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Post# 920536   2/10/2017 at 16:02 (189 days old) by Paulinroyton (B)        

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Post# 920553 , Reply# 1   2/10/2017 at 17:10 (189 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
AEG FRONT LOADER WASHING MACHINE L9FSC969R

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Looking very slick, its not totally unique, you can see vestel cabinets / pump housing , Siemens dooresque and mashup of beko /boschette/grundig fascia...Like it !!

Specification: 9kg Load, 1600rpm - 44%residual moisture
Internal light for optimal visibility in the washing machine
Time saving options
Antiflood device with Aqua Control sensor
Jet system washing technology
Handwash programme / wool programme: An extremely gentle programme that allows 'handwash' labelled or wool items to be washed by machine.
Delay start option - set the machine to start when it suits you
Wool plus programme: The only wool programme in the market with a cool down at the end of the wash phase preventing chill-shock when the cold rinse begins, ensuring shrinkage is minimised.
Steam programmes: Special steam programmes to make ironing easier and to remove odours and creases
Synthetics programmes
Anti-flood protection
A+++ energy efficiency class
This labelling scheme is designed to offer a standardised method of choosing the most energy efficient appliances. In addition to energy efficiency, the label also gives similar ratings for spin drying performance ('A' - most efficient, 'G' - least efficient). This washing machine is rated 'A' class for spin drying performance. The best standard of spin drying you can get.
Child safety lock: Keypads can be locked to ensure temperatures and programme selectors can not be changed - making certain your laundry is always safe.
Delay start option: Set the programme to begin at a time convenient to you
LogiControl™ touch display
Anti-allergy programme: Ensures the temperature is constantly maintained above 60°C by repeatedly re-heating during the wash phase resulting in exceptional hygiene and the complete removal of various allergens.
Programmes include:
Interior light: The interior light automatically lights up when door is opened for greater visability when loading and unloading.
Time save option: Reduce wash cycle times by up to 60% with Time Saver. Perfect for lightly soiled clothes that you need in a hurry.
Options include:
Aqua Control: Aqua Control is an internal system which monitors the water level to detect water leakage.
Delicate programme: The delicate programme gently washes the most delicate of fabrics.
LED display
Out of balance control of the drum load
Pre-wash option
Large capacity: In our large capacity washer you can wash larger loads saving you time & effort.
Fuzzy Logic technology, adapting to the load
Child lock

A class wash performance: This labelling scheme is designed to offer a standardised method of choosing the most energy efficient appliances. In addition to energy efficiency, the label also gives similar ratings for washing performance ('A' - most efficient, 'G' - least efficient). This model is rated 'A' class for washing performance. The highest level of wash performance you can get.
Ultra quick wash: This quick wash is a complete programme that allows you to wash upto 3kgs at 30°C in just 20 minutes! Making washing small loads efficiently easier than ever before.
Cottons programmes: Includes regular cottons and cotton economy programmes.
Stain action option: The stain action function allows you to use stain removing agents in a specific fourth compartment within the detergent drawer.


Performance
Load Capacity kg (Wash): 9
Display type: Big LED
Motor system: Permanent Magnet
Energy cons. Std. Cotton 60°C (kWh): 0.32
Energy cons. Std. Cotton 60°C, half load (kWh): 0.3
Energy cons. Std. Cotton 40°C, half load (kWh): 0.3
Front door: P1B + Turbine
Time of wash / cotton 60°C: 268
Progr. time Std. Cotton 60°C, half load (min): 247
Progr. time Std. Cotton 40°C, half load (min): 234
Installation
Colour: White
Height (mm): 850
Width (mm): 600
DepthMax: 639
Water Supply: Cold
Gross weight (kg): 82
Net Weight: 80.5
Energy
Energy Class: A+++
Energy cons. annual (kWh) (2010/30/EC): 76,0
Spin drying efficiency (2010/30/EC): A
Max. spin speed (rpm) (2010/30/EC): 1600
Water cons. annual (l) (2010/30/EC): 10499
Off mode power cons. (W) (2010/30/EC): 0,30
Left-on mode power cons. (W) (2010/30/EC): 0,30
Moisture % after max. spin (2010/30/EC): 44
Declared programme (2010/30/EC): Std cotton 60 half & full load,Std cotton 40 half load
Left-on mode duration (min) (2010/30/EC): 5
Washing noise (dB(A) re 1 pW) (2010/30/EC): 47
Spinning noise (dB(A) re 1 pW) (2010/30/EC): 75


