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Anyone remembers the time when powder detergents were sold in cotton bags?
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Post# 671006   4/7/2013 at 07:27 (4,041 days old) by nrones ()        

...anyone? :)




Post# 671007 , Reply# 1   4/7/2013 at 07:30 (4,041 days old) by Westie2 ()        

I remember detergents only in cardboard boxes.  What we had in cloth was flour, salt, and sugar in cloth bags. 


Post# 671012 , Reply# 2   4/7/2013 at 07:58 (4,041 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
T Bags

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I remember in the 1980s you could buy what looked like very large T Bags these had two lots of powder in them seperated by the same sort of disolvable paper as the bag, i cannot remember the name a freind of mine bought them and showed me.

Post# 671013 , Reply# 3   4/7/2013 at 08:15 (4,041 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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I remember some of the 'bargain' or store brands of laundry detergent in plastic bags, but I don't recall ever seeing cloth bags.

Post# 671016 , Reply# 4   4/7/2013 at 08:25 (4,041 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

Nope, never cloth bags, but cardboard boxes, cardboard drums, plastic buckets and plastic bags (refills).

Post# 671018 , Reply# 5   4/7/2013 at 08:46 (4,041 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Not here in Italy from what I know..... only paper cylinders,  boxes and plastic refills, then after the 80s  plastic  bags became the main container  because bags were and are  self standing with a large base and detergent coming in them were cheaper....infact here very few people almost nobody still transfer bags content into paper or plastic conrainers...

I'm just not 100% sure about the first detergents of Mira Lanza such as Triton and Neptun in the 50s.
Triron was powdered soap while Neptun was surfactans based detergent...
But I think they were paper bags...not cloth bags...I find it pretty strange.
Was not unusual for Sugar, Flour and Rice....some rice,corn and flour still come in cloth bags over here,  the ones you buy directly from small country towns groceries or directly from farmers  and I live in an Area famous for Wheat, Corn and Rice production....
But elsewhere not....you can't just find stuff coming in cloth bags...
Here a website showing how a Triton and Neptun looked like:
marcoeula.tripod.com/id9.html...


Post# 671019 , Reply# 6   4/7/2013 at 08:54 (4,041 days old) by dixan (Europe)        

The only detergent in cotton bag I remember is Yugoslavian Persil from the early 80's. For my mother it was a real treasure beacause obviously it was great. My grandmother brought it after a trip to Yugoslavia.
I also remember that in my country Yugoslavian and Hungarian detergents were thought to be fantastic, especially Hungarian Biopon was very famous, but very rare.


Post# 671021 , Reply# 7   4/7/2013 at 09:14 (4,041 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        
But I do remember little Calimero...

...and his adventures.

Post# 671054 , Reply# 8   4/7/2013 at 11:09 (4,041 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        
powder detergents

there may be the question; remember when we could buy them (?), with liquids now taking over the shelf, when that happens, I'm done :0

Post# 671058 , Reply# 9   4/7/2013 at 11:17 (4,041 days old) by nrones ()        
In Yugoslavia...

Just as "dixan" implied, at one point, all detergents that were made in Yugoslavia were actually sold in cotton/linen bags.
I have some of them at my grandma's place (Persil and Faks I think), however I don't have any pictures of them. If anyone has any picture of linen bags, I'd be happy to see it :)

Thiese days, in 2013, Serbian company Beohemia launched beautiful advertising campagin "Like the old days" where they sell their powder detergents like...well, picture will say more than I can with words ;)


Post# 671059 , Reply# 10   4/7/2013 at 11:20 (4,041 days old) by nrones ()        
Close up

This one has scent of lilac :)

Post# 671067 , Reply# 11   4/7/2013 at 11:54 (4,041 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Is it supposed to be unseamed when empty to get a nice free dishtowel ?

