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Post# 884948   6/13/2016 at 16:34 (2,885 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        

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A huge thank you to Kevin for picking it up for me!!!

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Post# 884952 , Reply# 1   6/13/2016 at 16:59 (2,885 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Wow!  What a big microwave you have... LOL

 

Congratulations on saving this one!  I'm guessing it's a Tappan.  


Post# 884953 , Reply# 2   6/13/2016 at 17:00 (2,885 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Some of the problems

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Well just a quick one over and 3 things so far. Bad fuse, diode, pump motor frozen, no coolant.

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Post# 884954 , Reply# 3   6/13/2016 at 17:01 (2,885 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Yup

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It's a Tappan

Post# 884955 , Reply# 4   6/13/2016 at 17:06 (2,885 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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What's the year to which it dates?


Post# 884957 , Reply# 5   6/13/2016 at 17:13 (2,885 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        

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So glad this went to a good home, Anthony!! I'd never seen one like this before...couldn't believe how heavy it was...hope you can get it going again!

Post# 884984 , Reply# 6   6/13/2016 at 20:21 (2,885 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Wow!!!!


Post# 885085 , Reply# 7   6/14/2016 at 10:04 (2,885 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Very Cool Anthony

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I just picked up a 1962 WH Water cooled MW the other week in Queens NY, We are going to have to get together and get some of these working, I now have two WHs and a 58 Hotpoint MW Cooking Center that need testing repairing.


Post# 885086 , Reply# 8   6/14/2016 at 10:17 (2,885 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Some pictures of the WH and HP MWOs

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Post# 885088 , Reply# 9   6/14/2016 at 10:22 (2,885 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
That was the HP

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Here is a few of the Tappan built 62 WH

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Post# 885189 , Reply# 10   6/14/2016 at 21:37 (2,884 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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Are these all still 2.4Ghz models?

Sure would be neat to see some heating tests so that efficiency could be calculated! ;)


Post# 885200 , Reply# 11   6/14/2016 at 23:00 (2,884 days old) by maytag63 (South Berwick, Maine)        

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I love Combo52's Hotpoint microwave oven dial. Looks so "cool."

Post# 885253 , Reply# 12   6/15/2016 at 06:11 (2,884 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
John

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That Hotpoint is awesome!  


Post# 885258 , Reply# 13   6/15/2016 at 06:45 (2,884 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Phil

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If I remember right they operate from 900 Mhz to 1 Ghz. Almost all had a 900 watt magnetron in the 50's I think that the 60's MW's were the same.  


Post# 885262 , Reply# 14   6/15/2016 at 07:07 (2,884 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Phill

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I found this. a maximum output power of 1 kw (microtron, model l3510, litton industries.


Post# 885263 , Reply# 15   6/15/2016 at 07:17 (2,884 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I like the styling of the early microwaves---tried to mimic the look of a traditional oven. Great saves, one and all!
Thanks for sharing your photos.


Post# 885266 , Reply# 16   6/15/2016 at 07:22 (2,884 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Early MWOs

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All these MWOs in question operate at 2450 Mhz just like current MWOs, the odd ones were GEs full sized ovens that combined microwave cooking in regular P-7 self cleaning ovens, these all operated at 915 Mhz.  GE built these 915Mhz ranges from 1966-1975 and then they switched to 2450 Mhz for the remainder of the time that GE made any combination ovens.

 

I have had 9 of these GE 915 Mhz combination ranges and still have 5 of them, I have heard that GE built some of these MWOs earlier than 1966 but can not find any evidence of them selling them to the public, I even though that this HP MWO cooking center was just a promotional appliance till Jeff [ MoparVrigina ] spotted this one in York Pa a few months ago.

 

I purchased the HPCC from a guy that bought the house where the HP had been delivered to and used in 1958, he gave me all the orignal paperwork and cook-books etc with it.


Post# 885271 , Reply# 17   6/15/2016 at 07:52 (2,884 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
John

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you are right.

 

it was shown by Kinn and Marcum (1947) that various sizes and shapes of heating cavities could be obtained by varying the wave guide termination. Similarly, the effect of heating and thawing foods with microwaves was studied by Morse and Rivercomb (1947) at 1,050 megacycles. They first described the "runaway" problem wherein the food thawed at one point and attracted a disproportionate share of energy.

