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Post# 751056   4/18/2014 at 21:32 (1,101 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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OK, I wasn't expecting this to happen, well not so soon, but thanks to our intrepid Phil, here it is. A 1964 General Electric refrigerator with "Frost Guard". Hubby showed pictures to the mother-in-law and they both concluded I've gone off the deep end.  So have my parents, and my sister. But they just don't understand 60's COOL.  So be it. It's home and another piece of the puzzle falls into place.

Post# 751057 , Reply# 1   4/18/2014 at 21:38 (1,101 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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While in no means "pristine" it's quite nice actually.


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The middle shelve need's to be "adjusted". Nice and bright inside.


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And baby, it's the swinging sixties!


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Freezer is missing the ice cube trays and shelve. And it's quite small.


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Post# 751062 , Reply# 2   4/18/2014 at 21:56 (1,101 days old) by moparguy (Virginia)        

Nice fridge! Enjoy it! Great swinging 60s!

Post# 751065 , Reply# 3   4/18/2014 at 22:20 (1,101 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Jeff!

Post# 751072 , Reply# 4   4/18/2014 at 22:47 (1,101 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Concord, CA (But my heart will always be in sweet Nevada!))        
Your family says YOUVE gone off the deep end...

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I'll spin that statement into what it SHOULD say...

Your family doesn't like it so, IMHO, THEYVE gone off the deep end! How's that? LOL!

That is a absolutely fantastic machine which buried the needle on the 'cool-o-meter' .you'll spiff that right up in no time. When the family visits, tell them that if they can't stand the coolness then stay out of the kitchen!


Post# 751076 , Reply# 5   4/18/2014 at 23:16 (1,101 days old) by retropia (Central Ohio)        

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Sharp-looking fridge; I like the chrome trim around the doors. Perhaps it was designed that way to accept optional door panels?


Post# 751077 , Reply# 6   4/18/2014 at 23:17 (1,101 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        
Gorgeous Refrigerator . . .

It reminds me of my old and much missed '66 Frigidaire. Remember that swimming is best at the deep end!

Post# 751079 , Reply# 7   4/18/2014 at 23:17 (1,101 days old) by A440 ()        

It's Beautiful!
One of my most favorite GE Refrigerators.
Please tell us what you think about it.
Will it be your main refrigerator?
Happy Easter.

Post# 751083 , Reply# 8   4/18/2014 at 23:23 (1,101 days old) by A440 ()        

Jeff or John or Tom....
Correct me if I am wrong...but wasn't the Refrigerator section completely sealed off from the freezer section on these? (besides the water from the fridge coils)
For some reason this was a big seller in my neighborhood when I was a child. I remember all of the neighbors talking about how amazing it was to keep fresh vegetables and fruit in this particular model. If I remember correct only the freezer had the fan, and the fridge part was cooled solely by the coils on top.

Post# 751085 , Reply# 9   4/18/2014 at 23:31 (1,101 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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@Andrew, thanks! Hubby said to his mother. "Well at least it isn't pink." LOL!


@Doug, I thought about that too when I saw it, but I don't think that was being offered yet. Thanks!


@Hydralique Thanks, but I'm not a good swimmer. LOL!


@Brent, It's a bit on the small side, but it will have to suffice until I find a bigger one. Wink 3 lights in the fridge compartment. Love it! Thanks!



Post# 751086 , Reply# 10   4/18/2014 at 23:32 (1,101 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Your right Brent, the freezer does have the only fan.

Post# 751088 , Reply# 11   4/18/2014 at 23:42 (1,101 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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A question for all those experts out there: Is "Frost Guard" GE's term for "Frost Free"?

Post# 751097 , Reply# 12   4/19/2014 at 01:03 (1,101 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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AFAIK, "Frost Guard" was GE's term for "frost free."


After reading Brent's post, this type of system sounds like a great hybrid.  One thing I really like about my '57 Combination is opening the door to the fresh food section and not hearing a fan whirring.


