer defrosts every 12 hours (of compressor operation) for 22 minutes with a 900w heating element. Runs for around 15 minutes of that, I think. 

 

For the record, our freezer uses around 940kw/h per year based on the government standards testing of the day - so I'd imagine it would be using about the same as your Frigidaire in this case (Whoopee! Yours gets a 4 out of 6 stars for energy efficiency - so its "Energy Star" compliant for the year of 1999).

 

I imagine the Frigidaire's VERY GOOD efficiency (for its age - not that bad for an era of supposedly "Very inefficient" refrigerators) can be attested to the saving-est refrigeration system, the simplest cold mechanism "ever invented:" The Meter-Miser (obviously a rotary compressor). 

 

Below is a video of the compressor being dis-assembled/autopsied: 



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Post# 664844 , Reply# 61   3/10/2013 at 04:52 (4,066 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Thanks for the link! I have already seen this video (which shows a very similar Meter-Miser compressor but probably 1/8 or 1/6 hp. instead of 7/32 hp.). BTW, do you know when GM Holden-Frigidaire (or other brands) introduced Frost-Proof models in Australia? I recently learned that in France, they already had Frost-Proof models back in 1966 which probably used 1/6 hp. compressors like the 12 cu-ft models here.

French ad from 1966
FROST-PROOF


If electricity rates were at 22 cents/KW/h here, it would cost 308$ per year to operate my 1963 Frost-Proof fridge...

The defrost timer on my fridge is also a fixed 32 minutes defrost each 12 hour, the elements are 600W and they stay on about 15 minutes too. A relay in the defrost timer allows the compressor to start immediately after the defrost thermostat switch opens but you can hear the timer click back to the non-defrost position 32 minutes after the defrost cycle began. About an hour later, you can hear the relay inside the defrost timer that de-energizes as the defrost thermostat closes again. Some older models like my 1961 Frigidaire defrost just once a day.


Post# 664845 , Reply# 62   3/10/2013 at 05:11 (4,066 days old) by washer111 ()        
Frost-Free

I know of a F&P Commercial where they state they "invented" Frost-Free in the 1970s. (See link below)

 

Our "Old Freezer" (A 1964 Metters), which died 3 years ago, due to a blown starting relay, was not frost free. Heck, that thing was in far worse condition than this thing here (although it was fine until it was moved out of the house when the F&P models came). I'll bet that thing had VERY WET insulation, practically rusted through! 

 

Since Dishwashers in this country didn't really penetrate till the 1980s, and even then, they were pretty BOL machines, I would imagine Frost-Free was also quite a luxury, till the mid-late 70s (I know friends who had an older 70s refrigerator, and being very young at the time, I said "It isn't even Frost-Free!" They replied, "We couldn't afford them back then!"). The GE Commercials for Australia from the early 80s have a HUGE lineup, and they include Side-By-Sides - so they would've been Frost-Free (I'll link in a commercial in another post)



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Post# 664848 , Reply# 63   3/10/2013 at 05:30 (4,066 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Thanks for the link. I also thought that in Europe, frost-free fridges were introduced much later until I saw the ad I posted above. European fridges usually seem to have narrower cabinets too but the one in the ad seems to be a 32" wide model, just like those we had here. Here's a picture of my 1965 12 cu-ft fridge. It's an Imperial model but I've recently seen a Canadian Deluxe Frost-Proof model with an interior very similar to the one in the French ad. These fridges still used rotary compressors but they looked different from the old Meter-Misers as they had no external cooling fins. Some manual-defrost and Cycla-Matic Frigidaire fridges made here started to use Tecumseh compressors in the mid-1960s but the Frost-Proof models continued to use Frigidaire rotary compressors.

As you can see, I don't use this fridge much, it's currently in plugged in my garage, but I'll also test it with a wattmeter to see how it does compared to the bigger 1963 bottom-freezer.
IMG-20130212-02285


Post# 664851 , Reply# 64   3/10/2013 at 05:38 (4,066 days old) by washer111 ()        
And the GE Commercial:

Complete with nice jingle!



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Post# 664873 , Reply# 65   3/10/2013 at 10:45 (4,066 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
FF Refrigerator Defrost Cycles

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111 your F&P refrigerators defrost heater would not likely use 900 watts AND stay on for 22 minutes, if it did it would likely start to not only melt frozen food but start to cook it a little LOL. 22 minutes of 900 watts is about 900 BTUs of heat that would have to be removed from the interior of the refrigerator and 900 BTUS is likely more than the full capacity of the refrigerating system of the refrigerator, so the ref would have to run at least an hour just to recover from defrosting alone, let alone any normal cooling needs.

 

Hi Phil, impressive testing on the power consumption of your old Frigidaire refs, things to keep in mind however.

 

Frigidaire refs were generally always a little more economical to operate than most other brands of the same time period.

 

In the states we pay closer to double for electricity than you are paying. And because of our warmer climate not only is the ref going to be operating in a warmer home most of the year than 75F but we also have the added cost of running central A/C half of the year so the actual cost of running an older ref can be VERY expensive here.


Post# 664914 , Reply# 66   3/10/2013 at 14:45 (4,066 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I know that John,
You're absolutely right.

Here, the extra heat generated by an old fridge is mostly saved in the heating bill during cold months (and most people including myself use electric heat). But in summer, the extra heat generated by old appliances means a/c need to work more to remove the extra heat... As you move south, the power consumption and heat generated by old fridges becomes more an issue as electricity rates move up and a/c usage is also required for a longer period of the year rather than heating.



