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Post# 711575   10/26/2013 at 21:49 (3,834 days old) by supersurgilator (Indiana)   |   | |
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I was surprised to look on youtube tonight and find this! Haven't heard anybody on here talk about the possibility of an exploding Samsung toploader. CLICK HERE TO GO TO supersurgilator's LINK |
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Post# 711582 , Reply# 1   10/26/2013 at 22:31 (3,834 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 711612 , Reply# 3   10/27/2013 at 05:43 (3,834 days old) by Washman (o)   |   | |
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I went with Speed Queen. Yeesh........I heard of exploding tires, microwaves, and cell phones but washing machines? CLICK HERE TO GO TO Washman's LINK |
Post# 711636 , Reply# 5   10/27/2013 at 08:19 (3,834 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()   |   | |
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The (not)quality of these things always shows! I had already previously commented on said video. I wonder if they would pull an LG and slow it down rather than actually fix the problem. |
Post# 711742 , Reply# 7   10/27/2013 at 19:54 (3,834 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 711747 , Reply# 8   10/27/2013 at 20:15 (3,833 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I think a large portion of the blame should be placed at the feet of the marketing department. We have all seen the commercials where the woman simply dumps baskets of clothing into the machine without regard for proper loading. The salespeople at the big box stores lead the purchaser into believing that you can wash whatever will fit into the machine.
Shame actually. These machines are huge and impressive in the store, but after all is said and done, they cannot handle being packed with laundry in the way they are depicted on the commercials. At the end of the day, they are 16-18 pound machines.
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Post# 711753 , Reply# 9   10/27/2013 at 20:42 (3,833 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 711800 , Reply# 10   10/28/2013 at 02:38 (3,833 days old) by dj-gabriele ()   |   | |
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Gosh, call that false advertising! my father has a 20 kg washer at the laundry and the thing weights around 350 kg and it's 1,5 x 1,2 x 1 meters... definitely non that wimpy thing they show you. |
Post# 711878 , Reply# 12   10/28/2013 at 12:51 (3,833 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)   |   | |
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My eight year old top-loader is used daily. Fixed once (wouldn't agitate) and the serviceman was in and out in about an hour. And after eight years the part was still under warranty.
No "glitter boxes" for me! ( I like that term.) I just want the machine to wash my clothes reliably. So far Speed Queen has done right by me. |
Post# 712028 , Reply# 14   10/29/2013 at 02:36 (3,832 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 712046 , Reply# 16   10/29/2013 at 06:13 (3,832 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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These TL machines that have the impeller in the tub just invite users to "Fill her up"and not realize the consequence of their action.Hence they feel they should be able to do that "dump truck" load of mixed wash without problems--they'll learn! |
Post# 712051 , Reply# 17   10/29/2013 at 06:50 (3,832 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 818167 , Reply# 18   4/8/2015 at 21:08 (3,305 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 818185 , Reply# 19   4/9/2015 at 01:46 (3,305 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Didn't Samsung FIX these Spin-Splode problems?Or does the man in the video have an older machine that wasn't "fixed"? |
Post# 818208 , Reply# 21   4/9/2015 at 06:21 (3,305 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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It almost looks like there is a piece of the suspension bracket hanger missing. Is there nothing to keep the rod from "Jumping" out of the corner bracket?
Makes me wonder if the rods were properly parked in the bracket at the time of delivery. Maybe the installers tipped the machine on its side during installation and the rod simply dis-lodged from the bracket. Design Flaw! Malcolm |
Post# 818279 , Reply# 24   4/9/2015 at 13:14 (3,305 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 818295 , Reply# 25   4/9/2015 at 15:32 (3,305 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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This is precisely why I would never have a Samsung appliance, ever. And sadly, because Samsung's top-load washers are almost exact clones of LG's, I really wouldn't have either. Too much marketing towards gimmicks and shiny plastic and chrome, and yet no attention to the components of the machine that are actually important. There are several videos and numerous cases of this exact thing happening. Some user-fault, but others caused by lack of proper engineering in the machine itself.
