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Thread Number: 47839
Hoover keymatic slowly coming back to life |
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Post# 694385 8/5/2013 at 11:49 (3,916 days old) by ricky5050  (Durham Britain) |
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Post# 694386 , Reply# 1 8/5/2013 at 11:52 (3,916 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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New boot | ||
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Post# 694387 , Reply# 2 8/5/2013 at 11:55 (3,916 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Transit brackets | ||
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Post# 694388 , Reply# 3 8/5/2013 at 11:56 (3,916 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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New hoses | ||
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Post# 694391 , Reply# 4 8/5/2013 at 12:03 (3,916 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Washing | ||
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Post# 694392 , Reply# 5 8/5/2013 at 12:18 (3,916 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Wash video 1 | ||
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Post# 694393 , Reply# 6 8/5/2013 at 12:27 (3,916 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Wash video 2 | ||
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Post# 694405 , Reply# 7 8/5/2013 at 13:41 (3,916 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Well Done Ricky | ||
| Post# 694428 , Reply# 8 8/5/2013 at 15:56 (3,916 days old) by christfr (st louis mo) | ||
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Post# 694464 , Reply# 9 8/5/2013 at 17:44 (3,916 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA) |
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Classic Washer | ||
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Post# 694571 , Reply# 10 8/6/2013 at 02:28 (3,916 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Turnover
Hi David I still have the transit brackets in place which holds the drum upright , it hangs on a thin cable , a bit like the brake cable from a push bike and has been known to snap as I knew it couldn't spin I left the brackets in place to try it out as its not had water in for 40 years. If the drum was free it would probably sink down and change angle and give a more vigorous turnover. The load was only 1 tea towel and a few rags, the keymatic as also sold on the fact the wash did circulate rather than drop n flop like a bendix, the impellor at the back would stir things up on certain cycles. ( not working at mo as connected to spin pulley)
Cheers Richard | ||
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Post# 694573 , Reply# 11 8/6/2013 at 02:58 (3,916 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Keymatic
Hi Richard
Good job on the work in progress, its always great to see these old machines up and running again - especially as its a 3224, the first version. Hopefully when Matthew (keymatic3203) sees this he may be able to offer some assistance on the spin clutch. Actually, if you look at the videos from Chestermike, Gary (Electron1100) & myself (admittedly all of the same machine) the wash action of yours does not look a great deal different, even if the wash drum has not lowered. Al | ||
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Post# 694580 , Reply# 12 8/6/2013 at 07:28 (3,915 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Cheers
Cheers Al , yes after looking at another on you tube they do tend to wash in a circular motion which I have to say looks very good and perhaps gentler on clothes ? Mine may have filled with water more had it been allowed to sink down.
Re the spin clutch , its either the pulley is worn and slips over the clutch rollers, or the clutch rollers are worn and don't grip, it even slips when turning by hand. I do have one more new part the brass hub both pulleys turn around, but thought I'd have one last search for a new pulley and or clutch rollers before I dismantle that bit. The sump hose although not leaking is stiff and I feel were it to be moving with a swinging drum may split, does anyone know of something that can be rubbed in to rubber to keep it supple and soft ? ( this is not a fetish outfit question ! Lol not with my shape any way !!) Thanks again Richard | ||
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Post# 694608 , Reply# 14 8/6/2013 at 10:35 (3,915 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Glycerin used for lips and chapped skin is | ||
| Post# 694633 , Reply# 15 8/6/2013 at 12:13 (3,915 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
KEEEmatixs
Brilliant Ricky to see another one coming back to life, these are the most fascinating machines to me, all mechanics and switches.........I just love them
I am sure mat did a repair/replacement job on Jons (deeprinser) keymatic sump hose, some times the valves unstick after a bit of use, but if you handy with a craft knife you can dismantle the valve and you will see the rubber bung has swollen and this stops it sealing, I paired this off carefully and got it working more by luck than judgement but worth a try. Keep up the work really pleased about this Gary | ||
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Post# 694734 , Reply# 16 8/6/2013 at 16:22 (3,915 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Hi thanks
Hi thanks guys!
I have had the clutches apart, I was told grease on them stopped them working so cleaned it off they looked complete, I'm guessing now they'd benefit from some grease! I'm going to keep the hunt up for new rollers and a pulley. If I can get the inlet valve working and leak fixed it may be fun to use it as a washer only and spin the clothes separate until I get the spin clutch fixed. Ill try the glycerin too! Thanks guys for all your comments ! Ricard | ||
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Post# 694765 , Reply# 17 8/6/2013 at 19:20 (3,915 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA) |
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Thanks Richard | ||
| Post# 694890 , Reply# 18 8/7/2013 at 14:17 (3,914 days old) by sesteve (London, UK) | ||
Wow. Well done Richard on getting it up and running and fantastic that you have the transit brackets for it. There wasn't much of that door boot left cor. Looks like a great machine to work on and if you follow Austins tip you'll end up with better hands than you started with.
