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Thread Number: 11822
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Post# 210204 , Reply# 1 5/15/2007 at 14:44 (6,190 days old) by joeekaitis  (Rialto, California, USA) |
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| Post# 210205 , Reply# 2 5/15/2007 at 15:02 (6,190 days old) by washerman8 () | ||
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IMO, nothing beats an old fashioned toploader to get those clothes clean and smelling fresh. Clothes get to swim in enough water and leave all the dirt and pet hair behind. | ||
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Post# 210335 , Reply# 6 5/16/2007 at 07:01 (6,189 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 210363 , Reply# 7 5/16/2007 at 10:30 (6,189 days old) by hoovermatic (UK) | ||
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Apart from the pet hair issue, does your laundry come clean in your LG? | ||
| Post# 210369 , Reply# 8 5/16/2007 at 11:46 (6,189 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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Bob The doors are not good and tight to start with.. There is always a "puddle of water "outside these .. No big deal here but at a home I would be quite irate. | ||
| Post# 210424 , Reply# 10 5/16/2007 at 18:42 (6,189 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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James I have known several repairmen that have worked for L G the last one was VERY good. None of them last more than 2 or 3 mons. as LG treats them so BAAAD! | ||
| Post# 210425 , Reply# 11 5/16/2007 at 18:48 (6,189 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US) | ||
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James Did you complain to them also about the water levels? | ||
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Post# 210427 , Reply# 12 5/16/2007 at 19:14 (6,189 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Energy Star vs. Flexibility
That's what I don't like about the US washers: there's no (hardly any) flexibility. Our washers over here use very little water, too. However, there's always the option of increasing the water level by just a push of a button. By default, our washer uses 49 liters to wash a 6 kilo load (wash and three rinses) but if I want to, I can increase the water comsumption to over 80 liters. (see link below) I think it would be better, if all washers had an option to run a cycle in either an energy saving mode or with more water. Fisher & Paykel's version of the Cabrio works like that. More power to the user! ;) CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
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Post# 210435 , Reply# 14 5/16/2007 at 20:13 (6,189 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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I'm Sorry
But do not understand what is so special about draining wash water, then filling with fresh water (rinsing), without spinning before hand. My Miele does this for the Gentle, PP, and Woolens cycles. As for "tricking" cycles, it is pretty obvious appliance makers do not want person fooling around with water levels. Why is anyone's guess, ranging from fears of potential damage, to worrying about the government complaining that these "water saving" washing machines are not what they are supposed to be once gotten home. One thing to consider is many modern front loaders have very poor bearing/seals compared to some TOL models and or many vintage ones. Someone posted a link to a Swiss made washing machine that used water above the axis for rinsing. That surely means the bearings and seals are designed to such exposure on a routine basis. Most of today's American front loaders have the tubs and bearings together as one unit, and use some MOL or even BOL quality. Commercial front loaders are designed for easy bearing replacement, as some TOL front loaders. You can replace the bearings on a Miele, but the cost and effort may make one think twice. However the appaling six year average lifespan of many front loaders today is because of the piss poor bearing/seals which cannot last. Now if one starts adding more water that is surely going to hasten wear on such systems. Personally think we are going to see a huge backlash against water puny washing machines, as well as a large market for "vintage" washing machines, especially top loaders. You can bet many people who bought new homes and kicked those "old" washing machines and dishwashers to the curb for something new may be kicking themselves later. A good top loading washing machine with simple mechanical controls from say even the 1960's through 1980's will outlast much of the garbarge out there today. You pass landfills, appliance dumps and all you see are today's "electronic" controlled units for miles. L. | ||
