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Post# 910237   12/8/2016 at 20:48 (561 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Furnace tuned up?

Filter changed?

All cracks and gaps sealed in your abode?

Beginning the 2nd winter with the Goodman, as you can imagine ran it several times already. Tonight I think is going to be the coldest thus far, with more to come.

Changed the filter in November and ordered another one to be ready to go in March/April or so.

Post# 910239 , Reply# 1   12/8/2016 at 21:30 (561 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Hate the thought of it washman. I have 660 gals. of oil, boiler tuned up, full propane tank for backup, snowblower ready. So far nothing to mess with after 2 inches of snow so far that pretty much melted. But this is only a teasing as the next 3 months will not be nice, as it never is.

Post# 910241 , Reply# 2   12/8/2016 at 21:47 (561 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Do you heat with a boiler? Hot water heat? Radiators?

Post# 910242 , Reply# 3   12/8/2016 at 21:47 (561 days old) by Xraytech (S.W. Pennsylvania, near Pittsb)        

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I have 5 cords of wood in the cellar, a freezer full of meat, and the Bridgestone Blizzaks are being installed on Monday

Post# 910243 , Reply# 4   12/8/2016 at 22:17 (561 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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I have a New Yorker oil hot water boiler with baseboard units. In 22 years I average a little over 500 gallons of oil for a years worth of heat and hot water and I heat 2000 sq. ft. But if power goes out I still have propane heat backup. Cheaper to run oil at 1.69/gal. vs 3.99 gal. for propane. Cheap natural gas is 9 miles from me but I will never see it.

Post# 910244 , Reply# 5   12/8/2016 at 22:18 (561 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)        

Here in Illinois in my 1897 Queen Anne Victorian, no steam or hot water heat. I have forced air natural gas heat. I put new filters in the furnace last Sat. and the humidifier is running like a champ.
Now for hot air heat in 1897. There was a coal fired, by hand, octopus styled furnace made by the Red Oak furnace works. The pipes were in the center of the house instead of under the windows. Just gravity heat. This would have been one cold house in the winter! You would have frozen to death near the outside walls and roasted near the registers. The bathroom, which was the maid's room in 1897, is the farthest room from the furnace on the northeast corner of the upstairs. Needless to say, you surely don't spend much time in there unless you are taking a shower. It is always 8 degrees cooler in there. No cold air returns upstairs so heating and air conditioning is not the best. I keep the thermostat at 67 degrees. I have new windows in the entire house and insulation in the attic, which helps. Have fun staying warm. Gary

Post# 910247 , Reply# 6   12/8/2016 at 22:34 (561 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Gary, I grew up in a mid 1800's Queen Anne Victorian. It had 3 of those coal converted to oil octopuses to heat 4 apartments. Even though they had put a blower on each of them, it was still FREEZING in there all winter as a kid since nobody knew what insulation was then. We had a gas and kerosene stove so the kitchen was warm and thats it. Our house had a turrent on one side that never had snow on it as the heat went right thru it.

Post# 910250 , Reply# 7   12/8/2016 at 23:18 (561 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

Here in the northern tip of Washington state, we've  been below freezing for 3 days with a wind chill of 16-19 degrees.  I live in the Frazier River Valley and we're having an early winter.  Right now it's 28 degree's with a stiff 30 mph wind.  The wind hasn't stopped for 5 days.  It was 21 Tuesday morning at 6:30 a.m.   Snow is forecast for tomorrow with the temp getting to 33-35.  Wow!  We haven't been above freezing for 2 days.  But I know lots of you have it longer and harder.  Still, for the NW this is brutal!

Luckily, tight new home construction, cheap electricity and natural gas.  My last gas bill was under $30.00 for heat and hot water.  This is going to be a big step up!  Greg

Post# 910251 , Reply# 8   12/8/2016 at 23:26 (561 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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We lived in a house when I was very young that had a furnace (probably hot water boiler) that was coal converted to gas. I have a very vague, shadowy memory of it--big, with pipes coming out. And I have a vague memory of seeing inside it, and watching the flames. I'm betting that might well date to when it was serviced. Apparently I liked watching service people work.


My mother really liked the heating system, and hated it so much when we moved out of that house. From that day on, it was forced air systems, which she didn't feel were as comfortable.


Saddening thought, but I was curious about that one house, and did some on-line research once, using an address that should have been right. A lot info is now out there, including county public records, and one thing that turned up was a permit that suggested the heating system had been redone. I suppose it may have made sense for saving money...but those old furnaces are neat.


Before posting this, I did a little research on old furnaces... (Something I see on a forum like this may inspire me.) Interestingly, I saw one page talking about a historic home. The owner felt the furnace was important, and even though he changed the heating system, he set the legal paperwork so the original furnace will have to stay in place. Link is to a page discussing this old furnace, the view of it being important historically, and even a video showing it running:

Post# 910253 , Reply# 9   12/8/2016 at 23:40 (561 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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It's wintery in my part of WA,too. (I'm roughly Seattle area.) Snow tonight, which will change to rain. Tomorrow a high about 40. 


I am wondering if today there was a huge surge of business at the grocery store. Someone told me once that when snow hits, they see people coming for bread and toilet paper. (I am not making that up!) As she pointed out, she wondered...isn't toilet paper something we should all have a good supply of?


As for winter in general, I am hoping for a reasonably mild winter. The roads where I am are scary when they get icy, and I'm in a place that is all electric, and that adds fear of power failure. One year, we had a massive snow/wind storm, and we were without power for 24+ hours. Fortunately, I have a neighbor I can rely on. But it was so much nicer the winter I was in a better place that had a wood stove and plenty of wood. No worries about power failures (and, of course, that was the winter when there were no significant power failures!). Plus that stove helped on nights it just felt cold. And the main heating system was a heat pump, and when temperatures were too low for that heat pump to work happily, I switched over to using wood at night, which kept the place quite warm. A part me thinks I wouldn't mind heating with wood. I don't have the physical condition to go out chop it myself, but I can handle tossing wood into a stove. I'd rather see my heating dollar go to a local person, rather than a huge energy company whom everyone hates. 


Post# 910256 , Reply# 10   12/9/2016 at 00:04 (561 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        
Filter changed?

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The filter is in therapy. Hopefully, it will change...but it needs to want to change, first...

Post# 910258 , Reply# 11   12/9/2016 at 00:22 (561 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Let's see...winter in Minnesota.

Changed $150 furnace filter? Check.

Called my snow removal guy? Check.

Sub-zero wind chills and 3-6 inches of snow forecast for Saturday? Check.

Post# 910259 , Reply# 12   12/9/2016 at 00:24 (561 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        
Sub-zero wind chills and 3-6 inches of snow

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Well, according to one person who lived in MN, there was a joke that the winters at least kept the riff raff out!

Post# 910260 , Reply# 13   12/9/2016 at 00:51 (561 days old) by mieleforever (SOUTH AFRICA)        
meanwhile ...

Back in sunny South AFrica, we are having temperatures of about 32-34 degree celsius that translates to about 89.6 - 93.2 degree fahrenheit.

Really dry here and lots of fires.

Hope you guys stay warm as we will be heading to the beach and swimming pool.


Post# 910262 , Reply# 14   12/9/2016 at 01:12 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Yes, I'm ready. We had some frost for a few days, but it's warmer again now. I keep my heating at 69 degrees Fahrenheit during the day. Nice and comfy. The downstairs apartment is empty now for a while so the floor in the livingroom was darn cold. Since my blood circulation isn't too great I bought a few small heated mats. The smallest version use only 20 Watts, but they really make a difference. The bottom is a layer of insulation, which makes them more efficient. Finally warm feet!

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Post# 910328 , Reply# 15   12/9/2016 at 11:22 (561 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        
Eat your heart out...

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I'm ready. 75 degrees today. I keep both furnaces set to 75 degrees 24/7 and I still get cold. That's what happens when you get very very old.

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Post# 910344 , Reply# 16   12/9/2016 at 12:28 (561 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
I hate cold weather

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Joe, it is so nice of you to invite all of us for the winter.  ;-)


The only time I like snow is if it is on the weekend, or a day off and I don't have to be out in it.  It's nice to look out the window and say "Oh-it snowed"  then curl up with a book for the rest of the day.


Oh-just to be perfectly honest, I hate hot weather too.  I like warm weather, not too hot, not too cold.  A gentle breeze, rain on demand.



Post# 910427 , Reply# 17   12/10/2016 at 00:57 (560 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

I decided to get my car ready last Friday because I knew colder weather was forecasted. I topped off the washer fluid with the orange stuff, aired up the tires, checked the fluids, checked the lights etc. Little did I realize that we'd get 5" of snow that Sunday, so I was very happy I did that then. I also moved the planters off the driveway that day so I wouldn't hit anything with the snowblower.

I didn't really do much with the furnaces except clean the electronic air filter on the upstairs unit, the downstairs I set the humidistat and checked the pad and that was about it. I did pull the blower out so I could caulk an air leak that was causing a faint whistle though.

