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Post# 846215   10/17/2015 at 12:53 (554 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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So, I've moved.. Finally... I'll post on that in the Super forum... But...

I've sold my GE's.....

Here's the replacement pair.. (Spoiler W3038 with a T8023C!)

I washed 13 aprons on sanitize before I thought about pics, 20 napkins with 8 flour sack towels in the second load, 30 bar mops with 8 hand towels, 8 wash cloths and 6 kitchen rags in the third load, 44 microfiber rags, two microfiber pads and 1 bona pro microfiber mop pad in the fourth load and 16 bath towels (various sizes) in the last load. I did each of the loads on sanitize.

Since I have access to the service manual, I turned allergy on as well as WaterPlus and Extra rinse. I can't believe how fast this machine spins. The programming from the factory was set at 1500 rpm.

The condensing dryer is odd. It's neat but I'm not used to the furnace effect.

I have the pedestals coming. I love the size of these units. I'm hoping I don't have issues washing pillows or bulky blankets.

It is really interesting how much you can cram into this washer and it still comes out clean. I did notice that the manual says not to load the drum over 3/4 full or items may get stuck on the glass.. Is that loaded and dry, or loaded and saturated? All of the loads I ran ended up being close to half the tub or lower after wet.

The only flaw I am seeing is that the boot/door gasket doesn't have holes low enough to let water out of the gasket all of the way... I find that odd.

Anyways, after the person takes delivery of the GE pair, my Miele dishwasher will come home. I'm really excited for that as well.


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Post# 846220 , Reply# 1   10/17/2015 at 13:12 (554 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Photo #1 is almost a work of art1 All those colors with the absolute proper lighting. I'd enlarge that photo and frame it and use it as a laundry room artwork!
What kind of camera did you use for that photo?


Post# 846224 , Reply# 2   10/17/2015 at 13:39 (554 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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That's a neat idea! I have a friend that has a canvas printer, maybe she can make something for me.

The pic was taken with a Samsung Galaxy S5 phone.


Post# 846229 , Reply# 3   10/17/2015 at 14:35 (554 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

I agree but I find #6 etremely intriguing as well, not sure why.

Might be the contrast between the light & depth of the interior with the lack of both of the exterior.

I have a 'tin ear' for visual art as well as for music. And I have a friend who's a professional artist and knows this about me. He's always fascinated by what draws me in.
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I've heard comments about how certain FL's can be ridiculously overloaded (dry), yet clothes come out sparkling regardless. Haven't figured out commonalities yet.

What's the drying like with that (over)load? How much extra time was needed?

My condenser-dryer experience is limited to an Equator 3600E. The only change I ever noticed with the drum being technically overloaded was an increase in both drying time and wrinkles. Certainly the machine itself never showed any signs of struggling, ever. Then again, I think I'm the only person who ever had a perfectly functioning equator, lol.

Jim



Post# 846245 , Reply# 4   10/17/2015 at 16:24 (554 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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The longest drying time on a normal cycle took around 45 minutes, the shortest was the load of aprons that took around 28 minutes.

Post# 846267 , Reply# 5   10/17/2015 at 17:28 (554 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Nice set! As for capacity: picture 4 is about half what the drum can hold.

Post# 846275 , Reply# 6   10/17/2015 at 17:58 (554 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Loading 3/4's full

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Is standard advice now on Miele washing machines it seems. Most likely has to do with the puny water/energy restrictions dictates by government.

To compare can load the commercial SQ laundromat machines filled to the gills, once saturated with water things compact down to 3/4 or less of a drum filled.

Congrats on a great new set!



Post# 846297 , Reply# 7   10/17/2015 at 19:25 (554 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I never would have guessed that photo was made with a phone camera. It's like a fabric explosion of a fruit punch! Cantelope, Lemon, Lime, Blueberry, and even a Pomegranite!

Post# 846539 , Reply# 8   10/19/2015 at 02:40 (552 days old) by mieleforever (SOUTH AFRICA)        
Well congratulations

on a very neat set of machines!! As stated in previous posts of mine on this forum, they are really excelent in cleaning!! We have two children and these days they generate a lot of laundry, but the Mieles just take it in their stride. The condensor machines really does cope very good with the drying of clothes and we have not had a single problem with both of the machines, given they are still relatively young, 5 years and counting but they get hammered everyday!

I do hope you enjoy them, take care of them and they will take care of you for quite some time.

Regards.