Post# 671071 , Reply# 12   4/7/2013 at 12:11 (4,041 days old) by nrones ()        
@mrboilwash

yes, exactly, there's even instruction on how to do that :)

I'll post a pic of it how it looks as dishtowel when I unseam it


Post# 671075 , Reply# 13   4/7/2013 at 12:21 (4,041 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Yep, Dishtowel Promotion!

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And it looks like it will remind you to buy Duel for as long as you have it, LOL!

P.S.: It's a very handsome windowpane check, that's for sure.


Post# 671084 , Reply# 14   4/7/2013 at 12:50 (4,041 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Oh Okay, now that makes a little more sense.....then it become a dishtowel....
The era of gifts in detergents in Italy was from the 50s to the late 80s....some even in the 90s also as Dash and Dixan...

I recall the cards of Mira Lanza viewable in the link above  and the plasic toys of Tide with Disney characters, these plastic toys are a childhood remember of almost every italian born and raised in 50s, 60s and early 70s...including my father...
It raise up even a saying over here, people of a certain age used to say for example while meeting a crazy driver: "Hey, who gave you the driving license? Did you find it as gift in the Tide?"....

These Tide gifts are now became  really collectibles over here as for some of the gift   gadgets in detergents...

A typical example of a Tide gift of the 60s a Snowhite doll:
http://www.ebay.it/itm/REGALO-DETERSIVO-...
Others then  indeed used to drop every kind of gifts in detergent packages in 80s and 90s, from dishtowels, drinking glasses, dishes, calculators, clocks, portable radios etc....

There is even a facebook page aboust nostalgic of gadgets in detergents, and I raised up during the era of gadgets inside the Dash....


Here is a Dash calculator:


Post# 671091 , Reply# 15   4/7/2013 at 12:59 (4,041 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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A Dixan Photo camera, probably of  later 80s and early 90s and I would bet I have one like that somewhere in the basement:
http://annunci.ebay.it/annunci/fotografi...
A Dixan radio of the 90s:


Post# 671120 , Reply# 16   4/7/2013 at 15:01 (4,041 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Soap Chips Yes, But Don't Recall Powdered Detergents

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Coming in cotton bags.

Even soap chips didn't last long as even for large commercial/insitutional use they switched to huge cardboard containers, just as detergents.

Considering how powdered detergents should be kept dry, storage in a natural textile sack alone seems not to fit the bill. Especially as at least on this side of the pond many Americans had laundry areas in damp basements. Those cotton sacks would moulder and the contents absorb moisture to the point of becoming rock hard.


Post# 671319 , Reply# 17   4/8/2013 at 09:57 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Hi Dejan,

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I do because the two of us lived in the same former Country.
I guess Yugoslavia was the only (or one of the few) Country where detergents were sold in cotton bags to be reused as dishtowels.

I like this "revival" of the DUEL detergent :)

Here are some of the old "bags" ...

Ingemar


Post# 671321 , Reply# 18   4/8/2013 at 09:59 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Persil

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Post# 671322 , Reply# 19   4/8/2013 at 10:00 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Pro-dixan

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Post# 671323 , Reply# 20   4/8/2013 at 10:01 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Pro-dixan

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another one of the same brand

Post# 671324 , Reply# 21   4/8/2013 at 10:02 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Faks

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Post# 671325 , Reply# 22   4/8/2013 at 10:03 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Rubel

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Post# 671326 , Reply# 23   4/8/2013 at 10:04 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Malbi

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Post# 671327 , Reply# 24   4/8/2013 at 10:05 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
RIO

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Post# 671328 , Reply# 25   4/8/2013 at 10:06 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
AVA

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Post# 671329 , Reply# 26   4/8/2013 at 10:08 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Persil

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another Persil

Post# 671330 , Reply# 27   4/8/2013 at 10:09 (4,040 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
DAM

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this one is a bit "recent" , the last I saw in cotton bag

Post# 671403 , Reply# 28   4/8/2013 at 15:40 (4,040 days old) by nrones ()        
Wow! Thanks Ingemar :)

Well guys, now you see how was it in the past here, and why did I have cotton bag detergents in my head :)

I must say that generally, I like when companies imply something from "good old days" in their new products :)

Dex


Post# 671407 , Reply# 29   4/8/2013 at 15:53 (4,040 days old) by dixan (Europe)        

Let's make it clear. Inside the linen bag the detergent is packed in another plastic bag or it isn't? Otherwise how it is protected from moisture?

