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Thread Number: 47943
I Think my duet washer has the black mildew problem |
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| Post# 695418 8/9/2013 at 20:11 (3,913 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
hello to all aw members,
i think my duet washer has the black mildew problem but it is not related to the the fact that i wash in cold water as there is no bad smell when i take the dispenser out i think it is related to the fact that i sometime use liquid fabric softner just before doing the next load i did a clean cycle using hot water with bleach, a few minute ago i soak in the kitchen sink the fabric softner bleach part of the dispenser in hot water and bleach now i am washing it in the dishwasher i have also activated the steam sanitize to see if the extra hot water from the dishwasher sanitize steam rinse will help and also since my duet washer is a 2004 it is the model with no water heater to heat the wash water luckly i have no bad smell as after every load i leave the washer door half open or fully open when i can. 
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| Post# 695421 , Reply# 1 8/9/2013 at 20:38 (3,913 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
Pierre
I find it interesting that you immediately jump to the defense of cold water washing when identifying there is a mould problem with your own machine....
There are reasons why so many machines now have a 'clean washer' programs: - people are washing in cooler/cold water - washing machines thermostatic controls on US machines have 'dumbed down' temperatures - 'Hot' isn't 'Hot' anymore etc.... - there is a swing to liquids - people overdose with fabric conditioner - people shut their machines, preventing them from drying and creating the perfect mould environment Now I'm not suggesting that you do all of these things, but you certainly DO wash in cold water and now have an issue. Once mould is in a machine it can be devilishly difficult to get rid of. A single hit with the 'clean washer' program and bleach will not do it. If you will listen long enough, and take heed of a couple of pieces of advice from people who have used front load machines for longer than you have: - use a quality detergent - powder is better IMHO - moderate fabric conditioner use - wash AT LEAST one load a week in hot water If you had listened to folk on here rather than being pig-headed about 'everything is fabulous in cold', it is highly likely that you wouldn't have this problem. | ||
| Post# 695424 , Reply# 2 8/9/2013 at 20:46 (3,913 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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i will not change the way that i wash in cold water thats how i learn to do laundry so that will not change and also again i say its not related to cold water and also please note that its an older washer thats on its last leg so i never know when it will break and have you ever tough that for those that have bad smell might be related to the fact that hot water may be a breeder for such mold or bad smell compared to cold water witch prevents such mold again i repeat the olny time i will use hot water is for bedding and i also will never use bleach. and also if for budget reason my mom and me have to buy a top load i am considering the huebesch top load washer model zwn432 with matching electric dryer.
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| Post# 695428 , Reply# 3 8/9/2013 at 21:09 (3,913 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Pierre
Do whatever floats your boat.
I ultimately do not care one iota given you will not listen to, or heed, any advice that has been given to you generously and with significant knowledge by numerous people on this forum. A small dose of humility wouldn't go astray, though I suspect obtaining that would be akin to banging my head against a brick wall in your case! Quite simply, you are wrong and you are now harvesting your crop in line with the old adage 'You reap what you sow' | ||
Post# 695440 , Reply# 4 8/9/2013 at 22:12 (3,913 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Cold Water Washing In A FL Washer | ||
| Post# 695477 , Reply# 5 8/10/2013 at 00:54 (3,912 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
Must be something seriously the matter with me. I've run frontloaders in a climate with dewpoints in the high 60s (F) 9 months out of the year for ~30 years and never experienced skankwasher syndrome.
But I do wash at temperatures above where body soil becomes an impenetrable wax, roughly 95F. Speaking of impenetrable wax, fabric softener which I don't use. Like I said, must be something seriously the matter with me. Not having experienced skankwasher, can't say what to do about it. See your dealer? | ||
| Post# 695497 , Reply# 9 8/10/2013 at 03:32 (3,912 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
puzzled
What has always puzzled me about your washing habits is, that you wash your bedding in hot water, this I presume is because your skin comes into contact with the sheets etc, do I therefore assume that you wear some sort of paper disposable undersuit so your clothes do not come in contact with your skin?