It's been pretty cold this past week now, and I think it hasn't gone above 30 for the last couple days now. Yesterday didn't reach above 21

Post# 910431 , Reply# 18   12/10/2016 at 02:57 (560 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Replaced filter in my Lennox HVAC unit-now running as a heat pump.Also run my Heat Smart and Aerus-Lux portable heaters.

Post# 910443 , Reply# 19   12/10/2016 at 07:18 (560 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
after the holidays

in zip code 85379.

Post# 910459 , Reply# 20   12/10/2016 at 09:33 (560 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

Getting the snowblower out today as we're forecasted to get "plowable accumulation" Sun/Mon. Other than that, it's just getting a few things out of the driveway so I don't run into them and topping off the woodpiles near the house with the big one on the other side of the driveway!

Furnace has it's tune-up coming Tuesday morning. Got a capped price of $1.799 on oil through May.

Stay warm!

Post# 910503 , Reply# 21   12/10/2016 at 14:19 (560 days old) by gredmondson (San Francisco, CALIFORNIA)        

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Winter here is, well, not like winter as I think it should be. (I have a good friend who contends that any day of the year in San Francisco could be a spring day in Pennsylvania).
Right now it is raining lightly and it is 59 F. This big Victorian I am in has forced air heat, but I turn off the vent in my room. I like it cool. And, I open the window when I go to sleep.

Post# 910533 , Reply# 22   12/10/2016 at 18:01 (559 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

I've had enough of winter!  This is the 7th day of below freezing temps, lots of wind and as of noon, 9" snow!  This is NOT normal for my part of Washington!  Nites at 23, days under 30.  All the while, I keep hearing coins going through the gas meter!  Fun for a while, but for how long?  I do have a gas fireplace, but it's in the wall and small BTU and with a long skinny house never reaches down the hall very far.  G

Post# 910732 , Reply# 23   12/12/2016 at 05:34 (558 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Got the filter changed in the furnace, refilled all the windshield washer tanks in the vehicles, have a Jimmy 4x4 and our Escalade is AWD so won't have any problem getting to or from work (never have), have gas range so can cook on top anyway, gas water heater so will have hot water, and a backup unvented gas heater just in case the power goes out due to ice on the tree limbs. Yep, I think we're all set.

Post# 910738 , Reply# 24   12/12/2016 at 07:21 (558 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
My driveway is

double wide, like my mind. Some folks are narrow minded, and don't reach too far.

Post# 910764 , Reply# 25   12/12/2016 at 11:27 (558 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

Not much winterizing needed in SoCal, but I did change the furnace air filter and changed out the (rechargeable) AA batteries in the thermostat. We had some 40 F/5 C mornings in late November/early December, so the furnace (a Lennox installed Setp 2015) has actually fired up maybe half a dozen times. Works great. Keeping exterior doors shut and having double glazed windows really helps minimize heating use. I keep winter thermostat at 61 F, which I know is cold for some but feels fine to me. I like laying (vests, sweaters, etc.)

In late July/August, the AC is used perhaps 30 days a year. I keep thermostat set at 80 F. I am fine at 80 inside with fans going. The real goal of the AC is to keep my salt water aquarium from over heating above 80 F, as dissolved oxygen drops with rising water temperature.

I use Nordic Pure filters, MERV 12 value, obtained from Amazon. About $6-8 each, and I change them about every two months during heating or AC season. In my climate, AC season is late July to early September. By September, nights get rather cool, so if one opens the windows at night and closes them early in the morning, quite often AC use can be avoided. Heating season is late November to early March. So I change the filter three or four times a year.

Post# 910805 , Reply# 26   12/12/2016 at 17:29 (558 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Was chilly Thu & Fri. Warmed Sat, to low 70Fs today & tomorrow. A few Fs drop, then warming again to Sat predicted 78F. Cooling Sat & Sun. Then ... whatever.



Post# 910818 , Reply# 27   12/12/2016 at 18:20 (557 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Trade with you Glenn. Spent 3 hours cleaning up nearly 7 inches of basically heavy wet cement with a sheet of ice at the bottom. Now its way into the sub zero readings for the rest of the week and then another bout of warmer temps with heavy wet snow. I HATE winter already. Its like my boiler keeps cycling on way too much to keep the house livable.

Post# 910830 , Reply# 28   12/12/2016 at 19:47 (557 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

Thursday is supposed to be a high of 3 above. We jumped into this whole winter thing kinda fast if you ask me. It snowed about 6" yesterday. It's nice and cozy in here. We're gonna have a higher then normal gas bill for December.

Post# 910837 , Reply# 29   12/12/2016 at 20:27 (557 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
the goodman will get a workout

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low temps wed and thus in single digits.

Ah love this cold weather.............not.

Post# 910857 , Reply# 30   12/12/2016 at 21:46 (557 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Got my Christ and back waxed for a nice tan.

Post# 910858 , Reply# 31   12/12/2016 at 21:47 (557 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Chest not Christ

Post# 910877 , Reply# 32   12/12/2016 at 23:48 (557 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

Here in my little slice of WA state it's 27 degrees out, 20 mile wind and overnight 19!  It's suppose to stay this way for another week!  10" of snow on the ground now frozen over and it was fun driving today.  Heavy snow forecast, too!  I'm not looking forward to this next month's gas bill!  Still snug inside, cat won't go out unless thrown out!  Lots of good food, libation is never far away and the tunes play all day! Greg

Post# 910881 , Reply# 33   12/13/2016 at 02:06 (557 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Greg--hope a warming trend hits your slice of WA soon!


Cold spells that keep snow and ice frozen are not fun. I've lived through an extended period of that in 2008. It was a nightmare, because I was basically "snowed" or "iced"in for what seemed like forever. I imagine main roads were plowed and clean...but it was impossible getting to those roads unless one a SUV.


At least you have lots of good food, libation available, and tunes! 

Post# 910885 , Reply# 34   12/13/2016 at 03:15 (557 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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This, our rainy season. In the past three weeks.we've had four sunny days. Last Summer was no different. Flash flooding, dumb buts who were stupid enough to get in the water and round and or slip into the falls. Me? I go biking keeping my weatherised backpack supplied. I go to Coconut Island to watch and play around in the rain. Today, I played with the Kantmore adding water to make it habit more dramatic. I'm still not impressed at all.

Post# 910972 , Reply# 35   12/13/2016 at 14:15 (557 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Snowing lightly here today; ground is about covered. Starting to look like Christmas.

The predicted high for Thurs. is only 17F!

Post# 911024 , Reply# 36   12/13/2016 at 19:59 (556 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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The forecasted high for Thurs. is -19 C (-2 F) with an overnight low of -24 C (-11 F).

Post# 911088 , Reply# 37   12/14/2016 at 07:38 (556 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
It is Nine farenheit

here right now.
It's having an effect on my aura. My evil twin has been about again this morning.
Merry Christmas Gary! Try and keep warm!

Post# 911104 , Reply# 38   12/14/2016 at 10:21 (556 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Innovative snow removal

using a Hoverboard

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Post# 911144 , Reply# 39   12/14/2016 at 14:55 (556 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
wind chill advisory here

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for the next day and a half.

Post# 911152 , Reply# 40   12/14/2016 at 15:46 (556 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Wind chill warning here starting tonight thru Friday will feel like temps of -35. Snow Saturday turning to freezing rain then plain rain Sunday and then back to cold. This roller coaster of up/down temps is already getting very old and 3+ more months of this crap.

Post# 911154 , Reply# 41   12/14/2016 at 16:26 (556 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
The polar vortex:

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Has planted it's ass over Minnesota and will be here all week Sunday's high is forecast at -5.  Friday into Saturday major snow.  YUCK!  The Bryant forced air gas furnace is working very nicely as is the MN made Heat-N-Glo gas fireplace. 

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Post# 911158 , Reply# 42   12/14/2016 at 17:14 (556 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

Currently 13 with a low of -1 tonight. Was forecasted to be -5 tonight back a few days ago. Now Sunday is forecasted to be -16 low with a high of 1. Was 2 last night, at that point the downstairs Trane was running continuously in first stage set to 70. The upstairs furnace cycled on only about two hours after it setting back to 67 for the night which only happens when it's that cold.

Post# 911179 , Reply# 43   12/14/2016 at 20:27 (555 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Thanks Mike. Merry Christmas to you and all AW as well.

It snowed here last night up until the early afternoon. At times I couldn't see very far out the window. Combined with the snow we had earlier this week there was about 8-10 inches on the driveway so I had to fire up the Honda snow blower for the first time this season. The forecast high for tomorrow is still -18C (0F).


Post# 911184 , Reply# 44   12/14/2016 at 20:53 (555 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I LOVE Winter

Anything above about 60 I hate, it was a terrible summer this year so I'm ready for the cold, the Bard oil furnace is humming away, burned 270 gallons of oil last winter and will probably fill up about January.