Louie, your fridge seems to be the perfect size for the back-up role I'd be using it for, with a more viable freezer than that of my Combination. 

Post# 751100 , Reply# 13   4/19/2014 at 01:33 (1,101 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Ralph. I like the term "Frost Guard" better. Smile


Well, until I find a larger, white, left hinged, bottom mount with Frost Guard, this will be the one for now. And something tells me I'm in for a LONG wait. Ralph, I only saw one shot of your combination, an interior shot at that. Have you posted any more pictures of it?

Post# 751116 , Reply# 14   4/19/2014 at 04:55 (1,101 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Couldn't help myself...

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Post# 751125 , Reply# 15   4/19/2014 at 07:00 (1,101 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
Oh Yeah!

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Contratulations! Another example of some fine General Electric styling. Please update us with pics after you clean her up.


Post# 751130 , Reply# 16   4/19/2014 at 07:23 (1,101 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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Glad you got it, Louie! That is a very stylish fridge indeed. I miss the swing out shelves (had a 57 GE growing up. It's in really great shape, too. Congratulations!

Post# 751134 , Reply# 17   4/19/2014 at 07:30 (1,101 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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That is a great interim refrigerator, stylish and functional!  ;-)  You may even find that you needed less space than you thought initially and grow to love it.  The swing-out shelves are really nice, my favorite thing about these GE's.


 Congrats on your new leap into insanity, as others may see it, we're be behind you 100%.  

Post# 751140 , Reply# 18   4/19/2014 at 08:15 (1,101 days old) by mayguy (Minnesota)        


Post# 751176 , Reply# 19   4/19/2014 at 10:54 (1,101 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
50 yrs of ford mustangs.

ford mustang now 50 yrs old-closest I have came to owning one was back in 1985 when a '65 fastback 289 2v/4 spd was a contender for my first car-white and blue,it had the base falcon style dashboard.In pretty decent shape,they wanted $2500 for it.I bought a 74 nova for $250 instead.My favorite mustangs are 71-73 fastbacks;more of a "GT"type car than the"ponycar"smaller,mid-'60s generation of mustang.

Post# 751178 , Reply# 20   4/19/2014 at 11:03 (1,101 days old) by retropia (Central Ohio)        
Ice Cream

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Well, Louie, if this General Electric refrigerator's freezer can hold all of the ice cream that Betty required during her "Big Betty" days, it should be of adequate size for most households.


Certainly we know that the refrigerator does a good job of keeping whipped-cream-in-a-can fresh and delicious.


Post# 751187 , Reply# 21   4/19/2014 at 11:30 (1,101 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        
Defrost System . . .

Does this unit have the GE reverse cycle defrost system or conventional electric resistance heaters? While the reverse cycle (aka heat pump) design is more complex it sure is clever and eliminates problems with the resistance heaters. I had to deal with the latter on my '66 Frigidaire, not a hard job but a PITA as it took numerous adjustments of the heater position under the freezer floor to make it work consistently and not slowly frost up.

Post# 751205 , Reply# 22   4/19/2014 at 12:15 (1,101 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        
Defrost systems

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I think John L. covered the defrost mechanism in the original thread Phil posted about this fridge in Shopper's Square.  Apparently the larger model had the more reliable system in John's opinion.


Louie, here's a shot of my fridge toward the end of its initial cleaning prior to moving into the house.  The grille at the bottom wasn't yet installed, but otherwise the exterior was ready to go at this point.


It's the 12 cf model so is fairly short as well as being only 30" wide. 



Post# 751208 , Reply# 23   4/19/2014 at 12:20 (1,101 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        
Happy Easter

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The colored eggs are a year-round installation, but this weekend is an ideal time to share . . .



