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Post# 702041 , Reply# 1   9/8/2013 at 15:12 (3,882 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)   |   | |
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....Do cost a bit to run, but they're not enormously expensive to operate.
And your house may well feel warmer when there is not clammy laundry hanging everywhere! The moisture coming from those clothes will make the house feel colder than it would otherwise. There is not a great deal of difference between the energy consumption of older units and newer ones, because electrical resistance heating is what it is, leaving little way to improve the consumption. For that reason, you might consider a used or vintage unit, and apply the savings to your first year's electric rates. |
Post# 702042 , Reply# 2   9/8/2013 at 15:15 (3,882 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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What about Ebay? Or a charity shop that sells electricals? |
Post# 702045 , Reply# 3   9/8/2013 at 15:25 (3,882 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Well, I think the most of us owns one.....but may be not from the UK, so the running cost change from country to country..not sure about electricity cost there. For personal experience I can say european models generally changes like night to day from american ones... simply incomparable... european are kinda "toys"... Over here in Italy because of high cost of electricity (the hghest of europe) dryers are not that common, but gas models sold from speacial dealers along with agitator washers are spreading always more...the cost of these machines is prohibitive for the most though... |
Post# 702048 , Reply# 5   9/8/2013 at 15:48 (3,882 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 702052 , Reply# 6   9/8/2013 at 15:56 (3,882 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 702053 , Reply# 7   9/8/2013 at 15:58 (3,882 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 702056 , Reply# 8   9/8/2013 at 15:58 (3,882 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 702058 , Reply# 9   9/8/2013 at 16:03 (3,882 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 702059 , Reply# 10   9/8/2013 at 16:05 (3,882 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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If one goes about the thing properly.
Tumble dryers on average are rather sturdy and long lived appliances with proper use and care. Even some of the more better built models can survive years with improper treatment and will still scrub up well. Most persons chuck perfectly good dryers because they want something "new", usually to match a recent washing machine purchase. This and the desire to simply upgrade or simply want something "different" are common reasons for perfectly good tumble dryers going to the tip or being sold on. First decide what your needs are in terms of space, type (vented/non-vented, gas or electric) and if you want something modern with all the bells and whistles or simply a box that will dry your clothing. Do you want a machine that reverses? If vented where will it go to be near an outside wall or window? Do you want something portable so it can be moved about into place as needed then shoved away otherwise? As for where to purchase the world is your oyster. Ebay and appliance resellers are obvious first choices. If possible try to purchase something you can clap eyes on before money changes hands. You don't want to spend dearly for some grotty old bit of tat that is going to require extensive work to bring up to standard. Great thing about purchasing used is that often you can pick up a TOL unit such as offerings from Miele, AEG and so forth for very little money. However if purchasing something older it is wise to inquire (here in the group or from other sources) as to the availability of spares. Miele for instance only promises to stock parts for 20 years after a model is discontinued. |
Post# 702060 , Reply# 11   9/8/2013 at 16:06 (3,882 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 702061 , Reply# 12   9/8/2013 at 16:07 (3,882 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 702062 , Reply# 13   9/8/2013 at 16:11 (3,882 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 702066 , Reply# 14   9/8/2013 at 16:20 (3,882 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Post# 702071 , Reply# 15   9/8/2013 at 16:49 (3,882 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)   |   | |
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Post# 702088 , Reply# 16   9/8/2013 at 18:23 (3,882 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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then you need to go for a new "heat pump " dryer !
Ok they take a bit longer than the classic above but if times not an issue then what takes a while saves a fortune the max input on the Beko I have is 900 watts so when you consider most dryers run at 2.5/3 kw thats a large difference it will of course be non vented but as it really is a closed system there really is no steam or dust to be found. Austin |
Post# 702099 , Reply# 18   9/8/2013 at 18:46 (3,882 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Are directly related to how much moisture is left in the wash load that must be evaporated. Miele and AEG among other brands printed or at least used to drying times based upon various levels of washing machine extraction. This would range from say 800rpms all the way up to 2800rpms (spin dryer). For both vented and condenser dryers energy use/drying time drops dramatically the more water is spun out of the wash load. Difference is greater from say 800rpms and 1200rpms, however once you go to 1800rpms to 2800rpms the numbers begin to level out.
