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Miele new generation laundry liquid detergent |
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| Post# 729208 1/20/2014 at 23:59 (3,758 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
Hi All,
This is a great video explaining why the Miele liquid detergent system is better than any other type of liquid detergent on the market for both white and coloured laundry CLICK HERE TO GO TO mielerod69's LINK | ||
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| Post# 729412 , Reply# 1 1/21/2014 at 14:47 (3,757 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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Rod Nice to see you hear again. This is very nice, but how much do each one of those detergents cost. Like this sytem and would like to try it. Like that machine too but both look like something that will never make it to the USA. | ||
Post# 729418 , Reply# 2 1/21/2014 at 15:16 (3,757 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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May Or May Not Be The Same
But MieleUSA does list "Ultra Wash" color detergent liquid on their site. You can also find it from various other online authorized Miele dealers such as those who sell Persil.
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| Post# 729428 , Reply# 3 1/21/2014 at 16:57 (3,757 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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UltraPhase 1 & 2
Thanks Jerrod6 I do chime in from time to time. The UltraPhase 1 is essentially similar to UltraColor liquid which you can purchase from Miele. The UltraPhase 2 is essentially a colour safe bleach consisting of Hydrogen Peroxide and other ingredients. The way the machine operates with these detergents is that it mixes the ratios depending on whether white or coloured laundry is washed. For white laundry the ratio is 50/50. For coloured laundry its 66/34. So some bleach is added to coloured laundry but at a lower concentration.
The cartridges cost €11.95 each. 
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| Post# 729429 , Reply# 4 1/21/2014 at 16:58 (3,757 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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UltraPhase 2 | ||
| Post# 729656 , Reply# 7 1/22/2014 at 16:26 (3,756 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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UltraColor + oxi bleach | ||
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Post# 729657 , Reply# 8 1/22/2014 at 16:26 (3,756 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Once Again
P&G used small amounts of oxygen bleach in Cheer "Colour Guard" detergent to protect colours. That was the "guard" part, as the sodium perborate was enough to cancel out some of the chlorine bleach found in most American tap water. Hobbling that substance supposedly helped keep colors from fading and so forth.
Sodium perborate in addition requires hot or above temperatures to really become active, thus chances of even the small amount used in Cheer causing bleach damage would be minimal. This is because most persons would not be laundering rich colored textiles in hot or boiling water. Even with that all oxygen bleaches normally will not remove colour fast dyes. Well if you apply them directly to fabric and use high heat they may, but that isn't something most persons would do. | ||
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Post# 729662 , Reply# 9 1/22/2014 at 16:50 (3,756 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Being as all this may, there are colours
and there are colours...
Using oxygen bleaches on light/pastel coloured items even in hot water probably should be fine. Once you start going into more richly coloured things long as water temps are kept to warm or even cold (86F) again things should be fine, but shouldn't make a habit of it. Dark blues, blacks, browns, etc... are another matter all together. Much depends also on what type of oxygen bleach one is using. Sodium perborate long was considered the "colour safe bleach" because it requires temps >120F and really 140F or above to really get going. Since most persons aren't going to wash colours in hot or boiling water chances of damage would be minimal. This is one of the reasons why Colorx2, Biz and the host of other early such products used SPB. Sodium percarbonate OTOH is known as the "cold water oxygen bleach" because it can and will become active even in cold water. Therefore even routine use with some colours even in cool to warm temps can cause fading over time. Liquid hydrogen peroxide like sodium perborate requires hot to boiling water to become really effective. European laundries long have used pure highly concentrated LHP as a liquid bleach along with boil wash temps. Many prefer liquid hydrogen peroxide because it is near neutral since it is not based on alkaline substances (sodium carbonate/washing soda or borax) like dry oxygen bleaches. This means among other things you can use liquid hydrogen peroxide on protein fabrics such as silk or wool if you know what you are doing. Also since it is pure less rinsing is required when using liquid hydrogen peroxide. Much of the stuff simply breaks down into water when exposed to air, light and high temperatures. This is why LHP is always sold in dark bottles with warnings to keep tightly closed. Forget the exact ratio but IIRC it is for ever ten degree increase in water temperature oxygen bleaches become twenty times stronger. Persons with knowledge of proper use can and do use oxygen bleaches on textiles ranging from fragile to deeply coloured by using their expertise to control the bleaching action strength. That is if you want to remove a tea stain from a blue shirt, it probably can be done and still keep the color. Liquid oxygen bleaches are still sold here in the USA. Don't know about "Snowy", but Vivid and Colorx 2 are both still around. However even going back to the 1980's when Consumer Reports tested both powder and liquid oxygen bleaches the liquids came in dead last for stain removal, whitening, and so forth. Colorx 2 powder was first, then BIZ. Finally on both sides of the pond oxygen bleach powders (sodium percarbonate and sodium perborate) have long been combined with activators. Tide w Bleach, Oxydol, Persil, Ariel, etc.... all have such systems. Indeed P&G and Henkel have scores of patents on such systems and keep them closely guarded. Because these activated bleaches will work in cooler wash temperatures (mainly for sodium perborate, but also sodium percarbonate), consumers are often advised to restrict their use on colors. Both Persil and TWB are known to fade some coloured textiles with routine use. Hence the need for "color" detergents that do not contain oxygen bleach activated or otherwise. To save having to stock two sorts of detergents many simply purchase a color version and add oxygen bleach when needed. | ||
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Post# 729855 , Reply# 10 1/23/2014 at 10:00 (3,755 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Ingredients | ||
| Post# 729858 , Reply# 11 1/23/2014 at 10:30 (3,755 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
Snowy
Snowy Bleach, was a laundry bleach product advertised, years, and years ago. Notably by our very own Phyllis Diller.