Post# 751220 , Reply# 24   4/19/2014 at 13:32 (1,101 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        

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Your new fridge - long may it wave - was designed for a world without today's Big Kahuna package sizes. Milk came in quarts, not gallons. Oh, you could buy half-gallons, but that was huge back then.

Pop came in single-serve bottles, not monster two-liters. Juice was little cans of concentrate, not big jugs of Tropicana or Sunny D. Frozen vegetables were little cardboard boxes of same, not ginormous plastic bags. A TV dinner was small, not like today's "Hungry-Man" sizes. A frozen pizza was eight inches across; they didn't try to emulate the dimensions of pizzeria pizzas. Pot pies were little 7-ounce things, not today's one-pounders.

If you'll watch your package sizes, you'll find that fridge more than adequate.

Post# 751222 , Reply# 25   4/19/2014 at 13:44 (1,101 days old) by epixstar128 (toledo,Oh)        

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I have this fridge one year older and its got hot gas defrost. Its not complicated at all comp has a high side and low side. It takes the hot gas from the compressor and just opens a solinoid to direct feed it to the coil.

Post# 751224 , Reply# 26   4/19/2014 at 13:47 (1,101 days old) by epixstar128 (toledo,Oh)        

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Louie open tge back panel up and look for a wiring diagram. One was installed in mine snap a pic and we can see what kind of defrost system it is.

Post# 751231 , Reply# 27   4/19/2014 at 14:50 (1,101 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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just beautiful......

remember when fridges came with those built in egg racks......nice touch for adding color Ralph....

this reminds me of the joke, does the little light stay on when the door is closed?.....there was also a cartoon of this little sliding door that allowed you to look inside and see a tiny man running to hit the switch once the door was closed

Post# 751253 , Reply# 28   4/19/2014 at 16:42 (1,101 days old) by ptcruiser51 (Boynton Beach, FL)        
Frost Guard

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According to my GE factory rep when I worked at THD, it works this way. Most GE and Hotpoint models have a timed defrost cycle where the coils will heat up to melt rime buildup. About 10-15 min. before the cycle starts, the fridge will drop the temperature about 5 degrees or so to compensate for the heat generated during the cycle. This is to eliminate things like nasty ice crystals forming on top of ice cream or inside boxed frozen vegetables. I think Maytag used a similar system but the name escapes me.

One thing I noticed on the models in this thread is the new Trimwall design which was introduced around 1964. It used a new type of insulation to keep the walls thin, thus increasing interior capacity.

My mom had a 1966 model GE top-freezer that said "Frost Guard" on the freezer handle. It was the same one as was in the coffee break room at Sterling-Cooper on "Mad Men". They sold it with the house in 1993 - never a repair.

Post# 751321 , Reply# 29   4/19/2014 at 22:13 (1,100 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks for all the well wishes guys! I fired it up this morning after giving it 8hrs for the oil to settle back into the motor. It's cooling like nobodies business. I placed a bottle of water in the freezer and it was frozen solid in 3 hours. Needless to say, I'm damn impressed with it's performance. And boy is it quiet! I'll be posting more pictures in a bit.

Post# 751324 , Reply# 30   4/19/2014 at 22:16 (1,100 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Sandy, I have memberships to Costco, BJ's and Sam's. I think I better keep the chest freezer after all. Tongue out

Post# 751336 , Reply# 31   4/19/2014 at 23:11 (1,100 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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The light tower is elegantly simple:


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Everything well fitted, with quality materials. The liner is all one piece, porcelain steel, as are the vegetable/fruit crisper bins.


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And even more lights.


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And design everywhere.


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Yeah baby, YEAH!


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While I do like a lot of things hard, butter isn't one of them.


