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Post# 971976   12/6/2017 at 15:42 by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Was out and about today and stopped by a Speed Queen dealer to have a look at what was available.

He was on the phone with someone higher up and they were saying Speed Queen is discontinuing their front loaders to the consumer market and only making them for the commercial market. Top loaders will continue as usual.

So...any truth to this? Probably BS but I figured I'd ask.

Jeff





Post# 971980 , Reply# 1   12/6/2017 at 15:56 by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
News to me:

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I can't see why they would do that. Especially when they have the best FL machine on the market.
WK78


Post# 971982 , Reply# 2   12/6/2017 at 15:56 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Whoever gave that information was not well informed.

SQ *is* bringing out a 2018 model year line of domestic front loaders. Production has been delayed until January of new year due to issues in complying with (yet more) federal rules regarding water efficiency.

According to my sources this will mean the redesigned washers will have totally new model numbers. That could be why *your* source is getting things confused. Looking at the current model numbers may not show anything after end of this year...


Post# 971986 , Reply# 3   12/6/2017 at 16:17 by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Launderess,
I'm sure you are right, there was probably a misunderstanding between the dealer and his informant.

Any ideas what changes the new SQ FL's will have? Heater? Larger capacity? More programs?

Jeff


Post# 972017 , Reply# 4   12/6/2017 at 19:08 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
All one found out was as stated

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Thanks to yet more interference by federal government SQ needed in 2018 to produce front loaders that met with tighter energy/water usage. Thus new models will be coming in new year. Besides that cannot say.

Post# 972018 , Reply# 5   12/6/2017 at 19:12 by washman (Butler, PA)        

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When was the last time anyone recalls when the goobermint got involved with something and it actually worked out?


Post# 972020 , Reply# 6   12/6/2017 at 19:15 by johnrk (Houston)        
Every Day

you drive on the highways. Every day that your police department works. And so on.

Unpatriotic people living in this country disgust me.


Post# 972043 , Reply# 7   12/6/2017 at 21:17 by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

So now it's unpatriotic to desire less government intrusion in a country founded because it fought (and won) independence from a overbearing government ? I don't think anyone is arguing for NO government. Just LESS control over our everyday lives.

And I am certain that Speed Queen will not discontinue the residential front load line. That just wouldn't make sense at any level. Mine (at 2.5 years old) are not holding up very well in a commercial environment but in a household they should last at least twice as long as any other brand. And they do wash very well. All front loads do.


Post# 972047 , Reply# 8   12/6/2017 at 21:43 by johnrk (Houston)        
No, Repair-man

You must not have read the thread that prompted my response:

"When was the last time anyone recalls when the "goobermint" (sic) got involved with something and it actually worked out?"

Our government is us; it was Bonzo Reagan who started the idiot's concept that our method of democracy is somehow 'us and them'. It was crap then designed to attract and satisfy pinheads and rednecks, and the orange turd in the WH is using it the same way. And, like Bonzo, he's wasting our money like a drunken sailor while saying so.

Our governmental bodies are full of good, honest, hardworking people, and I won't see others slamming them without saying something. If people don't like what we're doing, then they can get their asses off their couches and vote.


Post# 972061 , Reply# 9   12/6/2017 at 22:53 by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

Not looking for a big debate on government/politics. This isn't the place anyway. I just don't want somebody that knows next to nothing about laundry making decisions on what I can and cannot do with my washing machines. (Or other things in my personal life) The water temperature and amount of water I use poses no imminent danger to the general public. In time the public will increasingly favor the products that cost less to operate and produce better results. I love watching a good old top load washer as much as anyone. But after I experienced the water savings and better results from a front load I just couldn't look back. And I believe that at times government interference causes the inverse results of the stated purpose. And sometimes it DOES bring about needed change. Is it possible that if higher efficiency machines were more softly introduced to the public many more people would be receptive to them ? Instead almost immediately people ended up with washers that used so little water and not very hot water that they got smelly, not clean and often prematurely worn out clothes. All with much longer cycle times. Now most manufactures (not Speed Queen) are playing catch up trying to convince customers to "look at us" we use lots of water , etc.

