Thread Number: 70561  /  Tag: Detergents and Additives
Why the New Directive Reguarding Detergent?
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Post# 935009   4/27/2017 at 20:07 (2,555 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)        

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We used to be told to use half the amount of detergent used in standard center post top loaders in HE machines because they use less water and thus need less. Now, most major brands say to use the highest line on the scoop for "HE Full Loads" and only just greater than half for center post automatics.

Anyone know why?

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Post# 935014 , Reply# 1   4/27/2017 at 20:54 (2,555 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Modern HE machines hold much larger loads than traditional front loaders which had a maximum capacity of 8 pounds or so. Even if the modern machines were not rated for larger loads, owners were going to cram as much as they could into those large drums, because now doing laundry is just such a back breaking, onerous burden on anyone who has to do laundry today.

 

There could always be the situation of water heaters being turned down so that they do not provide the traditional temperatures associated with hot water in decades past. With more people using cold water, whether by choice or by the machine using so little water that even if hot water were delivered to the machine, there is not enough thermal energy in the water to warm up the machine, detergent manufacturers might be trying to cover their asses with cleaning issues by recommending greater detergent dosing. Remember you have mechanical action, chemical action and thermal action that go into successful laundering. If you are low on one, you have to increase something else.

 

When I wash a load of 5 bath sheets in the Speed Queen, I have to use double the regular amount of STPP and detergent over the amount I use for regular loads because it takes a huge amount of water to saturate the load. A beneficial side effect of this is that all of that hot water really heats up the load and the machine so things get a good hot wash. I always bleed the hot water to maximum temp before starting hot wash loads.


Post# 935017 , Reply# 2   4/27/2017 at 21:45 (2,555 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

I will second what Tom said above.

Just posting to add what the folks at P&G claim is going on, on this video about Tide HE Turbo.

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Post# 935023 , Reply# 3   4/27/2017 at 22:09 (2,555 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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I ignore such dosing recommendations because they make little to no sense. Instead I check for water feel (should be slippery, indicating alkalinity) and slight sudsing. I also check the rinses to see if residual suds are not being rinsed away. If so, have added too much detergent (probably). An ounce or two of distilled white vinegar in the final rinse helps to dissipate the suds and residual alkalinity.

You surely do not want to see a thick layer of suds in an HE machine, be it front or top loader. It just interferes with washing and rinsing.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Once you get to know your loads and your detergent(s) you'll get pretty adept at the correct dosage. But bear in mind: some detergent manufacturers want you to overdose so they sell more product. It's sort of like those toothpaste commercials, which show the brush overflowing with tasty toothpaste. About 1/4 that amount is probably more than sufficient. Especially if at the end of the brushing, you look like you have hydrophobia.




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Post# 935108 , Reply# 4   4/28/2017 at 08:27 (2,554 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Tell it!

The wash water has to feel a bit soapy, or my laundry is not clean. It looks clean, but any body perspiration, and they smell yucky immediately.


Post# 936803 , Reply# 5   5/6/2017 at 15:27 (2,546 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

When the UK introduced front loading automatics, only one detergent was low foam at that time, "Pat".

All the other detergents were high lather, suitable only for agitator wringer machines and twintubs.

Lever's Persil 'Automatic' launched in the late Sixties, countered by P&G's Bold 'Automatic'. Both were 'Low Suds' formulations.


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Post# 936811 , Reply# 6   5/6/2017 at 15:46 (2,546 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

"The Spectator", October 1960, carried an article about too much foam in detergents hampering the action of front loading automatics.

(The document scanning process introduced some spelling/grammatical errors in the first couple of paragraphs. Enlarging the original printed snapshot might be easier to read).


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