If your washing machine does not have final spin speed at or >1000rpms you might wish to consider a separate spin dryer. Yes, it adds another step on wash day and no not everything will fit (large cotton blankets for instance), but the amount of water flung out of laundry by these devices is often amazing. Spin dryers remove the water so your dryer does not have to, and that translates into energy savings. You may not notice much of a difference with light cottons such as percale sheets and your shirts, but for heavy items like towels and other bath linen there is a measurable difference. Best of all spin dryers consume *much* less energy than tumble dryers. Barely 50watts IIRC. |
Post# 702255 , Reply# 19   9/9/2013 at 10:04 (3,881 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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I don't ever remember not owning a tumble dryer. My Mum got her first dryer in 1979 and we've had one ever since. I'd be totally lost without it. I rarely use the dryer for clothes - it's mostly for bedding and towels and things that take up a lot of space to dry in the house when it's wet outside.
A few things to consider: Condenser dryers are more convenient as they can be placed anywhere, but they take a lot longer than a vented dryer and require more maintenance. Single direction dryers have a habbit of tangling up large items like towels and bed sheets. White Knight dryers may be made in Britain, but the newer models are notorious for bearing failure and they no longer reverse like other conventional multi-direction dryers. Indesit and Hotpoint basic vented dryers are far more reliable and also still made in the UK at the old Hotpoint plant. |
Post# 702257 , Reply# 20   9/9/2013 at 10:20 (3,881 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 702294 , Reply# 21   9/9/2013 at 14:45 (3,881 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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Thanks for all the helpful links KenmoreGuy and Laundress. Have plenty to read and make an informed decision. |
Post# 702296 , Reply# 23   9/9/2013 at 14:49 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Hard wiring a dryer.....well, there're a few school of thought about it, in the USA things changes than europe and UK and you actually are generally *never* required to hard wire a dryer to a 240 volt hook up, they're generally already predisposed for dryers or stoves and so wires are already large enough, so the same way plugs and oulets are meant to support it...
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Post# 702298 , Reply# 24   9/9/2013 at 15:01 (3,881 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 702306 , Reply# 26   9/9/2013 at 15:13 (3,881 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK)   |   | |
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Thanks Matt. Not too expensive to use really. |
Post# 702309 , Reply# 27   9/9/2013 at 15:41 (3,881 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 702323 , Reply# 28   9/9/2013 at 16:43 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Yes...... of course...that's why I said it as well if you read carefully, is not a matter of plugs mosltly, but rather of their fuses and of course house wiring...
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Post# 702334 , Reply# 31   9/9/2013 at 18:07 (3,881 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)   |   | |
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In a word no we don't. The 13A socket is universal and designed for anything from a table lamp to a Euro type washing machine/dryer. Anything above 3.2kw requires a fixed dedicated radial type circuit. These are normally 25A for dryers and 32A/40A for cookers/showers. These are normally hardwired although the Blue round Euro plugs/sockets can be used...
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Post# 702337 , Reply# 32   9/9/2013 at 18:14 (3,881 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)   |   | |
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Remember UK guys the simplest way to minimise running costs is to make sure you dry on cheap rate power if you have it- I pay just short of 15p/KWH but this drops to less than 6.5p/KWH off peak(12.30-7.30AM or 1.30=8.30AM during BST). My Miele heat pump uses around 2kwh for a full load so its a worthwile saving!
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Post# 702342 , Reply# 34   9/9/2013 at 18:34 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Allen, sorry, I'm not sure I can get the sense of the your statement about Netherlands.....
