Thread Number: 75184
/ Tag: Modern Dishwashers
F&P DishDrawer - No Liquid Detergent? |
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Post# 990027   4/9/2018 at 09:19 (2,220 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)   |   | |
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Post# 990031 , Reply# 1   4/9/2018 at 09:51 (2,220 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 990036 , Reply# 2   4/9/2018 at 10:21 (2,220 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)   |   | |
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Post# 990049 , Reply# 3   4/9/2018 at 12:13 (2,220 days old) by Chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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If a tablet is made for a full size machine wouldn't that be too much soap in the DishDrawer or do they make special tablets for those? I have a countertop unit that I use from time to time and I only use powder in that because I thought the Tabs would be too much soap for a machine that uses less water per fill. Or, am I off the mark on that one? I thought I read years ago that the liquids are not good for your machine because they have maybe Chalk or something along those lines that would eventually harm your machine. Does anyone know if that's true?
By the way, how do you like your DishDrawer? |
Post# 990050 , Reply# 4   4/9/2018 at 12:34 (2,220 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)   |   | |
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I was thinking the same thing about the tabs being too large. I'm going to pick up some powder today (machine came with sample finish tabs)
Haven't run it enough to say but so far it's great. Best capacity out of any machine I have had and it's very quiet. The design looks stellar as well. The only thing I would count as a negative is that the install was very difficult compared to a normal machine. I'll post pictures soon. |
Post# 990051 , Reply# 5   4/9/2018 at 12:36 (2,220 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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tablets are effective for both.....although I always thought one was not enough for a full size dishwasher, yet it did it's job!.....
somehow having more was better than not enough in some cases.... I guess you could always break one in half.... yes, while it was recommended to just drop a tablet in the bottom of a DishDrawer.....keep in mind, the clearance of the wash arm with the bottom screen is minimal.....the wash arm may get stuck until that tablet dissolves enough to allow free movement......so that is why I always tossed it in with the silverware.... YMMV.... |
Post# 990074 , Reply# 7   4/9/2018 at 16:49 (2,220 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)   |   | |
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Post# 990089 , Reply# 8   4/9/2018 at 19:29 (2,220 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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The top one is 15 1/2 inch tall and the bottom is 14 inch tall. The bottom panel has small dent, but I can live with it.
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Post# 990092 , Reply# 9   4/9/2018 at 19:41 (2,220 days old) by Whatsername (Denver, CO)   |   | |
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I have a dent on the top door! They were practically giving it away but you can only see the dent from this exact angle.
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Post# 990094 , Reply# 10   4/9/2018 at 19:54 (2,220 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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They look good in stainless. Your top drawer looks bigger than mine. The dent is small. I wouldn’t worry about it. Nothing compared to the dents on my fridge. The previous owner bought it that way. I will change the fridge next month. |
Post# 990096 , Reply# 11   4/9/2018 at 20:14 (2,220 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I'd be leery of tablets, pods, and pacs on point of overdosing. My DD is 14yo, takes ~0.8 gal per fill. I imagine current models are similar. Not sure how that compares to standard-tub dishwashers (anyone have details for comparison?) but it's not much volume of water. I use 3 teaspoons of powder for the main wash, 1 teaspoon for the prewash. Maybe 1/2 tsp more for really heavy soil. I have somewhat hard well-water and as discussed in another thread I get considerable sudsing from Cascade Platinum pacs to the point that rotation of the spray arm is impaired. Gross sudsing can cause the pump to be starved for water. It's possible for the arm to push some suds through the air vent at rear of the tub. I also find pods to be a waste in that there's not much detergent left for the main wash period, although that may not be a problem with current models. My older DD runs one to three water changes *before* the main wash period so much of the pod is gone, flushed away, before the main wash begins. I believe newer models have modified programming such that all cycles begin with the main wash period ... no prewash or prerinses. Check your user guide to confirm, it should have details on the sequence of each cycle. A drawer holds more than may be expected when loading creativity comes into play. |
Post# 990108 , Reply# 12   4/9/2018 at 21:38 (2,220 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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maybe newer models have changed.....but it was my understanding, as viewing/using both, that top and bottom are the same size inside.....the front panels may appear as one bigger than the other......
all parts seemed to interchange between the two.... I always favored the top unit, which was also great for my partner with back issues... |
Post# 990111 , Reply# 13   4/9/2018 at 21:56 (2,220 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)   |   | |
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@DADoES, I just kicked off a Normal Eco cycle and it went straight to a long main wash. I've attached the cycle phase descriptions from the manual, which support your theory. I'll probably get the powder anyway to gain the benefits of the engineering that went into the dispenser (faster dissolve and so on).
