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Post# 952101   8/8/2017 at 01:29 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

If you don't like He Washing Machines, check out JayKay18's video on why Modern HE Washer suck. I'll put it in the link.

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Post# 952102 , Reply# 1   8/8/2017 at 01:32 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        
I forgot to Mention...

There is two part series on Why Modern HE Washers Suck

Post# 952107 , Reply# 2   8/8/2017 at 02:24 by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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That is quite an eloquent examination of the machines functionality.

Post# 952113 , Reply# 3   8/8/2017 at 07:06 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Ihave a simplified version...

No water...no washing....no water no rinsing......

Post# 952114 , Reply# 4   8/8/2017 at 07:11 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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So much swearing! lol

Post# 952116 , Reply# 5   8/8/2017 at 07:26 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Make no mistake, a washplate-based top-loader is at the bottom of my list of choices for a washer; but based on empirical evidence I'm astonished these guys survived rubbing both their brain cells together to make the video.

Post# 952127 , Reply# 6   8/8/2017 at 09:17 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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So how can you test an HE toploader with a sensor without any laundry in it? Doesn't make sense to me.

BTW, this is a post about a modern machine, therefor it belongs in the Deluxe Forum, not in the Imperial.


Post# 952218 , Reply# 7   8/8/2017 at 17:52 by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
On JayKay18

There are many things that he is right about, but many others that he is not on. He is good at fixing things, but has many false beliefs on things. He is generally a mixed bag with a select few but very loyal followers. He is the only person to YouTube who can have 100 views on a video but over 30 comments and 80 likes at the same time.

Post# 952252 , Reply# 8   8/8/2017 at 21:46 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        
Yeah...

JayKay18 also has created his own wash-in, he calls it "Wash Day Wash In." He and another YouTube user Sharkie626 wash towels in his two Whirlpool Direct Drive washers (Whirlpool's last good top load washers) and they talk about how bad the HE washers are. I forgot to mention, that one LG washing machine got replaced with a Speed Queen!!

Post# 952282 , Reply# 9   8/9/2017 at 06:22 by joeypete (Concord, NH)        
Oh brother

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I can't watch his videos. He repeats the same things over and over and over and over and over and over. It's like, come on, get over it already. I can't imagine being that obsessed over being against something. I'm all for retro, but this dude is just plain stuck in another era. LOL

Post# 952288 , Reply# 10   8/9/2017 at 07:20 by Jetcone (Schenectady-Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
This vid I find

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Even more interesting. Has anyone else tried this at home?

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Post# 952293 , Reply# 11   8/9/2017 at 07:41 by brucelucenta (tulsa, oklahoma)        

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New HE top load washers are NOTHING like the washers before this era of HE machines. I personally do not feel I could EVER get used to using one the way it works and that is why I choose to have a front load machine. I do not think that my front load machine is very aggressive with really dirty items, but with the extra time and heat boost it seems to accomplish the same results as an aggressive top loader in cleaning. One thing a front loader is excellent at is getting rid of lint and not promoting more while washing. It also saves a great deal on water and on energy to dry clothes, since it spins out so well. It just takes a long time for a cycle, which I have adjusted to.

Post# 952302 , Reply# 12   8/9/2017 at 08:52 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Jon-- Thanks for providing more evidence that the guy making these videos is misguided.

 

Of course the HE machine in the video above uses more water to do a complete fill.  The tub is larger! That also means it can wash a larger load than the traditional Whirlpool.  A machine's water efficiency is based on the amount of water used per pound of clothing, not on how many gallons it takes to fill the tub.

 

CR and reviewed.com test the cleaning ability of HE top-loaders by allowing the machine to select the amount of water used.  That reduces the total gallons used substantially when compared to a traditional top-loader.

 

There are legitimate reasons to dislike high efficiency top-loaders.  This guy's specious test is not one of them. 

 

 

 

 




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Post# 952303 , Reply# 13   8/9/2017 at 09:01 by MrAlex (London, UK)        
Frigilux

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Completely agree with you!