Post# 846573 , Reply# 9   10/19/2015 at 10:23 (552 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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That's a beautiful Miele set. Congratulations on them and the forthcoming dishwasher, as well!

A question from a former caterer: How long did it take to untangle all the strings from those thirteen aprons, LOL? I used to wash huge loads of aprons, bar mops, dish towels, etc., after catering gigs and spent a fair amount of time detangling. I love bar mops and use them all the time.

Have fun with your Mieles and let us know more about them as you learn more. I've never seen a Miele in person, nor have I known anyone who had one.


Post# 846638 , Reply# 10   10/19/2015 at 21:03 (552 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)        
Swoon!

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Very nice Miele set! Please keep us posted on your experiences. I'm just waiting for my 9 year-old KitchenAid front loader to croak so I can get a W3038. I may have to help things along. We have a Miele dishwasher and three vacuums and are big fans of the brand.

Do you have hard or soft water? How much detergent are you using?



Post# 846688 , Reply# 11   10/20/2015 at 06:45 (551 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Nice.

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Sounds like the condenser dryer is a better performer than the vented model it replaced. The vented dryer was the biggest reason I decoded to dump the Miele set and return to an American sized dryer.

Malcolm


Post# 847488 , Reply# 12   10/25/2015 at 01:52 (546 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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I have more pics and thoughts to post but... Now I have an issue...

I ran a load of 6 bath sheet sized towels on sanitize and left for the day...

I came back, the machine had water inlet fault, open faucet on it.

I checked the connections, tried to run a rinse (I think it faulted out on the end of the wash cycle) and it faulted again.

I ran a spin/drain cycle, it drained and spun fine, so I ran an express wash on warm. The drum filled 3/4 of the way before it faulted out again, saying the same thing.......

None of our service department has been trained on Miele.. I logged into the service site, it says check hoses etc, but I am guessing the level sensor isn't registering the proper level...

I've had this set, what two weeks? lol... whats the luck...




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Post# 847491 , Reply# 13   10/25/2015 at 02:25 (546 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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Got into service mode, did a component test, the first spray on the door ran, advanced to fill to level one, it filled to the top of the drum... something is blocking the pressure switch...

I advanced until the drain ran, let it drain till empty, opened the drain catch and caught the remaining water in a pan... I saw a few granules of cat litter (a towel a few loads back had some cat litter on it) and a random twig that I'm not sure how it got there. I'm wondering if a granule or two got stuck in the hose?

Now I gotta go find my tools and take the blasted thing apart.. :/


Post# 847496 , Reply# 14   10/25/2015 at 04:33 (546 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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After attempting to make sense of the tecnical information paper on this unit, and nearly a bottle of reisling, a solution was found....

Mind you this was not mentioned anywhere on the manual... I took the lid off, unhooked the pressure switch hose from the main board and blew on it. I heard air leaking in the front panel...

After the rest of the bottle of reisling, trying to figure out how to take the front panel off, common sense kicked in and I decided to take the instructions as they were meant, word for word... Lol i figured out how to slide the button panel off, got the button assembly out and discovered the pressure switch hose wqs disconnected from a splice. Placed the hose back on and am rinsing the load that faulted out....

Im gonna guess there was a severe out of balance with these heavy towels and the tub lurched and the short hose popped off.

Anyways, have a great night!!


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Post# 847498 , Reply# 15   10/25/2015 at 04:40 (546 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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The spin speed of this washer and how it just tears into a spin like a hard mount scares the crap out of me....

Post# 847506 , Reply# 16   10/25/2015 at 06:39 (546 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Miele washers are known for "tearing" into spins

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Mine is much older than yours and sometimes scares me to death when the tub *whacks* against upper cabinet.

Now OTOH the Lavamat slowly revs up to spin and will not go into full if it detects things are out of sorts. It will slow down, stop, redistribute, slowly ramp up to spin and so forth unit it can detect things are within acceptable range. That being said on some loads it does "jump" a tiny bit if things are out of whack. This is mainly when doing loads with heavy items like towels and wash cloths that are soaking wet. As water is spun out and the load lightens things smooth out.

Glad you were able to sort things out. Good job you are "in the business" as it were. Saved you the $$$ and time of having Miele service come out.

L.

L.


Post# 847507 , Reply# 17   10/25/2015 at 06:43 (546 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Its actually not uncommon for a Miele to develop a fault early in its life. Early or laze, barely inbetween. I guess it was just not 100% secured and thus the OOB situation caused that fault.