Post# 911196 , Reply# 45   12/15/2016 at 01:02 (555 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

Now it looks like they've canceled school for Thursday. The high is 9! Not -9! And it's sunny not snowy or icy. I'm waiting for the day when highs in the upper teens cancels school.

Post# 911202 , Reply# 46   12/15/2016 at 06:11 (555 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
about all schools

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are on 2 hour delay.

9 degrees as I type this, winds are blowing and somewhat gusty.

Post# 911241 , Reply# 47   12/15/2016 at 11:50 (555 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

Here in tiny Sumas, Wa we woke up to 16 degrees!  Today makes 11 days of this weather.  Oh my gas bill!

Post# 911277 , Reply# 48   12/15/2016 at 17:07 (555 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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winter storm watch out if the brutal cold isn't bad enough.

Post# 911278 , Reply# 49   12/15/2016 at 17:21 (555 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

The high was 10 today. It was sunny, it really wasn't bad. Closing schools was unnecessary. It was -1 at 6:30 AM. They could've just delayed school. I'm waiting for them to declare a state of emergency for the low of -14 coming on Sunday... 


We had weeks where the high was no higher than 10 degrees Winter of 2014 and nobody thought anything of it. It was cold. End of story. 

Post# 911333 , Reply# 50   12/16/2016 at 06:39 (554 days old) by retro-man (nashua,nh)        

It's 4 degrees here this morning at the beach and the wind is howling. It doesn't seem as bad as yesterday afternoon and last night. The hanging light in the dining room was moving back and forth. The windows were really flexing in and out. About 4 in the afternoon heard a crack. Thought it was just the building moving about. Looked out one of the windows in the living room and it was cracked on the inside from top to bottom. Must have been more movement than it could handle. Need to get a glass company in next week to replace that window and some of the others in the unit. They have lost their vacuum and have fogged up a bit. Going to go with no gas windows, just an air pocket between the 2 panes. I have been told that they hold up better and don't fog over if they loose their seal.


Post# 911338 , Reply# 51   12/16/2016 at 07:14 (554 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Not much

we can do about it. We knew winter was coming. Early cabin fever. Hunker down and pay that high heating bill.
My house is fairly well insulated. I let a neighbors dog out this morning (they are on a cruise), and the cold draft was coming right through their foyer light switch.
Even if you don't have pets who stay home when you go out of town, you have to still set the heat at about 65 f. so the basement plumbing doesn't freeze. If the cold wind gets to any pipes, they can bust. It won't be warmer than 60 in the basement.

Post# 911345 , Reply# 52   12/16/2016 at 08:03 (554 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
ugh more crap

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Post# 911500 , Reply# 53   12/17/2016 at 11:11 (553 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
not quite ready...

...But surviving comfortably :) -13* this morning,but no wind-so quite pleasant out actually :) Cat heat pads plugged in,and getting some inside work done.November was really nice around here-was out wearing shorts and doing outdoor stuff every weekend through the whole month.Did not finish my forced air heat installation,so 1951 floor furnace getting the job done along with Mr Slim unit that can be kicked on.Have been busy with furnace blower and circulation pump repair lately though-including some emergency temporary fixes until new parts come in :)

Post# 911503 , Reply# 54   12/17/2016 at 11:36 (553 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Yup, we're ready

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We don't have a snow free month at this altitude, so we're always 'ready'.

We keep parts for the furnace (flame sensor) which are easy to swap out and cost a fortune to have done in an emergency.

Wood cut and chopped by the kitchen door.

Inverter and battery ready to power the blowers in the fireplace should the power go out.(I really should make up a name for that, getting tired of people thinking it's an open hearth not a high-tech sealed combustion chamber unit with 70% + efficiency).

Water lines long since insulated and all rerouted to the core of the house that could be.

Post# 911509 , Reply# 55   12/17/2016 at 12:58 (553 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Predicted high of 79F today with strong winds (gale watch and low water advisory at the coast), then dropping to 34F by 8 am Sun and 31F Mon morn.

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Post# 911510 , Reply# 56   12/17/2016 at 13:15 (553 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        

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79 degrees one day and 31 the next! Even Pyrex would crack. No more comments from me about the current nice desert weather. Give me 6 months and  I'll find plenty to complain about when the temperature hits 120. All you people that are having to endure freezing weather and storms and the accompanying heating bills deserve a badge of courage. Having lived my entire life in California I have never been in zero-degree weather, including having been in Colorado in the winter and many trips to the snow in the Sierras. I used to help defrost my parent's Amana chest freezer...does that count?



Post# 911522 , Reply# 57   12/17/2016 at 14:36 (553 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I hate winter...

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Post# 911524 , Reply# 58   12/17/2016 at 15:13 (553 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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That will be me tomorrow, Phil. Snowed here all day and Weather Channel just said its going to turn to freezing rain later tonight and then all rain and in the 40's tomorrow and back to lower single digits tomorrow night.

Post# 911525 , Reply# 59   12/17/2016 at 15:35 (553 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        
Everyone ready for Winter?

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If I say no, will it just go away??

I shouldn't complain, this year we had green grass into the first week of December. Fall was unreasonably warm and long lasting.

We just had our 2nd significant snow event of the year. I got the snow tires on the car last Sunday after having to drive it once in snow with the Summer wheels. Drove home last night in heavy snow before the plows had really been out in force. This is my second winter with real winter tires, I feel bad for those that think All-Season tires are adequate in MN winters I feel worse for those that think that 4 wheel drive makes up for crappy tires.... Those folks are nothing but a hazard to themselves and others.

Snow thrower started first pull. Just amazing how little work is required to keep intermittent use engines running, once you learn to NEVER buy gas with alcohol in it. I think these two snows have been the biggest single tests on the machine since I got it.

Tomorrow will have the lowest temperatures we have seen here for 3 years, predicted lows of more then -22F (air temp). Been years since we have seen 20 below here. The changing climate has sure altered our weather in MN.

So no, I'm really not ready.

Post# 911531 , Reply# 60   12/17/2016 at 16:19 (553 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Texass Drivers in Pick'ubp tr'ks

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Are the bane of our streets. They are too arrogant to learn how to drive in Winter, they don't turn their lights on (I kin C jus' fine, not mah proplum), and actually believe that vehicle stability control, 4-wheel drive and abs will bail them out.

Military base here and all the 'strats from Texass just refuse to learn.

Mother Nature, red of tooth and claw just loves lernin' them all about the laws of Nature. Unfortunately, there's too much collateral damage. If they just killed themselves, it would be a net gain. Sadly, they usually hurt other people in the process of skidding out of control and wrecking.

All-Season tires? How cute. The 'all seasons' they refer to would be those of LA or Tampa Bay, right?

Post# 911536 , Reply# 61   12/17/2016 at 17:47 (553 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
I am a firm believer in winter tyres

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in fact, have run them on every vehicle save for the Dakota since I moved up here.

I've run non union Cooper Weathermasters, Mastercraft Glacier Grip and this year, I went with a General Alitmax Arctic, union made in Korbach Germany (owned by Continental)

Whilst the tread design on the General tyres don't look like the traditional design we're used to seeing, they do in fact provide very good traction in the snow and on slush, I can at least turn with wheel left/right without any adventure


Post# 911569 , Reply# 62   12/17/2016 at 22:54 (552 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Weather blew in. Temp dropped to 44F within a few mins, continue dropping through the night.

Post# 911577 , Reply# 63   12/17/2016 at 23:49 (552 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

I'm in my new apartment 5 floors higher than the one I left. It's much windier. I don't notice a difference with the new windows as most of the leakage is from around the outside of the frames, lol.

The Cube is ready for winter. I have the -30F stuff in the washer reservoir and the snow chains in the back. My car is garaged so if I need the chains I can put them on without being exposed to the weather. I'm stuck with all-season tires as I've no place to store a second set:-(

Drivers: I used to try to explain to people that no technology actually GIVES you more traction; the tech just lets you use more of what's there. The laws of physics can't be overcome. If the road is slippery enough, you'll continue straight ahead when the road curves. Tech doesn't come into play. However, I now keep my mouth shut because one too many people told me that these facts are my feelings and opinions.

Post# 911581 , Reply# 64   12/18/2016 at 00:11 (552 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        

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I hear you. Friends back home in Munich used to say to me, Es gibt kein schlectes Wetter, nur schlecht bekleidete Menschen. That is, there's no such thing as bad weather, just poorly dressed people.

That saying died right quick the day a few came to see us here in the Rocky Mountain West and it was -27 F at the airport - and we live 3000 feet higher. Was -32F at our house. Yee-haw. Nobody wanted to go for a walk....

You can't teach things to people who refuse to learn. Mother Nature, red of tooth and claw, just loves to explain her Natural Laws to them. In gruesome detail and with great thoroughness. I imagine she's got some fun lessons up her sleeves for the climate deniers.

Post# 911611 , Reply# 65   12/18/2016 at 08:46 (552 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Here's one to beat. This is actual air temp; not the wind chill (which is currently -36). I have company this morning and turned the heat up to 70 luxurious degrees.