Post# 972064 , Reply# 10   12/6/2017 at 23:12 by johnrk (Houston)        
I Agree,

I'm not interesting in any political debate at all. However, particularly as we live in a time in our national history where ugliness and intolerance are the rule more than the exception, I won't sit still on this or any other forum while asinine slurs are directed toward our public institutions.

I'm old enough to remember the pissing and moaning in the mid 70's when airbags first came out in cars. As a car-buying public we were still fighting having to wear seatbelts! Just like the stupid argument about whether motorcycle helmets should be compulsory, people delighted in concentrating only on their own situations and their own desires. I spent decades dealing with veggies who refused to wear helmets while riding, and then when their brains were turned to so much ground meat in an accident, then we, the public, were obligated to pay for the rest of their useless lives.

How many of you out there would like to dump your airbags now, given the choice? Or your seat belts?

We're in an orgy of selfishness in this country, where everyone is so busy concentrating on what they want as individuals that what is good for all is derided a la "goobermint". Well, celebrate then, folks, 'cause the orange turd just took 2 million of our common park lands away to give to corporate oil and mining companies.

I wish I'd live to see the spirit of being in a common drive in the US for a better world again, but I'm not optimistic. And so much for this soapbox... I know it's a waste of breath on this website.


Post# 972065 , Reply# 11   12/6/2017 at 23:42 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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John, unfortunately it's a waste of breath everywhere you encounter those who don't give a rat's ass about the greater good.  That's why I don't bother with visiting the DL forum anymore.

 

I do agree though, that FL machines are superior to TL types in cleaning ability, but I also agree that a "hot" water selection should deliver exactly that, and not some sort of programmed "I know better" dumbed down version that's barely more than warm. 

 

I am caregiver for my spouse, who is incontinent.  My 2008 Frigidaire Affinity FL won't provide water as hot as I feel is required for processing certain items that must be washed on a daily basis, so I end up adding hot water from the tap.  Not ideal, but there's no alternative other than the heated "sanitize" cycle, which is overkill and ties up the machine for more than two hours.


Post# 972092 , Reply# 12   12/7/2017 at 06:16 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
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It's my understanding that SQ can make the normal cycle to comply with government water standards.....while freely letting the other cycles do what they want, as long as the normal "most used cycle" complies with government regulation?

Post# 972101 , Reply# 13   12/7/2017 at 07:37 by jcturbot (Central MA)        

What I thought was strange was that that the dealer stated Top loaders will continue as usual even though I'm sure those model #s have changed as well.

We all know from the Lorainfurniture post that there is a new model SQ Top loader coming.

Jeff


Post# 972124 , Reply# 14   12/7/2017 at 09:49 by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Wow. I must have fallen asleep and woke up in North Korea.  I didn't realize it was unpatriotic to question our all knowing goobermint.

 

What I find disgusting are those who tend to lean to the left who knee jerk criticize anyone who happens to have a different point of view.


Post# 972143 , Reply# 15   12/7/2017 at 13:08 by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Just do like I do

REFUSE to buy or use anything new!

Post# 972147 , Reply# 16   12/7/2017 at 13:31 by washman (Butler, PA)        
for Norgeway

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Is Keatons still going?  Have you been there recently?


Post# 972150 , Reply# 17   12/7/2017 at 13:48 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        
Ben,

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“What I find disgusting are those who tend to lean to the left who knee jerk criticize anyone who happens to have a different point of view.”

With all due respect it’s a two way street with these kind of comments.

I seem to recall that you have more than once criticized members who have viewpoints that differ from your anti government ideas. I myself have been the recipient of some of your remarks. So, next time you think about making a derogatory remark about someone elses more liberal point of view, stop and think about how it felt for your viewpoint to be criticized.

There can always be a way to get your point a cross with out making a personal attack.