Post# 664941 , Reply# 67   3/10/2013 at 16:29 (4,066 days old) by coldspot58 ()        
lowered price

I spoke to the owners of the refrigerator and they actually agreed to lower the price of the refrigerator to $100 if I can pick it up by tomorrow.

Apparently they made a mistake and the fridge is actually a frost free model that also has a drip pan that goes beneath it. They also mentioned that the previous owners used it as their daily fridge and that it get cold in both sections as it should. They believe the rust is just on the surface, that it isn't rusted through anywhere.

So if it isn't a manual defrost it will be more expensive to run?

Here is a picture of the bottom of the fridge


Post# 664943 , Reply# 68   3/10/2013 at 16:45 (4,066 days old) by washer111 ()        
Combo52

You caught me there: Although, I did mention that it only runs for 15 minutes at the most. It is "cycled off" by the defrost thermostat when it gets to 46.4ºF (8ºC), then continues until the timer turns the refrigeration system back on.

 

But regardless of that, it struggles to get the temperature back down (especially in the summer) - usually 2-3 hours before it gets back to at least 0ºF/-18ºC. The factory thermostat setting keeps at least 5ºC colder than that, which is pretty darn wasteful, IMO. So I've soft-pedalled it to around -22ºC and that seems to help things a little. I know that more frequent cycling isn't so good for the compressor, so it running flat out doesn't concern me too much. Besides, it might help keep things dry in there, lol (I've put my thermometer/humidity measurement thingy in there, and the humidity is around 45% most of the time) 


Post# 664949 , Reply# 69   3/10/2013 at 17:46 (4,066 days old) by moparguy (Virginia)        

WOW, $100 for such a cool, great overall condition, complete, running beautiful fridge!!! Sounds like a wonderful and irresistable addition to your home!


Post# 664964 , Reply# 70   3/10/2013 at 19:34 (4,066 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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My guess is that the parts of the system that make it frost-free likely failed quite some time ago.  I doubt highly that it's frost-free anymore. 

 

That's still a lot of rust under there, and I still wouldn't consider it a viable candidate to be your everyday fridge. 

 

You may, however, be in the driver's seat on this deal.  If the seller wants it gone and nobody else is showing interest, you might offer them $50 for it based on the issues you'll have to address.  It wouldn't be a bad gamble at that price.  You could test it out and try to locate and resolve the problem that's causing the rust before making repairs and putting it in your kitchen.

 

 

 

 


Post# 664988 , Reply# 71   3/10/2013 at 22:04 (4,066 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1958 Coldspot Refrigerator

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This refrigerator is NOT frost free, it had a pan underneath to catch defrost water during MANUEL defrosting, it may work but I would run away from this deal even if they give it to you and deliver it to your home, LOL.


Post# 664992 , Reply# 72   3/10/2013 at 22:52 (4,066 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        
So you can do the math...

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US average retail electricity price is is 9.83¢ per kwh. The northeast is quite a bit higher than the rest of the country, by and large. Of course taxes add to the bite.


 


Prices for individual states are at the link.  Or you could consult your electric bill. ;)



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Post# 665002 , Reply# 73   3/10/2013 at 23:19 (4,066 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Just asking a question here is the confusion the refrigerator is frost free with a manual defrost bottom freezer section? Reply #11 @ Norgeway, I agree with you about manual defrost keeping frozen food better. I always can tell by ice cream when we infrequently have it, ice cream seems slimey in the modern FF Hotpoint in the kitchen, when i keep it in the chest freezer downstairs it seems to have a much better texture. It really scared me one night I opened the top freezer on the HP in the kitchen and i could see the orange glow of the defroster. Who Knew? I guess I was standing at the right angle at just the right time in a dark kitchen when I opened the door. When we talk about defrost heaters i thought about something more along the lines of "electric blanket" type heat, not a glowing heating element. I had never noticed it before or since. I did keep an ear until it started running again. alr

Post# 665006 , Reply# 74   3/10/2013 at 23:25 (4,066 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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That's an interesting link John. I thought that electricity rates were much lower in the northeast US. I found something similar for Canada.



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Post# 665018 , Reply# 75   3/11/2013 at 02:11 (4,066 days old) by washer111 ()        
Freezer Burn:

I've found that if you keep your freezer cold enough, the texture issues aren't so apparent, although, they are still there.

I hate how cardboard Ice-Cream packages get all soggy in the manual defrost models, but they do the same in the Frost-Free, (and accumulate ice, go figure). 

 

Our freezer has a lovely glacier growing in the very bottom right corner. Its always done it, and performance hasn't suffer, so I'm assuming we've got an air leak in the poor thing somewhere causing it to grow (no refrigerant lines or anything in the vicinity, as far as I can tell too). 


Post# 665298 , Reply# 76   3/12/2013 at 01:28 (4,065 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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Phil your chart confirms that the Canadian provinces that can power themselves largely with hydroelectric resources have the lowest rates -- Quebec, Manitoba, and British Columbia. They all do some exporting to adjacent US states...a good position to be in.

Post# 665462 , Reply# 77   3/12/2013 at 19:20 (4,064 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
What John Said.

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The '58 GE Combination I've already mentioned in this thread was self-defrosting in the fridge section, manual defrost in the freezer, with a drip pan below to catch defrost water from doing the freezer defrosting job.

So, a drip pan in a fridge from this era does not automatically mean a frost-free freezer.


Post# 665523 , Reply# 78   3/13/2013 at 04:07 (4,063 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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And cycle-defrost refrigerators (with manual defrost freezers) do need a drip pan for their refrigerator section too...



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