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Wierd gas range...???? RCA Whirlpool question???
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Post# 720490   12/11/2013 at 03:12 (3,789 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

Has anyone ever heard of a Whirlpool Blanket of Flame gas range, supposedly a blower cushioned the flame so you could actually cook an egg on a paper plate, I read about this in an old Home Economics book, can anyone explain how it worked, or better yet has anyone actually seen one, I think it was made in the early 60s.




Post# 720512 , Reply# 1   12/11/2013 at 06:26 (3,788 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Hans, yes, and it has been discussed here so it should be findable using the Searchalator. You are right in that each burner had an extra air supply to blow over the flame.

Sort of related, but not exactly: do you remember the year that Sears offered the infrared surface unit which was basically a powerful heat lamp with very strong glass. They showed the thing red hot with an ice cube on it to prove that it would not shatter. Well that went away, but then a few dacades later, we had glass cooktops with haolgen and quartz elements for instant radiant heat.


Post# 720536 , Reply# 2   12/11/2013 at 08:53 (3,788 days old) by moparguy (Virginia)        

Hey Tom, I have a mid 50s (54 or 55, I think) Kenmore, with the 'Infra-Ray' heat lamp left front burner. Unfortunately the glass plate over the lamp is long gone, but it is a very interesting range! I recall that I had posted it on here a year or two ago, so it may also be in the search function.



Post# 720587 , Reply# 3   12/11/2013 at 13:47 (3,788 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
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Post# 720600 , Reply# 4   12/11/2013 at 14:15 (3,788 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
RE Kenmore..

Jeff, according to my old catalogues its a 53, that cooktop is a regular cooktop, but that oven says Blanket Of Flame ??? who knew!? Of course it would be a zillion miles away!!

Post# 720658 , Reply# 5   12/11/2013 at 17:03 (3,788 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

John and Jeff know about the BOF cooktops. I don't think they were in cabinet ranges. The plumbing and parts were soon NLA and I think they were converted to regular burners when the parts failed. I think BOF was a term WP used for the gas broiling which, you have to admit, does not sound as terrifying as "Wall of Flame." That's what happened when the grease in the broiler pan caught fire and you had orange flames going up both sides of the oven cavity from down below.

Strange, the oven in the ad is cleaner than the cooktop. From the looks of it, the Burner With a Brain did not prevent boilovers.


Post# 720668 , Reply# 6   12/11/2013 at 18:05 (3,788 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
LOL!!

Not if you set it at 425 and leave it!!! Which is what looks like was done.

Post# 720686 , Reply# 7   12/11/2013 at 20:08 (3,788 days old) by Magic_Clean (Florida)        
Speaking of dirty cooktops

Whirlpool offered a more or less sealed burner gas cooktop in the 1960's that was know as "Swish" clean. The porcelain cooktop was a sump that collected any spillovers. The burner heads fit quite closely with the raised openings in the cooktop. The grates were full width. So it was quite different than anything else and was said to clean up with a swish of a sponge.

Post# 720749 , Reply# 8   12/12/2013 at 06:17 (3,787 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Our Crown had 2 white porcelain burner pans, one for each set of burners with light gray grates (and this from 1952). They were never a problem to keep clean, but they were easy to load in the Mobile Maid for easy cleaning. Later, the drip pans from the GE ranges, especially the chrome after market ones, regularly went through the dishwasher.

Post# 720752 , Reply# 9   12/12/2013 at 06:29 (3,787 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Didn't Whirlpool also use an individual pilot per burner during that time...vague memory of that...

Post# 720764 , Reply# 10   12/12/2013 at 07:06 (3,787 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Dixie..

Used what they called a Micro Pilot, as did Brown years ago,,Believe it or not, I have never seen a Whirlpool stove from the 60s.

Post# 720781 , Reply# 11   12/12/2013 at 08:54 (3,787 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        

When I was a kid the neighbors across the street had a Whirlpool Flair-type range. The burner drawer slid out slightly for use, interesting on a gas unit. It was a nifty looking appliance.

 

They also had a dusty but well preserved Westy Laundromat set that almost never got used since they owned three real laundromats (or washaterias) so the husband would usually take their dirty clothes to test any machines he had repaired. The laundromats did not have Laundromats however, I don't recall what top-loaders they used.


Post# 721071 , Reply# 12   12/13/2013 at 16:42 (3,786 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

As most of you know, WP bought the Estate range factory and that is where they made ranges until sometime in the 60s, when they stopped for a while. I remember seeing ads for them in early & mid 60s magazines for both gas and electric models. They were big on having the controls to the right side of the cooktop even on the builtin cooktops. There was a very distinctive apartment house in Atlanta that had early 60s WP appliances. The cooktops had the dials on the side and 7 heats with nice thin Chromalox elements. The electric ovens had the U-shaped bake elements under a metal baffle on either side of the oven, which was sort of old technology. My 1954 Frigidaire has those in both ovens. After WP bought the Kelvinator range factory, they started making electric stoves again. John knows the details.