And for the record I happen to agree with you about some things. I just don’t see the EPA as the enemy. We should all be allowed to use hot water if we want to, without it being dumbed down and have our machines fill without flow restrictors. And I do believe that some of the new requirements for less water have maybe gone a little overboard. But that being said, many of our states do have a critical shortage of potable water. So even if Pennsylvania has an abundance of water, thats not the case for everyone. If the government is making changes to allow for future shortages, its in the best interest of us all.
Eddie




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Post# 972155 , Reply# 18   12/7/2017 at 14:07 by Infusor (Michigan)        

If it wasn't for the government we'd still have pipes wrapped in asbestos.

Post# 972162 , Reply# 19   12/7/2017 at 14:44 by washman (Butler, PA)        
I concur regulations are ok...........to a point

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I'm not total lazy fare (sic) yet on the other hand, I'm not one that believes when in doubt, add another rule, ban, regulation et cetera.

 

You are 100% correct, I HAVE been quite vociferous in certain replies.  Point taken, however it does go both ways and there have been others on here with pro govt points of view that have been most critical of me.  I recall I was once labeled as out of touch and my favorite, head in the sand.  I still get a chuckle on that one.

 

Back to the topic, I'm against over regulation by an un-elected entity like the DOE and EPA.  Notice I said over regulation. Not regulation per se.  While I have a certain level of respect for political leaders, I do not nor have I fallen into line that 'the gov't says so therefore it's gospel because they KNOW what is best for all of us".  If we are a representative democracy, then we need to take back control over our lives rather than let unelected bureaucrats do it for us. Just sayin.

 

I still question why, thanks to these regulations, that we now need to invest in "cleaners" to clean the the machines (dishwasher and washer). Did anyone consider the environmental cost to create, produce, and distribute this stuff? I doubt it. And while we're on topic, since there appears to be a water shortage, why is it necessary to create cycles that do not wash clothes but are there to clean the very machine that is designed to clean your laundry?  Yet somehow this is not a waste of resources?

 

I generally try to be congenial but when I am attacked, either directly or indirectly, I will fight back.


Post# 972164 , Reply# 20   12/7/2017 at 14:54 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        
Your head is where?

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Well Ben, at least the sand is better than the other popular option . . .

 

As for why we need cleaners to run though our cleaners, that's easy.   A corporatocracy now exists in this country, and any method they can come up with to create more revenue to keep for themselves rather than give back to the system that enriches them, they will lobby for and receive on a silver platter from the congressional representatives they bought and paid for as a result of a tilted SCOTUS upholding Citizens United.

 

 

 

 


Post# 972178 , Reply# 21   12/7/2017 at 16:19 by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Post# 972185 , Reply# 22   12/7/2017 at 16:56 by Maytag85 (Sean 1976 YouTube, hotrodsean1972 Instagram)        
I am with Norgeway

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I REDUSE to use or buy anything new!

We had more freedom 50 years ago, and we had appliances that did what they were designed to do.

The DOE/EPA needs to mind their own business!!


Post# 972190 , Reply# 23   12/7/2017 at 17:09 by Infusor (Michigan)        

You refuse to buy anything new...... good for you.....maybe you should refrain from posting in here with your constant negative attitude being this is a MODERN forum, kindly go hangout in the vintage forum.

Post# 972197 , Reply# 24   12/7/2017 at 17:49 by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Ok, now I'm chiming in.

This scourge against machine cleaners is ridiculous.
I'm 34, ... yeah just a "kid" but I'm old enough to remember the "good ole days."
Do you know what else I remember?
I remember my parents running Glisten through our 1970s GE dishwasher because after a while it would scale up or have some stains in the Plastisol.
Now that machine used probably 10gal of water on Short Wash.
Yet it still needed internal cleaning from time to time.

You know what else I remember?
I remember my mom (or her having ME) clean out the center agitator of soap and softener scum in our old Maytag washer. That and the little holes in the lint filter. That machine used lots of water, hot if you wanted it. Yet still needed to be periodically cleaned.

