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Post# 952400   8/9/2017 at 21:03 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

I recently changed to Persil from Arm & Hammer, I started to notice that my clothing felt kind of sticky after washing and drying, which I didn't experienced with Arm & Hammer. I'd like to hear about your experience with Persil and some other detergents




Post# 952419 , Reply# 1   8/9/2017 at 23:07 by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I've just finished up my first bottle of Persil 10 in 1 tonight. Been using it for a couple months in my Maytag FL.
The smell was a tad strong for me, but in my machine, and with my soft water, I was dosing it on the low end for light and normal loads. And it's been one of the best detergents I've ever used.
Definitely in the Top 3 for me along with Tide HE and Method detergents.

Sorry to hear it's leaving film on your clothes!

What I've learned from my own house, and many posts on here......is that water chemistry seems to have a huge differential effect on peoples' results. Even if we're talking about the same detergents and same machines. But different towns, and different water sources really cause diverse results it seems.


Post# 952424 , Reply# 2   8/9/2017 at 23:51 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

I don't know if Henkel uses the same formula for Persil in every country that they sell it, I will attach some pictures of Mexican Persil at the end. I've gone before with some other HE detergents made by Henkel here in Mexico and this is the first time I experience something like this.

Water here in Baja is hard as nails, ground is full of minerals that get into the water so that results in very hard water, water gets filtered and treated for human consumption, it's even safe to drink from the tap but its flavor isn't that nice because of the incredibly high amount of minerals in the water.

Tonight I made a few loads and cut the dosage to half of what I was using, the film in clothes isn't there but I feel like laundry didn't get completely clean, as dosing instructions in the bottle says: 4/5 of the cap for 4-5kg of laundry and 1 capful for 6-7kg. My washer is a 3.1 cubic ft. Kenmore (yeah, a Fridgemore) so we're talking about more water per load as newer HE front loaders.



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Post# 952517 , Reply# 3   8/10/2017 at 13:25 by Wishwash (Illinois)        

As I can't stand the smell of Persil, I save my bottle of it for cleaning rags which always come out feeling a bit soapy and sticky. Not sure if a second rinse would change that.

Post# 952527 , Reply# 4   8/10/2017 at 14:28 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I will admit, it smells good, even after the dryer.....

and even after three rinses, the first detergent I came across that I have an allergy to.....go figure.....you could be on to something left behind in the clothing......sheets and towels are fine, just some reaction to clothing I wear....

water hardness and Ph levels can have odd reactions, for me, it has to do with scents, if my tanks are out of whack, no matter what detergent/scent you use, there is nothing left behind....

especially the Ph tanks, who knew it would cancel out scents?


Post# 952534 , Reply# 5   8/10/2017 at 17:09 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

I love the smell of Persil too, and I actually think it is an awesome detergent once you figured out the amount you have to use for your laundry to get clean and without that sticky film it leaves.

I'm gonna keep experimenting with detergent dosage until I find out the right amount, or just give up on Persil and change my detergent. Anyone can tell how good is Costco Kirkland detergent?


Post# 952931 , Reply# 6   8/14/2017 at 20:30 by jocks54 (Danbury Connecticut)        

I can't believe how little amount of Persil I need in my SQ front loader. We don't have really dirty clothes either.(Lots of synthethic fabrics) I never use Fab Soft and have never noticed a residue or lingering odor. Whites towels and sheets I use oxy and vinegar as my softner.

Post# 952947 , Reply# 7   8/14/2017 at 22:24 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

I reduced the dosage because I don't have really dirty clothes either, my other theory is that my fabric softener is leaving that residue, but it began after I switched to Persil. I'm gonna give it a try doing a load with no fabric softener and I'll tell you the results...

Post# 953045 , Reply# 8   8/15/2017 at 23:44 by superocd (PNW)        
I like Persil but I have a sudsing problem...

...with only two or three tablespoons worth (I use the Persil liquid). It smells great but it is visibly sudsy. Anything that contains fill, such as mattress pad or pillows, cannot be washed with Persil because the machine will "froth", go into suds lock and will never spin. I learned the hard way and dumped my soaking wet pillows into a Sterilite tote, hosing all of the detergent out.