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The worst I've found, where the basket attaches to the freezer door. Cry


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Post# 751339 , Reply# 32   4/19/2014 at 23:24 (1,100 days old) by A440 ()        

Great pictures Louie!
The shot of the fridge coils reminded me of loving to see the frost on them when I was a kid. Growing up in the heat / humidity of New Orleans, our fridge would frost so much that you could not see the coils any longer. It never had an issue with keeping the correct temp. I am sure my opening the door to stare at them was one of the reasons they would get so frosty! The fun part was watching it cycle the defrost! It would instantly start to melt and the water and frost would slide to the catcher tray in the back. Then I would love how the water would simply flow down the back of the fridge wall and under the crisper and down the hole to the pan beneath the unit. (metal pan at that)
You have given me the itch to start looking for one! I think it would be so much fun!

Post# 751345 , Reply# 33   4/20/2014 at 00:02 (1,100 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Brent. I used to do the same thing when the coils frosted up! LOL! We had this model when I was 4 or so. Lasted until the the late 80's.


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Post# 751351 , Reply# 34   4/20/2014 at 00:46 (1,100 days old) by A440 ()        

Louie thanks for the picture. That appears to be the GE I grew up with.
Ours had the coils in the Fridge part, and had a small fan on the left hand upper corner of the freezer. Would this be the same model?
It was such a fun Fridge!

Post# 751404 , Reply# 35   4/20/2014 at 08:32 (1,100 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hmm, I don't remember seeing a fan in the freezer section for that particular model.  And Happy Easter Brent!

Post# 751405 , Reply# 36   4/20/2014 at 08:35 (1,100 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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I gotta' ask, where in the world could I find a replacement for the damaged plastic inner panel for the freezer door? And the missing ice try shelve? It really mars an otherwise a very good condition refrigerator.

Post# 751406 , Reply# 37   4/20/2014 at 08:45 (1,100 days old) by epixstar128 (toledo,Oh)        

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If it helps man i snap a few pics of my two trays

Post# 751407 , Reply# 38   4/20/2014 at 08:45 (1,100 days old) by epixstar128 (toledo,Oh)        

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Post# 751415 , Reply# 39   4/20/2014 at 09:22 (1,100 days old) by lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
I had a pink bottom mount.

I remember looking at the defrost system which was the "heat pump" design. Sadly it suffered compressor failure..

I still have the matching pink stove.

Post# 751426 , Reply# 40   4/20/2014 at 10:00 (1,100 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta Georgia )        

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Even if today's refrigerators are loaded with electronic coolness(albeit questionably reliable) and energy efficiency...I can't seem to leave some of the 50's and 60's behind...and this GE refrigerator still stops me cold (ha), staring at it more now that I can see the details. Thanks for posting pics, and it's great, just great to see the enthusiasm. Your family is just missing out. :-)

Post# 751427 , Reply# 41   4/20/2014 at 10:06 (1,100 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Wow very nice Lou !

Loving the swinging shelfs.

Whats going in there ..

Darren k

Post# 751461 , Reply# 42   4/20/2014 at 13:21 (1,100 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Oh wow Eric, I thought the shelve was a one piece affair. No Idea it had various pieces to it. THANKS!


BTW, cool KA dishwasher!

Post# 751462 , Reply# 43   4/20/2014 at 13:25 (1,100 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Beautiful stove Eugene! What year was your bottom mount?

Post# 751463 , Reply# 44   4/20/2014 at 13:29 (1,100 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Phil. Funny, now that it's working away, there has been a change of tune, now they LIKE it.


Thanks Darren! The shelves are my favorite feature. No more "lost" items!



Post# 751465 , Reply# 45   4/20/2014 at 13:38 (1,100 days old) by epixstar128 (toledo,Oh)        

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Thank . Louie that's my kdI 19 i will keep a eye out for at thift stores for you for those trays.

Post# 751466 , Reply# 46   4/20/2014 at 13:44 (1,100 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        
" . . . now they LIKE it."

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Of course they do.  Sometimes it just takes some people a little longer to realize they can't find comparably nifty features on modern appliances that were offered on those manufactured 50 or more years ago.  What's not to like about articulated shelving and a butter conditioner, showcased with glamorous lighting effects?