It was a Sodium Phosphate, Sodium Perborate (later Sodium Percarbonate, in some formulas) Formulation. And it's advertising line, was that it wouldn't yellow fabrics, and could be safely used. Really Good Formula, imho. Although, due to Phosphate Bans, and in general, booster products losing there grounds, it's not freely available anymore. | ||
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Post# 729878 , Reply# 12 1/23/2014 at 12:41 (3,755 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Adding Oxygen Bleach Later In Cycle
For some stains such as blood it is actually best to allow the detergent (with enzymes) to work first then follow with oxygen bleaching. My AEG-OKO Lavamat has a special "stain" cycle that when activated dispenses "stain remover" products at the proper time in the wash cycle while also extending. What the stain remover product is supposed to be one has not yet figured out. IMHO it would be either an enzyme and bleach combination product such as fleckensalz or simply oxygen bleach. Since this machine is cold water only connection one assumes it has something to do with oxygen bleach since that substance really does not get going until warm water temps are reached.
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Post# 729887 , Reply# 13 1/23/2014 at 13:51 (3,755 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Launderess having joined the throng 
of AEG users I too have a stain cycle which when used with Persil and separate wash stain booster I notice that it takes the wash powder and as its about to start heating the water it takes the booster powder, they work very well and I am pretty sure the machine holds the temp of the water at about 35-40c for 10 mins then carries on to what ever temp its set at.
I had forgotten how good AEG washing machines are.... | ||
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Post# 730152 , Reply# 14 1/24/2014 at 12:58 (3,754 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well Since Both Miele Ultra Color and the Unit Dose Liquid
Contain OBAs, won't be on my purchase list. Well if some came my way at a good price but otherwise wouldn't bother.
Looking over the ingredient lists from link above don't see anything remarkable about these products. The detergent is pretty much the standard TOL version what you would find in Persil, Ariel, or other European brands. | ||
| Post# 730165 , Reply# 15 1/24/2014 at 13:54 (3,754 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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My current bottle and box powder of Miele Ultra Color do not contain OBA's, but they were not made by the same company this stuff is. If the new bottles and powders of Miele color detergents sold in the the USA have OBA's I won't be buying them either. I don't want OBA's on my colors or darks. | ||
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Post# 730178 , Reply# 16 1/24/2014 at 14:36 (3,754 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Detergents CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
| Post# 730302 , Reply# 17 1/24/2014 at 23:56 (3,754 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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Where are the OBAs? | ||
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Post# 730391 , Reply# 19 1/25/2014 at 12:50 (3,753 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Am confused now as well
Miele Untracolor and Phase1 make references to brightening colours. That one took to mean they contain some sort of OBA.
Miele Ultracolor liquid and the unit dose are made by Dalli of Germany, at least according to the MSDS of 2006. www.miele.co.uk/downloads/SafetyF... Don't know if OBAs would be required listing, but will call Miele on Monday to sort the matter out. Tide for instance does not list OBAs on some of it's products and we know they are loaded with the stuff. | ||
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Post# 730422 , Reply# 20 1/25/2014 at 15:00 (3,753 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Neither the "UltraColor" nor the new "UltraPhase 1" detergent contains OBA`s.
"UltraPhase 2" (the additive) contains oxygen bleach and OBA`s though. Link to ingredients list of UltraPhase products is in Logixx`s post above, to UltraColor in this one. On a side note Dalli Werke is one of the largest manufacturers of private lables in Europe. Personally would not pay the extra money for Miele detergents because a lot of discounter brands found in Germany are more or less of the same quality made by Dalli Werke for a fraction of the price. After all for washer guys like us it`s easy to find out who`s behind the store brands. It`s not uncommon that they beat the big brands like Ariel or Persil in tests. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrboilwash's LINK | ||
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Post# 730430 , Reply# 21 1/25/2014 at 15:26 (3,753 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Thank You For Clearing That One Up
Sadly choices for Americans for a TOL liquid detergent that does not contain bluing agents are nil, at least of the domestic offerings. Cheer liquid (P&G's color detergent) is loaded with OBAs, however IIRC some powdered versions are not.
One also finds that the liquid detergents sold here that do not contain OBAs lack the top shelf enzyme concoctions of say Tide or Persil. Clorox II liquid oxygen bleach sold here contains OBAs unless the formula has changed. OTOH some of the organic and garage brand liquid oxygen bleaches such as those offered by Ecover do not. Going by MieleUSA's website only the liquid color care detergent is sold on this side of the pond. Obviously since the machines which use the UltraPhase units aren't sold on this side of the pond, neither are the products. Local shop in the area sells Miele Ultracolor liquid, but at $31 USD don't really know if it is worth the bother. Only thing the Miele stuff has going for it say over Tide's liquids is the absence of OBAs. Am betwist and between on liquid detergents. Often when watching wash water drain after loads done with them there is this horrible scum, sort of like what one sees in the bath water when using soap. This should come as no surprise since many of these liquid or gel detergents contain types of soaps, but still no such thing happens when using powders. | ||
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Post# 730515 , Reply# 23 1/25/2014 at 19:55 (3,753 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Looking at the Canadian description of Ultra Color liquid, it doesn't sound like it would contain OBAs:
"Miele UltraColour liquid is a highly concentrated detergent for coloured fabrics. Excellent detergent with effective stain removal, even at low temperatures. Miele UltraColour's special formula of tensides keep your colours brilliant and its colour fixative agent prevents dye transfer and redeposition. Its low-alkaline composition keeps fabrics soft and gentle. UltraColour is kind to the environment: it contains neither phosphates nor zeolites, and is biodegradable."
I suppose keeping colored items from discoloring and free of redeposition is also a way of keeping them bright - that's my interpretation.
Here's a full list of Miele products and ingredients for the European market.
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