You know what else I remember? Running cups of Cascade through different washing machines I had in apartments because they were DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!
We're talking DD Whirlpools. Post FF GEs. They had all sorts of gross buildup that needed some caustic cleaners run through them. Especially if neglected.
Speaking of which. That "oh so nostalgic" GE Filter-Flo scent that some swoon about on here? That's from scum buildup on the outer tub and transmission boot in those famous Filter-Flos.
I sure as heck bet those could've used some good doses of Affresh.

Machines ALWAYS required some cleaning and maintenance as long as I can remember.
Modern machines use a lower level of water, so yes, they don't always flush themselves out as well, all the time.
But let's not get all "harumph-y" that we now all of a sudden have to clean our cleaners because of the stoopid gubmint putting its nose where it don't belong.
These machine cleaners have always been around to fulfill a need. And they still do today.
I run my Maxima through a Clean cycle every time it tells me to.
Is it necessary? No, actually, it isn't. My boot is mold free, and the drum smells fresh all the time. Even if I skip a month. But I do it anyway because I like KEEPING my machines clean and in proper order.

End rant :)


Post# 972202 , Reply# 25   12/7/2017 at 18:22 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Anyone interested to see a Maytag wanting a good scrubbing, come visit the A512 in my garage.  :-)


Post# 972217 , Reply# 26   12/7/2017 at 20:10 by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I also stopped by a dealer today who was commpletely OUT of the old models and said he won't be getting anymore in :( He was taking a wait list for the new machines coming in January.

Post# 972225 , Reply# 27   12/7/2017 at 20:36 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Energy and Safety Regulations On New Appliances

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Are mainly created by the appliance manufactures in conjunction with Experts that are funded by our elected representatives, and I and the majority of Americans generally support these efforts that have made life much safer, made our clothes and dishes cleaner all while saving the environment and saving consumers untold amounts of money.

 

Every other advanced country in the world is doing the same thing, so there is nothing wrong with the general approach we are taking in the US.

 

Hi Ben, your comments are unpatriotic, but as an American you are free to express them as often as you like , however it puts you in the same group that burns American Flags, and I support you as well as other protesters with an automatic monthly donation  to the ACLU.

 

John L.


Post# 972234 , Reply# 28   12/7/2017 at 21:17 by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Uh oh, now I'm a flag burner.

 

I guess I've been called worse.

 

Well I guess for my civics lesson for day is............don't question the goobermint because they have all the right answers to what ails us.

We have a twtter-in-chief along with 435 nimrods that cannot come up with an industrial policy that creates jobs, a health care plan that does not allow the likes of Martin Shiekel to bone us, cannot seem to address the doughboy and his ever growing nuclear arsenal, cannot come up with a workable budget w/o borrowing funds to keep our goobermint going,  can't figure out the opiod epidemic, can't seem to restore basic electrical power in PR, can't figure out illegal immigration, doesn't know how to engage or react to Putin and still spends far too much money and seeks to grow in power and wealth confiscation..................and yet you have the blind faith that these dolts have enough brain power to tell you how much water  you are allowed to use to do your laundry?


Are these the same so called experts that had our panties in a bunch back in the 70's when we were told that the next ice age is just around the corner?  I find it mildly amusing how we've moved from "global warming" to "climate change".   Wonder what catchphrase they'll come up with next?

 

For shits and giggles, I think da donald should put algore in charge of the EPA.  That would be a real laugher. Al and Donald fighting it out; hell it would beat any reality show.  If nothing else, it might overtake "keeping up with the Kardumians" . With all the stupidity in DC today, I doubt having algore in charge of the EPA will make much of a difference.  Maybe he'd give us 15 minute informercials instead of powerpoints to make us all feel guilty for turning on a light bulb. And by golly, if it is a 100 year old edison bulb, then off the the algore school of ecology for you!


Post# 972239 , Reply# 29   12/7/2017 at 21:47 by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

Questioning government regulations = Unpatriotic = Flag Burning ???

And it's all stated as though it's fact !