Post# 751477 , Reply# 47   4/20/2014 at 15:16 (1,100 days old) by lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I never did check the year, but it was the match to the stove, and the set of drawers. I just remember it looking exactly like the one pictured, with the crazy defrost system and all.

I really hope to find a nice top mount pink ref one day. Likely I'll just have to make one.

Post# 751484 , Reply# 48   4/20/2014 at 16:03 (1,100 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I wouldnt care if it cost

Twice as much to will keep food better and last 10 times as long as a new fridge will, and in the long run you will save money!

Post# 751489 , Reply# 49   4/20/2014 at 17:25 (1,100 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Eugene (lorainfurniture):

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I really like your pink Americana - it's one of the really early ones.

The Americana is a configuration that I've always enjoyed, even though I can't have one myself, because of the PyroKitty™ cooktop pushbuttons. My cat friend, Marty, would be romping and stomping on them before you'd know it.

Post# 751497 , Reply# 50   4/20/2014 at 18:13 (1,099 days old) by lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I'm not a fan of the push button controls either, but the stove does sooooo much I can look past the bad design..

I would like to find the rotisserie attachment if possible. That would really be awesome.

Post# 751502 , Reply# 51   4/20/2014 at 18:45 (1,099 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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Rotisserie parts turn up on eBay, so if I were you, I'd set an automatic eBay search so that you'll get updates when they're listed.

By the way, Marty's middle name is Eugene!

Post# 751556 , Reply# 52   4/20/2014 at 23:50 (1,099 days old) by A440 ()        

Who truly knows the in's and out's of these GE Refrigerators?
There is always speculations....but never any answers.
I am just curious.
The answers always seem "run-around".

Post# 751667 , Reply# 53   4/21/2014 at 14:36 (1,099 days old) by lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
I took it apart completely.

The defrost system is similar to some commercial equipment used today. There is a probe that attaches to the coils, when that is satisfied, it releases a solenoid to allow the hot liquid to circulate through the evap.

It's quite simple, but the problem is once you have a problem, you need to open up the system. In my case with my compressor failure, I couldn't even swap out the compressor. It is very specialized. All I could have done was convert it to a more modern system but I simply did not have the time to do all that.

Post# 751668 , Reply# 54   4/21/2014 at 14:37 (1,099 days old) by lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

Do you have any question about this unit? I am somewhat familiar with it

Post# 752282 , Reply# 55   4/24/2014 at 01:57 (1,096 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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I turned off the GE and I noticed later the interior had gotten quite warm. I touched the coils and they were very warm. Is this normal when you turn it off at the dial?

Post# 752284 , Reply# 56   4/24/2014 at 02:36 (1,096 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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It kind of sounds like the defrost cycle was happening even though you turned the dial to the "OFF" position. 


I can't imagine the defrost timer would override the cold control, but you never know.   The defrost timer does run independently of the cold control, so I suppose it's possible it could kick in the defrost heater even though the control was set to "OFF."


I don't know where the defrost timer is located on the GE, but if you can locate it, you can probably rotate it manually and see if it does turn on the coil heater even though you have the cold control at the "OFF" setting. 


If that's the case, you'd need to unplug the fridge if you don't intend to be using it for any length of time.

Post# 752299 , Reply# 57   4/24/2014 at 05:27 (1,096 days old) by epixstar128 (toledo,Oh)        

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Was your butter softner turned to soft ? Its just a electric heater in the door and runs even with the thermostat turned off.

Post# 752454 , Reply# 58   4/24/2014 at 21:24 (1,095 days old) by lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

There is no defrost timer on this fridge. There is a defrost "probe", and a solenoid that releases the hot gas in to the evap.

Perhaps when you shut it off the solenoid deactivated and allowed some hot gas to migrate in. Those units are well insulated, so a little bit would keep it warm for a while.