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Post# 702353 , Reply# 36   9/9/2013 at 19:41 (3,881 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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*LOL*
As one who owns several European appliances with heaters (Pfaff ironer, AEG W&D set, etc....) am here to remind Americans that appliances that would normally require special outlets here in the States, do not on the other side of the pond. We are one of the few major Western nation that has an "old" domestic power system largely of 120v for appliances. The odd exceptions being for appliances such as electric ovens, ranges, dryers, and so forth. The rest of the world runs on 208V-240V power which means a single outlet will provide more with no special wiring. My Pfaff ironer pulls 3.2kW when the steam function is engaged and can simply be plugged into any outlet in the EU. The directions for Miele 890 ironer which was sold in both EU and USA gives directions for hardwiring or attaching a plug. Indeed one sees that often in installation/owner's manuals for European appliances; that the thing comes with a cord but no plug leaving new owner free to choose which method they wish to use. Most EU laundry appliances one has seen require between 13amps to 20amps at 208v-240v power. To many Americans most European tumble dryers are "under powered" with total electrical draw of usually at or just under 3kW, with usually heaters of 2600w or so of power. But for Europeans this is grand because it means the thing can go anywhere a normal outlet is to be had. |
Post# 702354 , Reply# 37   9/9/2013 at 19:42 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I'm not used with ring wiring system either... my understanding is that if you let pass two large L and N wires separately connected to the the main source/wires where ring system is connected to (30 amp??) through the holes already existent for the ring system you could create a heavy duty outlet near another normal already existent and just connect the ground to the wire servicing all the others "ring system" regular outlets... All this if the ring system tunnel/hole in walls is big enough to have those two large L &N big wires inside also... I think would be very useful to have a heavy duty outlet outside anyways...if someday you want to make a wash in outside at least you can have two machines heating at same time, not deciding turns for the one that has to heat the water first! LOL Jokes a part.... in the summer you could hook up lots of things and run a big party there...without having the risk the power fail for that outlet...would be nice..no?? |
Post# 702356 , Reply# 38   9/9/2013 at 20:13 (3,881 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Voltage differences...
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Post# 702463 , Reply# 41   9/10/2013 at 12:00 (3,880 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 702491 , Reply# 43   9/10/2013 at 15:15 (3,880 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 702524 , Reply# 44   9/10/2013 at 18:00 (3,880 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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Honestly for the use for bed sheets and towels you're going to use it for, i think pretty much any dryer would work fine...but if you happen to find a very good deal you should take advantage of it immedately!
So I'd go for the used..... whatever you decide at the end wish you good luck.. This post was last edited 09/10/2013 at 19:11 |
Post# 702526 , Reply# 45   9/10/2013 at 18:18 (3,880 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)   |   | |
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Liberatordeluxe
If your after a low cost but a reliable dryer try googling Montpellier dryers, 2 models are available either vented or condenser. We have sold them for a long time but are only available through independent retailers. Sensor dry & a 6kg load capacity but drum can hold more + a far better build quality than Indesit Company Dryers. |
Post# 702604 , Reply# 46   9/11/2013 at 02:55 (3,879 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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I cannot see from your profile where you are based, but the drier on the link might be good if you can get to it:
Reasonably vintage, light (if any) useage, and modest cost Al CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacbear58's LINK on eBay |
Post# 702640 , Reply# 48   9/11/2013 at 09:01 (3,879 days old) by Kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)   |   | |
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I'm glad I was helpful.... That said.. if you have the possibility to fir a regular euro size that would be better...I think...I used to always dry bed sheets alone in full size euro dryers...as the results otherwise would have been improposable (for my canons) because of tangling and creasing... This post was last edited 09/11/2013 at 14:58 |
Post# 702706 , Reply# 50   9/11/2013 at 14:35 (3,879 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 702757 , Reply# 52   9/11/2013 at 20:21 (3,879 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Compact it can do two sheets or one sheet and two pillow slips. These were given for full through king sized and find are pretty accurate.
One rarely dries bed linens n dryer anyway as they are put through the ironer or Kaltmangel, if not hand ironed. On the rare occasion it is required normally do so only long enough to get the creases out and the things are "damp dry", they are then hung up to finish drying/airing. Sheets will most always ball up to some extentIMHO. They do it in my WP compact, and they have done so in the Lavatherm despite it having drum reverse. The only place it does not happen is with the large dryers at Laundromat. However things do often end up in a tangle. To solve this usually stop things about halfway, pull everything out, fluff/untangle and put back into the dryer. I believe energy savings wise you get the most value for money when dryers are operated at or near full capacity for cottons. Find also fuller loads tend to tumble better as small ones slide about from vane to vane without the free falling through air that makes for better tumble drying. |