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Thread Number: 1108
Dyson Contrarotator is Coming.... |
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Post# 55061 1/27/2005 at 21:36 (7,028 days old) by Jetcone  (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 55114 , Reply# 1 1/28/2005 at 11:02 (7,027 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
Wow,I wonder if they're going to contract it out to another company i.e. GE or actualy bring them out under their own.I guess since their vacuums are so popular here already,they'll just add the washers to the list but do they make or is somebody making a dryer that matches???????? I guess only time will tell.
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Post# 55115 , Reply# 2 1/28/2005 at 11:23 (7,027 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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What a concept
Contrarotating Dryer!! I was able to read the patent this am. The cycle contains: Pre-Wash Main Wash 4.6.10 minute options. They claim in their patent that the washing action cuts wash time in about half compared to conventional front loaders!! Other wash options Regular Wash = 13 seconds contra & 6 seconds rest Heavy wash = 20 seconds contra 5 seconds rest Delicate wash i think was 10 seconds contra 20 seconds rest and super delicate wash 6 seconds contra 32 seconds rest DUvet and Large Item wash ( for items that fill the whole drum) is done with the tubs locked so they turn in the SAME direction at all times. It seems there is no spin before the first rinse (I hope this is not the case that is important!) 3 Rinses Spin after each Rinse (YAY!) 1 Optional Rinse Final Spin at 1600 RPM for 10 MINUTES!! WOW! That drum is huge so 1600 will we alot of G loading on the clothes! Can you say DRY! | ||
| Post# 55209 , Reply# 4 1/29/2005 at 07:32 (7,027 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas) | ||
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Demo... The salesperson will HAVE TO hook that baby up and let me see the theory of wash action known as smackulation!...... ......... "I bet ContraRotating Nubulators would SmackUlate the Clothing Big Time!!" --jetcone | ||
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Post# 55212 , Reply# 5 1/29/2005 at 08:05 (7,027 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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ROTFLMAOF
Oh Jim: You have THE memory! Yes I want clothes that a smaculicous clean! Jon: That patent states 1600 RPM and at their first website introduction it showed the test model being test spun at 1600 RPM but if you have only seen 1400RPM in the actual machine then it probably means Dyson was covering a range of speeds in the patent. I would love to see a tub that size spinning at 1600 though! Jon ( smackulated in Boston) | ||
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Post# 55213 , Reply# 6 1/29/2005 at 08:08 (7,027 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Excuse me Tom | ||
| Post# 55218 , Reply# 7 1/29/2005 at 08:48 (7,027 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas) | ||
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its my screen name Not a prob Jon! Many people do that. I think it is my screenname. JMIRAWM. Which if anyone is curious.....came from: J ust M y I magination R unning A way W ith M e! | ||
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Post# 55460 , Reply# 8 1/31/2005 at 15:27 (7,024 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Just read another patent on the Dyson!
This contrarotator is something! Its the only machine evermade with a WINDOW IN THE PUMP/COINTRAP!!! So the "user" can see what is caught in there without having to open it up and so the "user" can see if the impeller vanes are happily spinning about! It also has TWO motors just like the original GE AW-6! First machine to do that in 60 years! Jet | ||
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Post# 55481 , Reply# 9 1/31/2005 at 16:21 (7,024 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Now hold on, my mother's Bosch frontloader from 1966 had three (!) motors!! That was a frontloader too. It had a motor for washing, a motor for spinning and a motor for the pump. Besides that, every modern European washer has two motors! Overhere the Dyson disappeared from the stores, nobody was going to pay twice the price of a Miele for that thing. | ||
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Post# 55575 , Reply# 12 2/1/2005 at 10:49 (7,023 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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I'll give you 3 motors and 3 slaps!!!
Louis - I was only addressing the drive motors as all machines now have a seperate pump motor. The 1946 GE had a motor for spin and a motor for wash. So by your standard that makes the Dyson a 3 motor machine and by mine a 2 motor machine. I think Dyson will have to lower his asking price and be easily accessible to sell in volume to compete on the US market. Thats how it works over here. There are too many $900-$1700 machines at our local "box" stores just around the corner. American consumers on the whole are not looking for features they look for three things always and they are: "Brand name" and "easy use + results" and "price" in various orders of importance. I doubt anyone ( but washer people) over here will care that the DYSON can knock off 12 miuntes of wash because there are two tubs doing the work of one, especially on a new unknown brand. M2C jetcone | ||
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Post# 55579 , Reply# 13 2/1/2005 at 11:41 (7,023 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Slaphappy?
