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Thread Number: 72003
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
The Ariel Saga |
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| Post# 952381 8/9/2017 at 18:51 (2,451 days old) by amyofescobar (oregon) | ||
Just thought I'd make a mirror thread of sorts to what's been going on at Houzz. Tl;dr is that someone tested a Mexican Ariel package and it was positive for phosphates.
ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/470... I'm currently also ordering a test kit for my Ariel. Both our Mexican marts have it, I'm in rural Oregon. Seems that P&G isn't quite on the ball with their previous statement... Anyways, I saw the Tide post from earlier, but I thought I'd make this thread. I'm intensely interested in what goes down here in the months/years to come. | ||
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Post# 952389 , Reply# 1 8/9/2017 at 19:35 (2,451 days old) by Frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Whoops! Should have posted my Ariel purchase here rather than the Mexican Tide thread.
Not having used it for years, I was glad to see the color-speckled blue powder and the intoxicating scent of crushed-up Sweet-Tarts remained unchanged. Am assuming it is phosphate-free, which isn't a problem in softened water. Suggested dosage: 1 cup for normal loads; 1-1/2 cups for extra large/heavily soiled. Looking forward to the results of your phosphate tests, amyofescobar! 
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| Post# 952396 , Reply# 2 8/9/2017 at 20:16 (2,451 days old) by amyofescobar (oregon) | ||
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@Frigilux on the Tide thread you said you got yours at Walmart? And in Spanish? And it's blue? Strange.............
Here are photos that I posted in the Houzz thread. To my eye, it looks identical to the OP who got their's tested. I also noticed that some were able to find the manufacture dates for their bags. How do you do that? Does it have to do with the serial number? I'm currently part of a Chemistry chat server on Discord, so I'll be asking them how to do a good test. What's been mentioned so far is something called a magnesium test. In the presence of magnesium (and ammonia mixed in I think), a phosphate salt solution with turn cloudy. However, since the detergent has several components to it, this might prove a difficult testing method. Maybe the aquarium test strips would work, but again, we are introducing quite a lot of different components here. Does anyone know how much a lab analysis costs? I might just do that. But I think it would be fun to come up with a cheap, reliable way for all of use across the country to test our batches! Teehee! This is such a strange phenomenon, I wonder if P&G agents read any of these forums... | ||
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Post# 952397 , Reply# 3 8/9/2017 at 20:47 (2,451 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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The Walmart I shop at is in a town with a huge Hispanic population. They carry Roma, Foca, Ariel and Blanca Nieves. Had never seen Blanca Nieves, but a baby was pictured on the front of the package, so I thought it might be for baby laundry. Have never tried Foca or Roma.
Haven't used Mexican detergents for years as sudsing was an issue with the HE front-loaders. Now that I have a decidedly non-HE Speed Queen top loader, will have to explore a good Mexican grocery store some time soon. I'd love to find Viva, Ace, 1-2-3, and whatever else is on the market. | ||
| Post# 952398 , Reply# 4 8/9/2017 at 20:56 (2,451 days old) by amyofescobar (oregon) | ||
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| Post# 952420 , Reply# 6 8/9/2017 at 23:11 (2,451 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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| Post# 952422 , Reply# 7 8/9/2017 at 23:21 (2,451 days old) by amyofescobar (oregon) | ||
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John, what do you mean by vast? | ||
| Post# 952458 , Reply# 8 8/10/2017 at 04:12 (2,450 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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| Post# 952460 , Reply# 9 8/10/2017 at 05:08 (2,450 days old) by dixan (Europe) | ||
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Oh my god, this Ariel is blue! I have never seen blue powder in my life. Doesn't it stain the clothes? | ||
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Post# 952465 , Reply# 10 8/10/2017 at 05:50 (2,450 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Blue Ariel / Staining Clothes: The instructions say to let the detergent dissolve while machine is filling, then add the load. No recall of doing that and don't remember staining problems with loads of white bath towels, bed linens, or kitchen / personal whites. Guess I'll find out today when I wash a load of bath towels.
I always put detergent in the empty tub, add the load and then start the machine. That allows for more accuracy when choosing a water level on the SQ. As with many electronic control panels, this one doesn't allow you to change settings after pressing start--although you can easily cancel the cycle, then reset the controls if needed. Amyofescobar-- Is the Ariel you purchased a white powder? | ||
| Post# 952489 , Reply# 12 8/10/2017 at 09:26 (2,450 days old) by amyofescobar (oregon) | ||
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| Post# 952490 , Reply# 13 8/10/2017 at 09:32 (2,450 days old) by amyofescobar (oregon) | ||
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Post# 952499 , Reply# 14 8/10/2017 at 10:43 (2,450 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Thanks for the info and clarification, amyofescobar. I've seen the white Ariel before and was thrilled the bag I purchased was the classic aqua blue with multi-colored specks and had the scent I refer to as crushed Sweet-Tarts. Maybe I need to hustle back to the same Walmart and pick up a couple more bags of the 'classic' version before they're gone.
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| Post# 952501 , Reply# 15 8/10/2017 at 11:09 (2,450 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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| Post# 952502 , Reply# 16 8/10/2017 at 11:14 (2,450 days old) by amyofescobar (oregon) | ||
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| Post# 952503 , Reply# 17 8/10/2017 at 11:42 (2,450 days old) by dixan (Europe) | ||
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Wow, blue Ariel and it doesn't stain the clothes! I want one! I bet it smells gorgeous. Is it suitable for European machines? | ||
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Post# 952507 , Reply# 18 8/10/2017 at 12:41 (2,450 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Foca is the Mexican version of Rinso-Blu. The bluing makes whites look brighter. Roma is the only one of the Mexican detergents I have been disappointed with. It makes lots of suds, however,cleaning ability is not so good,IMO. I'm glad I stocked-up on all my favorites before the phosphates were removed. | ||
| Post# 952521 , Reply# 19 8/10/2017 at 13:42 (2,450 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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I guess I mean vastly different, as in, it seems their formulas are different; different looks, colors etc. Phosphate, no phosphate. Different perfumes etc.
Blue speckled powder? Yea that's different. It makes sense though, it was mentioned that maybe it's because Latin America does a lot of hand washing still, along with different styles of machines. | ||
| Post# 952522 , Reply# 20 8/10/2017 at 13:45 (2,450 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa) | ||
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Listen folks none of these Mexican detergents are suited for HE machines including Mexican or US Ariel . They are sudsy. I do know a few people with HE washers that are able to use Mexican Ariel but most can't. I just felt it worth mentioning. | ||
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Post# 952616 , Reply# 22 8/11/2017 at 16:18 (2,449 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"Listen folks none of these Mexican detergents are suited for HE machines including Mexican or US Ariel . "
Well that would depend on what you mean by "HE" washing machines. Persons have been using Tide and other regular high foaming detergents in commercial/laundromat front loaders for ages; long before anyone thought about "HE" washing machines. Standard advice was simply to use less detergent (about 1/4 for a 18lb load). Of course such machines nearly always have dump valves; so excess froth choking a pump isn't an issue. Will give you that with today's front loaders being so miserly with water usage a clean rinsing detergent, and or at least one with low froth levels seems mandatory. This being said there are plenty of so called "HE" detergents on shelves (that Persil made by Henkel sold in USA comes to mind) that create suds in levels that rival some Mexican detergents. | ||
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