And to think I originally clicked on this thread to learn about new Speed Queen models.


Post# 972246 , Reply# 30   12/7/2017 at 22:08 by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Yeah,,, the wheels flew off this Apple cart going 90mph.

Post# 972248 , Reply# 31   12/7/2017 at 22:17 by Infusor (Michigan)        

I'm on here because i love appliances especially washers, and come here to chat with others about my passion, not come here to listen to grown up adaults call eachother names. If it upsets you that much then maybe you should take a break from aw.org instead of ruining it for the rest of us and turning this into a hostile environment.

Post# 972260 , Reply# 32   12/7/2017 at 23:15 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
new speed queen models' sounds

I wonder what the new speed queens will sound like. I can't wait to see the operation. What are the controls from left to right?

Post# 972270 , Reply# 33   12/7/2017 at 23:57 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Actually there are 535 nimrods.  Alabama is on the verge of replacing one of the biggest, most mendacious ones with a super-sized one.

 

We're all SOL until corporate entities and their shadow groups are forbidden from contributing to any of them individually or to their campaigns -- and there's a push to co-mingle church and state in that regard now too.  If you want to restore the integrity and effectiveness of both houses of congress, you'll have to get behind campaign finance reform or nothing will change.

 

OK, now back to the gnashing of teeth over a so/so performing (JMO) line of TL washers.  It is safe to say they're better at their jobs than our elected representatives, though.

 

 


Post# 972272 , Reply# 34   12/8/2017 at 00:29 by johnrk (Houston)        
The Most Corrupt

period for our US Congress was the last quarter of the 19th century, when big railroads and big steel, and the rise of big oil, combined to control the legislators. The Republican party has tirelessly worked to enable big money, for the last couple of generations, to have easier access to our politicians, combined with easier control of them through financial support. The worst, for me, was the SC decision to allow PAC's to give all they want to anyone they want as long as aren't 'directly connected' with the politician or party. My ass.

The stupid Christians in this country who are in favor of seeing churches participating in the political process with impunity are forgetting that no one supports their churches more than the Muslims. Those of us who are Christian are notorious, particular the black and Hispanic minorities, for under-supporting Christian churches financially. Not so the Muslims. The fools just haven't given any consideration to that eventuality.

I've made no secret on here that I'm a churchgoing Roman Catholic. However--I absolutely reject any effort to tangle church and state. We are supposed to be a secular nation, several of our most influential founding fathers weren't Christian or were so in only the loosest definition. I have no problem with having churches taxed just like any other institution--that's true separation.

And those who haven't adequately thought through this concept of allowing some type of theocracy here may find it comes back to bite them.


Post# 972316 , Reply# 35   12/8/2017 at 08:35 by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I agree John K,

and get what you mean, like when Carnegie sold to JP Morgan for example.

Last year the ceo of General Electric was urging us to vote republican, and yesterday announced a looming job cut of 12,000.
There were corporate tax cuts also in 2004, and they've sheltered profits in Switzerland, etc. for decades. Where were all the jobs?
Bob Lutz of General Motors, etc. lineage was Swiss born. His father a financial mogul there and abroad. Follow the money.


Post# 972319 , Reply# 36   12/8/2017 at 08:42 by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Ben, (Washman)

social security did work, and had a surplus until congress heisted it in the 1960's.
When I think about it, all taxes are other peoples money. All of ours, so it is a social concept.
Oh well, only 3 things for certain, taxes, death and trouble.
No flag burners in my family. My grandfather was in WW1, my dad in France during Korea 1953-1955, 4 cousins served in the Navy, and a cousins husband in Viet Nam. He has Parkinson's form agent orange.


Post# 972332 , Reply# 37   12/8/2017 at 09:29 by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Wow...this went off-topic quickly...

Anyone out there got any praise/dislikes of their AFNE9BSP113TW01 Washers? Still happy with their performance? Ideas Speed Queen should incorporate into their new Front Load models?