Otherwise you might have shut it off while it was defrosting. I don't know much about how they operate because mine never worked. I did completely dismantle it, and I can tell you for sure, no defrost timer.

Post# 752457 , Reply# 59   4/24/2014 at 21:33 (1,095 days old) by epixstar128 (toledo,Oh)        

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The hot gas bypass whould close way before it got too warm . I did the same thing when i first got my combo. Left the thermostat off and the inside got to 80 in my 65 degree basment. I felt the butter condisner and it was still giving off heat even with the thermostat off.

Post# 752458 , Reply# 60   4/24/2014 at 21:48 (1,095 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Yep Eric, it was on soft. Perhaps that contributed to the heat build up.  The dial is on 1 now until I can completely turn it off  for a thorough inside cleaning. I have to some how address that broken plastic panel on the freezer door that attaches to the wire basket. Wish I could find a replacement.


I'm not sure what happened Eugene, only that the coils became very warm. The minute I switched it on, they started to cool.

Post# 752462 , Reply# 61   4/24/2014 at 21:57 (1,095 days old) by lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
I just trashed the fridge last summer.

Or I would have had every part you would need. I do have the cold control still.

Post# 752464 , Reply# 62   4/24/2014 at 22:01 (1,095 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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I'm confused.  John said this fridge (30" wide) didn't have the hot gas system, but the larger size did.   That's why I mentioned a  defrost timer.

Post# 752466 , Reply# 63   4/24/2014 at 22:04 (1,095 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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What a shame Eugene. I wouldn't even know where to start to look for one. Cry

Post# 752470 , Reply# 64   4/24/2014 at 22:44 (1,095 days old) by epixstar128 (toledo,Oh)        

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The later models of this size went to electric. Heating defrost i belive after 65 or 66. The units with exposed coils just scream hot gas defrost by design. My guess whould be exposed coils=hot gas defrost

Post# 752472 , Reply# 65   4/24/2014 at 22:54 (1,095 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
1964 GE Bottom Freezer Frost Guard Refrigerator

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Hi Louie, love the new refrigerator hopefully it will work out well with the Coloric range.

Questions and answers

This GE Ref has hot gas defrost, the later 30 1/2 " models without the coils in the top of the refrigerator section had resistance electric defrost. All GE 34" wide bottom freezer refs had HGD with a single evaporator in the back of the freezer, these had two evaporator fans and two thermostats [ one in each section to control temperatures ]

This ref has a timer to initiate a defrost cycle after 12 hours of compressor running time has accumulated. It does not cool a little colder before going into a defrost cycle.

This ref has two evaporators, the Freon travels through the freezers E first then through the E in the top of the fresh food section. On this type refrigerator the frost melts off the FF E every time the compressor shuts off and to keep frost from accumulating on the ends of the FF E there is a little electric heater on both sides of the FF E, these little heaters are ON whenever the compressor is off, this is why when you turn off the cold control the FF E actually gets warm.

The advantage of this type of refrigeration system is no taste or odor transfer from ref to freezer sections. The main disadvantage is there is no separate temperature control for each section.

Even though GE used there own compressor on these HGD refrigerators you can install a normal compressor if it fails. I have a 1960 GE Frost Guard up-right freezer that had a bad compressor when I found it almost 30 years ago, my brother Jeff installed a regular compressor in it and it works perfectly to this day.

These were good performing refs if everything was working correctly, but dual evaporator refs were prone to more temperature issue problems. A ref like this will easily use 3-4 times as much power as a new ref of equal capacity, and other than not transferring ref odors into the ice in the freezer does not keep food any longer than a new refrigerator, Louie I would keep your little chest freezer for foods that you want to keep in the freezer long term.

Enjoy your new classic, John L.

Post# 752482 , Reply# 66   4/25/2014 at 00:04 (1,095 days old) by washer111 ()        

The defrost system you mention John was common on Kelvinator "Cyclic" models here in Australia for many years - except the freezer was typically manual defrost. 