And yes, the OOB controll on these is really special. These washer can spin with a weight difference of 2kg, if I remember correctly. Though they'd never do that.


Post# 847509 , Reply# 18   10/25/2015 at 07:09 (546 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
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And leaving the house is a severe no-no in my book.
Glad you didn't have a flood on your hands.

Malcolm


Post# 847516 , Reply# 19   10/25/2015 at 08:06 (546 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
WPS

These are equipped with the Miele WaterProof system.
They have 2-wall inlet hoses, both should be equipped with a double electric valve at the faucet side of the hose.
Further, the machine has a steel floor pan with a flood switch integrated into the machine base. Should either of the hoses burst, the outer shell will guide the water into the machine base.
Same if a leak occurs inside the machine.
The flood switch in the base will then be activated, activating the drain pump and closing all valves if open.
Same happens if the washer recognizes water levels above safety limit and drainig does not reset the safety limit within a certain number of secconds.
This system is active at any point the machine is turned on.
Consequently, the only fault combination of any component between faucet and drain hose leaving the washer that could cause a leak would be both of the safety valves in either hose failing at once together with either the drain pump or the hose it self.
And even then the life long warranty for this system should cover your damage as long as installed correctly.


Post# 847570 , Reply# 20   10/25/2015 at 18:17 (546 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
In theory my Lavamat is supposed to have those WPS hoses

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As a similar water protection system to Miele's is also found, but quickly got shot of that scheme.

First the darn hoses cost quite dear for what they are. Second since one swaps between the Miele, AEG and Hoover TT none of the machines are permanently connected. If one is hooked up and water begins to leak will be there and know at once.

As for the OOB and Miele washers "banging", that is the reason no longer do heavy cotton blankets in my w1070. When she got things right all was well, but usually one spin out of several at least things wouldn't be in perfect alignment then whoaaa Nellie!

Thankfully have the laundromat round corner or if things come to the worse will wash in the Miele and use a mangle to extract much of the water. Can then bung the mostly dry blanket into the AEG for a final high speed extraction.


Post# 847576 , Reply# 21   10/25/2015 at 18:48 (546 days old) by washer111 ()        
I Hear You on "Exiciting Spin-Ups"

Our W5741 on many occasions will get carried away and spin up faster than the pump will handle it, which triggers oversudsing protocol. Sometimes, the thing will have its "Thinking Cap" affixed tightly to its control board, and will either do a pulse spin before the actual spin OR ramp up very slowly.

 

Both conditions have been noted on very large and even very small loads, so it seems there is no pattern to it. 


Post# 847871 , Reply# 22   10/27/2015 at 02:51 (544 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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Just a heads up, here are the hoses my machines came with.

Also, the same style of hose on all of the dishwashers I ordered as well.


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Post# 847875 , Reply# 23   10/27/2015 at 03:11 (544 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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A friend of mine uses cloth diapers but is trying to get as close to living off grid as possible. I knew she was having some issues with amonia buildup so being the curious person that I am, I asked if I could try washing some of the difficult ones in my new machines.

I ran them through two cycles on custom, sanitize temp, heavy soil, extended and sensitive. The first cycle I used 1/2 tbsp persil power pearls (ppp) in the pre-wash, 1 tbsp ppp in main wash and two tablespoons tide oxy. The second time 1 tbsp ppp pre-wash, 1 tbsp ppp main wash and 1.5 tbsp tide oxy as well as 1/4 cup white vinegar in the softener dispenser.

The diapers came out smelling clean and fresh, with a light whiff of the ppp. Just to be sure, I ran a quick rinse to make sure the babies don't have a soap rash.

After the diapers, I ran a custom-sanitize cycle with no pre-wash and two pacs of great value dish detergent. This is one of the several wash motions I noticed. I thought you guys woud enjoy this.






Post# 847893 , Reply# 24   10/27/2015 at 08:31 (544 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
WCS

Hmm... The Miele website said WPS in the spec sheet. The WCS is limited to the overflow protection.

Post# 859852 , Reply# 25   1/3/2016 at 17:54 (476 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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So, I must have found a pair that I really enjoy. I can load the washer, tell it what I want it to do and when I come back, things are clean and cat hair free....

I haven't had second thoghts about this pair, I really do love the condenser dryer.

When Miele has the launch for the larger laundry for US, I am not sure if I'll upgrade or not. I do know that when the larger laundry comes here, there won't be any stopping the sales. People are willing to pay for the quality and durability.