Post# 911666 , Reply# 66   12/18/2016 at 15:19 (552 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Theres a Lady on Stage)        
What "Winter"?

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Temps reached near 60f today in NYC. What little snow that feel yesterday is gone.

Post# 911667 , Reply# 67   12/18/2016 at 15:28 (552 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        
When will it be over?

Still below freezing and snowing heavily here in my little area of Washington.!  2 full weeks and counting!  Supposedly it's going to be in the 40's and raining on Tuesday.  I can't wait.  I also can't wait for my furnace to stop running.  I paid last months bill this a.m.--$44.00.  This next one will be at least double!  Budget?  What budget!!

Post# 911670 , Reply# 68   12/18/2016 at 16:00 (552 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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After 6+" of snow thru last night, freezing rain turned to heavy rain most of today. It would have been useless to try the snowblower as it would constantly clog. Shoveled by hand for 2 hours of basically cement. Temps are falling rapidly and anything not melted away will be glare ice tomorrow. My back is sore now and I am not going anywhere.

Post# 911686 , Reply# 69   12/18/2016 at 18:18 (551 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

The night is still young here. Supposed to be -14.

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Post# 911747 , Reply# 70   12/19/2016 at 01:55 (551 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Was 70 degrees yesterday-raining and cooling down.Supposed to be freezing rain tonight.We have a funky situation at work-one of our 4160V-208/120V transformers failed last night and so some of the site functions are on small generators.Not much fun gassing those in the night during the rain!Showed our new Powell MV breakers really do work!!

Post# 911748 , Reply# 71   12/19/2016 at 01:56 (551 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Another thought-WOW if its -26 outside and you have 70 inside-better get out your blindfold when your utility bills come next month!

Post# 911763 , Reply# 72   12/19/2016 at 05:26 (551 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        
Schlechte Bekleidete Leute...

I grew up in a small town 15 miles NW of Plymouth, the heart of Cranberry country. So of course every out-of-town visitor wanted to see Plymouth. In the spring and fall we'd always advise to wear a T-shirt and to wear/bring a sweater and a windbreaker to wear over that. Most didn't listen and were shocked to find that between the two towns there could be a 15F temperature (+wind chill) differential (either way) and sunshine in one place and rain in the other.

My personal favorite was the localized snow squalls in Plymouth in March and November while it was warm & sunny at home. People learned the hard way that the 'bay effect' is not imaginary, lol.

Post# 911767 , Reply# 73   12/19/2016 at 06:19 (551 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
26 degrees F.

would feel like a heat wave this morning in Chicago, etc. The wind chill makes it feel even colder than minus -12 f.

Post# 911771 , Reply# 74   12/19/2016 at 06:40 (551 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        

the heating bills in the rockies, plains, mid west and northeast will be astronomical. In the hundreds of dollars for one month.
Unless one has a pellet or supplemental wood stove.
I have a wood fireplace (not an insert) with a high efficiency gas log set in it. Either way it makes the hearth room and kitchen nice and toasty.

Post# 912340 , Reply# 75   12/23/2016 at 16:26 (547 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Current temp: 73F.

Predicted temp for Christmas Day: 77F+.

Post# 912346 , Reply# 76   12/23/2016 at 18:01 (546 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

Our gas bill was $180 for the cycle ending December 16th. 3 weeks of that cycle was winter temperatures. Gas was 30 cents a therm, dirt cheap. I'm happily enjoying keeping the thermostats at a comfortable temperature round the clock all winter long while its that cheap.

Post# 912362 , Reply# 77   12/23/2016 at 22:54 (546 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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It seems that we are going into the same pattern here we had 2 years ago with every other day storms and up and down temps. I hope not. Last winter was a blessing and hope it comes back like that this year. Not freezing, and have to clean snow up before another storm. Its already getting very old.

Post# 912420 , Reply# 78   12/24/2016 at 10:59 (546 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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11 AM, 76F. Air conditioning at 74F has been cycling lethargically for past couple days.

Post# 912428 , Reply# 79   12/24/2016 at 11:50 (546 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Brief warmup to be followed by colder air. Only snow we have is what has not been washed away by rain.

At least the union made Goodman furnace gets a respite of sorts. :)

Post# 912786 , Reply# 80   12/27/2016 at 19:07 (542 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Went to my sister's near Toledo for Christmas. No snow here, but started seeing a little on the ground near West Liberty, OH. Somewhat more after I got up around Kenton, and ground was totally covered at my sister's. This was Fri. PM. It got much warmer Mon. morning, and it all melted. It got up to around 70 in Cincinnati yesterday, but only low 40's today.

Post# 912788 , Reply# 81   12/27/2016 at 19:36 (542 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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81F yesterday, ~84F today, same-ish tomorrow. Weak norther Thu/Fri, then 70Fs for a few days until the next. Some area peeps hitting their (heated) pools.

Post# 912879 , Reply# 82   12/28/2016 at 15:11 (542 days old) by TheSpiritOf76 (wichita kansas, Historic Midtowne.)        
Here in Wichita......

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In my historic 1903 Craftsman home, I have Big Bertha. Big Bertha, is my antique boiler, and with her I have good old cast iron radiators. She was originally a coal burning system (she is still in the coal room of my basement, with the cast iron coal shoot door), then she was converted to gas at some point in time. I have been in this house 6 months on the 10th of December, and being one that has always has forced air systems, I didn't know what to expect. But I have been pleasantly surprised! She keeps my house nice and toasty, and it is a nice soft, even heat, that doesn't blast me like forced air. So over all I am very pleased, the only thing is I have yet to master her temperature. It seems that she heats about 5 degrees higher than I set the thermostat at, but I guess that is just part of the relationship we have to build.

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Post# 912883 , Reply# 83   12/28/2016 at 16:17 (542 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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These thermostats are adjustable. I have never tried to use that one but it has adjustment screws inside.

This one has a tag that says "old store, still good" and "replaced on December 11th 1963"!

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Post# 912884 , Reply# 84   12/28/2016 at 16:19 (542 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I like Big Bertha! Wish I could see more of her (the insulation jacket--while practical--hides most of her. But then I suppose she might be modest.)


As I mentioned above, we had some sort of radiator system in one house, and my mother talked about how comfortable that house was until the end of her life. My mother did not like cold in the least, so she was a bit of a connoisseur of heating systems. (Although she was practically minded. She wouldn't have sat, glued to a computer monitor, watching, say, videos of old furnaces. That's what her crazy son might do, naming no names...)


As for the temperature rise of 5 degrees above the thermostat setting--it seems like a bit of playing should get the temperature where you want it. One aspect: when the boiler isn't running, there is probably a lot of residual heat in the system that will continue heating the house. Point #2: the thermostat may have calibration issues. I have a far newer thermostat, and it's 5 degrees off. You can probably learn to adjust. (Unless the thermostat becomes a problem, I wouldn't replace. A digital thermostat would seem just plain wrong in that house!)


By the way, is the house a true "Craftsman" (Gustav Stickley) or just from that era? My mother absolutely loved Stickley design...if she'd had the money, she'd have had one of his houses, fully furnished with his furniture.

Post# 912892 , Reply# 85   12/28/2016 at 16:59 (542 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

You may not wanna hear this if you're into the aesthetic of the thermostat but I would replace it with a Honeywell focus Pro 5000 to be honest, I have some vintage thermostats in my collection including that particular Honeywell and I don't think they were ever that accurate to begin with, add 60+ years and it's pretty inaccurate and resulting in what you see. You will probably have higher gas bills as a result of that too. I would put the thermostat on display somewhere and just use a much more accurate one like the one I mentioned.

Post# 912906 , Reply# 86   12/28/2016 at 18:15 (541 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I would put the thermostat on display somewhere and just use a much more accurate one like the one I mentioned. 


A fairly reasonable, practical approach. I have to admit--I hate digital thermostats, but this might be a practical move.


One option occurs to me. I think I've heard the suggestion of having an old fashioned mechanical thermostat wired in parallel in case the digital thermostat malfunctions (such as a battery dying when its freezing out, and one is out of town for the weekend). If that would work for this system, the old thermostat could stay on display, set to some sort of minimum temperature to provide "fail safe" backup, while the digital thermostat does the day to day work.

Post# 912907 , Reply# 87   12/28/2016 at 18:22 (541 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Jae DeVine

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Digging the boiler. There are many holder homes up here in my neck of the woods with boiler heat.


FWIW, I grew up on forced air gas. Except for the 15 or so years we heated with wood.


I'm partial to it due to fact temp changes can happen quickly and I guess I am used to it.


But to those who have boilers, I've yet to hear a negative about them

Post# 912913 , Reply# 88   12/28/2016 at 19:36 (541 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I also have a small collection of vintage thermostats but none in use!

I already had to deal with the replacement of other parts of the old heating system in the house I haven't moved in yet and I'd like if I could afford replacing the boiler with a more efficient one. I'll have to deal with other stuff first.