Look forward to following progress with this Steve | ||
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Post# 694932 , Reply# 19 8/7/2013 at 15:51 (3,914 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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It may be a while before I'm all up and running ..... | ||
| Post# 694941 , Reply# 20 8/7/2013 at 16:21 (3,914 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland) | ||
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Lovely machine, I wish I could experience one if not own one. Is that a 9544? Is it 1000 or 1200? I wouldn't mind one of those either LOL! | ||
| Post# 694962 , Reply# 22 8/7/2013 at 17:17 (3,914 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK) | ||
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forgot to say That pusator cluch drive plate and housing look brand new, and I did notice the `patented round the world' clothes peg to hold the brake off, though I didn't have you down as the type to use plastic pegs, not very 60's lol. Just great to see you've been enjoying it. Mathew | ||
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Post# 695124 , Reply# 23 8/8/2013 at 12:14 (3,913 days old) by slowspin66 (lincoln uk) |
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keymatic spinning
Hi Richard good progress has been made. What i remember about the clutch is that if there is any play in the pulleys then the bronze/copper bush will be the culprit. There are 4 slots in the bush with the clutch rollers and spring mechanisms. The spin pulley will have play when moved from side to side, hands at 9 o'clock and 3 o clock. Obviously this one wears at a different rate to the wash part of the bush due to the speed difference. The bush is connected to the tub drive shaft with an allen screw.
The bronze bush is a softer metal than the steel pulleys or clutch rollers so tend to wear sooner. Nothing is too difficult to get repaired !!! It may need re machining. Darren | ||
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Post# 695978 , Reply# 25 8/12/2013 at 07:37 (3,909 days old) by syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, MD) |
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looking at... ....this machine, I think of something like a British Westinghouse, and they look like awesome washers- did these have a dryer to match it too? Enjoy! Robert | ||
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Post# 716024 , Reply# 27 11/18/2013 at 08:43 (3,811 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Keymatic
Unfortunately I cannot help with the capacitor specification although there are those who should have the knowledge when they see the thread.
I believe that you are mistaken about the marketing of the machine as it is likely that Charles Colston (effectively the "founder" of Hoover UK) retired before the Keymatic was even on the drawing board - I think the comments you refer to were actually about the Hoover A307 single tub machine for whom its compact size was one of the marketing features as can be seen in the film below This was indeed a very valid point as the vast majority of UK kitchens that emerged in the housing boom of the 1920s and 30s were absolutely tiny, so storage was a real issue. It was only when post WW2 when housing regulations were changed to specify kitchens of a more useful size, particularly in public housing. And that continued at least until 1958 when the Hoovermatic was introduced, and as usual with Hoover, very heavily promoted, as can be seen below Actually as its stands the slant fronted Keymatic had about the same practical "footprint" as its main competitor at the time the English Electric Liberator, the Parnall/Thor models although it was rather smaller than the Bendix machines. Much as I love all the Keymatics I don't believe the slant front was necessarily a clever design, more of an interesting one, and in many respects over-engineered for what it needed to be - and as a consequence they were not noted for reliability. Unfortunately I do not know enough about the machines to say how much the design of the Keymatic was influenced by the Westinghouse Laundramat machines to which it bears some similarities although very much smaller. There was no equivalent dryer for the slant front Keymatics, and indeed Hoover did not manufacture dryers until the introduction of the "matchbox" series of machines in 1972/73, the matching dryer to the wide body Automatic and Keymatic machines was manufactured by English Electric, this model having its design origins in (surprise surprise) Westinghouse models Al | ||
| Post# 716053 , Reply# 28 11/18/2013 at 12:09 (3,811 days old) by fido () | ||
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I think the capacitor would have been around 20 microfarad, 450 volts ac. This site offer to look up the correct one for you: CLICK HERE TO GO TO fido's LINK | ||
| Post# 716066 , Reply# 29 11/18/2013 at 14:24 (3,811 days old) by jameison () | ||
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Thank you for clearing that up vacbear58. 'Twas only word of mouth info I had received. Was also told that the Pye Colston dish washing machine was designed by the same chap, so wonder if this is incorrect also. | ||
| Post# 716069 , Reply# 30 11/18/2013 at 14:48 (3,811 days old) by jameison () | ||
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Thank you fido. Had a look there and poked about in the forums but decided to wait a while and see what turned up on here first to keep things simple. Will proceed if no luck here. Your help is very much appreciated. | ||
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Post# 716516 , Reply# 31 11/20/2013 at 13:56 (3,809 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Hi | ||
| Post# 716595 , Reply# 32 11/20/2013 at 18:06 (3,809 days old) by jameison () | ||
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Thank you Ricky, would be much appreciated as I have had no luck from various other lines of enquiry. Some feelings of affinity here. My Dad's family came from your neck of the woods, Mal. | ||
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