Post# 920555 , Reply# 2   2/10/2017 at 17:18 (189 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Complete with water softener

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5. THE WATER SOFTENER (SOFTWATER TECHNOLOGY)
5.1 Introduction
The water contains harsh minerals. The higher the content of these minerals the
harder the water is. Hard water can reduce the effectiveness
of the detergent, reduce the softness of fabrics and contribute towards shrinkage and colour fading.

This appliance is equipped with a water softener able to provide the right degree of water softening to preserve the fabric integrity, colour brightness and ensuring good wash performances at low temperature. The water softener should be adjusted according to the water hardness of your inlet water. A correct setting allows to achieve the best washing results and the
maximum garments protection.

To set the water softener correctly, please refer to 'How to set the water
hardness level'. 5.2 How to set the water hardness level The appliance allows you to chose between 7 levels corresponding to 7 different ranges of water hardness. Depending on the country, the water hardness is expressed in equivalent scales: e.g. French degrees (°f), German degrees (°d), English degrees (°e) and mmol/l.

If necessary, please contact your local water authority to check the water
hardness in your area. Check in the "Water hardness levels"
table which is the proper level. To set the water hardness level:
1. Press the On/Off button for a few seconds to activate the appliance.
2. Wait about 10 seconds for appliance internal check.
3. Touch the Stains/Prewash and the
Plus Steam buttons simultaneously (by touching the two buttons at the
same instant, as shown in the next drawing) for some seconds until the
display shows the default level C04 and the indicator goes on. It
means the water softener is active during washing only.


Post# 920575 , Reply# 3   2/10/2017 at 19:00 (188 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
247 Minutes Cottons Washt Time (Std)?

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Four hours plus for a "normal" cottons wash? You'll have rags before long after repeating that lot often enough.

Fall behind on the washing and it would be quicker to go down to local launderette, otherwise you'll be using that AEG for days.


Post# 920587 , Reply# 4   2/10/2017 at 19:48 (188 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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That's for the Eco wash cycle. Basically, you are supposed to pack the drum until you have to force the door shut and then the clothes will be washed in (energy-saving) 80F water long enough to achieve the same cleaning as a normal 140F Cotton cycle. It's all marketing so manufacturers can show off how energy efficient their appliance is, while still achieving the required A class cleaning performance.

All the other cycles actually heat to the selected temp and run faster - of course sacrificing energy efficiency in return. A recent survey by our consumer magazine showed that people do look for super efficient machines... but once they get them home and see the cycle time, they don't use the Eco cycle - negating the energy savings they initially bought the washer for.


Post# 920620 , Reply# 5   2/10/2017 at 23:46 (188 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Ok, got it!

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My AEG Oko-Lavamat has an "energy savings" cycle for cottons/linens. Claims to do a full load at 140F but with reduced energy use.

Far as one can see it does so by using less than the already puny amounts of water the machine already uses, but cycle time is greatly increased to around three hours. Obviously less water taken for wash cycle the less there is to heat, so there you are then.

Machine can get away with using such an even more puny amount of water for this ES cycle by running the recirulation pump constantly during the wash. This forces that small amount of water through the laundry.


Post# 920631 , Reply# 6   2/11/2017 at 00:49 (188 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

4 Hrs???? Take the things to the creek and beat them with a rock in less time!!!!These cycle times get longer and MORE ridiculous!

Post# 920647 , Reply# 7   2/11/2017 at 03:05 (188 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

4h isn't the worst. We had 6h already (that was BSH).

The more annoying thing is that the non-Eco versions actually are now upped to 3:15h across the board on the new series.
Time Saver however cuts that to 2:20h or 1:20h respectivley for the daily or quick option.
The new ÖkoPower cycle is about an hour long, has 2 rinses by default without an interim spin if I remember correctly. Extra rinse options are avaible, allowing for up to 5 rinses there. Each additional rinse adds 5 minutes, so that would be about 1:15-1:20h.