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Post# 912923 , Reply# 89   12/28/2016 at 20:15 (541 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Our boiler is original to the house 1958 and still working perfectly.  As for efficiency I dunno. All I do know is that we keep our house at around 73 and our gas bill is less than many neighbors with forced air gas who keep their t-stats set lower.  It also keep our basement toasty warm from all the residual  heat. Not very much maintenance is required, once a year, sometimes two years, all I've had to do is go around with a small wrench and bleed some air out of a few baseboards.  I'd be wary of buying a new boiler,, we had one in the small aprtment building we had for a few years.. it had a few issues with the electronics.  

Post# 912929 , Reply# 90   12/28/2016 at 20:28 (541 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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My trusty 22 year old New Yorker oil boiler heats 2000 sq. ft. plus hot water on an average of 500 gals. a year. Cheap this year to fill my oil tanks, but other past winters have hurt.

Post# 912954 , Reply# 91   12/28/2016 at 23:23 (541 days old) by gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Au)        
Winter? it's summer!

It's Summer down here on the south of the planet.

Foggy this morning but currently 30 degrees C (86 F) and bright sunshine at 4.20 pm.

We had a HOT christmas day - 36 degrees C (97 F) so appreciating the cooler weather. Tomato and zucchini plants enjoying the heat.


Post# 912956 , Reply# 92   12/29/2016 at 00:57 (541 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

Yes an old mechanical thermostat in parallel with the digital one, or I think they even sell fixed temp thermostats just for that purpose (AKA a construction thermostat, those come preset at like 40, 45, and 50 degrees). Or one could use a spare wire and hook up the common on the thermostat and be using low voltage from the transformer instead of batteries, couple that with something reliable like a contractor grade Honeywell (not that Honeywell junk from the Homo Depot) and you won't have any issues. I've got several Honeywell digital thermostats over 10 years old and not skipping a beat. Higher end models like their Prestige includes a couple of temp sensors that go in the return and supply plenum that allows some features of the thermostat to be utilized, but also acts as a failsafe if the thermostat itself were to fail somehow. 

Post# 912973 , Reply# 93   12/29/2016 at 07:53 (541 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I think we are starting a new trend for Christmas in TN.  Last year and this one too we had the AC on for Christmas day!  Then the next day storms came through and the heat kicked on!  I wish I had a house with hydronic heating in the floors...I hate cold floors.  My 16 year old Amana (Goodman) gas package still going strong, knock wood.

Post# 912984 , Reply# 94   12/29/2016 at 09:18 (541 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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If you can't have underfloort heating, you could consider a Cozy Toes heated carpet.

Post# 912986 , Reply# 95   12/29/2016 at 09:44 (541 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Also consider this

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heated mattress pad not cheap but very effective ifyou are cold blooded like me


Post# 912992 , Reply# 96   12/29/2016 at 10:56 (541 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes, if have to sleep alone,

or cuddle to heat up the bed. :) .!. x2 or .!. plus () or whatever floats ones boat.

Post# 913084 , Reply# 97   12/30/2016 at 00:33 (540 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

WarmUp, WarmBoard, WarmlyYours are all retrofit electric floor heating systems. They can be installed under your present first floor flooring if you can access the underside from the basement.

However, Vacerator really has the right idea, IMO. Three is the ideal number IF you're in the middle. Puppy piles are fun, but work better for naps, I think. I'm not sure. I'm still experimenting:-)


Post# 913086 , Reply# 98   12/30/2016 at 00:54 (540 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        


The "waste" heat from your old boiler not only keeps your basement warm, it also warms the floor of the first floor. Most people are comfortable at a slightly lower temps if the floors are warm than they would if the floors aren't. A new boiler will give you colder floors, a cooler basement, and minor drafts will abruptly seem not so minor. Been there, done that.

This happens to a lesser, but still noticeable extent with forced warm air. Ideally, the furnace will be in the basement with ducts running along the ceiling of the basement to the registers at the perimeter of the house. Heat "lost" from uninsulated ducts actually serves to warm the floor above. This reduces the feeling of chill alternating with blasts of heat that so many people associate with forced warm air heating.

Post# 913087 , Reply# 99   12/30/2016 at 01:44 (540 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I've even heard of people specifically heating their basement (past waste heat from the heating system) with at least a partial goal of keeping the 1st floor warmer.


I was in a house last weekend that uses radiator system built into floors. One day is hard to judge such a system...but I can say I was quite comfortable there. I NEVER drink anything with ice in it during winter because it's too cold, and yet had at least a couple of drinks with ice there, and thought nothing of it.

Post# 913111 , Reply# 100   12/30/2016 at 08:20 (540 days old) by TheSpiritOf76 (wichita kansas, Historic Midtowne.)        
To Lord Kenmore...=)

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I like Big Bertha too! Of coarse she is modest, she is was a Victorian virtue=)...

I am going to keep the vintage Honeywell thermostat. I don't trust anything new, and that has served its propose for twice of my life time. Nothing appears to be worn or broken, and the wires are not crumbling or deteriorating. So I see no point in using a new fangled, digital piece of

And to answer Lord Kenmore's question about my house, It is just a craftsman style home. But it is a prestigious home, was built for the original Wichita City Commissioner Mr,Garrison Scott. It is pretty much a time capsule of a house, with all its original wood work, and doors, and lead glass, and door knobs, and hard wood still intact. I will post a few pics to let you get a idea. Enjoy.

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Post# 913140 , Reply# 101   12/30/2016 at 11:11 (540 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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That's the kind of place I like!

Post# 913162 , Reply# 102   12/30/2016 at 14:44 (540 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        

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You can sure tell that house is not in my neighborhood...there isn't another home three feet away. That's real luxury.


Post# 913164 , Reply# 103   12/30/2016 at 15:01 (540 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Stunning house! Thanks for sharing the photos!


I like houses with interior woodwork like that. That house had the radiator system I've mentioned before in this thread apparently had good woodwork. I don't known when that house was built--much later than 1903; I'm thinking about 1920. I've wondered if I like houses from that era because I remember that one house on a deep level, and it was fairly good time in my family's history.


Post# 913172 , Reply# 104   12/30/2016 at 15:30 (540 days old) by TheSpiritOf76 (wichita kansas, Historic Midtowne.)        
Lord Kenmore,

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All the City records show a build date of 1903, even the original permit for build. Trust me I went through yards of Microfilm at the Liabry to find it! LOL...The Permit was taken in 1903, my Mr Scott for $5000.00.

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Post# 913179 , Reply# 105   12/30/2016 at 15:44 (540 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Old thermostats do go off-kilter, become inaccurate. A store/office where I worked from 1999 to 2007 had (probably still does) a Carrier HVAC system that surely dated to the 1960s if not earlier. The thermostat was wonky with a wide, uncomfortable temperature swing. Had to be set cooler than necessary in summer so the room temp didn't swing too high before it cycled back on, and vice-versa for heating.

Post# 913183 , Reply# 106   12/30/2016 at 15:52 (540 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        
My aching back

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After winter storm whatever finally ended today, I had to shovel my entire 150 ft. driveway by hand. Snowblowers will not budge that heavy wet cement. And naturally, we lost power for 10 hours. Thankfully, in about 3 months, this crap will be over. I hate winter, I am too old for it now.

Post# 913190 , Reply# 107   12/30/2016 at 17:27 (540 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

I wouldn't go so far as to call a digital thermostat a piece of garbage. I've seen many Honeywell digital models that are close to 30 years old and still working. Any consumer grade one is garbage, I agree, but Honeywell pro grade stuff, and Emerson to a slightly less extent is pretty good quality equipment. Perhaps as a compromise if you would like something far more accurate, you could pick up a NOS Honeywell T87F on eBay, preferably the gold colored one made before 2000 or so. Those and the T874 were the most accurate mechanical thermostat ever made. They work extremely well with hot water and steam heating systems with some tweaking of the heat anticipator to dial the cycle rate in just right.

John - Our first floor system with uninsulated sheet metal ductwork does a pretty good job at providing impromptu radiant floor heating, and I could care less that the joints are not air tight as that also keeps the basement conditioned summer and winter.

Post# 913200 , Reply# 108   12/30/2016 at 18:46 (539 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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I'm pretty happy with the performance of the Aprilaire 8400 series that was installed when I bought the home. True, I had to adjust the temp swing to "tighten" it up a bit, but it has been reliable and accurate.

At some point, I will replace it with another Aprilaire programmable unit.

Post# 913211 , Reply# 109   12/30/2016 at 20:45 (539 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Clarification--my post above wasn't crafted too well (sorry!). I was in a hurry to get out to do some errands. The house I referred to being later than 1903 was one my family had (ca. 1920), not yours. 


It's neat that you've been able to get historical information...even if meant tiresome hours of going through microfilm!



