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Thread Number: 50918
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| Post# 732171 , Reply# 1 2/1/2014 at 03:52 (3,737 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
Not an Expert... But | ||
| Post# 732186 , Reply# 2 2/1/2014 at 06:23 (3,737 days old) by bmr6969 (columbus ohio) | ||
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my guess would be ...... you may have a bad drain silinoid | ||
Post# 732229 , Reply# 3 2/1/2014 at 13:13 (3,737 days old) by combo52  (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Bad Drain Valve? | ||
| Post# 732302 , Reply# 4 2/1/2014 at 17:05 (3,736 days old) by tinkerer () | ||
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I just installed a new drain valve, checked the inside of the machine and all the drain hoses so I doubt that's it. If it's a timer issue, can I buy a new timer that will work in a KDI-17A? | ||
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Post# 733479 , Reply# 6 2/7/2014 at 07:19 (3,731 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Intermitent Inlet Valve Coils | ||
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Post# 736982 , Reply# 10 2/22/2014 at 12:40 (3,716 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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KDI-17A
You should always use the full cycle for full loads, the shorter cycles can be used for small loads of glasses, dusty dishes etc.
Pr-rinsing oils, sugars, and food acids [ orange juice, tomato products and salad dressings containing vinegar ] off the dishes before running the machine can easily cut the life of the DW in half and is not recommended by ANY DW manufacturer. John L. | ||
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Post# 736984 , Reply# 11 2/22/2014 at 12:57 (3,716 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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KDI-17a Timer Sequence The full sequence of the timer is 60 minutes. I may not have the duration correct for all of the wash & rinse periods and dry but the sequence of actions is correct per my memory of our KDI-17a. Prewash/Soak section Line Purge - fill for 1 minute - drain for 1 minute Prewash 1 2 - fill for 2 minutes (detergent dispenser opens) - wash for 3 minutes - drain for 1 minute PreRinse - fill for 2 minutes - rinse for 2 minutes - drain for 1 minute Wash section - fill for 2 minutes (detergent dispenser opens) - wash for 9 minutes - drain for 1 minute Rinse section Rinse 1 - fill for 2 minutes - rinse for 2 minutes - drain for 1 minute Final Rinse - fill for 2 minutes - rinse for 4 minutes - drain for 1 minute Dry section - pause for 5 minutes - dry for 17 minutes (blower fan runs) - pause for 1 minute OFF 1 When Soak cycle is selected, the Prewash changes: - fill 2 minutes - wash 1 minute - pause 13 minutes - drain 1 minute 2 When Rinse Hold is selected the Prewash changes: - fill 2 minutes - rinse 1 minute - pause 2 minutes - drain 1 minute The remainder of the timer sequence the machine does nothing - the timer advances to Off at the "normal" rate, turning every minute. | ||
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Post# 737037 , Reply# 14 2/22/2014 at 18:59 (3,715 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Washer111 on pr-washing dishes | ||
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Post# 737457 , Reply# 16 2/24/2014 at 18:36 (3,713 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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KDI-17A DW Timers
You need a new timer, KDC and KDI-17 KA DWs had more than their share of timer problems, lots of burned and loose terminals and contacts, if you find a genuine KA-WP timer they even come with a few new leads to replace the wires going to and from the selector switch that most often burned up. Also before going on a search for a timer I would remove the selector sw and see if it has any loose or burned terminals, if so look for a SS also.
John L. | ||
| Post# 737757 , Reply# 18 2/26/2014 at 06:02 (3,712 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL) | ||
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Newer part number The timer number you stated above was changed to 4161395. See if you can find one with that number. Maybe that guy who had all the timers for sale on Ebay a few weeks back still has them. Someone on here should be able to provide the link and you can check with him. Good Luck Steve | ||
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Post# 737801 , Reply# 19 2/26/2014 at 09:23 (3,712 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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 Hey John,
When you mention the 4170000, do you mean the 4171000?