Mind you, I run a clean cycle once a month and never overdose detergent. Sometimes oversudsing is a carryover from previous cycles, as in a film stuck to the cylinder and the outer drum. However, it was not the case. I only had the issue with 2-3 tbsp. of Persil.

For workwear, workout clothes and general "clothes" it works OK. Just avoid anything with any kind of fill. I have a small library of detergents (all powder except the Persil) though: Arm & Hammer, my (gasp!) last box of Sears Ultra Plus and a pail of Huracan 40. I have a bag of Roma from when I had my early-2000s Kenmore 90 Series traditional top loader. It's in my service van at work, I use it for hand cleaner, better than Gojo.


Post# 953090 , Reply# 9   8/16/2017 at 12:30 by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Is Henkel's "Viva" detergent still available in Mexico? That was a fantastic detergent. I'm pretty sure they still make 1-2-3, but it doesn't have the same cleaning power for clothes.

Post# 953098 , Reply# 10   8/16/2017 at 14:19 by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Yeah, Persil liquid relies on careful dosing and thorough rinsing. Not my favorite liquid.

Persil powder OTOH is out of this world! Too bad they discontinued it. They imported it in from some eastern European country.


Post# 953104 , Reply# 11   8/16/2017 at 14:59 by jerrod6 (United States of America)        
Persil 2n1 10 demensions of clean

This is the third version of 2n1 liquid and it seems like the rinsing has been improved.

This load was washed using the suggested amount of 59ml or line 2. This is the first rinse.


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Post# 953110 , Reply# 12   8/16/2017 at 15:38 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I have two 150 oz. jugs of 2-in-1 "10 Dimensions" but haven't yet used it.

I did a load of 15 shirts in my Calypso couple days ago, used 1/4 cup (4 tablespoons, 60ML) of 2-in-1 regular (not 10 Dimensions) with two tablespoons of STPP.  Minimal sudsing, clear rinse.


Post# 953129 , Reply# 13   8/16/2017 at 17:41 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

Peter: Yes, Viva is still available and it is totally awesome. I stopped using it not because I disliked it, because it is a little bit more expensive than Persil and didnt last that long (comparing to Persil). I asked a friend who started using Persil liquid since it came out in Mexico, about his experience with it... he said he's totally good with it, the difference is that he has a Whirlpool direct drive top loader so that means... water to wash and rinse.

Superocd: I ran a clean cycle after rising the water level two inches in my washer, from 3 inches to 5 inches, and a hell of suds came out. I was actually surprised with he amount foam created with just cold water (the water I used to measure the new water level), after that I ran one with hot water and chlorine bleach.



Post# 953509 , Reply# 14   8/19/2017 at 07:47 by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

I wish Henkel had used the same dosing instructions in North America as they do in Germany and other countries. The instructions are broken down by water hardness and soil level which I think is better than telling people what to use for regular or large loads which are the common instructions used here. It helps get a better dosing pattern going from the start.

After using German Persil for so long I am in the habit of dosing by soil level plus the amount of clothes in each level. It saves money too.



Post# 953515 , Reply# 15   8/19/2017 at 08:38 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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By and large I doubt the typical consumer has a clue how to judge soil level or has detailed info about his water hardness.


Post# 953518 , Reply# 16   8/19/2017 at 08:49 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

I do! 😇 and use detergent accordingly lol

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Post# 953535 , Reply# 17   8/19/2017 at 10:16 by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        

The German Persil liquid requires a substantially larger dose than the North American formulas, which seem to be much more concentrated, perhaps for old school toploader owners. The 2-in-1 requires a larger dose than the Original liquid and is less prone to oversudsing. (Notice the number of loads is fewer on the 2-in-1 bottle than the Original). The Original liquid is very concentrated and will oversuds if overdosed; it's amazing how little is needed. The Power Pearls definitely clean and whiten the best and truly deliver dazzling whites.

After much experimentation I've concluded Persil (all formulas) outcleans and outbrightens Tide Original HE Turbo liquid and powder, gets stains out better, and definitely rinses out easier than Tide. But proper dosing is key. JMO -- laundry seems to be highly subjective.

I wish Yankee Candle would make a Persil-scented candle. It's such an intriguing, complex scent. With an extra rinse or two, however, there is little to no scent left in laundry.