Post# 913272 , Reply# 110   12/31/2016 at 07:35 (539 days old) by retro-man (nashua,nh)        
Too Big a Swing

I have lived in a few houses with steam heat. A swing of 5 to 6 degrees is normal for this type of system. When thermostat calls for heat and furnace starts its sometimes 10-15 minutes before the system is charged and producing heat in all rooms. When the thermostat is satisfied and the system shuts down there is still plenty of steam and heat in the boiled to keep the radiators producing more heat. It does not just stop just because the furnace has stopped. Plus the radiators themselves are heated up and continue for awhile till the pressure and heat in the boiler have lowered. What I have found was that the higher the temp was set in the house, the less amount of swing there was. The colder the weather outside I found to have less swing also. These type of systems are a different beast that what is found in newer homes of today. When these were installed some houses had no insulation and window curtains would move around from all the air infiltration. Oil and coal was cheap so you just cranked up the thermostat to compensate. My opinion is that a digital thermostat is not going to make any difference in the performance of this unit.


Post# 913420 , Reply# 111   1/1/2017 at 03:33 (538 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

The advantage of good digital thermostats is that they can learn. They'll have the weird swing for a couple of days or so, but if everything is set up correctly (type of heating plant, fuel, etc), after a very short period it becomes dead accurate, because the thermostat learns how long your home takes to heat from a certain temperature to hit the target.

Once it knows that, it will turn on just a tad bit before it's needed and run for exactly the right amount of time to bring it up to temp and turn off even if the temp has not been reached yet, because it knows how much heat the boiler/furnace will continue to add to the space.

I once installed one (Honeywell Magicstat, if I remember right) in a 60-ish year old home with very little insulation and an oil furnace that used 1 gallon of oil per hour. The first month it used 300 gallons of oil. I installed the magicstat, and 3 days later instead of the nearly 10 degree swing the house stayed at a constant 70F and used about 250 gallons/month for the rest of the several winters I've spent there.

Maybe it doesn't fit everyone's style or needs, but our household was very happy with the comfort and economy -- then again, that was back when oil cost a dollar per gallon or less. We moved out 6 months before the price of oil doubled, the new tenants were not happy. They also lowered the thermostat to around 50 degrees, but the walls were so badly insulated that the pipes burst all over the home. Apparently the landlord had to gut and insulate everything.

-- Paulo.

Post# 913429 , Reply# 112   1/1/2017 at 05:21 (538 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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I have a Honeywell Chronotherm Touch, I rececntly replaced my Chronotherm lll with it. I love it, it's very accurate.

Post# 913446 , Reply# 113   1/1/2017 at 08:26 (538 days old) by imperial70 (******)        
Did I just get screwed?

I have this Trane Gas Force air system that was installed 13 years ago. I had maintenance done on Friday. The tech shows me the ignitor from the system and says it may crack and become useless. He said it would be $75. He also said the condensate pump is not working well and that was $125. He discounted the prices and the total was $180. I said yes. At first I was skeptical. I said yes even though I think I was taken for a ride. Anyone feel the same?

Post# 913450 , Reply# 114   1/1/2017 at 09:13 (538 days old) by retro-man (nashua,nh)        
Digital thermostats

Paulo: Thanks for the info on the newer digital thermostats. I did not know that they have incorporated a learning curve. Nice feature that can be useful on older steam heat. I guess in this day of technology someone is thinking and creating units that can function well with older systems and make them more energy efficient and controlled.


Post# 913456 , Reply# 115   1/1/2017 at 09:50 (538 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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My old Chronotherm III needed a long learning curve for how long the house would need to get warm. I caught it a few times heating the house in te middle of the night. The new Chronotherm Touch just took a few days. It's very convenient to just program at what time you want the house to be warm and the thermostat heating the house in time.

Post# 913594 , Reply# 116   1/2/2017 at 08:51 (537 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
cozy toes

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Louis, thanks for that link. I've been considering one of those. I sleep on a cozy waterbed so I have automatic climate control while I dream.

Post# 913713 , Reply# 117   1/2/2017 at 22:45 (536 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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I have lived in this state for nearly 63 years and the winters are getting more stranger. 4 storms in the last 2 weeks that dumped heavy wet cement, not nice fluffy, easy to snowblow snow you have to shovel by hand. Instead it will be turning frigid to glare ice, when power goes out again, then shovel if you can, sand, rinse and repeat again tomorrow for the next one. Getting VERY old and 3 more months of this crap at least to go. Who knows if global warming has anything to do with it. All I know, I have never seen winters extreme swings like the past 2 years.

Post# 913715 , Reply# 118   1/2/2017 at 23:12 (536 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

"Who knows if global warming has anything to do with it.

Last I read global warming will cause everywhere north and east of Chicago and Wash, DC to become cooler and wetter. Kinf of sucks because as time goes by we'll need to produce a larger and larger percentage of the world's food.

Post# 913722 , Reply# 119   1/3/2017 at 03:37 (536 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Who knows if global warming has anything to do with it

no, but if we keep listenting to Algore, we'll all come to the conclusion humans will cause Mother Earth to lurch out of orbit and careen towards an as yet unnamed planet and we'll all croak.

Post# 913735 , Reply# 120   1/3/2017 at 06:14 (536 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Haven't heard from

Al Gore in quite a while.
Fact is, it hasn't been proven, nor dis proven.
Here is what science knows; There are climate cycles. The polar ice is melting, and sea levels rising. It may be cyclical.
An asteroid made the dinosaurs extinct. Then we have the volatile Yellowstone caldera. We may be next. The earth's gravitation is controlled by the core and orbit. Any significant change will have the same result.
I don't dwell on it. Out of my control. Live. Tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Our sun is a star. All stars burn out or explode.
Why would we be the only intelligent life in the universe? We are not meant to know. Not here. Not now anyway.
Perhaps the same intellect that got us to the moon can be expanded to make humanity survive in space out of this solar system if need be until we do find other life, or it finds us, if it hasn't already.
Dream big! They said Tesla and Edison were crazy too.
In the mean time, take care of mother earth.
That hole in the ozone layer over Australia was real, and the reason for increasing skin cancer rates. I don't mock science, or the unknown.

Post# 914325 , Reply# 121   1/6/2017 at 15:10 (533 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Some coolness now.

Current 33F - 35F. Predicted 25F morning.

Saved a yellow sporty car from impact with a cart blown out a corral @ WM.

Post# 914340 , Reply# 122   1/6/2017 at 16:51 (533 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

Well my car decided it doesn't like the winter. First the washer pump quit working (it's been liking to do that the last couple years when it gets into the teens. And no the fluid isn't frozen), I went out there today and found 14 volts at the wire harness of the pump, so I know it's the pump that's bad. Ok easy fix right? says they only sell entire reservoir assy. Quoted $155 for the whole thing. No thanks. So I got autozone getting in a generic pump for $24 that claims it will fit, I will pick that up and cross my fingers it does. The part is very easy to replace too, just remove a few screws off the cover under the bumper and pull it away and there's the pump, doesn't even take tools to pull it out, it's ridiculous Nissan only sells the entire thing which would be a huge task to replace.

Secondly, while I was troubleshooting my car with it in accessory mode I accidentally left the climate control on and drained the battery down (it was already weak to begin with). The car is gonna need a new battery very soon, that's another $125 minimum right there.

The high was 11 today and I spent about 45 minutes freezing my ass off in that. Thank god for the really warm coat I was gifted for Christmas and long underwear. It's currently 7 with a low of 2 tonight. I'll be honest I'm not phased by it but it's still freaken cold.

Post# 914353 , Reply# 123   1/6/2017 at 18:11 (532 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Ice frozen solid everywhere here. You need ice creepers to even get from my house to garage. I have salted and sanded my driveway so many times in the last few weeks its stupid. -2 tonight and dropping until Wednesday, then more rain and freezing up again. This is getting very old. Unfortunately, our meteorologists here predict quite well.

Post# 914354 , Reply# 124   1/6/2017 at 18:12 (532 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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I feel your pain Jonathan. Been there done that.


Have you looked at rock auto for parts? I have found their prices to be quite aggressive even with shipping. Not that it helps you now, but perhaps in the future.


We're sitting at 12 degrees with a forecast low of 1 degree, very slight wind from the west.  Tomorrow is supposed to be 15 above and same for Sunday. Thus the snow we got will stick around.


How is your furnace doing? Is it carrying the freight for you?

Post# 914414 , Reply# 125   1/7/2017 at 08:55 (532 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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SNOW in TN!!!  I had the (dis)pleasure of having to drive home on it yesterday morning.  It took me almost 4 hours to drive what normally is only 1.  My 4x4 Jimmy did great though...slow and steady and got me home safe.  The Escalade is also handling very well in it.  It's 13F in Nashville this morning.

Post# 914421 , Reply# 126   1/7/2017 at 10:45 (532 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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23F this morn, 2F less than the prediction.


Predicting 79F next Fri. Welcome to global warning or cyclic climate change ... whichever.

No snow. Last snow was Christmas Eve 2004. Several inches, also highly unusual.

Post# 914422 , Reply# 127   1/7/2017 at 10:47 (532 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

Ben I did look at rockauto, the price was about the same as autozone but I wanted the part ASAP so I could change the pump out today. I just want it done with cuz it's bugging the crap out of me and with weather like this it can start snowing with no notice.