Post# 721098 , Reply# 13   12/13/2013 at 22:03 (3,786 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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That's interesting info Tom, I wasn't aware that Whirlpool bought the Kelvinator factory.  I haven't seen a lot of RCA Whirlpool ranges from the 1960s here but they were also available and apparently made here too.

 

Here are two picture of a RCA Whirlpool range next to a 1961 (according to the ad) Leonard (made by Kelvinator) on the right.  Their cabinets do look similar.   Did the US models looked similar to these?


Post# 721113 , Reply# 14   12/14/2013 at 06:16 (3,785 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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This detective work is kind of fun! I don't think, though that you can generalize the Canadian situation to the US. I'd bet that these two stoves were from the same parentage, but would bet that they were Canadian sourced. If you take yourself back to those days, Whirlpool/Seeger had the Sears contracts for refrigeration and laundry, was licensing the "RCA" name for "RCA Whirlpool", had an aging Estate stove plant (Hamilton, OH), had just introduced the best dishwasher in the market, and needed to get a better position in cooking. I don't think Estate had done any built-in business. They probably threw some $$$ (clearly subsidized/promoted by the American Gas Association) into R&D for a new line of gas ranges (with the side controls) and used the same dies for the electric line. It didn't get them much benefit from the wholesale side (Sears was still tied to Roper; Montgomery Ward to Westinghouse/Tappan, and JC Penney to GE) but did let them play in the built-in market.

Post# 721122 , Reply# 15   12/14/2013 at 08:41 (3,785 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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The freestanding lines ended about 1970 for WPs own gas and electric ranges, they continued to build their own built in 24" and 30" electric ovens and built in cook-tops.

After WP stopped making free standing G&E ranges they started sourcing 30" & 40" electric ranges from Kelvinator [ WP never owned Kelvinator ] this stopped for 30' ranges around 1976 when WP started building 30" freestanding ranges in their Findly Ohio factory.

Throughout the 1950s into the 1980s electric ranges were gaining on gas range sales and WP like several other large appliance manufactures chose to ignore making and selling gas ranges. For a while it looked like science, technology and common scene would prevail and gas ranges would slowly fad away. But by the mid 80s during the Regan years science, technology and common sense were quickly going away and gas range sales in higher end kitchens were making a comeback. There were many other reasons for the reassurance of gas cooking, a major one being the growing income disparity that was occurring and still going strong today in this country. This income disparity allows rich people to buy silly, impractical, poor performing professional ranges which make about much sense to a home cook as monster SUVs do for someone who likes to drive, LOL. This is possible because they have the full time cleaning help in their homes to spend hours cleaning them after they cook a simple meal once in while, LOL.

With the advent of induction cooking technology better Smooth-Top ranges and an aging population electricity is cooking more than 70% of home meals and I feel that the trend will continue to move toward more electric ranges for home use.


John L.


Post# 721134 , Reply# 16   12/14/2013 at 10:37 (3,785 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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My 1995 Whirlpool gas range came with an booklet titled "How to install your new Amana gas range". The drawing on the front looks exactly like mine but with an Amana logo instead of a Whirlpool logo.

Post# 721137 , Reply# 17   12/14/2013 at 10:45 (3,785 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
I Second John Here:

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I personally don't "get" the rage for gas ranges. Most of them do not bake as evenly as electrics, and they are pretty much murder to clean really clean.

The best gas range I ever had was a Whirlpool self-cleaner produced in the late Eighties. It was a 30-inch range, free-standing, with an analog dial clock/timer.

It was not too bad, and its sealed cooktop burners eased cleaning quite a bit. But cleaning it still took more work and attention than an electric model with similar features, and its oven was not the most even baker. It made the most alarming noises when you preheated the oven - first a WHOOSH! as the oven burner ignited, then all kinds of groaning and popping. It also did not self-clean as well as an electric, and there was always, always that funky smell of gas-combustion byproducts to live with.

Give me electric any day.

P.S.: I should mention that I've cooked on every sort of heat source in my time. I taught cooking in the Eighties, and used residential gas, professional gas, smooth-top, induction, cast-iron hobs, halogen and portable gas.

I have always come back to open-coil electric burners, very gratefully, as the best performers for home use, as well as the easiest units to clean. Anything with a smooth top (including halogen and induction) takes a pretty fair amount of effort to keep as sparkling as the advertising brochure shots.