Well mister Jetcone, Where on earth do you get that second motor from? If I remember correctly the Dyson has only one motor and a transmission to run both drums. On the scan you posted here I don't see any information about two motors, is there more information you have? I would love to be enlightened on this topic. You'd better give us more detailed information, otherwise I might return those slaps!!! BTW, in my lunchbreak today I visited the only store here in town that had two Dysons on the floor, but they have both gone now. Enquiring mind in Europe | ||
| Post# 55587 , Reply# 14 2/1/2005 at 12:10 (7,023 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK) | ||
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Louis, Jon's right - the Dyson's have two separate motors here. That's one of the reasons why the blasted things are so damn noisy... Maybe you deserve a slap from me aswell ;-) Jon | ||
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Post# 55603 , Reply# 15 2/1/2005 at 13:25 (7,023 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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OK, I was wrong!
I really was convinced the Dyson had one motor and a transmission. I found a link to the innards of the Dyson. So slap away!!! I can take a few wimpy slaps!!! Sulking in Holland CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK | ||
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Post# 55714 , Reply# 17 2/2/2005 at 09:27 (7,022 days old) by Joe_in_Philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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designgeek, Have you seen the video of a clear-front Staber washer? Watch the video called "Overview of Staber Washer," under the Brief Video section. Joe CLICK HERE TO GO TO Joe_in_Philly's LINK | ||
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Post# 55737 , Reply# 18 2/2/2005 at 12:35 (7,022 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Ohh I think I'll slap you in person this summer!
Louis: Your photo does reveal and important element change from the patents!!! I see from the picture that the tub is suspended by springs! In the patents they outlined 8 shock absorbers as the suspension means. I was looking forward to playing with 8 shock absorbers as I think that will make it much more stable! They may still be there and the springs are just to carry the weight because now upon thinking Shock Absorbers can't carry or suspend weight! Can't wait to see it in person. Jon PS thanks to Jon LavaMat for backing me up against the fierce NL'er resolve! GEEZE!~ | ||
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Post# 55845 , Reply# 20 2/3/2005 at 11:42 (7,021 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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H-axis twintub
Designgeek, I know what you mean!! An H-axis twintub. Those were introduced in the late fifties or early sixties on the mainland of Europe (The UK had the more traditional twintubs with agitators or impellers). Unfortunately those models were not very efficient because the wash drum didn't spin. They had a fully automatic cycle with prewash, wash and five rinses. After that the laundry was transported to the spinner and with 2800rpm the laundry was spun dry. They spun the laundry much dryer than the old frontloaders with their lower spinspeeds. But you can't stop progress, when frontloaders got higher spinspeeds (1600, 1800 and even 2000rpm) there is no need for separate spinners or twintubs with a vertical axis centrifuge. And the new frontloaders are way more efficient with water than the H-axis twintubs. Here's a picture. 
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| Post# 55860 , Reply# 21 2/3/2005 at 13:52 (7,021 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 55862 , Reply# 22 2/3/2005 at 14:27 (7,021 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Water Usage | ||
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Post# 55867 , Reply# 23 2/3/2005 at 15:05 (7,021 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Well Jon, The H-axis twintubs as I explained do only spin in the vertical axis drum. So they don't spin between rinses which means that they need lots of water to get the suds out of the laundry. Ofcourse the normal H-axis toploaders (like the Miele in this picture) that spin in the same tub are just as efficient as any European frontloader. Louis 
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Post# 55877 , Reply# 24 2/3/2005 at 17:17 (7,021 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 55878 , Reply# 25 2/3/2005 at 17:18 (7,021 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 55957 , Reply# 27 2/4/2005 at 11:42 (7,020 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Designgeek, Actually those H-axis twintubs are more or less a thing of the past. AEG was the biggest manufacturer of these machines. They had a long life even when they were used intensively because they were actually quite simple machines. Because the washtub doesn't spin, there is no suspension. And they are very easy to repair. The housewives on the European continent didn't want to interfere with the washing process as the British housewives did with their classic twintubs. There is still one of these machines made, but if I'm informed well, the quality of that thing is not very impressive. It's a Velo, I added a link to a Dutch onlineshop (actually the only place you can get this thing I think). CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK | ||
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Post# 55959 , Reply# 28 2/4/2005 at 11:47 (7,020 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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BTW
A few years ago I made some pictures of the twintub of my friend Ed. They are in my Yahoo album. BTW, about the vertical spin, I don't think they are that big of an advantage anymore, new frontloaders with high spinspeeds like Miele have no problems with coping with the high spinspeeds. So there is really no need for an efficient H-axis toploader anymore. I also think that a manual operated machine like you think about should still rinse at least two or three times to get a decent rinse result. So there are a lot of moments for transporting the laundry. CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK | ||
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