When the fridge cycled off, very small heaters assisted defrost on the "U" coil in FF section (It followed the left, rear and right hand walls), into a little gutter, then onto the compressor to be evaporated. 


These fridges without the frost-free, even with thirstier compressors, are very quiet, even older models still running and probably use very little electricity for their age. 

Its a shame that models like this were discontinued; Manual defrost freezers are much better for food, and save so much energy - and I consider it quite wasteful to have a electric "frost-free" refrigerator compartment, like in our large refrigerator-only model, which defrosts every six hours (Fan-on + a 300w heater). 

Post# 752487 , Reply# 67   4/25/2014 at 00:14 (1,095 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks John! I'm very happy with it, and can't wait to see it together with the Caloric and the Maytag!

Post# 752490 , Reply# 68   4/25/2014 at 00:32 (1,095 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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John, thanks for explaining both systems and their pros & cons.

Post# 753055 , Reply# 69   4/27/2014 at 08:26 (1,093 days old) by lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Defrost timer?

John, is that what that "probe" thing that is located in the top of the freezer compartment? I thought that to be a sensor of sorts, but I can easily See how it could be a temperature activated defrost timer.

Post# 753087 , Reply# 70   4/27/2014 at 11:23 (1,093 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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The orignal defrost timers on GE FF freezers was a timer combined with a capillary sensor bulb, the sensor halted the defrost hot gas valve operation when the bulb was warmed to a temperature well above freezing, somewhere in the 45F-55F degree range, it varied by model etc. Toward the end of GE hot gas defrost refrigerators they simplified the system by just using a 12 hour, 10 minute defrost timer, this seemed to work very well as HGD refrigerators defrosted very quickly. These capillary defrost timers have been NLA for many many years so if it fails we just use a 12 Hr 10 Min timer as a replacement.

I have never figured why new refrigerators do not use HGD with the quest for energy efficiency today, not only does using the compressor use far less power than a resistance defrost heater, 150 watts for a compressor vs 300-500 watts for a defrost heater, and the HGD method puts the heat exactly where needed [ the frozen evaporator tubing ] so the air around the evaporator and the freezer itself warn up less, AND HGD is much faster since again the heat is applied exactly where the frost has formed.

I have asked many people who work with design and building home refrigeration appliances and have never gotten a answer, if anyone out there has a good reason why they don't use HGD any longer I would love to hear it.

John L.

Post# 911716 , Reply# 71   12/18/2016 at 21:55 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
And a week before Christmas...

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The G.E. stopped cooling.



Post# 911717 , Reply# 72   12/18/2016 at 21:59 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I'm not sure if it's the condenser fan, thermostat, defrost timer...I turned it off, to let it defrost. I do need to remove the freezer basket to gain access to the fan.

Post# 911720 , Reply# 73   12/18/2016 at 22:11 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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The heater kicked in, the frost is beginning to melt.

Post# 911725 , Reply# 74   12/18/2016 at 22:45 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Yeah Louie, that looks more to me like it didn't know when to quit cooling! 


The serpentine coil on mine was growing a thick layer of frost a while back and it was due to the cold control having gone bad.  Not the same defrost system as yours (no heater involved) but the coil had built up much more frost than usual, and the fridge wouldn't stop running.


At least the frost on yours formed an even layer.  If it was all on one section of the coil, that would be bad news.


Keep us posted!

Post# 911734 , Reply# 75   12/18/2016 at 23:53 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Well, turned it back on. Compressor kicked in, evaporator fan in freezer section did not. So I suppose it's the fan.

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Post# 911737 , Reply# 76   12/19/2016 at 00:47 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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You mean the evaporator fan inside the freezer, right?  The condenser fan would be under (outside) the freezer way in back -- it blows warm air over the condensate pan and out the front of the grille.  If the condenser fan stopped working, the fridge -- and freezer section in particular -- would have trouble cooling down to the set temperature.  Ice cream firmness is a good indicator.