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Post# 721148 , Reply# 18   12/14/2013 at 11:46 (3,785 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        

As an architect I've designed plenty of kitchens and in my experience most people prefer an electric oven and gas cooktop. This isn't out of ignorance but is just a preference, no different than a preference for one type of music over another. My last two boyfriends have both been excellent cooks and neither would have an electric cooktop. I questioned them as to the issue, and both replied that for their cooking style a high-output gas burner was preferred for the best control, particularly in stir-fry dishes.

 

One thing to remember is that a lot of the market for ranges is replacement of existing appliances, and it is often simplest to replace like for like. To add a 220v range line in an older home means taking it from the panel either through the attic or crawlspace and breaking open the wall wall behind the range to install the outlet. In a remodel this isn't a big deal but for a simple appliance replacement it can get very expensive, particularly if the attic and crawlspace have poor accessibility. Another issue is the original main service panel capacity: a lot of older small homes from before the '60s have 100 amp service that shouldn't be asked to run both an air conditioner and an electric range at the same time.


Post# 721215 , Reply# 19   12/14/2013 at 16:48 (3,785 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The most interesting story of gas to electric was our next door neighbor. When they moved in about 1959, they brought a 36" Dixie to go in the place of the previous neighbor's 40" mid 50s Hotpoint. When I was trying to get an electric range in our house, she told me she would be mad as hell if someone put an electric range in her kitchen. They moved after we did and I visited their new home to find a builder-installed Frigidaire Compact 30 in the kitchen. She was not home and I said nothing. Years later, I visited them in a home they had built to find a nice WP kitchen with the electric cooktop and wide non-self cleaning wall oven. We talked about the dishwasher and oven, which she loved for the width which she had been introduced to with the Frigidaire, but we never mentioned the electric cooktop. I was a guest and did not want to be rude, besides there were too many other things to talk about. I had my first taste of pepper jelly there and got hooked. She went from gas to Radiantube units, which do not have the fast response of gas, but which are not hard to cook on once you get used to them and she stayed with electric cooking in the new place. It would have been a wonderful story to hear. In both places, she had a large garden, the kind you hire someone to plow in the spring, and did lots of canning, so the stoves got a lot of use. One thing I do remember from the days with the Dixie was that she bought a new Rubbermaid stovetop mat that fit the space between the burners. It had the crinkley metal top and yellow rubber borders. Well, a week later and I saw that the rubber was getting scorched along the edges and soon thereafter, the sides had been hacked and sawed away with what must have been a dull knife to keep it safe from the flames.

As for high power burners for stir-fry cooking, unless the range or cooktop has a special wok burner, regular burners throw the heat outward instead of toward the wok's base. A good flat bottom wok over a high wattage electrical element provides much more intense heat in bottom of the pan. I do remember seeing an article some decades ago about a retired Chinese couple who had owned a restaurant for years and when they remodeled their kitchen, they had a special wok burner put in so that the chef/father could still prepare his famous dishes for gatherings. It had its own hood, and three different burner rings with the output of a small furnace, but what was most remarkable was that the burner was surrounded by a stainless steel water tank that had to be filled before cooking to insulate the surrounding areas from the heat. This was in San Francisco and the article explained that it was the only way such a powerful burner would be permitted to be installed in a residential kitchen. I would imagine that today a powerful wok induction unit would work just as well with a lot less wasted heat.


Post# 721268 , Reply# 20   12/15/2013 at 05:49 (3,784 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Well...

I grew up in a Southern town never knowing of but 3 gas ranges until I was grown, but once I saw how much better Rosedna Heldermans cakes turned out than anyone elses I quickly figured out it was the old match lite late 40s Magic Chef she used, I have switched back and forth, and both have advantages and disadvantages, but im exactly opposite of most folks thinking, I MUCH prefer the gas oven,as for the cooktop, electric usually simmers better, and I simmer and cook at lower heats much more than very high temperature stuff such as wok cooking, I dont even own a wok...or a microwave!, I dont need a self cleaning oven with a bunch of stuff to give trouble, all in all, I will take gas, and im getting ready to hook up the old Magic Chef when I can.

Post# 721281 , Reply# 21   12/15/2013 at 09:58 (3,784 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Hans, you might not mind all of that waste heat now, but come summer, you had better have extra air conditioning to cope with it. An electric oven can get by with a 1.5 inch vent to cope with the expansion of the air in the oven being heated and to carry off moisture, but a gas oven needs a vent several time that size to maintain the draft to provide air for the burner. As for the cooktop burners, remember the test I mentioned about holding your hands next to a pot of water you are bringing to a boil over a gas burner and then doing it with a pot over an electric surface unit. With a gas burner, the amount of heat that passes across the bottom of the pan and escapes up the sides can easily be noticed.


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