Post# 671421 , Reply# 30   4/8/2013 at 16:18 (4,040 days old) by nrones ()        
hmm

on the new Duel - yes, on the old ones Ingemar posted - I don't think so

Post# 671432 , Reply# 31   4/8/2013 at 18:41 (4,039 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Love the DAM ~

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With all the colored balloons. It would be easier to stuff the bags into drawers and spaces that are too small for inflexible cardboard. So convenient and easy to carry over the shoulder.

We once had Breeze detergent that came in boxes with dish towels inside. Long gone.


Post# 671537 , Reply# 32   4/9/2013 at 07:41 (4,039 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Mikey

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didn't Fab have towels packed inside at one time? Or was that just glassware??

 

Ingmar, neat collection of detergent bags, so colorful!! Thanks for sharing!

 

jetcone

 

 


Post# 671592 , Reply# 33   4/9/2013 at 13:04 (4,039 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I remember large sacks of flour with a towel stitched onto the bottom seam. They would be cascading down over each other on the bottom shelf in the grocery store. When my mother was growing up, you could not buy bread in the store so it was baked at home and flour was bought in 50# sacks so the sacks were used to make clothes: underwear, and dresses mostly.

Post# 671616 , Reply# 34   4/9/2013 at 14:43 (4,039 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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Has been around for a long time, and with all sorts of consumer goods.

My "company" flatware and china - now considered rather nice - were originally giveaways or piece-with-purchase items. The flatware, Oneida's Queen Bess, was a Betty Crocker giveaway. I have a complete service for 8 in the pattern, 126 pieces, including all the rare stuff like orange spoons, demitasse spoons, etc. This is a silverplate pattern, and while the body is a little lightweight, the plating is first-class, including a heavier-plated reinforced area at the heel area of spoons and forks.

The china, Royal China's Currier and Ives, was a piece-with-purchase promotion for A & P. You remember - buy ten bucks' worth of groceries, get a dinner plate for 19 cents.

They used to give some very nice stuff away as an enticement to buy.


Post# 671744 , Reply# 35   4/10/2013 at 03:03 (4,038 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Thank you jetcone.

@ dixan: as far as I know the detergent was sold only in the linen bag alone, no plastic bag inside. It is a bit strange but so it was. Inside the bag it was a small slip of paper (cardbord) with the dosing instructions.

But they were also on sale cilindric or rectangular cardbord boxes of detergent. But especcialy in a given period of time the linen bags were much more popular.



Post# 671746 , Reply# 36   4/10/2013 at 03:51 (4,038 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Flour, Sugar, Grain, Feed, etc.. Sack Cloth

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Was very popular with rural/farm housewives, especially if the family didn't have much. Those sacks would be taken apart and the cloth used to run up everything from undergarments to clothing. Those who remember such things often say they would kill to find such fabric today. Sadly when the mills what produced such textiles shut down, the equipment was either sold off overseas or simply left to rot inside the shuttered buildings.

Many vintage laundry/housekeeping manuals in my stash give directions for "bleaching" sack fabric to remove the lettering/printing thus make the cloth better suited for clothing.


Post# 671756 , Reply# 37   4/10/2013 at 06:36 (4,038 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Wouldn't "Bleaching" to get rid of the printing or patterns weaken the fabric so it couldn't be used for clothes and such?I guess other packaging matrials replaced the sackcloth-the bag cloth would be more expensive than paper,plastic bags and such.

Post# 671757 , Reply# 38   4/10/2013 at 06:39 (4,038 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
No Time Now To Look Up Furhter Reference

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But IIRC chlorine bleach/Javelle water wasn't one of the methods, though could be wrong.

