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Post# 956984   9/10/2017 at 20:54 by MayfairPink (Palo Alto, CA)        

I was told it's from early 90's, from neighbor. Is this a good machine to consider? Thanks.

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Post# 956987 , Reply# 1   9/10/2017 at 21:21 by potatochips (Nova Scotia)        

I cant remember the model number, but my grandmother had one of these in white.

They wash very, very well. At this point in Kitchen-Aids life, they were owned by Whirlpool. WP took their venerable PowerClean pump, tweaked it every so slightly, and coupled it with KAs racks and spray arms. Essentially you got the best of the KA and WP worlds in one machine.

So, yes, its a great machine. And will clean very well.


Post# 957046 , Reply# 2   9/11/2017 at 01:19 by funktionalart (Phoenix, AZ)        

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Excellent machines. These are from the "Architect" series circa 1993-1996. I have the same unit but top of the line Superba....which means no dial knob--all push button. GREAT cleaners.

Post# 957062 , Reply# 3   9/11/2017 at 02:43 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Much, much better in black than white.   This appears to be the equivalent of an Imperial model.  I didn't know that the Architect line offered anything other than Superbas.   I'm not sure whether it's a series 23 or 24.   Per the date range provided by Allen, it's likely a 23.

 

These were the pre-cursors to the excellent "Ultra Wash" machines (a Kenmore term) that I think were comparable to series 24, and do a great job.


Post# 957069 , Reply# 4   9/11/2017 at 03:16 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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this is a KUDI230B0....I know because that is the identical one my mother and I both have.  Mother's was bought and installed in 1994 and has only had one repair...the upper rack rubber water tube that feeds the wash arm.  Mine was also purchased in 1994 but was never installed.  I bought it a couple of years ago and it still had the energy tag hanging inside it as in never used!  They do a great job washing and they are pretty quiet doing it even with a 1/2 hp motor.  If it still works well go for it.  I bought a brand new motor/pump assembly on ebay a couple of years ago for $75 to have on hand just in case Mother's or mine decides to quit in the future since "they don't make 'em like they used to".  I have found that the detergent packs/pods don't work so well (at least not in my softened water) in this dishwasher due to foaming so I tend to stick with either gels that contain chlorine bleach or powder that contains chlorine like we used to have back when these were new. 


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Post# 957078 , Reply# 5   9/11/2017 at 05:24 by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
missing something

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this one looks like it does not have the upper arm???????

Post# 957082 , Reply# 6   9/11/2017 at 06:49 by funktionalart (Phoenix, AZ)        
Mark--the arm is there

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Just tough to make out due to this rack not having the round "china guard". Arm looks to be plastic type color coded to the rack vs. a steel one.

Ralph--In the "Architect" line, I think at least 3 models were in there (I could be wrong). I recall the Superba (have one), Electronic Selectra (want one!) and the KUDI model in this topic all being of that Architect design line. I'm sure SteveT knows for sure, though.

The standard Hobart-style machine was in production in tandem with this one being discussed (I also have a KUDS23 Hobart style in my kitchen AND the black Superba/Architect style both dating to about the same time). I think the std. hobart style models were NLA by late 1994 or early 1995.

All the Architect series look really means is that the control panel is taller and flatter to mimic the look of a drawer front--but also means door panel and side trim is not interchangeable with the standard series 18-23 models. The actual tub dimensions, Motor/Pump/Timers etc. are all the same so far as I'm aware. Nice to have one of each as a backup for parts or when you just want a visual change!


Post# 957084 , Reply# 7   9/11/2017 at 06:57 by funktionalart (Phoenix, AZ)        
KUDA22 for comparison

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This is a KUDA22 Architect series model I used to have. Control panel is all metal vs. plastic on the next series 23 in this style. Visually, pretty much the same, though. I kept my series 23 version of this one because it is all black. This white/bisque stuff just never looked right with the test of time.

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Post# 957089 , Reply# 8   9/11/2017 at 08:03 by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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WP used the "Architect Series" designation beginning around this time and later shifted it to the higher end models, with the flat control panel. I need to do some digging around in the brochures to see if they advertised them with the AS moniker and when that started. They still use this for some of their models, dubbed the Architect Series II.

I picked up this beauty Saturday morning, exactly like the sculptured panel models in features but this was designed to have the drawer-height and flat front panel as these earlier models above.

I had the machine in the original post, in white. It was a great dishwasher, never a complaint.


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Post# 957094 , Reply# 9   9/11/2017 at 08:39 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
They wash very well, they rinse quite well

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And the piece of trash Whirlpool motors are designed to fail expensively on them.

So, yeah - Whirlpool fixed the KA problems (about time, too) - but they took away the longevity and reliability with a motor whose seals are designed to fail.

So, having had two, by all means go for it - just, don't expect the motor to last forever as in a real Hobart. It will fail catastrophically (and expensively) in about the same time as the cheapest BOL Roper or Estate.

No, my dears, I am no fan of the way Whirlpool has taken eternal machines like KA and Maytag and turned them into designed-to-fail, planned-obsolescence non-durable consumer goods.

One can knee-jerk all one likes, but KA after the Whirlpool takeover was not the same quality as before. Ditto Maytag. 


Post# 957095 , Reply# 10   9/11/2017 at 08:41 by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
They wash very well, they rinse quite well

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And the piece of trash Whirlpool motors are designed to fail expensively on them.

So, yeah - Whirlpool fixed the KA problems (about time, too) - but they took away the longevity and reliability with a motor whose seals are designed to fail.

So, having had two, by all means go for it - just, don't expect the motor to last forever as in a real Hobart. It will fail catastrophically (and expensively) in about the same time as the cheapest BOL Roper or Estate.

No, my dears, I am no fan of the way Whirlpool has taken eternal machines like KA and Maytag and turned them into designed-to-fail, planned-obsolescence non-durable consumer goods.

One can knee-jerk all one likes, but KA after the Whirlpool takeover was not the same quality as before. Ditto Maytag. 


Post# 957125 , Reply# 11   9/11/2017 at 14:27 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Greg, that is a beautiful machine!  It's exactly what I'd like to find as a back-up should my beloved Miele hit me with an expensive failure.


Post# 957161 , Reply# 12   9/11/2017 at 18:46 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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The second level wash arm in the KUDI models is blue like the racks and made of plastic.  The KUDS models have the china guard and a metal arm.  I bought a KUDS (superba) rack from Jerry to use in mine so I could have adjustable tines.


Post# 957230 , Reply# 13   9/12/2017 at 09:34 by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes, excellent

so long as the tub doesn't rust before the motors burn out. Rack mounting holes go first. Sometimes epoxy works.




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