I know that the Bravos uses several slow ramp-ups and slow downs during the final spin. It steps up each time until it senses that the load is balanced. There are some times that I've noticed it hang on whatever minute the timer displays, and sometimes it will stay at a medium speed throughout, but add a few minutes to the cycle. It seems to be very careful about making sure it can properly accelerate to the high-spin. I'm excited that the 880 I'm getting also has the No Spin option, so I'll have more peace of mind washing awkward items and can go in and arrange them properly myself. |
Post# 865360 , Reply# 26   2/3/2016 at 14:27 (3,005 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 865480 , Reply# 28   2/4/2016 at 11:39 (3,004 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 865502 , Reply# 30   2/4/2016 at 12:59 (3,004 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Capacity probably is much larger than their previous washer, which is conducive to home-washing of comforters and the like that probably weren't previously done in the home machine. The new machines also spin much faster (on Normal or Heavy). The designated Bulky or Bedding (or even Delicate if advised by the user guide for such items) spins at an appropriately slower speed but of course "we do everything on Normal." |
Post# 865634 , Reply# 32   2/5/2016 at 07:54 (3,003 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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a huge comforter and pillows with other clothes - One guy said he just had a king sheet set and pillow cases and it did this. I understand user error could be part of the problem, but I can't get past that it's something more than just user error.
I could be wrong - but the HE TOP LOAD seems to have more of an 'explosion during spinning' issue that the FL washers - although I think there have been some FL washers explode too. While searching YouTube for spin explosions - I came across this video review and this was fun to watch.. This lady uses her manual! LOL (good thing) CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark_wpduet's LINK |
Post# 865665 , Reply# 33   2/5/2016 at 10:46 (3,003 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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None of the exploded machines are shown with the load that was running at the time so there's no way to know what was involved. The fellow who mentioned a set of sheets ... maybe, or maybe something else was included. The woman in the first linked video has four videos of her machine on her YouTube channel. This one she says a "small blanket" is running ... but on the Normal cycle. The lighting is bad but appears to be bunched-up toward one side of the basket. This clip, she references in the comments as it being "one of the largest washers out there" and "hope it could do two pillows" and "I had the white pillow and the red with black mixed in the washer." Appears she has two pillows (of different type & size) and at least one other item. Doesn't say which cycle but I'd suspect Normal again. |
Post# 865668 , Reply# 34   2/5/2016 at 11:36 (3,003 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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As much as I despise Samsung as a whole, and as much as I love to see them crash and burn...
...I have to agree and side with them. There are COUNTLESS videos just like these where the person is blatantly doing something that common sense would have told them was wrong. Sadly, common sense is a scarce resource these days. This one is by far my favorite. I'm also not a GE fan, but seeing her badmouth this machine, clearly not following instructions at all, complaining that the washer won't fill enough after she only starts adding clothes AFTER the sensing phase, I can't help but feel pity for the poor thing. There's no telling how many machines are cluttering the landfills that worked perfectly fine, but had the misfortune of being purchased by brainless heifers like her. |
Post# 865681 , Reply# 35   2/5/2016 at 12:48 (3,003 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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There is no doubt that the new high efficiency machines have far less margin of error in their engineering then vintage machines. Margin of error costs money and in the hyper competitive world it won't sell well.
These machines have MUCH greater capacity and spin nearly twice the speed of some older machines. Add into this the economics of not using more material strength then needed and this kind of engineering failure is likely. Used properly this machines will likely never come apart though. Contrast one of these machines to something like one of the old fast spinning Unimatics. Compare the size of the spin basket and the overall weight of the machine. The potential forces in the new machine are a good bit higher. The new machines can rely on sensors and electronics to a degree to attempt to control these forces, but if something goes amiss then a failure is more likely. It would be simple to say the machines should just be built like the old ones. But the reality of that is than the machines would be unaffordable and hence die a quick death in the market. |
Post# 865685 , Reply# 36   2/5/2016 at 13:51 (3,003 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Gosh these people are idiots. (facepalm).
