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Post# 877147   4/15/2016 at 02:48 (607 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks to an ad posting from Phil, and for Mark being so kind picking it up for me, I am now the proud owner of a KitchenAid KDP-20 Patrician.

 

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Post# 877148 , Reply# 1   4/15/2016 at 02:53 (607 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Mark told me the Patrician is in nice shape and sent me these pictures:

 

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Post# 877149 , Reply# 2   4/15/2016 at 02:55 (607 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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We plan the meet in Maryland in the summer so I can pick-up the Patrician.

 

That will give me time to modify a base cabinet that I have and lay down some pipe.

 

Stay tuned!

 

 

 

 

 


Post# 877154 , Reply# 3   4/15/2016 at 05:47 (607 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Louie, glad you finally found a KA you wanted and had the feature(s) you were looking for.  Very nice looking too!!


Post# 877159 , Reply# 4   4/15/2016 at 06:30 (607 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
Nice looking dishwasher

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These are great machines!!


Post# 877168 , Reply# 5   4/15/2016 at 07:49 (607 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Bob, while not a Superba, I think this one will do nicely. The condition was nice and the price was right.


Post# 877169 , Reply# 6   4/15/2016 at 07:50 (607 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thank you Ralph. I have always been fond of KitchenAid. :)


Post# 877192 , Reply# 7   4/15/2016 at 13:28 (607 days old) by newvista58 (Northern NJ)        
CONGRATS LOUIE.....

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a MOST Excellent find. I'm glad you
got what you wanted :)


Post# 877197 , Reply# 8   4/15/2016 at 14:26 (607 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA -Next Wash-In...June 2018!)        
A Hobart grows in Brooklyn!

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Great find Louie!

Post# 877286 , Reply# 9   4/16/2016 at 00:42 (607 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks Louis!

 

Thanks Jerry!


Post# 877602 , Reply# 10   4/18/2016 at 21:27 (604 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. )        
Laying Pipe?

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Do you need help with that? It sounds like an AWFULLY BIG PROJECT to me. Just sayin....

You will be happy to know that your dishwasher is very cozy with some friends. My front bedroom now has like six dishwashers in it. Anytime anyone comes over to spend the night they just roll their eyes. I expect the show hoarders to be knocking on my door any day now...



Post# 877622 , Reply# 11   4/18/2016 at 23:15 (604 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
"Laying pipe"

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Well Mark I'd never say no to a helping hand. Specially on a big project. ;) Glad the Patrician is all comfy and cozy with his mates. Once again, thank you so  much Mark.


Post# 877809 , Reply# 12   4/19/2016 at 22:43 (603 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Does anyone know he exact dimensions of the KDP-20? I need to modify a base cabinet I have. 

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

 


Post# 877850 , Reply# 13   4/20/2016 at 04:26 (602 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
Here you go.

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Post# 877921 , Reply# 14   4/20/2016 at 15:18 (602 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thank you Ralph! Any idea how deep the Patrician is? I'm trying to determine if I'll have clearance for a 2" drainage pipe in the rear.

 

I can't use the base cabinet after all, it's only 23 inches wide. Going to have to by a pre-made  one.


Post# 877925 , Reply# 15   4/20/2016 at 15:53 (602 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
Check your email.

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I sent you something that may help.  It's not the best scan but the opening dimensions are on there.  It looks like it wants a minimum of 24 1/4.  Depending how low you put the pipe you should be OK.


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Post# 877972 , Reply# 16   4/20/2016 at 20:27 (602 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thank you again Ralph! It seems I'll have the clearance if the Patrician is 21" at it's deepest point.


Post# 878032 , Reply# 17   4/21/2016 at 07:21 (601 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Installing a KD-20 Series KA DW

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Hi Louie, you need 24"in depth for this and most US DWs, many European DWs are only 22" deep however.

 

One neat thing about KA DWs from this time period is you can install them freestanding and attach sides and top as desired because of the DWs full frame construction, you may not really need a cabinet, sometimes this really helps if you have a tight space.