Ben CLICK HERE TO GO TO swestoyz's LINK | ||
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Post# 737806 , Reply# 20 2/26/2014 at 09:39 (3,712 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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KA DW Replacement Inlet Valve | ||
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Post# 737828 , Reply# 21 2/26/2014 at 12:26 (3,712 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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Here is the link.
Here is the link for the timer guy and 4161395 is listed on his site. Send him a note and ask for sure. That's what I did when I needed the new timer for my KDS-15. I got it with no issues and it's working just fine.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO chachp's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 738218 , Reply# 24 2/28/2014 at 08:36 (3,710 days old) by tinkerer () | ||
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Ordered #4161395 timer I ordered the 4161395 timer that you recommended. I hope I can return the other one. Thanks for all your advice and help. Hopefully, this will be the fix. | ||
| Post# 739790 , Reply# 28 3/6/2014 at 09:43 (3,704 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
and that is exactly the reason
beyond the general overall engineering simplicity, that I prefer KDC-17 and KDI-17 to a KDS in the KA 17 series of machine... have looked at so many KDS-17s with minor or major leaks and/or corrosion on or around that silly timer right under the motor... what were they thinking? The 18 series machines that we have all have in-door timers... much smarter. Seems like an odd mistake for Hobart to make.
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Post# 739932 , Reply# 29 3/6/2014 at 19:50 (3,703 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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KD DW TIMER ISSUES
All KD-10 through KD-15 DWs had the timers under the tank and the KDS-16 and KDS-17s also had their timers there and yes some were ruined by main shaft seal leaks that went undetected for long periods of time. KA should have added a decent water shield, but in spite of the timers that were ruined on KDS-17s by water leaks, the number does not come close to the number of timers with burned terminals on KDC-17 and KDI-17s, we had hundreds of customers with these that had two three or even four timers replaced before they threw in the towel and bought a new DW, even Whirlpool after they bought KA and assumed liability for these Hobart manufactured DWs was still paying for these poorly designed timers and cheap wiring when customers complained.
John L. | ||
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Post# 739950 , Reply# 31 3/6/2014 at 21:19 (3,703 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 740092 , Reply# 33 3/7/2014 at 14:41 (3,702 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
Lisa:
The guys are just pointing out some things KitchenAid could've done better. Those are to be found on any appliance. Your GE Combination probably has a replacement compressor, because the originals were duds, and many of them went kaflooey just outside of warranty, as the one on the Combination I grew up with did. So, there are weak points on anything, even vintage appliances we prize today.
Please remember that your KDS-17 has already outlasted most of the dishwashers sold in competition to it, and has the potential to go many years more. It's not a perfect machine - no machine is. But it's a damn good one. And no motherboard. | ||
| Post# 740107 , Reply# 34 3/7/2014 at 16:08 (3,702 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
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All 4 of the KDC/KDI-17s we have or have had
have had no timer issues. The KDC-17 we bought new in '74 was still working perfectly in 1990 when we moved. That said, Steve or John, would it be worthwhile to go in now and replace the spades with better types? I do lots of soldering on the tube amps I work on so that's no big deal, and have 3 of these machines, so the wires and timers themselves were OK?
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Post# 740139 , Reply# 35 3/7/2014 at 19:33 (3,702 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Termainal failures on KDC and KDI KD DWs
Hi Roger, yes if I were considering using either of these DWs as a daily driver I would carefully check both the timer, selector switch and the door interlock switch for any terminal overheating and I would also replace all the spade terminals that carry the dry heater or main motors current with better quality terminals and crimp and solder them, you might also want use heaver wire. This was a major weak spot for heavily used KD17 DWs.
Hope this helps you keep these DWs alive, timers and selector switches for these DWs are getting harder and harder to find. John L. | ||
| Post# 740369 , Reply# 36 3/8/2014 at 13:49 (3,702 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
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