What ever happened to people at least "sorta" sorting their loads? Honestly, the only reason people 'loved' the older machines is they were severely over engineered. People were still so stupid with their machines even back in the day. But the durable materials could handle it more. Due to cost, you've got companies making these machines that could barely reach a "factor of safety" .... or "factor of stupidity"...of maybe 1.5. Which lay people meet or exceed all the time. So far my Maytag Maximas have been AMAZING, and reliable. Just cleaned the washer for the first time. Smells all fresh; squeaky clean. Wiped off just a hint of grime from the boot. Good as new. |
Post# 865741 , Reply# 37   2/5/2016 at 21:57 (3,002 days old) by Brandon ()   |   | |
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ouch. The one lady with the dogs really hit home as my Boxer LOVES sleeping in the laundry room. That would be terrifying for a dog when that happens. |
Post# 865779 , Reply# 39   2/6/2016 at 07:45 (3,002 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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that you couldn't add clothes after the washer started in a TL HE washer (LOL). In my Duet FL, I don't do this often, but you can actually pause the machine after it has started to add a garment, then again - my duet is 11 yrs old now..Is this the case in NEW FL washers too now, that it senses the load so you can no longer add anything?
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Post# 865788 , Reply# 40   2/6/2016 at 08:32 (3,002 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Depends somewhat on the individual machine, moreso with toploaders. Some of them run a test routine immediately at start of the cycle involving spinning and/or oscillation to judge the weight of the dry load. One reason for the slower flow rates and/or filling in "spurts" is to give the load time to absorb water and the machine time to sense/react to the saturation. Any machine with an "Add Garment" indicator surely can take more items while the light is illuminated ... but it expects the cycle to be paused and restarted so the controller "knows" there was an interruption that may have been for reason of adding an item. |
Post# 865790 , Reply# 41   2/6/2016 at 08:51 (3,002 days old) by brucelucenta ()   |   | |
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I really can't see much happening other than the clothes getting all tangled up and covered with lint from all the wear and tear on them. What a mess! |
Post# 865801 , Reply# 42   2/6/2016 at 10:14 (3,002 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Post# 866041 , Reply# 44   2/7/2016 at 21:12 (3,000 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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When this type of failure occurs the washers load becomes suddenly out-of-balance while spinning at a fairly speed, this can happen when plastic covered bedding and pillows are washed. The plastic holds the water in place and the washer thinks that the load is balanced and ramps in speed, and at some point the spin force causes the plastic to rupture and releases the water creating a severely unbalanced load, this is the same as trowing a 15 pound cinder block in a washer that is spinning at nearly 1000 RPMs.
Yes this would even destroy a FD Unimatic, you would not see any flying plastic but as top heavy as a UM is it would likely tip over and due a lot of damage to the inner and outer tubs, mechanism support etc. If any one has an extra UM they want to sacrifice I can demonstrate this, or you can just throw a cement block in it and see how well it holds up. |
Post# 870635 , Reply# 45   3/5/2016 at 07:33 (2,974 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 870658 , Reply# 46   3/5/2016 at 08:53 (2,974 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 870662 , Reply# 47   3/5/2016 at 09:43 (2,974 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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I will check the dates. The mounts may have since been improved. You should have seen the one with a gals SS GE profile range that she was blaming GE for the finish on the face plate being scoured off. Thats what she did, with a brillo pad no doubt. |
Post# 870664 , Reply# 48   3/5/2016 at 09:46 (2,974 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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Nice try! |
Post# 870665 , Reply# 49   3/5/2016 at 09:48 (2,974 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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As my dad used to tell me, never send a boy to do a mans job. |
Post# 870670 , Reply# 50   3/5/2016 at 10:08 (2,974 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 870689 , Reply# 51   3/5/2016 at 14:30 (2,974 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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is the first one. maybe the other following are the same age washers? |
Post# 870800 , Reply# 53   3/6/2016 at 07:52 (2,973 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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Did the load get distributed evenly in the basket by the person washing it? |
Post# 871249 , Reply# 56   3/8/2016 at 08:58 (2,971 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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I doubt subflooring has any contribution to whether it explodes or not. All forces on a TL are directed parallel to the flooring, thus only verry little vibration will transmit to the floor. Thus, the floor has no function in terms of damping or suspension. And AFAIK, no Bravo washer has exploded yet. |
Post# 871250 , Reply# 57   3/8/2016 at 09:04 (2,971 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Henene4, I would agree with your 'forces to the floor' comment except for TL machine designs with a central floor pan pivot point.