Jeff


Post# 972341 , Reply# 38   12/8/2017 at 09:44 by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Guys please do me a favor and keep the politics and religion in Dirty Laundry. Thanks everyone!

Post# 972344 , Reply# 39   12/8/2017 at 10:16 by appnut (TX)        

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Heater and steam in new models!!!!


Post# 972352 , Reply# 40   12/8/2017 at 10:51 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Wow!! Did you get confirmation on that Bob? If the new model has an internal heater, there will be one in my laundry room as soon as they're available. That's AWESOME!

Edit:
Whoops. Just scrolled back a couple of posts. My bad. Man, I was all ready to do my happy dance, LOL.


Post# 972366 , Reply# 41   12/8/2017 at 11:49 by Infusor (Michigan)        

No heater, but they did say however that the hot water is not dumbed down, when you select hot you get whatever temp your water heater is set at.

Post# 972367 , Reply# 42   12/8/2017 at 12:26 by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Why is Alliance so reluctant to include heaters on FL machines for the home?  It seems they're the only holdout, and based on remarks made in this thread and many others before it, are losing sales due to the lack of a heater. 

 

I would seriously consider a SQ FL if it had a heater.


Post# 972368 , Reply# 43   12/8/2017 at 12:28 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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that answer sounded too much like their explanation of their TLers.....

select Hot you will get Hot, but select Warm, and you get a 60/40 mix...

but then, the main thing is what your water heater is set at....

mine is set at 180...a 10 or 20 degree drop would not be a big drop...YMMV


Post# 972383 , Reply# 44   12/8/2017 at 13:56 by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

With the rest of the industry largely moving to cold-fill-only (or having done so years ago), only using onboard heating, I cannot understand Alliance's no-heater stance. They're losing out on sales as a result. Also, why are they still only doing a 27" line? Granted, I'm in the UK and they don't sell on the domestic market here AFAIK, but the one place I've got to put a 27" machine, I've got no hot water supply... otherwise I'm stuck with 24" under-counter models (and as what's available here on that market is cold-fill-only, I don't actually have hot water hooked up other than to the sink).

Looks like I'll be sticking with Miele for the time being...


Post# 973071 , Reply# 45   12/11/2017 at 17:40 by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Just got word directly from Speed Queen-not good.

"Hi Jeffrey,

Thank you for contacting Alliance Laundry Systems.

The residential front load machines will be discontinued in 2018

Sincerely,

Arlyn Kastein
CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE

920-748-3121
Alliance Laundry Systems
www.alliancelaundry.com..."


Post# 973103 , Reply# 46   12/11/2017 at 21:35 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Wow! So they redesigned them a year or two ago just to discontinue them? Stunned.


Post# 973112 , Reply# 47   12/11/2017 at 22:38 by henene4 (Germany)        

Probably wasn't worth another redesign.

I mean, for the FLs, the only sales argument was durability.

Compared to other offerings on the market, they were smaller, had no heater, fewer sellable features, and all that for a significantly more expensive overall purchase.

That will have kept sales low over all.
Redesigning to meet new energy requirements while upping market share would have ment that they'd have to create an entire new base machine to allow for competition-capable features (30min standard cycle, more the 4 cuft capacity, heater/sanitize etc.).
And that most likely was not economicly viable.


Post# 973117 , Reply# 48   12/11/2017 at 22:56 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I have to admit I have mixed feelings about SQ's decision to stop selling home FL washers.

 

For me, here are my thoughts, which--as usual--have as about much depth as dried out mud puddle:

 

Thought #1: it's not terribly relevant, since the last time I bought a new washer was never.

 

Thought #2: But if I did buy new, buying something that could last a long time would be tempting.

 

Thought #3: But while I value durability, I'd really, really like a heater based on what i hear with other's experiences.

 

Past my laundry room, I also wonder about the wisdom of abandoning FL machines given the argument--which makes sense to me--that the long term home washer winner will be FL designs, and TL machines will sooner or later fade away.