Post# 952359 , Reply# 14   8/9/2017 at 16:42 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

I prefer top load washers over front load washers, simply because they plain work, and get it done in 30 minutes. Front loaders spin faster, but a faster spin puts stress on the fabrics. My Maytag A810 washer and Maytag DG810 dryer from the 80's that has never had a repair that I know of ( I acquired the Maytag washer and dryer around Auguest of last year ) and it has been working fine without a problem since then. Maytag washers of the 50's 60's 70's 80's and 90's did not have largest capacity, but since the tub was not as deep, but was wider, it spun a good amount of water out. Our front loader had a fast spin speed, but the average drying time was an hour. My Maytag does not have the fastest spin speed, but the drying time is still an hour ( Towels take an our to dry, but regular fabrics take 45 minutes to dry ). Our Kenmore dryer that matched the washer ( It is for sale in the Shoppers Square section ) that had automatic dry cycles, but it never worked properly from the beginning. I always used the timed drying cycle, instead of the automatic dry cycles.

Post# 952364 , Reply# 15   8/9/2017 at 17:19 by appnut (TX)        

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I'm with Eugene.  A washplate HE is at the bottom of my list.  Next to the bottom of the list is any modern agitator-looking washer.  Direct drive Whirlpool-produced products are even lower, aka Shredmores.  I'm with Bruce.  Front loaders only.  Higher water temps, better disgusting stain removal, cleaner clothes, and mine are lasting longer.  With difficult stains, I spent more time washing/soaking a load in the Shredmore than my front loader using steam, sanitize or extra hot temperatures and still costs me less due to less water usage and heating required 23 gallons of hot water. 

 

And that guy measuring all the water, he wasn't realistic.  Because of fabric saturation and water retention following the spin between wash & rinse, the rinse fill uses lest water than the wash fill.


Post# 952394 , Reply# 16   8/9/2017 at 19:56 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

Front loaders use less water, but use more electricity, and most of all, waste time! Another thing about top loading washers is, you can use whatever laundry detergent you want. We bought Tide Pods in the summer of 2014, and they didn't really work. I dislike those Tide Pods pods, just as much as Front loaders! I forgot to mention, when the door gasket failed on our front loader, it was the definition of 'SHREDMORE', it put small holes in my clothes!

Post# 952472 , Reply# 17   8/10/2017 at 07:26 by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Front-loaders shouldn't take TOO much time (I've read of some silly cycle times lately), but then some of the classic American top-loaders with 10, 12, 15-minute max wash times... daft! Just not enough to clean effectively...

Post# 952474 , Reply# 18   8/10/2017 at 07:35 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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The washer that was in my old flat had a FL and it was like a 5/6kg with super small drum and the standard program at 40c took 3,5h and I couldn't  runt it at night cause the neighbour complained about noise. It was a nightmare


Post# 952547 , Reply# 19   8/10/2017 at 22:20 by Washerlover (Lake County, California: Wines With Altitude)        
I Agree to be Against HE

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Stupid! I bought these new machines to relieve my vintage collection and am appalled at the lackluster washing. And what is a "washplate?" A

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Post# 952548 , Reply# 20   8/10/2017 at 22:25 by Washerlover (Lake County, California: Wines With Altitude)        
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Sorry about my last post -- apparently I hit the wrong key and it sent. Anyway, my new machines are awful. The dryer's "auto dry" cycle leaves clothes damp even at the highest heat setting. I have hated modern machines ever since the mid 1980s and these lovely vintage 2017 machines are terrible. I found that the "Normal" rinse cycle doesn't even agitate. It does a partial fill and then drains/spins. Anyway, I hope I can keep my older machines going until I die. Hate modern technology!

Post# 952549 , Reply# 21   8/10/2017 at 22:27 by Washerlover (Lake County, California: Wines With Altitude)        
Another HE Comment

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And although my new washer says I must use HE detergent, I'm using BOL non HE Wal-Mart detergent with no problems...

Post# 952553 , Reply# 22   8/11/2017 at 00:28 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

That is a newer Whirlpool Belt Drive Washer. I don't like these new belt drives at all. Automatic Dry is a gimmick on most modern dryers, I would use the Timed Drying Cycle. YouTube user Sharkie626 will explain why the new Whirlpool Belt Drive Washer is worse than th Whirlpool Direct Drive Washer. I'll put it in the link.