There isn't anything wrong per se with chlorine bleaching of cotton materials, after all that his how "unbleached" cottons goods get to white (usually). It is just the repeated exposure and failure to rinse properly and neutralise any remaining traces of chlorine bleach that causes the problems.


Post# 671793 , Reply# 39   4/10/2013 at 11:27 (4,038 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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I think bleaching them one time didn't much to the cloth, bleach ruins and weaken clothes...that's  for sure a fact.
But just one time does not make " very big" changes....
I used to do that while dying at home.... t-shirts, Polo shirts, pants etc...when I've to clear a color on a cloth I simply do a hand wash using half water and half chlorine  bleach and let it sit from 2 mins to 5 in my bath tub... no more, and then rinse...dry and dye.

You've to note that some dark colors like black or blue once bleached turns out a very light pink....it was surely meant to clear the light color prints....also true that sack printing dyes were probably not the same used on clothing...
Anyway..... the theory Launderess tells is fully applicable and credible per -se .... a little weird maybe... but  for example during  the Great depression every free piece of cloth was a treasure, expensive to purchase, nothing was thrown away in those years...it was anyway a "free" thing of course and even if not the best cotton around it surely made the difference for a family not having much money to go ahead...




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Post# 671846 , Reply# 40   4/10/2013 at 16:34 (4,038 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Mom's family boiled the sacks in the wash boiler to remove the inks or whatever, but some people kept the flowered patterns. Boiling is very effective for bleaching cottons, hence the "boilwash" temps in some washers in countries that did not use chlorine bleach.

Post# 671852 , Reply# 41   4/10/2013 at 18:01 (4,037 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
theory Launderess tells is fully applicable and credible per

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It is not "weird" nor a theory, but fact. You can head over to any USA sewing website group and hear persons speak of their mothers (if not themselves) using sack fabric for clothing.

To be clear we are *NOT* speaking of those small sacks of detergent shown in above posts. But 25lb-50lb or greater sacks which are really quite large once the stitching is removed and the material laid flat.

What *you* have to understand is that at one time some people living in rural and or farming areas were poor, some even dirt poor. When you are living pretty much hand to mouth with several children to clothe you take fabric where you can get it. There was also the aspect of not allowing anything to go to waste, which is common to farming life then and still today.


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Post# 671859 , Reply# 43   4/10/2013 at 18:55 (4,037 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
theory Launderess tells is fully applicable and credible per

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Look that I meant "theory" of bleaching in response about saying that bleaching ruined/got weak the clothing, about being weird, was meant as unusual, and well it would be  ... if you see it with the eyes of a modern person it would be weird or hard to figure out... you don't always meet someone who dress up of sacks ( sounds bad I know told this way)... I don't attend tailors  as you  probably do so just do not know how popular is in this ambient among them right now, what I know no-one I met ever told me " Look I made it with a flour sack" that's what I mean...at someone's eyes that would be weird, well not weird, unusual, that's it!

As stated, it was fully comprehensible and common in the past and I think not only in farming compounds, as said I think it was a common practice even during the years of depression to re-use such cloth  for personal or child clothings.....


Regarding sack dimension, I think is enough clear for everyone that we're not talking about the ones of detergents shown above...
And I really don't need to understand that : " at one time some people living in rural and or farming areas were poor, some even dirt poor. When you are living pretty much hand to mouth with several children to clothe you take fabric where you can get it. There was also the aspect of not allowing anything to go to waste, which is common to farming life then and still today."

I just tell you my  86 Y.o granma raised in a farm in Veneto Polesine (Poor farmer area),  she  still keeps everything, even the paper bags for the bread for a future alternative use, despite everyone complaints about her habits I like to supoort her as I know why she does it,   she  raised  in a family of 10 sister and brothers, a very poor farming family...and I enjoy her tells so I know everything about life was in a poor farm.  I always been told that I inherited this conservational  farming spirit from her,  which  is also usual for elderly people generally, not only ones raised in farming areas,  and I'm proud of it....It's just sad people nowaday's are just the opposite...that's why I like the idea of re-using sacks for clothing! Probably you misunderstand me, or probably I could not express at best what I meant to say...