As far as the dishwasher goes, I am stuck between two models.... The PG8083 (Edited the model) or the G6985. The pg has the large waterproof hose, the g has the regular hose... In the cavity, they have the hot water coming from the floor, with the valve at a 45 degree angle with the port facing towards the front. If I get the PG, it will have to be modified to fit the waterproof system. If I knew how to solder copper, I wouldn't be worried and would just take care of it. I am not sure I want a plumber coming in and .... Finagling stuff to work...

Anyways, the reason for my post. With this washer, I love how when I tell it to use hot water, the water is hot and the heater keeps it hot. No other washer did that. I love it!




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Post# 859853 , Reply# 26   1/3/2016 at 18:00 (476 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Not quite sure cause there is no 8030 I can find, but usually, the PG line is closer to the industrial design. And if so, you're dealing with 2 entire different beasts under the hood.

Post# 859867 , Reply# 27   1/3/2016 at 18:58 (476 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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Hey, sorry My fat thumbs... I typed the wrong model number, I meant PG8083. Stupid smart phones.. lol

Post# 859879 , Reply# 28   1/3/2016 at 20:12 (476 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Almost 4 years Old now,  I have a 4842 with the Water Proof Sustem.

 

The first machine spun the Main Bearing in 5 months. There was a little dance around the Campfire on having the machine replaced. Miele USA in New Jersey sent up a tech and he was really great about it. He called his Boss and said..."The Customer wants the machine replaced or he mentioned getting an attorney involved.

I had the New Machine 2 weeks later. you see they wanted to take the machine to New Jersey, replace the Bearing and bring it back to me in 3-4 weeks.

I simply explained to them that after spending $1800+ for a Washer and it had a Major Failure in 5 months of light use by a single person, this was totally unacceptable. Plus the Tech was pretty impressed with at the time, 6 Vintage Washers and 8 Vintage Dishwashers all in a glance around the room.

   The Link is to all my posts about the 4842.

It has been behaving fairly well. Although sometimes it just stops and beeps clearing the cycle and starting it over again is fine. Should it break down after the Extended Warranty is up, I will have to take a loan out from the bank to have it repaired.

Finally got the Water Levels straightened out but it still is not enough for me. If it ever breaks down I'll buy up some Vintage GEs or BD Kenmores and be done with Front Loaders.

 

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Post# 859917 , Reply# 29   1/4/2016 at 03:26 (475 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

When I was looking at buying a Miele W4842 here in Canada, the washer was priced at about $2400, with a one year warranty. For each extra year of warranty I could add to it, it cost an additional $500.

I bought a Huebsch (aka Speed Queen) washer instead because it was $500 cheaper, had 3x the warranty over the Miele and had a steel outer tub, as opposed to the plastic outer tub which the W4842 had. At the time though, it was only one of two front loaders on the market with metal baffles in the tub.

I'm sorry to hear of the issues you had with your W4842, but it makes me all the more glad that I didn't buy one! My Huebsch has been trouble free in the five years I've had it. (Knocks on wood) It just does its job.

I don't mean to rub it in, but your negative experience kind of surprised me.


Post# 859927 , Reply# 30   1/4/2016 at 04:12 (475 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Guess it was a Lemon so to speak from the get go.

Oh Well... for the most part now it's fine. I have to say with the on board heater, I haven't used Bleach since the Extra White Program has extra heat. It does a great job on white laundry.

And like most Dishwashers today, It takes so darn long. The average program is 1:12.

Express is 30 minutes.


Post# 859928 , Reply# 31   1/4/2016 at 04:21 (475 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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Having access to every dealer's inventory, I would have been able to purchase the 4842. There are a few new old stock units left around....

But, after talking to service managers and an engineer, the 4842 was made only for the North American market and it just wasn't a good machine. That's why I went with the little guys. That design is used world-wide.

That's also why I think when the W1 comes this way, it will be a good machine. It is used World Wide.

I don't trust products that global companies make for one particular market. Even if it is Miele. ;)


Post# 859930 , Reply# 32   1/4/2016 at 04:35 (475 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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"When Miele has the launch for the larger laundry for US"

What larger units?


Post# 859931 , Reply# 33   1/4/2016 at 04:37 (475 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Hi Josh.

I did hear about the 4842 made for the U.S. That was their competitor for the "Uber" market. I thought at the time "if Miele makes it and I'm spending that kind of money it has to be great".
I was hugely disappointed in Customer Service especially when I got the attitude.