It's a high of 18 today and got down to 1 last night. I noticed all the bars and breweries were packed last night, guess it was a good night for it.

The Tranes are doing great, I splurged yesterday and put the downstairs/upstairs on 72/73. The downstairs was cycling between 1st and 2nd stage after sun down. The upstairs just runs longer cycles because it's way oversized, it'll never run continuously no matter how cold it gets. The thing that was kinda struggling was the fan powered humidifier. It can only keep the humidity in the high 20% range in this weather, which isn't necessarily bad since you want to reduce the RH to prevent condensation on the windows as it gets colder anyway.

Post# 914502 , Reply# 128   1/7/2017 at 20:45 (531 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Sitting at 10 above right now.  At least there is no wind. Nevertheless, it is darn cold.


The Goodman is cycling more frequently as is expected. I keep the day temp 69, down to 65 at night. Running between 41-45 per cent humidity during this cold spell; when the temps are more moderate, I'm close to 50 per cent, give or take.


The basic Aprilaire 8444 t-stat does the job; at some point I may get a programmable unit but it is not a high priority now


Just got replacement filters for the Vornado humidifier.  Going on 5 years now, it is the only one thus far that has not digested it's own motor. Only drawback is I cannot locate filters at local stores thus I am resigned to buying direct from Vornado. At least the last order had free shipping.


I might have mentioned it before, but for those who seek a warm bed w/o wanting to run the furnace to hell and back, Electrowarmth mattress warmers are the ticket.   If you're like me and hate a cold bed, these are indispensable in northern climates. I think I had mine for 6 years now and it still works very well. 


Going into my 3rd full year here, the Simonton windows are still doing well. No leaks that I can see no drafts etc. Not sure where they rank as compared to others, but I'm satisfied so far.  More than likely they are contractor grade but I cannot find any fault with them.


I have some minor gaps to seal on the window frames on about 6 of the windows, mainly due to house settling and shrinkage of the wood. I found some DAP stuff that makes a nice bead and dries to match the paint. Plus it stays flexible so in the future, it will keep the minor crack sealed.


I drained and flushed the water heater last fall. I was pleasantly surprised that very little gunk came out.  This is the first electric wh I had since 1993 when we moved into our Carrolton manufactured home (It came with a State Industries 40 gal gas). While my electric bill runs a tad higher than at the condo, I'm never at a loss for hot water here so long as the power stays on!  The builder put in a 50 gal unit which is more than enough for me. My condo had a 40 gal unit and I was never short of hot water there either.


Before long spring will be here and I'll be fussing over the yard........again.  I'm going perennial rye this year. To hell with the fescue and bluegrass. The fescue grows in clumps and does not spread. The bluegrass merely serves as bird food and never germinates.


With the USA made non union baldor grinder, at least now I have a device that can really put a super edge on the Husky mower blades.

Post# 914545 , Reply# 129   1/8/2017 at 04:25 (531 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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12F right now.  The roads cleared off mostly when the sun came out yesterday but in shady areas still solid ice.  Replaced the battery in my Jimmy as it was warning me that it was getting low on starting oomph.

Post# 914556 , Reply# 130   1/8/2017 at 06:59 (531 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

The temps in southern Minnesota are actually climbing for a few days! It was -4 last night, but we should be in the low 20's for a couple of days. The furnace will run less and the humidity inside will go up a bit. Of course this means a few inches of snow are on deck,'s Minnesota. Hi, Ben!

Post# 914573 , Reply# 131   1/8/2017 at 09:31 (531 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Hi frig

Post# 914582 , Reply# 132   1/8/2017 at 09:50 (531 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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24F this morn.

The 12-years-old Carrier is cycling set at 71F. Auxiliary is locked-out until 20F ambient so not using any of that (except during defrost cycles).

Don't know the humidity here but remote view of work is reading lower 20s% (electric resistance there).

Post# 914595 , Reply# 133   1/8/2017 at 10:41 (531 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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15" in Barnstable last night.

By Wednesday it's supposed to be in the upper forties to possibly just about 60 on Thursday. Then Forties during the day for about 3-4 days.

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Post# 914682 , Reply# 134   1/8/2017 at 18:40 (530 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Quite a bit of snow there eddie. What type of heating system do you have?


Humidity has hovered at 40 per cent all day now, even with the Vornado running full chat.

Post# 914688 , Reply# 135   1/8/2017 at 19:43 (530 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Forced Hot Water/ Oil Fired.

Back up Wood Furnace tied in to the system

Post# 914693 , Reply# 136   1/8/2017 at 20:09 (530 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Wow that sure is some setup!

Post# 914697 , Reply# 137   1/8/2017 at 20:38 (530 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Eddie, a Weil McLain is the Cadillac of boilers I got a 22 year old New Yorker that just now cycled on as its -4 and going down now, set the old Honeywell round at 64 day and night that boiler runs just like it has since it was installed, baseboard units tick, heat comes out, what more can you ask for. I have gas backup just in case the power goes out.

Post# 914990 , Reply# 138   1/10/2017 at 16:55 (529 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Another Colorado low has moved into the area. The snow started early afternoon. We are supposed to get 20 cm by tomorrow. I've had enough already.

I have a hot water system with radiant baseboard heaters. The water is heated by a propane fired boiler. The system was installed in 2009.


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Post# 914991 , Reply# 139   1/10/2017 at 17:04 (529 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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that is a nice looking setup countryguy.

Post# 915000 , Reply# 140   1/10/2017 at 18:18 (528 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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That is a very nice setup. Baby boiler that could easily heat more, Power vent so no chimney needed, PEX to run throughout the house, perfect in my world. Wished there was this available 22 years ago when I put my system in. Does that supply your domestic hot water also? From a deep freeze to rain here and much weirder warmer temps for January. Suppose all the melting snow will be glare ice AGAIN.

Post# 915015 , Reply# 141   1/10/2017 at 20:28 (528 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Thanks Washman and Wayupnorth.

Actually a chimney is required as it is only an 84% efficient boiler (at the recommendation of the heating contractor). The blower on the exhaust vent was added after the fact because I was having problems with a down draft sometimes and the burner would not ignite. Originally the house had nothing but baseboard electric heaters. When electricity rates started to rise I decided it was time to get rid of the electric heat. My original plan was for a forced air system (so that I could have central air) but due to the way the house was built, it was not possible so I went with the hot water radiant. All the electric rads were replaced with the hot water rads and since the basement has a suspended ceiling it was relatively easily to have the PEX lines installed. There are 5 zones - master bedroom, guest bedroom, main bathroom, living/dining/kitchen and basement. The system does not supply the domestic hot water. I inquired about replacing the electric hot water tank but the contractor thought the savings would be negligible since I am a 1 person household.

The snow has changed to a driving rain with winds blowing from the south.


Post# 915017 , Reply# 142   1/10/2017 at 21:10 (528 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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After a frigid weekend, temps are on the rise but weatherbug just buzzed with a wind advisory until tomorrow morning.


48 degrees as I type this.

Post# 915026 , Reply# 143   1/10/2017 at 21:35 (528 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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We got a few inches of the heavy wet stuff this morning but it pretty much turned to rain and is now a fading memory.

Post# 915347 , Reply# 144   1/12/2017 at 15:05 (527 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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79F to 82F today .... January.

Post# 915350 , Reply# 145   1/12/2017 at 15:18 (527 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
Just had sever t storm warning

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it expired but the rain is a coming down.

Post# 915360 , Reply# 146   1/12/2017 at 15:35 (527 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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Low 50's here and 2nd day of rain. Not much snow left but will probably all freeze up tomorrow night.

Post# 915364 , Reply# 147   1/12/2017 at 16:05 (527 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

We had an unexpected ice storm this morning. It was pouring rain all day yesterday and even had heavy thunderstorms at one point. It got up to 45. I went to bed and it got windy and dropped to about 33. I was awakened by the sound of thunder this morning before light and heard pouring, blowing rain, and remembering what the temp was before bed and that it was supposed to be cold today I got up and looked at the temp and it was 30! I'll honestly say, I've never in my life seen a thunderstorm at 30 ambient. Later on around 7-8 I heard Ice pelting the north corner of the house. When I finally got up everything was coated in a thin but hard frozen layer of ice. The ice scraper couldn't even get it off my car, I had to wait for the defrost to melt it some first. The Ice melt is hardly doing anything on the sheet of ice on the driveway, which looks like those sprinkle down basement floors where it's textured from the sleet pellets freezing into a sheet, so it wasn't the most slippery ice I've walked on.

With all that said, the roads were clear and I'm very grateful for that.

Post# 915372 , Reply# 148   1/12/2017 at 17:00 (527 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
This one time at band camp........

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well actually this one time I was driving across Iowa when I used to install POS systems and it was during a massive blizzard on I80 that I first experienced thundersnow.  In fact I 80 was closed and I did not realize it. The 95 Taurus was doing its best heat wise but it was so intense, the defroster could barely keep up.  When I got on the other side of quad cities, all the snow changed to rain and I made it back to Indy in one piece.