I already knew  all of that....thank you anyway Launderess




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Post# 671861 , Reply# 44   4/10/2013 at 19:11 (4,037 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Tom, so it was also by boiling, so it should not have even been  a strong ink, I thought infact it should have been different than clothing dying..
That's interesting.




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Post# 671863 , Reply# 45   4/10/2013 at 19:23 (4,037 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
The Ink Didn't Always Wash Out!

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As in this photo of Marilyn Monroe, in an outfit cooked up by Twentieth Century-Fox's Wardrobe Department to support the Publicity Department's claims that their new starlet was so gorgeous she'd look good in a gunny sack:

(Just thought I'd lighten up the proceedings!Wink)


Post# 671868 , Reply# 46   4/10/2013 at 19:32 (4,037 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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If they were bigger, I'd just love a T-shirt made with this flour sack keeping print on the front! I totally love it! And reminds me of Mom and Granma.
Love it!!!!
.www.ksheritage.org/miva/merchant....


Post# 671906 , Reply# 47   4/11/2013 at 02:35 (4,037 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I watched a PBS program about the Dust Bowel days and many scenes in the movie show people wearing clothes made from flour or other produce bag materials-you can still see the lettering and prints on the clothes.Yes-in that era people recycled and repurposed EVRYTHING they could.My Dad,Granddad,Grandmother,and Mom,Stepmom told me about these things,too.It was amazing what people made from the sackcloth in those times-and every household had a sewing machine,and kit of tools so they could do all kinds of things not thought of today.

Post# 672344 , Reply# 48   4/12/2013 at 21:36 (4,035 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)        
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HI there, I remember as a kid, that Breeze detergent had inside the box a wash cloth in the regular size, jumbo size had a dish towel and the Giant size of Breeze had a bath towel. They were advertized as being made by Cannon. They were thin and didn't last long.
Duz and Silver Dust had glassware inside of their boxes.

In the Breeze, the wash cloth, dish towel and bath towel were packed inside the Breeze box in a smallish cardboard box. All of this took up room, so after you got the box out of the big box, there wasn't a lot of detergent left. Mom didn't use it much. Gary


Post# 690406 , Reply# 49   7/19/2013 at 08:38 (3,938 days old) by damirko ()        

It is so cool to see this pictures of old washing powders in cotton bags which everyone transform in kitchen -dish clots after they spend detergents :-)
My mother have some of this kitchen clots still on my households
This Idea of cotton bags came from ALBUS-Novi Sad -Serbia in 1964 they produced very first washing machine detergents with enzyme called CRNI BIK (Black bull) and they want to make family packs because before this washing powder was pack in mini boxes of 250gr. Soon after this second soap company in Yugoslavia Saponia-Osijek-Croatia 1968 made also they first washing machine detergent FAKS Helizim and YETI and they also took this idea of packing in 3kg cotton bags after them Labud Zagreb produced Lind and Fjodor Ozon and Zlatorog from Slovenia joined with Mixal and rest is history....
Unfortunately when economical crisis stroked in Yugoslavia in 80's many of Yugo soap company's stopped with cotton bags and turn on big boxes or plastic bags :-(



Post# 690407 , Reply# 50   7/19/2013 at 08:43 (3,938 days old) by damirko ()        

Celebrating 45th anniversary this year 2013 of FAKS HELIZIM Saponia Osijek made cotton bags Jubilee packs with this detergent



Post# 690640 , Reply# 51   7/20/2013 at 01:58 (3,937 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Remember when other things came in the cotton bags--and the bag cloth could be used for clothes,towels,rags and so on.The ultimate "green" container!!


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