I am in the restaurant business. And I know you treat your Service Tech companies with Kid Gloves and respect. Because when you need service NOW, paying your bill and just being kind over the phone is HUGE. Miele North America in New Jersey got my Knickers in a knot when they started with the attitude there was nothing wrong with the machine and got short with me when I told them I wanted it replaced.
I don't and I don't believe any one likes to be threatened but in this case all I had to do is say "Attorney", and that changed everything.


Post# 859964 , Reply# 34   1/4/2016 at 08:22 (475 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

That PG model is certanly a ofspring of the professional line.
If you look at the data sheet, it can be connected for a 5kW service, so it has the larger pump and the different cycle timing.

Both models are certanly good choices, though I'd go with the G, simply cause I don't think anybody needs this monster of a machine PG with up to 190l recirculation rate. And the G is way quieter.


Post# 859975 , Reply# 35   1/4/2016 at 09:35 (475 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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I wouldn't mind having that monster of a dishwasher in my kitchen. :)

Post# 860164 , Reply# 36   1/5/2016 at 02:13 (474 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I have the 1999 Miele Touchtronic washer too. It does great with whites and easily does pillows. Mine also has the drawer. Got it free. Mieleusa sent me the mother board, new dispenser drawer,new rubber leveling legs and charged me $0 for parts and labor after they heard I located and saved it from the dump. I could and should have taken its matching electric dryer. It too was in pristine condition but,at that time, I had no housepower and already knew I wanted the washer.

Post# 860201 , Reply# 37   1/5/2016 at 08:24 (474 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Congratulation on your MIeles!

Sometimes sticky situations call for lubrication and the reisling was the perfect lubricant. You are a great problem solver and machine fixer.

My W1918 will go into the higher speed spins like between the last two rinses with little finesse, even in the graduated stages, but the W1986 will ramp up gradually, unless it has tried several times. Then it just quickly goes into a low speed spin to extract what water it can, but it has a much more sophisticated motor speed control than the W1918.

I do not go away and leave machines operating. You might miss something great on the Laundry Channel.


Post# 873082 , Reply# 38   3/17/2016 at 21:26 (402 days old) by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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So... have used the pair for 5 months today, and aside from having that pressure hose pop off, all has been well...

I am curious though.. I use my sanitize temp more than anything else.... I don't wash denim, so my polyester slacks get ran through the wrinkle free cycle on very warm with miele color powder, my polyester polo shirts the same way. Mostly anything else is ran on custom > sanitize > max spin ....

By anything else, I mean my kitchen rags, my bath towels, wash cloths, socks, underwear... anything that gets 'dirty'. I run my Egyptian cotton sheets through on sanitize, because I sweat and drool when I sleep.

I don't run my down through sanitize, I mean, I do use a bit of common sense, but anything I get dirty with body dirt or food dirt gets sanitized... (The down's duvet is sanitized.)

Am I going to damage the sheets/duvet on sanitize? Why I ask is because they are 100% cotton. Why can white cotton / linen be sanitized but colored should be washed with cooler temps? I mean I get the colors will fade, and I am fine with that. I didn't pay much for the sheets, and they have lasted 5 years so far, always being ran on a sanitize wash of some form and a normal medium or medium low drying temp. (Did I mention that I drool? lol) I use the mypillow chopped up foam pillows and I bought those for the simple fact that the lady said that I could wash them on sanitize and if something were to happen, they would still replace them. I wash those pillows once a month....

Anyways, I hope all is well with everyone!!


Post# 926701 , Reply# 39   3/13/2017 at 23:35 by jkbff (Gladstone, ND)        

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So.. today, I sold my Miele pair.

A good customer needed something for his camper right away, and the fastest thing I could get him was the pair I use. I got what I paid for it so I'm not out anything...

I've got 3 neptunes, a speed queen front load pair, a samsung top load and a LG 27" combo washer/dryer. I think I'll be alright for the time being.

I am purchasing an Electrolux 617 pair, but giving them to my mom. Her neptune washer is getting tired. The bearings are going, the inner tub is rubbing the outer tub and has started snagging/tearing clothes. She is fighting me because she doesn't want me to pay for them, but she really has no choice. Plus, the Luxs are the only ones that have a reversible washer door to fit the setup she has.

Anyways, I love my Miele's but I guess I'll just rotate them out like everything else.





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