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Post# 952576 , Reply# 23   8/11/2017 at 08:29 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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that's the thing with youtube....they will let any fool post a video...credible or not....fact or fiction....

then again, whats the real issue, the ones who post?, or the ones who watch and believe everything they see?.....if anything, I figure this a comedy type of vid..

obviously there is not one single video of "How to fix stupid!".....

just masterful understated observations considering it comes from total idiots....

for HALF the people who don't like, or lets be serious, have no clue how to properly operate one of these units...

of those half, who toss these machines out.....I come along to pick them up, only to find out there is nothing wrong with it.....it works perfect.....and Re-Sell for a clear and free profit....

again, SOLD to the other HALF who are tickled pink to buy a machine for half the price of new....that works as it should!....

guess who laughing all the way to the bank?...


don't knock them until you own a few!


Post# 952580 , Reply# 24   8/11/2017 at 09:00 by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Post# 952591 , Reply# 25   8/11/2017 at 11:23 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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here's a tear down of a Cabrio/Bravos direct drive version.....easy as pie to service....






Post# 952592 , Reply# 26   8/11/2017 at 11:31 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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and the same type of direct drive machine in motion......looks like plenty of water and agitation to me....then again, this vid is courtesy of our own Gansky, someone who definitely knows how to wash clothes and operate a washer correctly...

this one is a 2009 model, I have a 2010 that operates the same way.....newer versions are even better...







SO....you were saying?




Post# 952604 , Reply# 27   8/11/2017 at 14:10 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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I have to agree with Martin about these new HE TL's. I have been using my Maytag MVWC415 since Dec. 2016 and have had zero problems with it. I uses an adequete amount of water to throughly clean and rinse all types of loads, much more that the LG FL that it replaced. And it is relatively quick, most loads done in 50-55 mins. And it has never become unbalanced, spins first time, every time without hesitation. This was my main complaint with the LG, it seemed to hunt endlessly for that sweet spot where it would decide to spin. This is what contributed to the sometimes 2 hr. cycle times. And the cotton cycle on heavy soil level would tumble for no less that 20 mins with the clothes being barely damp, mostly dry, then would add more water , but not enough and continue to wash for another 10 mins. This is why I got rid of it.

We have a set of extra heavy weight bath towels that we got from Pottery Barn. I couldn't get these towels to spin in the LG FL unless I used slow spin speed, and even then it didn't want to spin. Finally, after the last time I washed them in the LG and it took 2 1/2 hours on normal soil I just stopped using these towels. The Maytag washes, rinses and spins these towels perfectly in 55 mins on heavy soild level with hot water on the Deep Water cycle. I watched yesterday when I washed these towels. The load was almost to the top of the basket dry, and after it filled and started to agitate the load had compressed to about 1/3 of the tub and was covered with about a inch of water, the equivalent of what a Westinghouse FL from the 80's would have used. To me the amount of water this machine uses is just right. Enough to throughly wash and rinse, but not wasteful. And I use hot water for most all loads, and it is pretty hot, I can see the steam coming through the gaps in the lid while it is filling and there is condensation on the control panel while it is filling.

My new Maytag washes and rinses at least as well or better than the 76'Maytag 806 that I used to have. Personally, I think this machine is one of the very best washers I've ever owned. And as far as the comment about excessive linting from these HE TL's, that is not my experience. I clean the dryer lint filter after every load and I find that there is no more lint than when I owned the LG FL.

I say don't knock it if you haven't tried it!
Eddie




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Post# 952610 , Reply# 28   8/11/2017 at 15:18 by washerdude (Canada )        
The Fall and Rise

I have been with a top loading style of washer for 13 strong years. Up until the day it was struggling to complete a cycle. It was a typical but famous Whirlpool Direct Drive top load but re-badged with the "Inglis" brand.

I must say seeing those clothes rollover in water like that and hearing those spray rinses on the final spin, sure looked, felt and sounded satisfying. But I did not know what clean looked like at that point. I just assumed that because clothes were submerged, and being rolled around in a soapy mix of detergent and water, meant they were getting clean.

It was always however, a mystery to why the scent of fabric softener..well never really stayed in clothes up until now. No matter how much I'd put in the smell would always hardly be in there.



I was hoping this would be the only washer we ever owned and frankly, I'd grown attachment to it over the years because of its clean-ability and reliability. It was a definite work horse that never gave up no matter what i threw at it.

Up until a certain day in 2014, where it got to the rinse cycle, went to agitate, buzzed and cutoff. It cutoff with a tub FULL of water and wet clothes. That was the day we had to run out and buy a new modern "BS" washing machine. However after a while the machine did begin to work again, and we were relieved. Up until the point we washed another load and it kept stopping in all parts of the cycle except the spin.