 

 


Post# 973121 , Reply# 49   12/11/2017 at 23:04 by johnrk (Houston)        
This Won't Be The End

They'll be back, I have no doubt. Does anyone on here know how they sold? I know my local dealer only had the top loaders on the floor.

And I agree with others--I'd definitely expect an internal heater at that price, regardless of length of guarantee. And as fat pig Americans continue to get ever fatter, probably when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.


Post# 973127 , Reply# 50   12/11/2017 at 23:45 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.

 

Larger machines also appeal, I think, to laziness of modern Americans--get the drudgery of laundry done in one load!!!  Or there is the selling point of being able to wash anything no matter how big at home.

 

I've said this before, but large capacity is not of much interest to me. It might--only might--be of interest for doing bulky comforters and the like. But for daily laundry needs, large capacity is of zero interest. I tend to aggressively sort loads, I live alone, and I'm not interested in having a wardrobe larger than the entire Men's Ready Made Department at Grace Brothers.


Post# 973131 , Reply# 51   12/11/2017 at 23:57 by johnrk (Houston)        
Lord Kenmore

Amen! I'd say at least half of my loads are medium or small. Because I sort, and I also live alone.

Post# 973133 , Reply# 52   12/11/2017 at 23:59 by henene4 (Germany)        
Capacity appeal

I don't think that most Americans actually know which capacity they need.

So they go with the bigger the better.
And quite honestly, I can't fault them. While 3.x cuft is adaquate for most normal sized households, if I could get a 4.x cuft machine for less money, the extra capacity would be nice.
Keep in mind that with modern machines and longer cycle times, running less full loads is actually kind of appealing for generally shorter cycles.
And you can fill less in a bigger machine, but more in a smaller one might cause issues.


But yeah, the heater option would be a must have if they ever come back. I mean, it was there, and it really isn't the most expensive feature.
The programming already has it in place, so the relais will be there as well.



Post# 973202 , Reply# 53   12/12/2017 at 09:46 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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What the rep told us was that they can't keep up at the factories because they keep expanding...

They are Discontinuing the single units in feb of 18 but will keep making stacked units.

They also did mention that they are the least profitable item they make.


Post# 973219 , Reply# 54   12/12/2017 at 11:25 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
New SQ FL Washers Available in 2018 ?

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We really do not know yet, we just got the literature today for the new restyled FL machines and they are making all models in RH and now the odd LH hinged models in 2018.

I can see that they can't be making much money on the FL models, when you consider that you can buy a 50 year washer for only $1500 this would easily make these great washers the cheapest to own AWs ever available for use in the home.

I also predict that SQ may start to push the FL machines in a year or so when they see how much the new TL washers fall in sales.

In any event anybody that wants a great price on a new SQ washer, either FL or TL I would buy it in the next 2 weeks.

John L.


Post# 973225 , Reply# 55   12/12/2017 at 12:33 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Or...if the redesigned top-loader doesn't fare well in the marketplace, will Alliance decide the residential line is more bother than it's worth and begin producing only commercial machines?

Speed Queen's residential line has disappeared before.

Oh, well. My speculation leads nowhere. What will be will be.


Post# 973226 , Reply# 56   12/12/2017 at 12:38 by chetlaham (United States)        
Price

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Is the price going up on their FL and TLs?

Post# 973265 , Reply# 57   12/12/2017 at 16:57 by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        
So many different stories....

Who knows what will happen in the end. When I recently had a factory engineer from Ripon here to try and resolve some of the issues that I have with my 10 machines he had a different story. His story was that they need to stop selling the Horizon FL for the commercial setting. Too many laundry owners are buying them instead of the true commercial duty hard mount 20# machine expecting the same results. I guess I'm guilty of that. $2K vs. $4K each. Only time will tell but he's not the first factory person to tell me that the Horizon F/L was built to the same life expectancy as the T/L. About 10,000 cycles. I'm not sure I'll get that. Nice looking machines and they perform well when there is not a problem. The original purpose of these machines was to offer a low cost alternative when replacing T/L machines that also fit in the same foootprint.




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