There are plenty of short options. And any american talking about these should keep in mind: 3:15h, that is for a 20lbs load, in a 24" size.


Post# 920648 , Reply# 8   2/11/2017 at 03:20 (188 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"that is for a 20lbs load, in a 24" size. "

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Well yes that is true; but one does not always have twenty pounds of wash at a go.

Well suppose could wash *all* whites such as undergarments, bath and kitchen linen, t-shirts... the lot in one wash, but that isn't always wanted nor desired.

Most H-axis washers are happiest at or near full load capacity for normal cottons/linens cycle. Smaller loads can and often do lead to issues with unbalanced loads and the stress that causes to a machine.

Back to matter at hand; still am not buying this whole three or more hour cycles for washing machines and or automatic dishwashers.


Post# 920653 , Reply# 9   2/11/2017 at 04:45 (188 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Neither am I Launderess! 


Post# 920656 , Reply# 10   2/11/2017 at 05:04 (188 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Our consumer magazine had this diagram in their November 2015 issue. The left side says "140°F Cotton Normal, 142°F actual temp, half load, 1.09 kWh, 2:10 hrs. The right side is the 140°F Eco cycle: 93°F actual temp, half load, 0.5 kWh, 3:25 hrs. About half a kWh in energy savings doesn't sound like much - but if the advertising says "This cycles saves you more than 50% in energy costs... A++++++ energy efficiency", people will buy into it. As I said above, the survey showed that only about 20% of users actually select the Eco cycle, mostly because it takes them too long and they think that every cycle, not only the Eco one, is as efficient as the energy label says.

This AEG is rated at A+++ -70%, which translates into 100% more efficient than A, I think. At only 0.32 kWh for a 20 lbs. load on Eco, this cycle probably only "heats" to 77°F... and then you end up with 4 hour cycles.


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Post# 920661 , Reply# 11   2/11/2017 at 05:28 (188 days old) by L86810 (Southend, UK)        
Finally!

Lets hope they've stopped cancelling the interim spins when you select time save...

Post# 920677 , Reply# 12   2/11/2017 at 06:29 (188 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

TIME is a MORE valueable resource to many over water or energy.Esp if they follow the safety rules and run the machine only while at home and awake.This nonsense has to go!!!

Post# 920681 , Reply# 13   2/11/2017 at 06:39 (188 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Eco Oko Magic

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Its all in the small print and screen Laundress, we thank our Euro testing labs for those wash times, you have the options of selecting options just over an hour which incidentally will still give us great eco energy efficient wash results than those resource guzzling behemouths in many basements. I are pleased you saw fit to test out our Euro style washers that give the best results in energy efficiency and eco resources AND you do get to see what a little warm heat can do with our heaters !!

My Asko has flexi options from 15 yrs ago, can do a 90d hot quick wash with 3 rinses and super 1600spin in just over an hour...


Post# 920683 , Reply# 14   2/11/2017 at 06:45 (188 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Energy Efficiency///

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Is nothing new in washing machine, Servis Domestic Appliances UK had a Multi-Fabric wash nearly 40yrs ago. consisting of a soak and tumble over many hrs (until you cancelled and selected rinse) this took advantage of the new generation of enzyme detergents such as Ariel which even now if you dumped all you clothes in a bucket or bathetub, added cool water and left steeping for a few hours would get similar results, again with the benefit of time to complete your wash...

Post# 920684 , Reply# 15   2/11/2017 at 06:52 (188 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Eco Time for Perfect Results...

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The latest Servis vestel model will do a load of washing at 90d, rinses and fast 1400rpm spin in 1.48, or 1.57 with extra rinse....

Post# 920685 , Reply# 16   2/11/2017 at 06:55 (188 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Eco Oko Magic

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And even a 60d smallish load wash in ....30 mins, totally flexible !!

Post# 920686 , Reply# 17   2/11/2017 at 07:00 (188 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Eco Oko Magic

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The pushing all options Anti-Allergy wash holding the temp at 60d with 5 HEATED rinses comes in at 3.28, whatever you want, the flexibility in the latest weshers (and all eco if you want it) gives great results !!