So that day we went out with little knowledge on modern washers. Right away we were greeted with a friendly sales person who right away lead us to a TOL Samsung top load Washer, and a TOL LG top load washer.

In my mind...this is what I saw when I looked at those washers in specific.







Just looking at the price tag of those machines and having seen and had a mental image of how those washed, it was a right away "nope." So we continued and saw A Kenmore/Whirlpool VMW based washer. That was going to be our washer but, I thought to myself, maybe we should try something new. Now with that Kenmore/Whirlpool VMW still in the back of my mind, we went on to the god forbid front loaders. I've heard all sorts of stories about how moldy they get, their broken spiders and bearings.

I saw a couple of LG's, lots of Samsung branded Kenmores, and also a couple of Frigidaires. Until I came across a certain FL, that one, had decent capacity, two, featured no more than basic options that should help us get around a load of laundry, and three was in our price range. Not to mention it was a tried and true brand "Whirlpool" which did in fact lead me to some more confidence. So I thought to myself, screw it, lets give it a try. After all if it wasn't as good or complete trash, I could return it and get that trashy VMW washer.

This day the, Whirlpool Duet WFW72HEDW was our brand new, first washer we bought. Of course until the machine came we struggled without DD TL. A week later, the machine was scheduled for delivery where the old washer got taken out of our home and the new "BS" washer entered out laundry room for the first time in 13 years.

I ran through typical installation process, remove the shipping bolts, leveling flushing hoses. I hit the power button and it played a playful tune, a unique one too. I've only ever heard the tones of a LG,Samsung, Older WP FL's and Frigidaires, so I was curious to hear the tone it would make.

I ran a quick wash cycle empty and to my surprise it really was quick..Only 20 minutes and not the displayed 26 Minutes. After I ran a small load in the quick wash cycle and thought, this washer might be okay after all.

A couple of days later I decided to use the dreaded Normal cycle. And to my surprise, it actually worked very nicely, low wash waters but HIGH rinse levels. Not to mention I got 2 rinses instead of only 1 like before. The cycle time on the Normal cycle ranged from 35-50 minutes. Those 50 minute loads were my fault as i'd sometimes throw in towels which I no longer do. Those towels would cause the washer to spin much longer than needed due to the weight.

A couple of loads later I noticed white clothes in specific... WERE BRIGHTER and WHITER. I did not recall washing those with bleach and infact they came out much whiter than with bleach in our old DD TL. I was impressed. I threw comforters at it, towels you name it. The FL like our old TL, was a workhorse. It never gave up and always finished the cycle successfully no matter what. Just recently I washed a load of towels on the normal cycle with extra rinse selected. The cycle completed with 3 rinses all in 42 Minutes. 42. Not 2,3,4, hours. I've NEVER owned a machine that could do that. Ever. Not even my old DD TL.

Going in, I was an EXTREME skeptic about FL's. Now my FL will turn 3 years next month. I'm happy to say it cleans BETTER than my DD TL, most of the time as fast or even quicker. No parts have been replaced, and best part, NO MOLD OR SMELLS. Only the scent of fabric softener in clothes and a mild scent of detergent in the tub.

Looking more carefully at the wash action, clothes rub together, which mimics the old fashioned way of rubbing clothes and using a wash board.

FL's pack the old method of washing clothes, into a machine form.

While my old WP DD TL will always hold a place in my mind, It also does pain me quite a bit that I have to say goodbye to my WP Duet 72' FL in a couple of months as we are moving :(

Do I think TL are the best?
No.
Do I think modern TL's are better.
Hell No. Or at least, not as good as their predecessors. However modern TL's are definitely improving significantly model by model.
Will I be switching to a TL ever again?
Most likley, No. MAYBE if its a vintage Maytag. I've only ever got my hands one those a couple of times at a Coin-Op place.

I speak all of this off of experience.





Post# 952625 , Reply# 29   8/11/2017 at 17:07 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

There are good front loaders out there, and they might clean as well as a top loader, but I have had a bad experience with them, witch might explain why I don't like front loaders. The only good top load washer that is made today, would be a Speed Queen.