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Post# 210453 , Reply# 17 5/16/2007 at 22:43 (6,189 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Have to see if I kept the link to an article found on the web years ago about front loading washer designs and water efficency. One of the things covered was the fact that once machines begin to go below a certian water level various systems need to be developed to aid in moving water through laundry. All front loading washing machines work on the principle of washing laundry by dropping it into a pool of concentrated water/detergent; and to and extent against other laundry/drum of the machine. However with very low water use this is not possible easily as there is too little water for "dropping" into. Article went on to explain about various coping systems to over come the problem such as spray injectors. Spray injectors were used in front loading washing machines long before LG came on the scene, with even some commercial units having the feature. Problem is the more "features" one introduces to a front loader, the more complicated it becomes which drives up the cost of an already expensive design model. Rinsing is a process of diluton, and even spraying water at the wash isn't going to help much with low water levels. This is why even when the wash cycles may be skimpy with water, rinses usually get a tad more water. There is also the problem that front loading washers are VERY sensitive to excess foam. This means detergents need to be rinsed out throughly if proper rinsing and spinning is to take place. Otherwise the machine simply will not be able to cope, not spin, and leave one with wet and soapy laundry. There are many ways to rinse in a front loader, some more water hogging than others. My Miele uses two or three deep rinses with no spins in between to dilute detergent out of the laundry. There is one quick 30 second spin between the third and forth rinse, then a long high speed spin after the fourth rinse, then another final rinse before final spin sequence. By "deep rinse", my Miele does just that, using the default water level for "Delicates" which has water nearly 1/4 up the window. IIRC each rinse uses about 10-12 gallons of water, maybe a bit more. However when combined with the proper HE detergent, all but the most over soaped loads are cleanly rinsed by the fifth and final rinse. Now many modern front loaders will cool the suds, drain, and go straight to spin, then one, two or three rinses with between spins and or spray rinses to force detergent out of laundry. How effective this is again will depend upon several factors including load size in relation to water levels, and detergent used. | ||
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Post# 210483 , Reply# 21 5/17/2007 at 05:41 (6,188 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Sin Agua No Puedes Lavar.  | ||
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Post# 210525 , Reply# 22 5/17/2007 at 11:14 (6,188 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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It's silly to forbid selling a certain type of washer, even in Europe we don't think about that. Put an energy label on it and the customer is very well able to make his own choice. That said I must say that it is a bit short sighted to totally ignore the water usage. The global warming is going much faster than most people expect. Areas that have enough water now may face a water shortage in the future. Overhere some measures are no lawn watering between sunrise and sunset and no car washing in the street but only in car washes where the water is recycled. | ||
| Post# 210655 , Reply# 26 5/18/2007 at 06:26 (6,187 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
ater level adjustment/front loders
Every front loding washer has a presure valve that is adjustible by the turn of a screw.It is located in the front right or rear left area above the outer wash tub just under the removeable top.The small star screw usualy has a red mark on it.Take a small allen wrench and turn it 1/4 yurn counterclockwise.leave the top off and start the washer.If the level is down more,turn the swcrew 1/2 in clockwise and repeat the process to see how much higher the water is.If you are sattisfied,leave it be.If not,turn the screw another 1/4 inch and repeat the process . Continue this untill the water level is at your desire.
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Post# 210663 , Reply# 27 5/18/2007 at 08:53 (6,187 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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As far as I know, the benefit of not spinning immediately after the wash is that you’re not forcing dirt and detergent INTO the laundry but rather diluting it before it can be spun out. Also, hot bearings are more sensitive – a rinse cycle will cool them before they have to cope with the forces generated by the spin cycle. That’s what I’ve heard and read several times. As far as energy and water conservation is concerned: I totally agree – no one should unnecessarily waste it. However, resent test in consumer magazines have shown that even the three rinses in Euro FLs don’t suffice to properly rinsing detergent out of the clothes. Most washers received a D or even an E for rinsing performance (on a scale from A to E). The only time a Good (B) result was achieved was when the Quick / Speed Wash cycles were tested because the load size had to be reduced to 50%. I’d really like to see how one of those US FL would score in one of these tests – considering they only have two rinses. OTOH of course - I don’t know how much better US H.E. detergents can be rinsed out of the laundry compared to their European counterparts. Maybe they only need two rinses to be flushed away – I don’t know. Alex | ||
| Post# 210915 , Reply# 28 5/19/2007 at 20:32 (6,186 days old) by sillysuds (new jersey) | ||
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Top load washers Best cleaning with top load washers and you can not beat the price. | ||
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