If you do not wear a protective undersuit then it makes no sense at all to wash your clothes in cold water if they also come in contact with your skin. On another point raised I have long had thoughts about plastic tubs and mould built up...........but that's another story Gary 
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| Post# 695509 , Reply# 12 8/10/2013 at 05:43 (3,912 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
I own and use the same Duet set as shown and have had them over a year now. I wash in hot or warm water, use Gain liquid(not the HE /low dissing) and Gain fabric softener.once my wash is through,I checkthe boot for possible lost socks or small garments, wipe the residue water out and leave the door wide open. There is no sign of mold or mildew and the only issue is the edge or outer rim of it's boot has dry rotted and has cracks. That's caused a slight leak but as old as this model is,it could have easily become junk had the door not been left open after use.I will go to Sears service center this weekend to pick up the boot I ordered last Wednesday. I got this matched set from Smith's free with the drawers abscesses out the pump where lava sand was evidently the cause of pump failure. After that was done,it's become one of the best sets I've ever had. They seam love bigger loads. Very quiet too.
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| Post# 695510 , Reply# 13 8/10/2013 at 05:44 (3,912 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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Post# 695522 , Reply# 14 8/10/2013 at 06:18 (3,912 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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I have to run the hot water as well if I use either the washer or the dishwasher.My water heater is in a utility room in my garage with the HVAC unit.And of course have to run the hot for a while to get a warm or hot shower-my bathroom is on the other end of my house. | ||
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Post# 695534 , Reply# 15 8/10/2013 at 07:57 (3,912 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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not sure which part to start first....lets keep it simple for the general population of common sense......
we all know the time proven facts of COLD water washing, physics ain't getting past that one, no matter who you are!.... washing machine cleaners, although a waste in my book, but to each his own, only clean the inside of the machine, not the dispenser drawer and surrounding areas leading into the drum.... so it never hurts to remove it, clean it really well with hot water and a toothbrush, and take a mild/mildew bathroom spray, and treat the dispenser slot, and scrub as well, and a final rinse.... but never to change habits or learn something new is ludacris...... I learned to drive with a stick shift, but now drive an automatic I can ice skate, and also learned to rollerskate.... I learned to operate a washer, and now know how to work on one..... but idiotic to think that once you learn one way of doing things, and that another way, or everyone else is wrong, or a new way of doing things can't be learned....or that someone else's idea may not be better....unreal! obsurd to think that one grows up with a 12 number dial on a TV with an antennae on the roof.....and yet we now have digital cable with over a thousand channels to choose... or a dial telephone...and the new wave is touchpad! best off.....dont' talk about your habits, and I won't talk about mine!.....but I will always share thoughts and ideas of things I have discovered and learned, and ask opinions of what everyone thinks? someone is always gonna try to build a better mousetrap! | ||
| Post# 695567 , Reply# 16 8/10/2013 at 11:01 (3,912 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA) | ||
While it is now most likely completely redundant, I would also like to say that I have been doing ONLY hot- or warm-water washing since I have had my Frigidaire FL and I have no mold or smell problems. The washer smells like it did the day it arrived here. I use bleach and oxyclean with whites as well as fabric softener, though I use only a minimal amount.
I'm also one of these fanatics who runs the hot water in the bathroom (which is directly on the other side of the wall from the washer) before I turn on the machine and I usually add two or so extra gallons to the wash water (always hot!) manually given the pitifully small amount of water modern FL'ers use. | ||
| Post# 695586 , Reply# 17 8/10/2013 at 12:48 (3,912 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Nor I In the five years that I have had my Bosch, I have had no mold or mildew problems and no offensive odors of any kind. I do leave the doors open a little when it is not in use. I don't know if that is really beneficial, but it makes me feel good. So anyway. | ||
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Post# 695588 , Reply# 18 8/10/2013 at 13:18 (3,912 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts) |
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going on 7 | ||
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Post# 695590 , Reply# 19 8/10/2013 at 13:37 (3,912 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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>10 Years With The Miele & No Probs
Use mainly 100F, 120F and 140F with most loads at the first two. Never routinely use liquid detergents, but do use oxygen bleaches often. Also after each use the boot/inside door are wiped dry with a paper towel. Ditto for the soap drawer and inside the dispenser comment. Finally door of washer is always left *OPEN*.