Post# 952644 , Reply# 30   8/12/2017 at 05:52 by retro-man (nashua,nh)        

I think what keeps me from liking the new HE top loaders is looking at the size of the drum and how little the loads are. I see a drum that size and I want to fill it up. What happened to the 18 lb. loads we got so used to doing? These all seem to work well swishing 5 lbs. of laundry around. I can see doing 4 loads in these compared to 1 in a front loader or an older style machine. Whirlpools commercials on TV are a prime example of this. A kid poops himself or barfs on a parent and 1 outfit is thrown in. They do this multiple times a day. That machine is running 4 to 5 hours a day washing such a minimum amount of clothes. They never show any of these machines I feel with a normal large load. I guess there must be a reason why.

Jon


Post# 952655 , Reply# 31   8/12/2017 at 11:12 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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we could have a field day with that one alone.....washer size, versus loads washed....

just to be clear, these TL HE machines will wash a huge load, no question about that...

and interesting how from the 60'/70's, we went from machines that only washed full size loads, to wanting variable water levels for smaller loads....

trying to wrap my brain around the concept of needing such a huge machine....most larger families got along with smaller capacities...

and also, paying upwards of 3000.00 for a set, to wash ONE comforter!...what?, maybe every two months.......a laundromat would cost roughly 10 to 12 dollars?....

having two king size beds myself, a standard 3 cuft washer, to a perfectly matched (double the size of the washers capacity) 7 cuft dryer......that is all you need!

todays HE machines need full size loads to balance correctly, and for the dryers sensors to sense the load as well....

but yeah, I do know people who will use a standard full size machine, full water levels, to wash one outfit at a time!

with that kind of thought process....makes you wonder why these families don't drive a school bus to cart around 2 kids and groceries!...

just thoughts of making purchases within your budget and practical needs....


Post# 952658 , Reply# 32   8/12/2017 at 12:25 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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I routinely wash full capacity loads in my Maytag Centinnial with an agipeller it handles these loads beautifully. We have a cal king bed and I can wash our heaviest bedspreads, comforters and blankets with ease, using the Bulky cycle.

All the other loads that are mixed small and large items are washed either using the Powerwash or Deep Water cycles, which also perform excellently. The amount of water used in these cycle is equivalent to the amount of water FL's used to use before governement regulatory intervention.

I used to be a big proponent of FL's and have owned 6 different FL's over my lifetime. The last one, an LG was a big disappointment for me. The only way I could get a sufficient amt of water was to use the Bulky cycle with water plus option,but them I was limited to med or slow spins speeds, so the superior extraction qualities of an FL's were compromised. After the cycle was complete, I would then need to run a separate spin cycle on high or extra high. To me the was just too much monkey business in order to enjoy the advantage of max extraction, and defeated the whole purpose of having an automatic washer.

If I need to babysit a washing machine to get what I want and need from it I may as well be using a wringer washer and get my whole weeks wash done in an hour, just sayin. But since I don't have the room for a laundry tub, or a bathroom big enough to roll a wringer washer to the tub for rinsing I'm limited to having an automatic. My Maytag HE TL suits me just fine.

Eddie


Post# 952695 , Reply# 33   8/12/2017 at 23:09 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

The real reason why people want HE washers, is they have a larger capacity. Traditional top load automatic washers don't have the biggest capacity, but that was back in the day when you separated everything from whites, to colors, to delicates, to permanent press, and by the time you separated everything, you did not need to have a washer with a huge tub! Speed Queen top load washers of today have the largest capacity for a traditional top load automatic washer, and are simple to use! I would rather wash my large, bulky bedding at the laundromat, then spend $3,000.00 on a washer and dryer that has the largest capacity!

Post# 952703 , Reply# 34   8/13/2017 at 04:42 by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Speed Queen top load washers of today have the largest capacity for a traditional top load automatic washer ...
Not true. There's a deep-fill agitator toploader available that's rated for 22 pounds capacity.