In any event, I don't see the Original scent catching on here, and it looks like Persil is going to have to offer different scents to get a foothold. Could be Persil's scent would appeal to men more than women. Most Americans seem to like simple and strong scents in the fruity and floral realm, like Gain and Tide. Or else they don't think there are any significant differences in detergents and just want something cheap like Extra or Purex.

I'd be curious to see people's opinions about color retention with Persil compared to Tide, Cheer, Gain, Woolite... I've tried Perwool regular and dark and don't think ithey're any better than Woolite formulas for cleaning or color retention.


Post# 953564 , Reply# 18   8/19/2017 at 12:00 by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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I think they turned down the scent by offering the "clean linen" or "fresh linen" scent. Which is a good thing, since most people complain that the scent is too loud. I don't care for the scent myself; glad I stocked up on the Power Pearls before they disappeared completely. The scent is the same, but probably at a 50% less than the liquids.
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Has anyone used the white, sensitive formula? The enzymes in it are slightly different, and would use it if it cleans as well as the scented formulas...


Post# 953622 , Reply# 19   8/19/2017 at 18:03 by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

I see the clean linen scent on the web site. Never seen it in any store I go to and it doesn't seem to be in the 2n1 line.

Maybe just change the scent to something pleasant and non defining but subtle.


Post# 953653 , Reply# 20   8/19/2017 at 23:22 by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
It is truly amazing what a difference

water chemistry makes. I don't think I use even a tablespoon of 2-in-1 in my SQ FL. And with the Original I just pour it until it's a little bigger than a quarter. And that's with a Culligan water softener. With an extra rinse there's only a barely detectable scent left in clothes. Barely anything.

But today I did some laundry for my mother in a different State, old school full fill top loader, harder water, no water softener, and I ended up pouring in more than 2/3 of a cap before I was satisfied. The water was slippery by then but still no suds until some faint suds started after 15 minutes. Even with a second rinse the scent was very strong. It filled her 1 BR apartment and the clothes smelled strongly. It smells so good.

Anyway it's amazing how the dose can vary depending on water quality, machine, load size and soil level.


Post# 953654 , Reply# 21   8/19/2017 at 23:29 by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
And

It got some pretty dirty clothes sparkling clean with no fading despite the hard water.

It's a truly amazing product, JMO


Post# 953692 , Reply# 22   8/20/2017 at 12:22 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        
Update...

So yesterday I did a small load with some clothes I wore on Friday night out, I used 1/8 of the cap for a small load and suds still being a problem, even in the final rinse it looked like the main wash... The funny part is that clothes didn't come out too sticky, as usual but I can bet that if I rinse them again I will still get detergent out.

Post# 953728 , Reply# 23   8/20/2017 at 17:47 by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

From the looks of the green liquid and your container it might not be the same formula Persil that is being sold to all of the USA. USA Persil is blue and in a different bottle.

I've tried German liquid Persil Universal and it is Soo sudsy in my water so as to be unseable for me.

The blue liquid is different.


Post# 953739 , Reply# 24   8/20/2017 at 19:38 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

I've seen the blue liquid sold in the US, I think it is a different formula too; the green gel has a high grade of viscosity, which I think is what makes it harder to rinse out from laundry.

Post# 953773 , Reply# 25   8/21/2017 at 02:12 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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You asked above about Costco's Kirkland detergent.  A few years ago Consumer Reports rated it higher than Tide here in the States.  I used it for a long time in my Asko front loader.  The only reason I stopped was that I no longer have a Costco membership.  Whether it's still the same formula today I do not know.


Post# 953780 , Reply# 26   8/21/2017 at 05:09 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Persil shown above is "German" not the "Dial"

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Sells here in USA

Green is the color of Persil Kraft "Universal" gel sold in Germany and elsewhere, as PeterH points out the stuff sold here in blue.

To make matters more confusing Persil gel from Germany for colors is blue.

Other tidbits:

Have noticed Persil sold in other markets outside of Germany/Europe have "German technology" written in whatever native language product is sold. Have seen Persil offered in Saudi Arabia, UAE and so forth with same marketing. One does wonder where the stuff is made.

To OP; all Persil gel/liquid products are high in surfactants; that is what gives them their good cleaning ability. Sadly as with any other liquid cleaners using to much and you'll have a hard time rinsing.