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Post# 695591 , Reply# 20 8/10/2013 at 13:45 (3,912 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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granted my 5500series Neptunes have an intense flush for the last rinse, but thru normal practices, I have never experienced mold or mildew...
I wash mainly HOT or WARM, bleach as needed, and softener one in a while....theres never been a build up, or a clean out needed.....I don't leave the door or dispenser open....and the only COLD wash is dog blankets and black jeans... in the beginning I could not understand how others machines were having an issue that I never have....but thru this site, have learned how it can happen for some! | ||
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Post# 695709 , Reply# 21 8/10/2013 at 19:10 (3,912 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Now I have the exact opposite problem...
as in I do a lot of hot/boil washing and have noticed the door boot on my Miele is starting to whiten and loose its grey colour I have touched it and its dead smooth no raised bumps or anything Oh and NO odour other than a hint of Ariel there also is NO sludge or scale on the metal of the tub I can see it is just shiny stainless steel. One other thing I have to mention is I have never ever washed in cold water it would not even dissolve the powder here in winter.
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| Post# 695959 , Reply# 24 8/12/2013 at 00:00 (3,910 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR) | ||
It's not quite fair to lambast all cold water washing. It does have its uses. Light-to-moderate soils can wash perfectly clean in cold water, provided the "cold" water is a reasonable degree of cold and not the temperature of barely melted snow. Additionally, cold washing should be factored into the trifecta of the chemical-mechanical-thermal set of variables. When using cold water, a correspondingly adequate quantity of detergent should be used in conjunction with a cycle that is of more aggressive action or longer in duration, to offset the cleaning ability lost to the lower thermal energy variable.
There is a misconception that clothing and linens that come into contact with human skin need to be washed in water at least 98.6F to remove the body oils. 98.6F refers to the body's core temperature, not the skin surface temperature where oils and sweat are excreted, accumulate, and form sebum. If skin temperature was 98.6F human beings wouldn't feel warm unless they were in an environment 98.7F or warmer. Point being, the sweats and oils that accumulate on the skin surface where the temperature is lower than 98.6F can be effectively cleaned away in water that's in the 80-90F range (or 30C). However, the bacteria that feed on those oils can survive those temps, so while regular cold water washing might be effective for certain person's needs, the washing machine itself may require certain maintenance, such as a regular hot water or sanitize wash, possibly with the addition of bleach or some other disinfectant. | ||
| Post# 695965 , Reply# 25 8/12/2013 at 03:40 (3,910 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
4 years and counting with a Miele FL and never once had to do a "maintenance wash". I regularly use hot washes - both 60 and 90 degrees - and clean the seal of my machine just by wiping it down with some anti-bac cleaner sprayed on a cloth. Takes all of about 15 seconds to do.
I think the correlation between mouldy machines and cold water washing is quite obvious. It's also one that's been scientifically proven. I'm not getting into a debate about Pierre's washing habbits - trust me, you won't like what I have to say on the subject - but with regards to the mouldy machine, have you tried running it empty on a boil wash to clean it out? Maybe with a tiny drop of bleach or something? Should clean it up no problem. | ||
| Post# 695972 , Reply# 26 8/12/2013 at 06:15 (3,910 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Anit-bac what? | ||
| Post# 695973 , Reply# 27 8/12/2013 at 06:19 (3,910 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Malcolm | ||
| Post# 696027 , Reply# 28 8/12/2013 at 12:21 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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aqua cycle
thank you and for your info my washer do not have the extra hot water temp as my washer has no internal water heater yesterday i did a cleanup of my washer with some scrubbing bubble mildew remover on the door seal and soak the detergent dispenser with srubbing bubble mildew removal help alot then ran my washer on the hotwater temp 1:04 hour four minutes with extra rinse seems to have clean my washer, and i think when i have to use liquid fabric sofner i will had with the fabric softner some warm water. even if i would select for a normal wash the warm water temp i think the washer i have the warm water temp is more like cool water because even if my washer is a 2004 generation 1 duet i think the water temp are dumb down because what ever temp i use it requires both water valves to be open what ever the selected temp is. and also i need to be watchful on the cycle i use normal/casual cycle with is by default 40 minutes can sometime be to long when i do not need to use the extra rinse unless the detergent i use has a strong perfume sent then i use extra rinse witch raise the wash time to 49 minutes well even do i admit that i do not like the washer i have i am living with it until i can replace it as it do the job of washing my clothes. but sometime even if its to shorten the drying time i wish i had a warm rinse option and higher spin speed on my actual model it do not has its a 3 wash rinse temp model.