My parents' '82 Maytag would regularly flex the floor in corners on spin in a challenging balance situation. So there's definitely some forces going to the floor. But on the more modern floating tub design with the suspension rods, I believe you're right. I've noticed much less transfer of forces to the floor in those designs. |
Post# 871295 , Reply# 59   3/8/2016 at 12:31 (2,971 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 871297 , Reply# 60   3/8/2016 at 12:47 (2,971 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Oh, I never saw that! And, he even ADMITTED he had a matress pad in there. So we once again have the doubt of wrong use, or at least a special load situation. |
Post# 871305 , Reply# 61   3/8/2016 at 13:33 (2,971 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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I've seen that video as well, and I know there are a couple of -negative- Cabrio/Bravos/Oasis videos out there. All of them either clearly admitted what they had done wrong, although they may not think it was wrong themselves, or the machines look like they've been beat to hell and back already and have scum built up all over, which is also a clear indicator of neglect. That goes for any machine, period.
I was taught to never leave the washer unattended when washing any large objects like comforters and mattress pads, etc. Even with machines that seem to be built like tanks and handle imbalances well, like the Maytag Atlantis did, we still never left ear-range just to listen for telltale sounds and could hop over and rearrange to make sure everything went well the first go around. I do the same with the BravOasis (can't decide between BrOasis and BravOasis, lol) if I ever have the comforters or blankets washing. When it starts to drain I just peek in, assure that it is successfully starting to spin without bumping the sides of the cabinet, and if it needs, I just pop it open, spread things around a little better, and let it go. While I know the machine can sense things like this enough to avoid them, I'd rather not risk the damage or wear it could cause up until that point. |
Post# 871307 , Reply# 62   3/8/2016 at 13:42 (2,971 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Its your washer bro... |
Post# 871338 , Reply# 63   3/8/2016 at 16:55 (2,971 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 871343 , Reply# 65   3/8/2016 at 18:01 (2,971 days old) by glomain (tuscarawas cnty. (eastern ohio))   |   | |
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Post# 871397 , Reply# 66   3/8/2016 at 23:46 (2,970 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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If you did so, you did it right. But the video might be the result of somebody not takeing the least care. |
Post# 871432 , Reply# 68   3/9/2016 at 05:59 (2,970 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 871442 , Reply# 69   3/9/2016 at 06:49 (2,970 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I had this happen with a post filter flo GE washer washing pillows though not as bad. It did crack the outer tub and break the tub straps moving it a few feet but the machine did not come apart.
I am sure user error plays a role, but this type of stuff you dont hear about to the in vintage machines. |
Post# 871443 , Reply# 70   3/9/2016 at 06:50 (2,970 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Malcolm, yes it is the mattress covers that have either a plastic membrane or plastic cover that is casing this problem.
New TL and FL washers do not have an out-of-balance switch, but rather they rely on the computer sensing uneven motor current to tell if a load is balanced. This system works great, the problem is the load goes out-of-balance when the machine spinning at speeds over 8000 RPMs when the plastic mattress covers plastic moisture barrier ruptures and suddenly releases the water causing the fast spinning load to become balanced. Standing over the washer to try to turn it off will not help, in fact you may be hurt anymore than you can stop a speeding car by walking out in front of it, LOL.
Even a heavily built machine like a Frigidaire Uni-Matic could be badly damaged by one of these plastic membraned mattress covers. The main thing in favor or older machines were their smaller diameter tubs so it would be difficult to get a large mattress cover on just one side of the washers tub.
John L.
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Post# 871476 , Reply# 71   3/9/2016 at 08:41 (2,970 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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and posed no problem on hand wash or the bulky cycle on low spin. |
Post# 871496 , Reply# 72   3/9/2016 at 10:20 (2,970 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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If you don't like your machine so much, why don't you find something different? Once again we have a case of someone writing off an entire brand of machines just because of a few problems they heard through the grapevine about one particular design, that were user error to begin with.
