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Post# 744147 3/22/2014 at 12:39 (3,687 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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Came accross these pictures. Looks as if Whirlpool wants to make their Maytag line look beefier by adding some stainless design elements. The Pots & Pans cycle is called Power Blast. And, yes, it still has a four-blade disposer in it.
(c) access.whirlpool.com/wdl CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK 
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Post# 744176 , Reply# 1 3/22/2014 at 14:16 (3,687 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 744242 , Reply# 2 3/22/2014 at 19:19 (3,687 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio) | ||
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Spray holes.......... are almost the right size for high pressure washing! Thank you for posting! Lawrence/Maytagbear | ||
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Post# 744260 , Reply# 3 3/22/2014 at 20:47 (3,687 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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Post# 744278 , Reply# 4 3/22/2014 at 22:30 (3,687 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 744280 , Reply# 5 3/22/2014 at 22:43 (3,686 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 744292 , Reply# 6 3/22/2014 at 23:50 (3,686 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 744346 , Reply# 7 3/23/2014 at 07:05 (3,686 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Thanks :) | ||
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Post# 744429 , Reply# 8 3/23/2014 at 11:42 (3,686 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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In production ? | ||
| Post# 744828 , Reply# 9 3/24/2014 at 17:11 (3,685 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
I hope I'm wrong on this...
...but from the looks of it, it could be a Resource-Saver system. At least that's what the pump assembly under the sump grate is. That round 'barrel' type thing on the bottom right is what the filter sits into on the WP/Kenmore/Kitchenaid models, and the left is the drain pump. The now wimpy main pump is hidden. As far as the other components, looking at the narrow feed tube that supplies the mid and top wash arms is identical to the RSavers, along with the top "spinner" being more arm-like. The same goes for the connection where the middle wash arm docks at the back, and even the connection of the lower arm as well (you can see the corner of what looks like the square bolt found on the new Whirlpools). As far as the rest, it's hard to say. There is clearly no obvious way of getting down and pulling a filter out, seeing as the lower arm still has a shield around it like the self-cleaning filters use, but then again maybe (and hopefully) it still uses the mechanics of the Point Voyager like the rest of Maytag's line now, and the picture is just a photoshop hiccup. I will say though that I like the stainless arms, although I've always loved the styling of the middle arm from the PowerClean and Point Voyagers. When something isn't broken, there's no need to fix it.
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| Post# 744869 , Reply# 10 3/24/2014 at 18:06 (3,685 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
 This is a cool dishwasher and will be on my list to get.Maytag sells a ton of these dishwashers and they have good ratings compared to others.Kitchenaid used to have the image of no pre-wash and grind anything until they went to that filter system with a 50 watt 15mins on and 10 mins off pump.I think that Whirlpool is pushing Maytag to the mid-tier between Whirlpool and Kitchenaid/Jenn-air. Most of the folks the buy Maytag do so because it has a grinder in it. I don't think Whirlpool would want to fix something that is not broken and is selling so well.I love the stainless steel arms on it and they are finally going to a top feed wash arm for the upper wash.It does not look like a filter machine they might have redesigned the wash system but kept the grinder part they do have grinder pumps that they used for there drawer-dishwashers.I have one they have a blade on top of a grate and below it and the hammers swing.That was a main feature that folks wanted to load a dishwasher and not worry about the filters and now with steel wash arms and everything it makes it a lot more attractive and more robust wash system.I like it it looks like something you would see from the 70s... | ||
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Post# 745051 , Reply# 11 3/25/2014 at 13:03 (3,684 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 745302 , Reply# 13 3/26/2014 at 11:04 (3,683 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 745385 , Reply# 14 3/26/2014 at 19:09 (3,683 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 745387 , Reply# 15 3/26/2014 at 19:22 (3,683 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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In comparison, I posted a picture of KitchenAid's wash system here:
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... | ||
| Post# 745392 , Reply# 16 3/26/2014 at 19:47 (3,683 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
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That is not the same Askoll pump that they used in all the other dishwashers.The motor has a start cap which non of the new resource saver dishwashers use.The motors I have seen in Maytag's when Whirlpool bought them have all been 1/5H.P. motors and it still looks like it from the outside because of the stator size.It looks like it will be alot more efficient pump compared to the other type of set up. | ||
| Post# 746452 , Reply# 17 3/31/2014 at 00:23 (3,678 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
I wonder if I can trade mine in ;-)
I love that stainless flatware basket and I love the Maytag handle on the top rack. I like that it has physical buttons with a time display compared to mine being touch pads and no time display. That towel bar looks nice too.. I think thats the one thing I don't like on my new Maytag. From our inside sales information on the little bits we get to here, Whirlpool is really pushing to make Maytag a Top Quality brand again. | ||
| Post# 746708 , Reply# 18 4/1/2014 at 05:24 (3,677 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
My 9 year old Whirlpool is still chugging along
but it makes ODD noises the past year so I'm wondering if it's dying. It still washes well so I won't replace it until it dies. But it will be replaced with either a WP or Maytag (even though they are the same).....I LOVE the looks of this. I bet the price is high though. But it looks worth it if it is.