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| Post# 696032 , Reply# 29 8/12/2013 at 12:50 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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and for members that are thinking of bashing me beccause of
Before some members on here decide to bash me here is a story the 2004 duet washer in my first pic was the first time i bought a front load washer since i was passing from a top load to a front load at the time of purchuse (in 2004) i did not know much yet about the actual model that i have and also i have seen on the site some post about those that where not satified with there washer sometime and had them exchange or replace them because of the fact there where not satisfied even do i have not been satisfied with my actual daily driver the reason for this is because of the fact that 1 i have to light up the control panel first compared to some newer models that as soon as the washer door is open lights up by it self 2 if i use the warm water temp on normal casual if i have 2 loads to do because of the last load for the second wash load even if i set the washer to warm because of the last rinse water enters cool and also my washer is not in the basement or first floor level of my home so hot water have to come true the basement pipes to the second floor where my washer is located. and also has some members ever been disatisfied of a washer they bough because of a poor choice they made at the time like in my case passing from a top load washer to a front load. well thats why when i buy my next washer ether it be a topload or front load i will be basing my choice depending of the cycle i need and options and also i would like to add that the choice of a washer depends on how many loads that is done per day.
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Post# 696036 , Reply# 30 8/12/2013 at 13:19 (3,910 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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If you are trying to get a hot wash and can't run a faucet next to the washer, try starting the washer, empty, on a hot wash cycle. Once the water runs hot (you can feel it in the drawer), stop the cycle and drain the water. Then you can start a hot wash cycle with hot water ready to enter the washer.
When running a warm wash, you can just set it to hot. The cold washer and cold water in the hot water line will hopefully end up giving you a warm wash. Since your washer doesn't have a heater, you won't have to worry about it turning on, heating the wash water to hot. | ||
| Post# 696042 , Reply# 31 8/12/2013 at 13:29 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 696044 , Reply# 32 8/12/2013 at 13:33 (3,910 days old) by Mich2013 () | ||
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Not trying to be rude here... But, you should really consider writing your posts in Paragraphs and Sentences. For me, and I'd assume other users on this site, it's just a huge block of text, and I don't feel all that compelled to really read. | ||
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Post# 696107 , Reply# 34 8/12/2013 at 17:57 (3,910 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 696110 , Reply# 35 8/12/2013 at 18:22 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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logixx
i have check my washer very closely 1 there is no bad smell i even check like a youtube video that was posted on the site if my drain pipe had black spots witch is not the case the rubber gascket has no black spt as well and do not smell bad even inside the rubber seal there is no black spot if there would of been sign of mold it would not be black spots.