And to honestly believe Samsung would be a better choice? Okay, good luck. |
Post# 871539 , Reply# 73   3/9/2016 at 14:08 (2,970 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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I will when it quits working. Money doesn't grow on trees you know. Aren't you the kid who hates his parents Samsung refrigerator? Our son is you age, and until last year, also though money grew on trees. |
Post# 871545 , Reply# 74   3/9/2016 at 14:46 (2,970 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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My point was that while you seem to hate the machine, yet claim that it hasn't actually done anything wrong, list it on Craigslist or a similar outlet, and perhaps even check around that same outlet for something used that will fit your requirements, but I thought your sassy response was a nice touch. ;)
You seem quick to throw out these age "insults" everytime someone takes a breath, twice now towards me I might add, when literally nothing relating to "age" or "experience" was even remotely part of the conversation, so might I pour you a bit of enlightenment tea..? My* Samsung refrigerator, that I own myself. I'm not sure where you got "parents'", never made a mention of any such. Also, seeing as how you just popped up around here last month, and are clearly making no efforts to get to know anyone, I'll give you a little insight: I know all too well that money doesn't grow on trees. Haven't had a penny granted to me by my parents since the age of 16, and because we didn't have very much in the first place during my childhood, there wasn't much given before that either. I mowed yards and did any number of odd jobs I could starting around age 13, to help buy groceries, and because I wanted us to have -nice- cleaning supplies around the house, like nice laundry detergent so we didn't have to continue using cheap Sun from the Dollar Tree. Sometimes I gave what I had to help turn the utilities or the phone back on. Fast forward to today, and everything I have owned, every car I've owned from the little used '95 Saturn SL1, the 2001 Honda Accord EX-L V6, up to the now 2015 Accord Touring V6 that had 12 miles on the odometer when the key fob hit the palm of my hand, has been paid for by every cent I've earned myself by working to the bone to bring myself up from the situation I was in growing up. That includes the very house I'm in that I had built in 2013 and every piece of furniture and appliance within it. So, in response to your "this generation has no appreciation or concern for hard work and responsibility"-esque comments, I couldn't honestly care less that I am "your son's age" or what you or your son think. It holds absolutely no relevancy to me. Have a blessed day. This post was last edited 03/09/2016 at 16:43 |
Post# 871565 , Reply# 75   3/9/2016 at 16:58 (2,970 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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yes, I am blessed, and I do not pass my junk off unto others who may need a dependable machine. Maybe I should bring out a quality washer that is built to last. Think I can survive the global junk infusion? Can Whirlpoo stop me? How do you know who I know or don't know? |
Post# 871576 , Reply# 78   3/9/2016 at 17:33 (2,970 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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it must be like a mirror, because by you calling me a know it all is also bashing me. See? Why not simply ignore the post? |
Post# 871589 , Reply# 79   3/9/2016 at 18:20 (2,970 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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overhauled last winter under extended warranty. It has done plenty wrong both before and since. |
Post# 871590 , Reply# 80   3/9/2016 at 18:23 (2,970 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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anything either. I have worked from age 16. Eleven if you count paper routes. My folks had very lean years also. I am the eldest of five, and my folks are gone. Both grew up very poor. |
Post# 871623 , Reply# 81   3/9/2016 at 21:27 (2,969 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)   |   | |
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Post# 871673 , Reply# 82   3/10/2016 at 06:09 (2,969 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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only one member? Who? Touche' then. The original discussion was between two of us, and then a third trolled along. |
Post# 871685 , Reply# 83   3/10/2016 at 06:40 (2,969 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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I needed a spinal block. LoL. |
Post# 871695 , Reply# 84   3/10/2016 at 08:01 (2,969 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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I'll be cruising in my 1977 Pontiac Grand Prix. From when cars still had style, and were more than point A to B. |
Post# 872000 , Reply# 86   3/12/2016 at 04:30 (2,967 days old) by centenialguy ()   |   | |
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not to mention, that most of the parts would melt at that speed from the heat. The redline of a V-12 S600 is only 6,000 rpm's. |
Post# 872020 , Reply# 88   3/12/2016 at 08:25 (2,967 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 872054 , Reply# 89   3/12/2016 at 12:21 (2,967 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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The vast majority of those jet turbines DO run at temps and speeds beyond their melting point. But they are also strategically cooled with low compressor air through vanes and holes in the turbine blades that keep them cool in the abusive environment. If that 1500F "cooling" air ceases even for a second, those high turbine parts melt and seize quite quickly.
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Post# 872056 , Reply# 90   3/12/2016 at 12:39 (2,967 days old) by centenialguy ()   |   | |
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Chrysler used a York/Airtemp R12 refrigerant compressor to keep the gas turbine cool also. |