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Post# 747739 , Reply# 19 4/5/2014 at 08:40 (3,673 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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AjMadison to the rescue
As usual, they have the new models first. Here are two:
www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadis... www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadis... No manuals yet, though. | ||
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Post# 747889 , Reply# 20 4/5/2014 at 18:32 (3,673 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 747904 , Reply# 21 4/5/2014 at 19:03 (3,673 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Many nice features on this Maytag! I hope CR tests it soon to assess its cleaning ability. I'm so glad they kept the terraced upper rack; it really enhances loading flexibility.
My only quibble is the noise level. 47 decibels is nothing to brag about. This machine will definitely make its presence known during operation. | ||
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Post# 757656 , Reply# 22 5/17/2014 at 11:44 (3,631 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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The manual I think the cycle times and water consumption are actually pretty reasonable for a modern dishwasher. Little disappointed in the PowerBlast cycle: it uses a lot of water and time - I though it would be either the one or the other. Also notice how it says that hi temp raises the water temp from 105F to 129F - even on PowerBlast. I think that's a little cool for a heavy cycle. 
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Post# 757660 , Reply# 23 5/17/2014 at 12:09 (3,631 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Thank you. "Interesting" I looked about 14 hours ago and no manual. Well, one way to solve the low wash temperature is to always select Sanitize option. You could unselect6 that option after the main wash if you don't want the extra hot rinse. I'm glad it uses that much water on power blast. The previous models used 12 gallons on Pots/Pans. Again, modern enzyme-based detergents are supposed to be more effective at lower temperatures.
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Post# 757674 , Reply# 24 5/17/2014 at 13:15 (3,631 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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I was just wondering because even our super-beyond-uber-efficient Euro dishwashers will heat to 122F on the Eco cycle. So 105F seemed a little low - almost like a cycle designed to wash glasses. I think it's the same for Whirlpool and KitchenAid dishwashers, with only Kenmore being the exception (High Temp raises the temperature from 120 to 140F).
I got the manual from Maytag's official site. Two manuals seem to be available so far: the MDB6949SD and the MDB8969SD. The instructions for both models have the same size, so I guess it's the same manual for both models.
www.maytag.com/digitalassets/MLPD...
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Post# 757694 , Reply# 25 5/17/2014 at 14:09 (3,631 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 757699 , Reply# 26 5/17/2014 at 14:25 (3,631 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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The machine itself is gorgeous, and maybe this will be a compromise to have something that uses less water but doesn't require a filter be cleaned. I'm not thrilled about the temperatures either though. 105 is barely warm, and regardless of enzymes and what-not, bacteria is best killed at high temps, not to mention that lukewarm water in machines nowadays always means eventual mold, especially for those who are not as attentive to their appliances as we are. I want steam billowing out when I open the door after the cycle is done.