But would of cause my washer to smell bad when leaving the door open the mildew problem like i stated in my first post is located in the fabric softner part of the dispenser if my duet washer would of develop a bad smell i would of notice it when removing the clothes. I even do usaly before the month end run my washer on a full cycle set on hot water or warm 1:04 + extra rinse with no afresh or bleach just hot or warm water normal casual cycle to clean my washer or remaining excess detergent and to clen the dispensers that would flush out if there was remaining detergent, bleach or fabric softner from the dispenser and when needed if my washer smells like humidety use tide cleaner or afresh. | ||
| Post# 696112 , Reply# 36 8/12/2013 at 18:41 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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pictures of my detergent dispenser if this can clear this up | ||
| Post# 696113 , Reply# 37 8/12/2013 at 18:43 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 696115 , Reply# 38 8/12/2013 at 18:45 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 696117 , Reply# 39 8/12/2013 at 18:48 (3,910 days old) by geoff (Cape Coral, FL) |
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Pierre, | ||
| Post# 696118 , Reply# 40 8/12/2013 at 18:57 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 696121 , Reply# 42 8/12/2013 at 19:11 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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thank you hoover
thank you hoover,
thank you very much sometime i wish that for the first rinse if my washer could flush the fabric softner using warm water for the first rinse as if it would fill in warm water for the main wash then as soon as the fabricsoftner is flush then switch for the rest of the fill to cold water that would help its strange but when i chose that model back in 2004 is the fact that i regret not chosing a model with a warm rinse option. Prof that we learn from or mistake | ||
| Post# 696125 , Reply# 43 8/12/2013 at 19:35 (3,910 days old) by aladude () | ||
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You wish it had a warm rinse option but you only wash in cold water? How would that help you in the slightest? | ||
| Post# 696130 , Reply# 44 8/12/2013 at 19:57 (3,910 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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| Post# 696276 , Reply# 45 8/13/2013 at 17:34 (3,909 days old) by frontloaderfan (Merrimac valley, MA) | ||
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At the risk of being shot at... | ||
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Post# 696304 , Reply# 46 8/13/2013 at 19:42 (3,909 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 696322 , Reply# 48 8/13/2013 at 20:51 (3,909 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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cleaning the dertergent dispenser
any way before cleaning it in the dishwasher i soak the dispenser in the kitchen sink first then put it in the dishwasher and last step to fully rinse was run my washer on a full cycle no clothes.
i think when using fabric softner the option would be to disolve the fabric softner in warm water or use a downy ball if this is possible in a frontload washer but idk | ||
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Post# 696429 , Reply# 49 8/14/2013 at 10:06 (3,908 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Adding hot water is a good idea, but you should regularly clean out the dispenser drawer to remove any buildup that can support mold.
I like to use fabric softener, but I use just a little bit. For some reason, Downy fabric softener tends to gum up my dispenser, even in summer when my cold water is over 70F (21C) from the tap. I usually add a bit of hot water to bring the level up to the max line of the dispenser when I use Downy. Just be sure to close the drawer slowly to avoid triggering the siphon action, dispensing the softener early. Snuggle seems to flush out fine without leaving an residue. Curiously, Gain fabric softener, which I would think would be similar to Downy since they are both made by P&G, rinses out of the dispenser drawer cleanly. | ||
| Post# 696548 , Reply# 51 8/14/2013 at 20:38 (3,908 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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washer 111 thank you
washer 111 thank you right now i have tryed the brand fleecy i use snuggle witch seems where the water was alerady added right now i am using this brand of fabric softner
CLICK HERE TO GO TO pierreandreply4's LINK | ||
| Post# 698964 , Reply# 53 8/26/2013 at 07:21 (3,896 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Growing up
We always USED warm wash/cold rinse on EVERYTHING (if I remember correctly)
I don't ever remember using just COLD/COLD I do remember my parents and my grandma refusing to use HOT because it would drain all the hot water out of the water heater, but sometimes I would sneak and do it anyway....and the same goes with the dishwasher heat dry cycle. We were not allowed to use that. At any rate....ever since I've been out on my own, I've used HOT way more than warm and NEVER EVER cold. My DUET ( which is the same age as the OP ) still smells fantastic inside and I DO use a wee bit of diluted fabric softener | ||
| Post# 699864 , Reply# 55 8/29/2013 at 19:36 (3,893 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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mrx,
Mrx reread my first post, my 2004 whirlpool duet washer is a model with no internal water heater and do not have what you call a boil wash or sanitize cycle anyway i change brand for fabric sofner seem to help as the kind of fabric sofner i use is more liquid.
And also my washer do not have a drain filter as the filter is self cleaning on my model. | ||
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Post# 699877 , Reply# 57 8/29/2013 at 21:25 (3,893 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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"And also my washer do not have a drain filter as the filter is self cleaning on my model."
I think you model should have a filter as well. As for high water level: my Whirlpool is electronically more advanced then yours and it doesn't mind if I add extra water to the cycle. If I wanted to clean my machine, I'd set it on a hot wash and, once the fill has completed, open it up and pour as much hot water into the drum as I could (up to the door seal, basically) and restart the cycle. | ||
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