Post# 920687 , Reply# 18   2/11/2017 at 07:00 (188 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

AEG were never known to be fast. Miele was, and Bosch before the advent of VarioPerfect.

These high-load machines are optimized for loads in the realistic range, laundress, and AEG now has an incredible load size adjustment algorythm which they now advanced even further by adding an initial weight sensing via motor speed control.
These machines have 66l drums, equating to about 12-14lbs loads. Of all washers, tgese FLs are by far the best for partial loading in my opinion.


Post# 920688 , Reply# 19   2/11/2017 at 07:08 (188 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Eco Oko Magic

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And just so no bias to Servii, here the Hoover Candy doing its stuff 3.56 dialled but with fuzzy logic usually depending on soil levels can drop down to around 2hrs or less.

Post# 920712 , Reply# 20   2/11/2017 at 09:43 (188 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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I`m afraid as long as the EU energy label lacks information on fabric wear and rinsing efficiency the craze about endless cycle times and overloaded drums isn`t going to stop any time soon.

Our consumer magazine tells us there is no reproducible method to test fabric wear at the moment, but I *think* the EU has no desire to develop such a test as it would be counterproductive to the current energy savings at all costs policy.



Post# 920718 , Reply# 21   2/11/2017 at 10:53 (188 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

I don't quite have noticed any significant increase in fabric wear. I use these Eco cycles for overnight washing and such.

Overloaded drums should actually reduce wear. I mean, clothes can't move, thus no friction and less beating.
But rinsing sucks for the most parts, especially if there is no recirc system.

Anyhow, cycle programming has gone way more morbidly wrong then that.
Like BSHs 40C cotton cycle (not Eco) that uses more energy then the 60C version of that cycle.
2h easy care cycles, that use more water then then delicate cycles.
The basic elimination of prewashes on some machines.


These AEGs can cut down wash times down to ~1 1/2h or less for smallest loads.


Post# 924504 , Reply# 22   3/2/2017 at 13:34 by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

Not sure if the link will work... but google translated an Electrolux article about a new Outdoor programme on the 9000 series models, complete with with this pic...

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Post# 924505 , Reply# 23   3/2/2017 at 13:40 by henene4 (Germany)        

Still waiting for the manuals fir those big screen models; I'm really wanting to know how there user logic works...

Post# 924506 , Reply# 24   3/2/2017 at 13:45 by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

There's also 4 new videos in English on the AEG youtube channel about 6000, 7000, 8000 and 9000 series washer dryers.

I've rarely seen Washer Dryers get a design update at the same time as the main washers and dryers, but the video seems to show the new design hidden in the shadows.

Not sure if thats because they are alluding to new models coming out shortly (hopefully) or if they simply didn't want to show the older style models in the new videos they've been releasing so hid it from view?!

However... although the older style Washer Dryers have converted over to the newer type model numbers on their websites they don't contain the Outdoor program which the advert talks about, so perhaps something new is on it's way?


CLICK HERE TO GO TO l86810's LINK


Post# 924509 , Reply# 25   3/2/2017 at 13:48 by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

lol yes me too henene4... I keep checking!

Post# 924535 , Reply# 26   3/2/2017 at 17:05 by Hotpointwfwt02 (Manchester)        

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They look so futuristic and they look like the current Zanussi Lindo machines and the display looks like the Miele Navitronic / Miele Supertronic ones

Post# 924608 , Reply# 27   3/3/2017 at 07:38 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Fabric abrasion ISO 3758

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Apparently the international textile labelling codes take into account:
the garment contruction;
the possibility of abrasion;
surface embellishments (i.e. stuck on with glue);
risk of solvents removing colour.

It does say cleaning effectiveness is not dealt with. (Look at the Frequently Asked Questions, last one).


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Post# 927032 , Reply# 28   3/15/2017 at 16:18 by Ibaisaic (UK)        

Here's my brief review on the 8000 series washing machine. Tumble dryer review to follow.




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Post# 941577 , Reply# 29   6/3/2017 at 12:10 by l86810 (Southend, UK)        
The touchscreen model is now out

Its been uploaded the the AEG UK website, along with the user manual

L9FEA966C


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