Post# 953786 , Reply# 27   8/21/2017 at 07:31 by MrAlex (London, UK)        

Being an Ariel detergent user (My grandmother, my mother, and moi) I'm loving the Ariel Excel Gel we have here in UK. It's supposedly good in a 15c/59F wash all the way up to 60c/140F. The one I'm using at the moment is the one with Febreze. I don't know if you guys in the US can find it over there but if you do, try it! :) 


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Post# 953909 , Reply# 28   8/21/2017 at 19:43 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

Askolover: The same Costco Kirkland detergent that is sold in the US is sold in Mexico, that's why I was asking about it, I think I might give it a shot and see how it turns out.

Launderess: So do you think I might be able to deal with the residue problem if I try with Persil powder?

MrAlex: Ariel is one of the most popular detergents in Mexico, and it a really good detergent, the deal with it is that is one of the most expensive detergents you can buy.


Post# 953929 , Reply# 29   8/21/2017 at 21:53 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Have not had the suds issues with Persil (from Germany) powders and megaperls one can have with their gel formulas.

Post# 953933 , Reply# 30   8/21/2017 at 22:37 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
Persil

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That's funny, I had a hard time dosing with softened water using either German pearls or American liquid.  The pods did fine though...but I've gone back to Tide and Gain for a while (got a great deal at Big Lots). But I do love the smell of Persil!


Post# 953934 , Reply# 31   8/21/2017 at 22:42 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
For The Record

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We've had this discussion at least once before:
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Post# 953942 , Reply# 32   8/22/2017 at 00:06 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

Launderess: I will definitely try powder then, and thank you for the thread, I'll check it out right now :)

Post# 954838 , Reply# 33   8/27/2017 at 12:56 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        
Update...

I got Persil powder and it did give nice results, got a little sudsy but rinsed out beautifully and there's no sticky film in my clothes... Looks like powder isn't HE so I put 1/4 cup of detergent for a large load and everything came out fresh and clean.

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Post# 954910 , Reply# 34   8/27/2017 at 19:28 by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

As far as I know all German Persil is He It's just not marked as such. Persil powder is not sold to the USA. If we want it we have get get it from other countries.



Post# 954917 , Reply# 35   8/27/2017 at 21:05 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

This is the Persil powder sold in Mexico, liquid does have the HE symbol but powder doesn't and suds up more than liquid, so I think this detergent is not HE...
Even when it suds up more than liquid rinse results are pretty good.


Post# 954957 , Reply# 36   8/28/2017 at 02:45 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Again

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You will not find "HE" on any Henkel/Persil that is sold/marketed in Europe.
That concept does not exist outside of United States or perhaps North America. In Germany as with much of Europe nearly all detergents are suited for the main type of washing machine design sold on that side of the pond; H-axis.

If Henkel is slapping "HE" on Persil packets sold outside of Europe, then it tells one that the detergent is being marketed differently than say in Germany.



Henkel introduced Persil to Mexico in 2011. That is one of the few Latin American markets Henkel owns the brand rights for Persil. Nearly everywhere else is Unilever's territory.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persil...


www.persil.com.mx/inico.cky.htmlQ...

As have said Henkel has been on a tear setting up new markets for Persil. The key give away always seems to be some marketing blurb about "Germany Technology" in whatever native language.

The powder shown in above pictures looks exactly like the Persil one purchased off eBay last year in a box with Arabic writing. Where Henkel is making all these different versions of Persil for foreign markets one does not know.

It is interesting that Henkel only released a "cold water active" version of Persil in Canada and Mexico, skipping over the USA.











Post# 955221 , Reply# 37   8/29/2017 at 21:12 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        

Omg, I didn't remember those tv commercials until now... but well, I think I'm gonna stay going with Persil powder, it gave me excellent results in every way, just wished it was a bit less sudsy but my final rinse is almost clear so I'm okay with it.

Post# 957917 , Reply# 38   9/17/2017 at 20:39 by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        
Update

Persil powder is way too awesome, I did a whites load this afternoon and this are my results.

This is my lab coat, it had a grey-ish color caused by not using a good detergent, but today, after a hot wash with Persil universal powder... looks better than brand new.


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