Post# 878066 , Reply# 18   4/21/2016 at 12:02 (601 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hey thanks John. I had no idea you could basically attach the sides and top directly to the dishwasher. The Patrician is going to go where the Maytag A-107 is now, between the G.E. and the Caloric so it is going to be free standing.


Post# 892680 , Reply# 19   8/5/2016 at 22:38 (495 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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An update to the title: A KitchenAid KDS-20 is Brooklyn Bound...

 

Why? Because I'm picking this up on Sunday:

 

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Thanks Eddie!



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Post# 892681 , Reply# 20   8/5/2016 at 22:49 (495 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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What happened to the KDP? Well Mark was about to drop it off to me on his way up north (I could just squeeze him to pieces for being so kind), but I ran across this ad that Eddie (Toploader55) had posted and , well, it's a Superba, I couldn't resist. So I gave my KDP to Mark (the very least I could do) and now my spouse and I are Cape Cod bound. Other than the mold on the upper lip of the wash tub, it certainly looks like what the seller described. It's not a a terribly long drive (about 5 hrs from Brooklyn, one way) but boy is my butt gonna be sore come Monday morning. Stay tuned!


Post# 892682 , Reply# 21   8/5/2016 at 23:12 (495 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Oddly, this KDS does not have the chrome trim for panel inserts. I thought those were standard, or where they removed from this particular one?


Post# 892860 , Reply# 22   8/7/2016 at 09:46 (493 days old) by Gilles8005 (Edmonton, AB)        
KDS-19C

That dishwasher model is the Superba KDS-19C. It has only fan dry. The first Prewash and final rinse in all Sani Cycles heats the water to 150F. The 19 series has no interchangeable panels like the 20 Series and newer. This dishwasher also has no Sani Cycle meaning that the last rinse would heat the water to 165F

Another thing where the air exhaust in the right back corner is made of plastic that is the reason why all the Full Cycles dry in fan dry only consisting of no heat. If you notice the older series and the newer 20 series has a metal one for the Flo-Thru drying.

The 20 series bought back the Flo-Thru drying and the first prewash heats the water to 150F including those models had the interchangeable front panels with the stainless steel trim and the Superba model in the 20 series has the Sani Cycle that heats the water again to 165F.


Post# 892939 , Reply# 23   8/7/2016 at 20:16 (493 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Thanks for the info Gilles!

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Well it's finally in Brooklyn. What a drive. Going was a piece a cake, but oh coming back on I-95 was brutal. When I got there, the KA was still installed. But the seller got it out and it wasn't easy. There was no hot water hose connected to the dishwasher, it was a copper pipe. I had never seen someone do that kind on installation. It also meant it hasn't been moved since installed. Underneath was pristine, clean as a whistle. In fact, I was amazed how clean it was on the sides and top. The insulation looked perfect. There was some mold and light grime in the tub, but it, and the racks looked great. I didn't see any rust first hand, except a light rust spot on the filter. According to the seller, it was his parents machine. It was used twice a week, six months of the year since new. It was last used 2 years ago. I'll be posting pictures soon.


Post# 892941 , Reply# 24   8/7/2016 at 20:47 (493 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Copper water line was common back in the day.  Our 1975 KDI-17a was installed (at the end of one leg of a U-shaped kitchen with the sink in the middle) with the water supply and drain line both copper.


Post# 893063 , Reply# 25   8/8/2016 at 19:55 (492 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I haven't taken the KitchenAid out of the SUV yet, but I took a few pictures. There seems to be evidence of a leak, but I was going to replace all the hoses anyway. More to come.

 

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Lower rack in great shape. Even has that elusive small items basket.

 

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Post# 893108 , Reply# 26   8/9/2016 at 06:14 (491 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
A frineds mom

had one in her condo. It was leaking, so he removed it and had me install a new one. I told him he should have had me check the hoses, and clamps first. He just assumed the tub had rusted, or the pump seals were bad.
It may have even been leaking from the drain solenoid.