In the early efforts, the Raytheon Company, the General Electric Company, and the Westinghouse Company were actively pursuing development programs in the United States. Raytheon selected 2,450 megacycles as a frequency for concentration while General Electric preferred to work with a frequency of about 915 megacycles. The U. S. Navy hoped to find a more appropriate method for preparing food in submarines and sponsored evaluations of ovens through the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery (Sussman 1947). They remained optimistic but respectful of the skills and special equipment involved.


Post# 885301 , Reply# 18   6/15/2016 at 11:02 (2,884 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Hot point microwave oven literature

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Pictures

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Post# 885305 , Reply# 19   6/15/2016 at 11:36 (2,884 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
John

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That is so awesome you got all the info with it too! surprised 


Post# 885330 , Reply# 20   6/15/2016 at 16:09 (2,884 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Well

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I think I finally figured out why none of these 50's and 60's MWO's won't work. If the nutrel line is tied to ground it back feeds high voltage simi DC thus shorting out the transfers then blowing the fueses. I tested this Thierry with the 1957 and this 1962 and its spot on. About 4 seconds and bam blown fueses! Un hook the "ground" works perfectly! So with that being said the 62 now works just whating on a pump that I can make work and it will work. John call me when you have time.

Post# 886115 , Reply# 21   6/20/2016 at 11:56 (2,879 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Here is a vid

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of it heating it's first glass of water in God only knows how long.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO mopar65's LINK


Post# 886118 , Reply# 22   6/20/2016 at 12:26 (2,879 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        

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Awesome! So glad you got it back up and running!!

Post# 886124 , Reply# 23   6/20/2016 at 14:03 (2,879 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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Me too Kevin! Btw that's a really nice stove you put in! Here are some pics of replaced parts/improvised parts. The pump could not be saved so I used a small 12V pound pump. I was trying to find a small 120V pump but as you can see that didn't happen. I will have to try cooking something that takes a long time and see if this little pump will have enough flow to keep everything cool.

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Post# 886126 , Reply# 24   6/20/2016 at 14:13 (2,879 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
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Just treated myself to some White Castles cooked in it :)

Post# 886133 , Reply# 25   6/20/2016 at 15:11 (2,879 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        

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The only thing better than White Castles are White Castles heated in a vintage microwave! Hope the new pump holds out!

Post# 886135 , Reply# 26   6/20/2016 at 15:28 (2,879 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I can't eat White Castles.

You wouldn't want to be near me if I did.
But I have had turkey stuffing made with them, and maybe it was the added broth, stock, and the juices from roasting inside the bird, but it didn't have the same effect.
It was also delicious. Once a year won't hurt anyone either.


Post# 886149 , Reply# 27   6/20/2016 at 16:33 (2,878 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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I love the White Castles but I think the best is Bates Berger's! I can't believe that old man bates is still alive he must be 99 now.

Post# 886171 , Reply# 28   6/20/2016 at 18:57 (2,878 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I'll have to look up Bates burgers.

You two are about 25 miles north of us.

Post# 886177 , Reply# 29   6/20/2016 at 19:30 (2,878 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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It's at like 9 mi and grand river. I haven't been there in a long time but I guy I work with lives close and stops for me time to time. I will look it up for you.

Post# 886178 , Reply# 30   6/20/2016 at 19:40 (2,878 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        

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There is one at 334506 5MI Rd Livonia MI and 22291 middle belt Rd Farmington hills MI.

Post# 886198 , Reply# 31   6/20/2016 at 21:10 (2,878 days old) by Kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        

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I've been to the one on Five Mile - great burgers and they are always busy!

Post# 886217 , Reply# 32   6/21/2016 at 05:22 (2,878 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        


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I just love them! the one that was in Novi was my favorite one. It was still the old steel little corner building rusting at the bottom. Right before they knocked it down I remember the holes about 8 inch's in diameter but was still always packed.     


Post# 886253 , Reply# 33   6/21/2016 at 09:15 (2,878 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Ok, thanks guy's!

I remember Lum's burger's, etc. restaurant on about 9 mile and Grand River.
My folks used to take us there for lunch on our monthly Sunday trips to Grand Rapids to visit my grand father. He lived in the veterans home there. I have his WW I purple heart, bronze star, and French trench battle medals. He got all messed up from mustard gas by the German's, but he saved his battalion from an ambush when he ran into oncoming firing to distract from them.
We do get over to the west side on occasion to the Cheesecake Factory. There is still a similar white metal burger joint at Maple and Woodward also.
Remember Top Hat?


Post# 886257 , Reply# 34   6/21/2016 at 09:38 (2,878 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI)        
Top hat

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Oh yes I remember it well! :) 



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