Post# 952738 , Reply# 35   8/13/2017 at 11:46 by brucelucenta (tulsa, oklahoma)        

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I think it all boils down to preference and what you really want. Honestly, the reason I bought the LG made front load set I have was because it would actually wash a king size feather and down comforter and the dryer will dry it. I didn't want to go to the laundromat anymore because I consider that time wasted when I could be doing something else and it seemed silly to spend upwards of $20 every time I took it. Regardless of what anyone says, front loaders do a better job with bulky, heavy items like this and do a good job of cleaning and rinsing it. Consumer reports pointed that out in the 50's. In top load machines stuff like that tends to float and never get completely wet. The Maytag machine it replaced was not even capable of moving it around in the tub. I also think that HE top loaders simply cannot do the same job with a really huge capacity load. I have watched many videos of them and my machine will not only hold more, it does a much better job of washing, rinsing and extracting water from the clothes with NO lint problem at all. So for those who want to rave on about their HE top loaders, good luck to you. They just cannot do the same job a front load machine does with the same amount of water by DESIGN. Top load machine require much more water to do the same thing as a front loader does. They have managed to make HE top loaders that will do what some consider an adequate job and to many that is good enough. I have seen no evidence of that myself though.

Post# 952753 , Reply# 36   8/13/2017 at 13:42 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

HE top load washers are terrible! If they made front load washers with mechanical timers and controls, I would not mind having a front loader, but it is that electronic crap I don't like! I don't understand why they have to electronics on EVERYTHING, that is very annoying!!

Post# 952761 , Reply# 37   8/13/2017 at 14:09 by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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I love my Calypso!


Post# 952762 , Reply# 38   8/13/2017 at 14:12 by henene4 (Germany)        
Electronics

Cheap, flexibel, far more versatile. Cram a load sensing system into a pure timer mechanism. Oh wait, AFAIK that is impossible.

Post# 952783 , Reply# 39   8/13/2017 at 17:59 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

I will say that the Whirlpool Calypso is a interesting HE top loader, and cleans better than most HE top loaders. Top Load washers will always be, The True Althentic Automatic Washer. Front load washers are not as automatic (except for vintage front loaders) as a Top Load Automatic Washer.

Post# 952785 , Reply# 40   8/13/2017 at 18:05 by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Maytag85: Front load washers are not as automatic (except for vintage front loaders) as a Top Load Automatic Washer.
In what way is that? I had a Duet for a few weeks for testing after repairs. Load clothes, add detergent, select cycle, press Start. A while later take out clean clothes, transfer to dryer. Same process as any toploader. A frontloader would be my choice if I had to buy a new washer tomorrow.


Post# 952791 , Reply# 41   8/13/2017 at 18:37 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

Front loaders are automatic washers, but the front loader my folks bought I never trusted. It got off balance to the point where it would begin to jump, and and would move (yes the leveling feet were leveled) and it was scary! Top load washers get laundry done faster, than a front loader. Vintage front loaders are just as fast as a traditional top load washer. If I were to buy a new washing machine, it would be a Speed Queen top load washer. Speed Queen is the only company left that builds traditional top load washers.

Post# 952796 , Reply# 42   8/13/2017 at 19:22 by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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"Maytag85: Front loaders are automatic washers, but the front loader my folks bought I never trusted. It got off balance to the point where it would begin to jump, and and would move (yes the leveling feet were leveled) and it was scary!"
To the contrary, the majority of frontloaders nowadays are overly sensitive to spin balancing to the point that they'll reduce the speed or abort completely instead of allowing the tub to impact the cabinet.


Post# 952798 , Reply# 43   8/13/2017 at 20:30 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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may not be everyones cup of tea....

but many FLers now hold up to three times the amount of what a traditional TLer would...

so if it were to take roughly 35 minutes to wash one load in a regular machine...times that by 3....your well over an hour and a half in time frame...that's also 3 times the amount of hot water and detergent....

factor in a wash and three rinses....plus a higher spin speed for less drying time

for some areas, water and sewer rates are outrageously expensive....saving where they can is a priority....


Post# 952803 , Reply# 44   8/13/2017 at 21:04 by washerdude (Canada )        

(automatic)
*(of a device or process) working by itself with little or no direct human control.*


My laundry process:

Sort laundry
Toss into washer
*PRESS START*
-Walk Away-
*RETURN WHEN IT PLAYS ITS TUNES-
-Toss wet load into dryer, start dryer, walk away-
-Remove dried laundry when dryer stops, fold/iron, store-
End.

I carried that procedure over from my old TL.