Post# 893266 , Reply# 27   8/9/2016 at 22:58 (491 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Finally got it upstairs and in the terrace for now.

 

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Post# 893271 , Reply# 28   8/9/2016 at 23:57 (491 days old) by Goblues15 (manchester)        

By far my favorite dishwasher. Never had a dirty dish come out of the KA Still hunting for the rare stainless front version



Post# 893288 , Reply# 29   8/10/2016 at 05:58 (490 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes,

some newer dishwashers only do "rinsed only" at best.

Post# 893326 , Reply# 30   8/10/2016 at 09:55 (490 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Nice DW

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Hi Louie, you should consider replacing the main shaft seal in the pump and maybe the inlet valve on a KA DW of this age. Save your time and effort about replacing any rubber hoses unless you find a problem with one, KAs weren't know for bad hoses during his time period and it will be difficult to get ones that are as good and fit properly.

 

KA KD19-23 DWs held lots of DWs, the racks were well designed, but I finally gave up on my KDSS-20 and moved it to its permanent place in the museum because of the often poor top rack cleaning in the top rack. There is just not enough water pressure in the top rack and like many DWs the corners of the top rack will not constantly clean tall glasses.

 

So what did I install ? A new GE DW which is worse that the KA in almost all respects, I never though that I would actually keep the GE, so it is actually just here till install the other Whirlpool DU8000XR from the late 80s.


Post# 893415 , Reply# 31   8/10/2016 at 23:19 (490 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Thanks John. I was going to ask what preventive measures I can take before I install the KDS-19. On of the hoses show what may be a drip line. I'll probably run it only 2 or 3 times a week. So it may get even less use with me. To be honest, I am disappointed it's not a KDS-20 but this will suffice...for now. ;) I found a tiny dot of rust on top of one of the tines. What would be best, a cap or that special paint? 


Post# 893416 , Reply# 32   8/10/2016 at 23:21 (490 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I've seen those Matthew. They look so sleek in stainless, better that the ones with the frame.


Post# 893417 , Reply# 33   8/10/2016 at 23:23 (490 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. I've used Bosch and Frigidaire dishwashers. 2 hour cycles? No thanks.


Post# 893419 , Reply# 34   8/10/2016 at 23:47 (490 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Louie, get some brush-on touch-up for the rusty tine. 

 

You may have a hard time finding that same blue shade.  I found some old "Maytag" brand (not that Maytag) that was a darker blue, but it was a lot less noticeable than a cap.


Post# 893436 , Reply# 35   8/11/2016 at 06:50 (489 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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KDS-19

I bought one of those Brand New for my house in Sandwich back in 1981.

I thought it cleaned very well. The best drying results is on the Soak and Scrub Cycle. There is I believe 5 water heating sequences. 3 during the first Soak and Scrub portion, then the next water change, and the final rinse.

I liked that machine.

Sorry Louis... when I posted it I thought it was a 20 because you never see any 19s out there.


Post# 893581 , Reply# 36   8/11/2016 at 20:47 (489 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Hey no worries Eddie!

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I'm am very happy with the condition it's in. When the day comes for a KDS-20, this one will go to a happy home.


Post# 893659 , Reply# 37   8/12/2016 at 15:20 (488 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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somehow I find adding those caps on all the tines give it a neat uniform look.....and prevent future tip wear out on the others......and seem to grip/cushion dishware better than without....

even contrast the color scheme.....maybe bright white, or dark gray....

sometimes you might want to cut that tip off before sliding a cap over top.....just to eliminate the rust....


Post# 971335 , Reply# 38   12/3/2017 at 18:29 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
An update for the KDS-19C

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It's now residing in Long Island with it's new owner. He gave it a black paint job and I have to say, it looks mighty slick. He was kind enough to send me some pictures of the KDS-19C happily working along. I'm so GLAD it went to an appreciative home!

 

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Post# 971412 , Reply# 39   12/4/2017 at 06:36 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Just nothing!

Like a old Kitchen Aid, they WASH!, Mine is a custom 21. I want a KDS 17, I like the one arm machines.




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