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Post# 757717 , Reply# 27 5/17/2014 at 16:17 (3,631 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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If you would consider what you are reading very closely, the default final rinse temperature is 140 degrees for normal, auto and powerblast cycles. The quick cycle's final rinse temperature is whatever your water heater is set at. Those are the same final rinse temperatures on my current 7 y/o Kenmore Elite TT. On light/china, the final rinse temperature is 130 or 135 degrees.
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Post# 757983 , Reply# 29 5/18/2014 at 18:01 (3,630 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Automatic Dishwashing Is Not That Much Different From
Laundry.
Once you start messing about with one of the four basic parameters (time, chemicals, temperature, and amount of water), you must compensate by adjusting one or more of the others. Supposedly the theory from the federal government and others advocating "low energy" use dishwashers is that the things are mainly run at night/last thing during the day. Therefore long cycles aren't a problem since the machine will certainly be finished before Madame or whomever is running the household awakens the next day. On the one hand can see some truth to all this; I mean am looking at older dishwashers that used multiple heated water cycles and am gobsmacked at how wasteful that could be. I mean to heat water for just four to seven minute cycles then dump it all down the drain (and repeat several times) is kind of pushing far on energy use. OTOH before all this nonsense started the sweet spots from say the 1970's to recent memory seemed find. That is given proper amounts of water dishwashers could complete a normal cycle in < one hour. | ||
| Post# 758064 , Reply# 32 5/19/2014 at 03:25 (3,629 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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I dunno, I have the previous model, 8595, and when you tell it to heat the water that water gets freaking hot... Like I've melted my rainbow pan that I've always been able to wash on the bottom rack in my other washers with heat boost and have had no issues. The water gets hot in these machines.. Thats with the heated dry turned off.
My KDS58 would boost to 140 and I've not melted anything, this thing must just hate plastic in the bottom rack because I've been melting stuff left and right.. Which, in its own way, is fine because its low quality plastic stuff that is stained that I'm trying as a last resort to clean but throw away anyways... I've slowly been switching my plastic stuff to glass or stoneware. I've put pans with burned noodles, cheese, meats and what not and I haven't had a spot on them when they have come out. The only no scrub way that gets my stainless that clean is to put water in them and let them boil for a bit on the stove... I am impressed on how hot the machine gets. I guess keep in mind that the heated wash is going to be different than the power blast plus steam option. You have the wash temp boosted to the 129 but at the end of the wash cycle, before the rinse process starts, the machine heats the soapy water to the NSF 180 steam temperatures. Thats where this machine kicks butt. After that, you'd have your rinse cycle and if you chose sanitize, it would steam again. (Heh this solves why the rainbow pan melted :P) As far as water fills, I can't exactly tell you how many times it does a complete dump and fill, I'm thinking its 4 times, but I do know that with the soil sensor, this machine will gradually dump dirty gunky water out and fill as its dumping it. Its like the dirt is collected in a reservoir and emptied every so often. When I first got my machine it drained into a mop sink. I'd watch as it drained and all it really spit out was very dirty oily water. Its impressive. Sorry for the late night ramblings. | ||
| Post# 758081 , Reply# 33 5/19/2014 at 08:45 (3,629 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I have the 4709 and it's the same way. I haven't had anything melt, but usually the cheap throwaway containers that I keep, just in case someone takes food home, go on the top rack, mostly because the bottom arm is strong and flips them over. Mine does a main wash and two rinses on Normal, and usually does a couple of Auto Filter Purges during the wash, and if you watch down the drain at what comes out, it's literally nothing but a soup of food junk. I usually don't add any options though, just Normal cycle, and steam usually starts coming out of the vent 15 minutes in. I've yet to take anything out that wasn't squeaky clean and spotless. I hope the new models will have the same Filter Purge process.
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| Post# 758082 , Reply# 34 5/19/2014 at 08:47 (3,629 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Here's the tech ed. packet for the Point Voyager machines. Page 9 has a really cool description on what all is happening when you hear the machine drain a little of the water out mid-wash.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO murando531's LINK | ||
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