And if the freezer has a door (drawer) switch, did you push it to see if the fan would run?  On some early frost free systems, they used such a switch so the freezer's evaporator fan would cut out as soon as the door/drawer was opened.


Either way, I hope you can find an exact replacement or one that won't require major modifications.

Post# 911760 , Reply# 77   12/19/2016 at 04:37 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Yes, my mistake, the evaporator fan isn't running. The evaporator fan would run, regardless on whether the freezer door was open or closed. Come to think of it, I don't feel the condenser fan running either. The coils are cold in the refrigerator section now. Just barely some frost on them, the few things I left inside are cold. 

Post# 911776 , Reply# 78   12/19/2016 at 07:17 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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Hi Louie, What quit cooling? the ref or freezer section?Was the evaporator in the back of the freezer section also badly frosted over?


If the freezer section fan is not running when the compressor is running in cooling mode the door operated fan switch may be bad, test this first and it is OK to bypass if no replacement sw is readily available.


The condenser under ref should be running whenever the compressor is running except it may not run when compressor is in Hot-Gas-Defrost mode, the early models the CF did not run in defrost later they did.


With all the frost you had in the ref section the food should have been pretty cold and even freezing some. If the food was freezing [ in the ref section ] you may have a bad cold control, unfortunately if not you have a weak compressor, was the compressor ever changed on this ref? If not you have a serious problem on your hands.

Post# 911780 , Reply# 79   12/19/2016 at 07:52 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hi John. They are actually cooling. I noticewd the heavy frost build up first. The evaporater fan stopped working. I noticed the fan for the last few months was making a clanking sound. To my knowledge the motor was never changed.

Post# 911814 , Reply# 80   12/19/2016 at 14:13 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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I've replaced evaporator fans before, but on Whirlpool/Coldspots.  It's probably not a big deal to get at it on your GE (presuming the drawer can be easily removed for access), but finding a fan that's an exact fit might be a challenge.  If only the motor is bad, you may be able to re-use the existing mounting brackets for a new motor (with similar specs) or find a universal fit replacement assembly and be back in business without hitting a bunch of snags.


On our '70 Whirlpool top-mount, even though the fan was running slowly, it managed to keep things cool.  My experience told me that the air movement should have been stronger, so I finally took the time to install a new fan.  What a difference!  I have to assume it increased efficiency, or at the very least provided more even temperature distribution throughout the fridge and freezer sections.

Post# 911818 , Reply# 81   12/19/2016 at 15:06 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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That's my thinking Ralph. The condenser fan is running. Only the evaporator fan has stopped. My dad said it was a simple fix. We're going tomorrow to find a replacement fan. I'll be taking the old one out for reference as soon as I remove the freezer drawer.


John, I believe the only switch at the freezer drawer is for the light only. When the evaporator fan was operational, it ran regardless whether the freezer drawer was open or not.


The coils in the refrigerator continue to have slight frost on them, they seem fine. The refrigerator section is cold. The freezer section is too, but not as it should be.

Post# 911851 , Reply# 82   12/19/2016 at 21:23 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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The coils are cycling normally now. No more heavy frost build-up. The refrigerator continues to cool fine. The evaporator fan is still nonfunctional. How odd the refrigerator section is back to normal.

Post# 911931 , Reply# 83   12/20/2016 at 12:20 by kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)        

If the bearings aren't worn, these little evaporator fan motors can often be serviced. They are very similar to the motor in an older record player.

The link below is a great video on servicing this type of motor. The only part I disagree with is his choice of oil. Sewing machine oil or Zoom Spout turbine oil works much better.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO kenwashesmonday's LINK

Post# 911972 , Reply# 84   12/20/2016 at 21:05 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks Ken, I had no idea you could repair them. Something I will definitely keep in mind.

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