Post# 915374 , Reply# 149   1/12/2017 at 17:10 (527 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

We've had thundersnow a few times in the last few years around here. It has been known to be extraordinarily loud.

Post# 915376 , Reply# 150   1/12/2017 at 17:23 (527 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

It was up to 67F around noon, but rained heavily about 3PM. The temp has now dropped to upper 40's. Tomorrow the high is supposed to be upper 30's, but warm back up to 50's next week.

Post# 915389 , Reply# 151   1/12/2017 at 18:11 (526 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
"winter driving"

like that in thunder snow and freezing rain sure used to push my "threshold too",
and I never even went to band camp.

Hey Jim! jmm63 too buddy!

Post# 915394 , Reply# 152   1/12/2017 at 18:28 (526 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Here on the Cape

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Hard to believe there was 15+ inches of snow on Sunday Morning.

Temps the past few days in the upper forties and today 63 for a few hours... It's just about gone.

YAY... Weekend is suppose to be in the 20s and 30s but Tuesday (so far) back in the forties.


Post# 915400 , Reply# 153   1/12/2017 at 18:52 (526 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Just got gas bill for billing period 12/9 to 1/12...........$65.82

4.7 MCF used with 1119 degree days whatever the hell that means............

Post# 915474 , Reply# 154   1/13/2017 at 09:09 (526 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Ours was $76

I don't program the thermostat, I keep it at 70 f.
1968 brick ranch/bungalow, roughly 1,450 sq. ft., full basement, some added insulation, and we did use the fireplace some which is now a gas log.
Our kids have a quad level house built the same year, with a "Nest" thermostat.
Roughly the same sq. footage, and their bill was $80.
They only have basement beneath the kitchen and front room. They don't use their fireplace, and the family room is below grade. Both houses have forced air gas 95 plus efficiency furnaces.

Post# 915522 , Reply# 155   1/13/2017 at 15:23 (526 days old) by Jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

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I can only wish my bill was that low and that I could keep the house at 70. We keep the house at 65, and 62 at night or when no one is home.  (programmable tstat)  We heat with oil so it's whatever the price is when I order it. Some years its downright painfull.  So far this year, i got 100 gallons the end of October which lasted Nov and December, that was $250, so $125 a month, not terrible.  Got another 150 gal the end of Dec, that was $300.  Will probably need another 150 gal the beginning of Feb which hopefully will be it for the rest of the season, depends of the weather.  


We dress warmly in the house. 

Post# 915542 , Reply# 156   1/13/2017 at 17:31 (526 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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i'm pretty sure my basic MCF went up a bit this year, over $2 and some change per MCF. Last year it was below $2 per MCF, don't recall what it was though.

Post# 915555 , Reply# 157   1/13/2017 at 18:59 (525 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        

do you have an oil fired boiler, or forced air? Today, I got another gas bill for $138 for through Jan. 5th.
The temp. in our house is actually about 68 or 69 at most times, and we wear a sweater, hoodie, or sweat shirt over the first shirt.
Growing up we had a coal furnace in Detroit, then oil forced air at first in the 1944 built G.I. house in the suburbs. When my dad had to rebuild three walls of the block foundation because it was back filled with clay, (we all helped dig it out) he removed that old oil burner, tank, and put in gas. Oil is more expensive.

Post# 915565 , Reply# 158   1/13/2017 at 20:25 (525 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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I have oil because propane is ridiculously expensive and natural gas is never going to be available where I live. I have propane backup in case power goes out. I have two 330 gallon tanks that easily give me my heat and hot water with my trusty New Yorker boiler for a full year. Filling up when it is cheap (1.69/gal.) end of summer helped alot. Now zero on the thermometer and -17 with wind chill. Summer, please come back!

Post# 915598 , Reply# 159   1/14/2017 at 09:00 (525 days old) by Jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

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It's oil fired forced air.  Furnace was new as of last year and is much more efficient than the old one, which was 30+ years old.  Although I'm not 100% happy with it.  Its much louder than the old one and we sized it a little more powerful than the old one because the 2nd floor is always cold.  It helped some but not quite.  We have to have some duct work done to fix that.  The master bedroom needs another supply line and the whole house needs more cold air returns.  


My mom's house in Allen Park had the original gravity heat furnace from 1948 to 1990 when she put in forced air.


Like Mike, we don't have natural gas in the neighborhood.  Its an old lake community that was originally summer cottages.  They never ran gas mains in.  Everyone heats with oil or propane, but propane is really expensive so its oil for most.


Post# 915623 , Reply# 160   1/14/2017 at 11:29 (525 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        

it's worth the slight disadvantage not to have gas to live near a lake. How is your Mom doing?
My folks house on Oakdale had gravity heat when they bought it in 1978.
It also came with a 1955 36 inch Frigidaire electric range. My mom always had a gas stove before that, but she said she liked it.
I don't know what ever happened to it. I moved out on the east side before they remodeled that kitchen, and I worked so much, I didn't get down to visit a whole lot. I think it was thanksgiving about 1983 it suddenly had a new oak kitchen and all new Kenmore appliances.
My sister has the house now. She got new black LG stuff two years ago.
The state didn't take the house to recoup Medicaid form my mom being in a nursing home because they did the Ladybird deed, which took my mom off the house.

Post# 915656 , Reply# 161   1/14/2017 at 14:30 (525 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        

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I really do feel sorry for those people who end up going without electricity for periods of time. The very few instances when my power has gone off was when Southern California Edison said that they had maintenance to do. They gave you a 2 week heads-up and then the off period was short and never in the summer. As it was I would get so upset that friends said I needed to be sedated. 

Post# 915700 , Reply# 162   1/14/2017 at 19:49 (524 days old) by Jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

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Thanks for asking Mike,  we actually just had a really bad week.  She's been in the hospital this week due to a really bad UTI and a fall on monday.  Thank God, nothing broken.  The UTI was pretty serious, 3 days of IV anti biotics and fluids and she was released on Thursday and is back home.  Thank God for my sister, who has to deal with 

Post# 915923 , Reply# 163   1/16/2017 at 12:53 (523 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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The boiler at my new home stopped to heat this weekend, there was a bad weld in the relay of the aquastat, I called the gas company for service but the weekend call was $500... I looked at it and fixed it by myself and I'll probably order a spare online as they are quite expensive in Canada...

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Post# 916122 , Reply# 164   1/17/2017 at 21:23 (521 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Bit of a warm spell last 2 days.  Goodman is humming right along.  I hope the filter will last until early summer, at 38 bucks a throw, I don't fancy replacing them too often!

Post# 916123 , Reply# 165   1/17/2017 at 21:26 (521 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

It's supposed to be in the 40s and some 50s for the next week here.

I change our filter just over once a year, it lasts a very long time and we have a dusty house. It's the same one you got.

Post# 916151 , Reply# 166   1/18/2017 at 03:47 (521 days old) by thomasortega (Los Angeles - CA)        

Everything ready for the winter here... ROFL

A/C checked (new filters)
pantry full of Lipton iced tea
Freezer full of popsicles and ice cream.
Ice maker checked
Swimsuits washed
Fireplace clean (you know, we need to keep it clean because of the Christmas decoration)
Furnace.... (What is a furnace?)
Amazon Dash button for "Sunblock SPF 1200" (button was hit maybe 10 times only today LOL)
Aloe vera balm in the first aid kit (you know, for sunburns)
A new stock of evilness like a mexican soap opera villan, only to laugh when our friends in other states start sending the pictures.

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Post# 916276 , Reply# 167   1/18/2017 at 18:53 (520 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
I do mine 2x a year gusherb

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mainly due to the fact that in addition to being non-compliant with DOE and EPA edicts, I'm also a 2nd class citizen.


I'm a smoker sealed

Post# 916281 , Reply# 168   1/18/2017 at 19:53 (520 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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My system being 22 years old is far from complying with any of the new standards but is very efficient. I dont have any filters, just pet hair clogging up the baseboard units, needs frequently gone over with the vac, I am a second class also and I dont care what anyone thinks. This is what I see every day (that the sun is out). I should say in warmer weather, not in the middle of January.

Post# 916311 , Reply# 169   1/19/2017 at 00:03 (520 days old) by gosvenn (Montreal)        

I start winterizing my house and all the appliances as soon as the winter started. Right now the temperature is about 30F. While winterizing I came across a couple of drafty windows. I did a bit of research online and I came across a blog that mentioned some tips on how to fix drafty windows ( ).I don't what caused these windows to be drafty as they are new. If anybody could share any thoughts on this, it would be great.

Post# 916320 , Reply# 170   1/19/2017 at 03:51 (520 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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December's gas usage for us was 5900 cu ft.  with the thermostat set on 72-73 and a gas water heater, dryer, and kitchen stove in a 1956 ranch with the original drafty wood windows (to be changed out this year)! My actual cost was $57 total for the gas, monthly service charge, blah blah.  With budget billing I only had to pay $34 (averaged over the whole year).  Gas is very cheap here.

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