Post# 952967 , Reply# 45   8/15/2017 at 05:32 by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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There is nobody who will "convert"me to a top loading washer. As you may know,My opinion from experience with many local and foreign made front loading and top loading washers is in favor of the fls. No agitator blades that wear and tare fabrics,less water,detergent,bleach,fabric softener and electricity. Fewer moving parts and/or a direct drive mechanism. The many I've had once brought back to life lasted me years with few,if any,repairs. I take care and maintain my machines teaching those who use them how to correctly use them. The doors of the washers stay ajat when not in use and do not get mildewed. My worst ones being the Neptunes. The best ones being the LGs. I've tinted fabrics,washed area rugs,car mats,shoes,pillows,stuffed teddy bears and table cloths with great results and no drama. Every top loading washer I've had tore up fabrics and left bleach marks on my clothes. They didn't spin as fast and I always had to use the second rinse for clear rinse water and no excess suds. They're quieter and more fun to watch. If I worked for EL, the front loaders they produce would have the same body design as the older Laundromats did but with the direct drive and a stainless steel inner and outer tub.

Post# 952986 , Reply# 46   8/15/2017 at 07:55 by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Washed 15 shirts in my Calypso yesterday. 44 mins, including the standard 5 rinses. 107F wash, cold rinse. 4 tbsp Persil 2-in-1, 2 tbsp STPP, light dose of Snuggle lavender softener. Dried perfectly on auto-sensor.


Post# 952992 , Reply# 47   8/15/2017 at 08:56 by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
like it or not wasing machhines have change

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i can officaly say that washing machines have officaly change the last old fashion top load washer is speed queen but how long before they decide to start making he top load washers sure they have the timer dial on there 432 model but mostly these days everything is electronic it also makes me wonder what will the washer dryer model line front load or top load will be in 2018 because models change over the year so what is top of the line today might be replace by newer model next year take for exemple the maytag frontload washer model 8200 5.2 capacaty might be the top of the line front load today but will it be in 2018 or will it be redesign that is to be seen

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Post# 953025 , Reply# 48   8/15/2017 at 14:37 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

If it says Newtion Iowa, then it is a Maytag. If it doesn't say Newrion Iowa, then it is NOT a Maytag!!

Post# 953029 , Reply# 49   8/15/2017 at 15:49 by brucelucenta (tulsa, oklahoma)        

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Is Newtion or Newrion anywhere close to Newton Iowa?

Post# 953030 , Reply# 50   8/15/2017 at 16:19 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I thought Fig Newton's came from there!....


I chuckle when reading those ads for warranties on these machines.....10 year limited on the DDmotor and stainless tub....that's a joke, put the warranty where it will matter...boards and seals/bearings!


Post# 953032 , Reply# 51   8/15/2017 at 16:50 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

Those HE washers have a 10 year warranty on the motor, but the electronics is what usually goes bad first. Speed Queen is the only company who builds their machines with a life time warranty on the inner and outer tub, and has a better than any other washer sold today. A Speed Queen doesn't cost as much as those fancy Samsung and LG top load washers, and they have the best warranty in the industry, and they are built to last!

Post# 953034 , Reply# 52   8/15/2017 at 16:58 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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SQ is good....and most preferred....

but as with anything made, your going to have a few glitches along the way.....

go back and search as we have a few members who would question that SQ warranty, and what they had to go through to get that warranty to cover their product....

a true test of a warranty, like insurance, is wait until you need/use it, then see what happens!...some are good with it, some are not....

best never to assume anything!


Post# 953060 , Reply# 53   8/16/2017 at 05:17 by brucelucenta (tulsa, oklahoma)        

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Reading through all this makes me wonder what planet at least one member is from.....

Post# 953163 , Reply# 54   8/17/2017 at 00:13 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Yep, gotta agree...


Post# 953257 , Reply# 55   8/17/2017 at 15:54 by brucelucenta (tulsa, oklahoma)        

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I like Fig newtons!!!!!

Post# 953260 , Reply# 56   8/17/2017 at 16:09 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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ohhhh...try them dipped in chocolate!

Post# 953271 , Reply# 57   8/17/2017 at 17:05 by Maytag85 (25 miles from Idywild, 25 miles from Temecula. )        

You can buy Fig Newtons from Aldi for 98c a package, or less than that. Aldi is one of my favorite places to shop, things are so much cheaper at Aldi!

Post# 953272 , Reply# 58   8/17/2017 at 17:05 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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to sum things up....

Bill Engvall----"Here's Your Sign!".....


I have a box of those signs here somewhere......





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