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Which furnace brands used the "Upshot" Burners in their furnaces?
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Post# 955218   8/29/2017 at 20:39 by appliancedude16 (Sunnyvale,California, U.S.A)        

Hi everyone,

I'm just curious which brands put the "Upshot" burners in their furnaces,

this is the type of "Upshot" burner I'm talking about,
For example,

This furnace in this video has one.

Here's the link for the video,


Post# 955244 , Reply# 1   8/30/2017 at 01:29 by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

That was a common style conversion burner for old coal boilers and furnaces. I believe they were common on low boy natural gas furnaces like the one you see there too. I couldn't name brands specifically since I've never really seen any low boy furnaces, they really weren't common around here and the ones that may have existed are long gone.

Post# 955258 , Reply# 2   8/30/2017 at 07:48 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Saw very few here

In the South it was pretty much oil heat all the way up until 20 or so years ago, but I do know 20th Century, Waterbury and Milwaukee Thermoflo used the upshot burner, if I had one I would keep it, because though it might cost a little more to run, you will more than make up for it in long life and no service calls.

Post# 955262 , Reply# 3   8/30/2017 at 08:08 by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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My grandparents had one like this, bought from Montgomery Ward in the early 60's(?). There was a small door with a 3" window you could see the flame. I was warmed, probably more than once, that the door was NOT for adding bits of _____ (fuel). This is not an incinerator! It lasted until the mid 80's when it was replaced with a Carrier furnace and central a/c.

Post# 955349 , Reply# 4   8/30/2017 at 18:54 by realvanman (Southern California)        
The Landlord Knows...

That once he replaces that good old, well made, high quality furnace with a modern POS, he'll be forever on the regular replacement schedule, no matter how much money he spends lol.

125 in and 100 out is 80%, which really isn't too bad.

This one looks like the mixture is way too rich though, so a lot of the potential energy of the fuel is going up the stack as CO.

I kept hoping that guy was going to adjust the burner. The adjustment was staring right at him lol. But he was being a well trained modernite, bashing something because it's old, completely blind to the quality staring him in the face. Keep drinking that Coolaide lol.

Post# 955352 , Reply# 5   8/30/2017 at 19:41 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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I wonder if I were to see inside my parents' new oil-fired furnace that the burner would look like that--and it's too bad that I had never seen the old one, of which I know it probably WOULD have that type of burner, right then and there...

-- Dave

Post# 955539 , Reply# 6   9/1/2017 at 02:11 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I have worked on

A gazillion different oil burners back in the 80s and 90s,The newer so called flame retention stuff is ok, but noisy,and very sensitive to adjustment,, Give me a good old Sundstrand or Esso burner or a Iron Fireman Vortex, quiet clean and NO TROUBLE.

Post# 956334 , Reply# 7   9/5/2017 at 21:18 by Mayguy (Minnesota)        

My parents Williamson Temp-O-Matic had an upshot burner, so did my grandparents Williamson 5-in-1 furnace.

Post# 956651 , Reply# 8   9/8/2017 at 16:32 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

It's a shame Williamson went out of business. I know a few people who still have their furnaces and central air units. It was a popular brand in my area.

Their offices and factory were located on Madison Rd. in Oakley, and I went by there many times. That area has all been redeveloped now.

Post# 956667 , Reply# 9   9/8/2017 at 18:31 by superocd (PNW)        
That's pretty unique...

I have a hard time running into the regular burner setups with standing pilot lights when I am on a residential call. Everybody ripped those out 20 years ago when NG prices went up, or as it went up in age it becomes a gamble as a cracked or rusted heat exchanger becomes a strong possibility. I've only worked on a handful of standing pilot units in the six years I've been doing this. Most of the calls I get for no heat are for much more modern condensing furnaces with a bad electronic ignition module. Never, ever, ever worked on an oil unit, probably for the better. I do a lot of heat pumps.

I like going to calls and running into old relics. 10 year old Carriers and Tranes get boring after a while, but that's all everyone has, pretty much. My supervisor ran into a forced air unit with an axial fan instead of a squirrel cage. This was a centralized furnace, down in the basement, plenum and all. This was not a wall furnace. I imagine the airflow was weak. It was so old that the heat exchanger rusted out from the bottom. This was in a house that had been vacant for years so luckily no one used it. I was out on a job installing a mini split. I would have loved to see that furnace. One of the other guys hauled it off for scrap before I could do a postmortem exam.

Post# 956711 , Reply# 10   9/9/2017 at 00:47 by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

There was still ALOT of standing pilot/natural draft furnaces around at the turn of the millennium when I was little. I was quite fascinated with them and given the opportunity that someone would let me down in their basement as a child I would watch them cycle for as long as I was allowed. Nothing was more reassuring than the click of the gas valve and the whoosh of the burners just lighting up instantly like magic. Then listening to the ticking of the HX as it warmed up to a nice toasty 140 or so before the blower kicked on.
My grandmas 1960 room addition had a 75,000 BTU input, 45,000 BTU Bonnet capacity Carrier that had the best sound upon ignition (To this day I could spot a 60s-70s era Carrier furnace just by the sound of it igniting). That furnace ran so hot it practically shot flames out the vents! It had to be scrapped after 48 years of service after the 2008 flood, and surprisingly the HX still looked brand new, despite being starved for return air its whole life (and running extremely hot as a result).

Nowadays furnaces are totally boring, what with sealed combustion and all. If standing pilot furnaces were still around I'd still be watching them through many cycles.

Post# 956726 , Reply# 11   9/9/2017 at 04:47 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Some of the Lennox furnaces installed in 1967-68 in the houses my dad built on my parents' street are still going strong.  Ours was too when it was replaced in 1992 because daddy wanted to get the furnace out from under the house in the crawl space so they went to a gas pack unit by Trane.  But when I was a teenager I would sometimes crawl under the house to watch the thing light.  I just love blue flames!  Does that make me a pyromaniac?

Post# 956736 , Reply# 12   9/9/2017 at 06:59 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I know of

A Iron Fireman Vortex oil furnace still running, installed in 1946 and I know of several Waterburys installed in the early to mid 50s, the garbage made today will never last that long.There is a church in my hometown that has a 1947 York oil furnace in it, I have serviced it several times , looks like brand new, and burns clean clean clean!

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