@Yogitunes, there is still the same-sized model but F&P came out with the Tall model a few years ago where the top drawer is much deeper than the bottom. Some said it was because people complained about plates not fitting in the original model, but who knows. They also sell the deep model as a single drawer, which would be the best if you got one on each side of the sink. It'd be like 130% of an ordinary dishwasher capacity-wise, with great ergonomics as you mentioned.
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Post# 990148 , Reply# 15   4/10/2018 at 05:28 (2,219 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 990163 , Reply# 17   4/10/2018 at 07:29 (2,219 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Martin, the upper front panel on double-drawer units has always been taller in relation to the lower front panel due to the toekick at the bottom .... however, DishDrawer Tall was introduced several years ago which has a deeper upper drawer to take larger-diameter plates, platters, taller items, etc. (the lower drawer is the same interior height as always, far as I'm aware). There's also a different/optional plate rack insert available (assuming it still is available) to take slightly larger diameter plates in the standard-height models. There's also DishDrawer Wide, which is 36" width (single-drawer models only) and has a second spray arm. |
Post# 990171 , Reply# 19   4/10/2018 at 08:22 (2,219 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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there are many advantages to a DishDrawer.....
.I walways liked being able to wash two different loads at the same time.....pots and pans, glassware, plates and cups.... once you learn to adapt to loading and pre-rinsing.....they are very effective machines..... I always thought if I redid the kitchen, I wanted one on each side of the sink....or at least in combination with a regular machine..... single drawer units come in handy for a number of configurations....would have loved to have one of these when I had a wet bar.... |
Post# 990172 , Reply# 20   4/10/2018 at 08:23 (2,219 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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My DD603 cycle chart. Initial Prewash vs. Rinse depends whether detergent is dosed in the prewash cup.
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Post# 990856 , Reply# 22   4/15/2018 at 16:37 (2,214 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Whitetub....
its a simple drain line setup..... mine would get plugged if someone loaded with out pre-rinsing a lot of the major stuff off.... and my drain line would get plugged...... first make sure the area under the big metal screen disc is cleaned out..... and then remove the connections under the sink.....and hook up a wet/dry vac to clear each hose individually..... that should solve your problem.... then run a rinse or two to flush out the rest.... |
Post# 990869 , Reply# 23   4/15/2018 at 18:54 (2,214 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Thanks, I will try this week, as soon as I can get my plumber friend over. He’s good with that stuff |
Post# 991533 , Reply# 24   4/20/2018 at 11:55 (2,209 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Load thrown together somewhat hastily and not exactly a BobLoad®, but an example of how the spray can get around and through gaps between items. |
Post# 991713 , Reply# 26   4/21/2018 at 21:34 (2,208 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I'm just fine with my Kenmore 13222 white dishwasher with stainless steel interior. |
Post# 991715 , Reply# 27   4/21/2018 at 21:37 (2,208 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I can use any dishwasher soap and rinse aid. The tab premixes just fine due to the spray action of the wash arms. I use cascade platinum along with its companion rinse aid. |
Post# 991744 , Reply# 28   4/22/2018 at 07:39 (2,207 days old) by iej (.... )   |   | |
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You have to pre rinse?! Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of a dishwasher? I will scrape off big food reminents but if I have to pre rinse dishes, I might as well just wash them in the sink. |
Post# 991752 , Reply# 29   4/22/2018 at 09:19 (2,207 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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iej: You have to pre rinse?!You're referring to FisherPaykel's Reply #25? mentioning of prerinses? He's talking about the dishwasher cycle running one or two prerinses before the main wash ... not hand-rinsing the dishware before loading. |
Post# 991771 , Reply# 31   4/22/2018 at 13:12 (2,207 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Ah. I don't hand-rinse anything as you can see from the pics in Reply #24 and these. |
Post# 991773 , Reply# 32   4/22/2018 at 14:11 (2,207 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Seems like the newer model mentioned in this post does not do any pre-rinse or pre-wash before the main wash so there shouldn't be any problem of rinsing detergent away before the main wash when using a tab. |