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Post# 237383   9/19/2007 at 19:46 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

My friend has a new GE washer full size 10,2 kg. I want to see it work!

Post# 237384 , Reply# 1   9/19/2007 at 19:47 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

GE 10.2 full size, 3 vanes on agitator.

Post# 237385 , Reply# 2   9/19/2007 at 19:48 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        
The vanes.

It must have an interesting washing action.

Post# 237386 , Reply# 3   9/19/2007 at 19:49 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

First load

Post# 237387 , Reply# 4   9/19/2007 at 19:52 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Excellent roll-over. Good washer.

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Post# 237388 , Reply# 5   9/19/2007 at 19:54 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        
Old Mother Owl.

My GE. New box 50th anniversary of OMO in Brazil.

Post# 237389 , Reply# 6   9/19/2007 at 19:55 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

My GE washer has agitation like Whirlpool Cabrio (but is not direct drive).

Post# 237390 , Reply# 7   9/19/2007 at 19:56 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Electrolux 12 kg High efficiency washer.

Post# 237391 , Reply# 8   9/19/2007 at 19:58 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Central dial 20 wash programs. Right dial – time.

Post# 237392 , Reply# 9   9/19/2007 at 19:59 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Dispenser and lint filter.

Post# 237393 , Reply# 10   9/19/2007 at 20:00 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Turbo dry switch.

Post# 237394 , Reply# 11   9/19/2007 at 20:00 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Blue rubber for wash tennis

Post# 237395 , Reply# 12   9/19/2007 at 20:01 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Consul Maré (Made by Brastemp-Whirlpool)

Post# 237396 , Reply# 13   9/19/2007 at 20:03 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Easy Water Level 1234…

Post# 237397 , Reply# 14   9/19/2007 at 20:04 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Dispenser 1234…

Post# 237398 , Reply# 15   9/19/2007 at 20:06 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        
And the Wash Tub 1234

The numerical ruler helps you to choose the right water level. I love this new agitator.

Post# 237407 , Reply# 16   9/19/2007 at 20:56 (4,200 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Thanks for posting all the excellent photos! I love the looks of the new GE and the Electrolux.

Post# 237413 , Reply# 17   9/19/2007 at 21:05 (4,200 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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I like the rubber booties on that agitator to prevent damages when washing sneaker/tennis shoes!

Post# 237420 , Reply# 18   9/19/2007 at 21:26 (4,200 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
shafted

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Why do Americans get shafted on everything?
We get the crappy washers.
We get the crappy cars.

None of our stuff looks as cool and probably doesn't perform as well as anything sold in Europe or elsewhere.

Why? Why is this?
Our own American companies make this cool stuff, and ship it out, never to sell it here. Why?
Ford in Europe and the U.K. is VERY popular and they have stylish, reliable cars.
That Brazilian GE washer looks amazing. If you were to compare it to a domestic American GE washer, you would laugh your ass off. It's crap.

I'm sick of being shafted with shit goods. Even the stuff foreign companies sell in the U.S. is inferior to the stuff they make at home.

WHY!!!!!?????


Post# 237437 , Reply# 19   9/20/2007 at 01:52 (4,200 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

I ask the same question about why does everything cost twice the price in the UK as it does in the US? Quick example, a Bose Waveradio in the UK is £500.00, I find it on US website for £250.00? Really empathise with you mate. You feel that you are shafted and I live in Rip Off Britain. Makes me V V ANGRY

Post# 237442 , Reply# 20   9/20/2007 at 03:23 (4,200 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Love the sure,powerful,LONG strokes of the agitator in the GE machine-they need to sell those here!!Beats the DD short strokers every time!

Post# 237452 , Reply# 21   9/20/2007 at 06:33 (4,200 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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~I ask the same question about why does everything cost twice the price in the UK as it does in the US?

Quality?

VAT?
Some European countries have a value-added tax. Basically in the USA the government takes about 1/3 of our pay off the top of what is earned [GROSS funds]as income taxes....to fund unpopular/unwanted wars and feed those that don't want to work, but I digress. We are left with NET funds.

My understanding is that income taxes in effect are built in to the prices (on the retail level)in many European countries.

My Greek realtives came to America and while were visiting bought a German washing machine and shipped it back to Greece. Of course it was *cough* "lightly used" for duty and fee purposes. They paid a NET price with GROSS wages, which made shippings costs appear minimal and the machine was still a great bargain to them.

With a VAT system all aspects of the cash economy appear to be taxed. Here other than a small sales tax (usually leadd than 10%)on a state or local level, the underground cash economy doesn't pay taxes. This attracts many skilled blue-collar tradesmen to this country.

It is diffcult to compare prices accurately across countries with very different tax and social structures.

There are price variatiosn even within this country itself. In my area housing and energy and taxes are high but in Gasget Gary's area those things are relativley less expesnive and food and clothing cost more. (inland land-locked location with no port....all is by truck. [lorry/lorrie (sp)?] In my area wages and job-opportunities are greater as well. Realtive purchasing power ("disposable income")is not always so easy to measure.




Post# 237454 , Reply# 22   9/20/2007 at 06:38 (4,200 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Pardon the typographcial errors, please. I'm not (completely) illiterate, just a bad and impatient proof-reader!


Post# 237455 , Reply# 23   9/20/2007 at 06:42 (4,200 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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VAT= Value-added tax.

Post# 237456 , Reply# 24   9/20/2007 at 06:50 (4,200 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
IGNIS! The pix-- in the pink section/forum

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In this thread we see:


Post# 237453-9/20/2007-06:37 ||| dj-gabriele (Bologna (ITALY))

Diomede, have a look at this, the USA actually have something like that! Staber produces a washer that is just like you IGNIS , have a look at their website! I think that it's the only firm that still has this kind of washing machine.
Thw drum rotates left and righ and is loaded from the top, opposed to the "usual" top loaders we see around in Europe. Have a look!
Anyway I believe that at STABER they're all thieves, the least expensive model costs around 1,300 dollars! That's 1,000 euros for a washer I can buy for 350 euros in any store!

Perhaps as a specialty item, this is not a fair comparison!


Post# 237469 , Reply# 25   9/20/2007 at 08:06 (4,200 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Toggleswitch: around 30% of all washers in Italy are top loader horizontal axis, and they outperform that machines by far and cost much less!
The most expensive TLHA washer we have in Italy is Miele W257F and is around 1100 euros, it's full featured and has double spin speed than the Staber, A+ energy, A washing, A spinning, using inbuilt heater it uses 0,93 KWh and only 47 litres of water. Miele is expensive (too much if you ask me) but is cheaper if you compare characteristics.
If you get upper end Italian made machine, Smeg STL120, it costs around 620 euros, and has the same characteristics as the Miele, the only difference it spins at 1200 rpm istead of 1300. Quite a bargain, eh?
Even a washer dryer combo (still top loading), San Giorgio Ghiblia SGLA 7120, is cheaper being "only" 790 euros!
You can get all the infos on www.kelkoo.it...

But why did you post this on another thread?


Post# 237484 , Reply# 26   9/20/2007 at 11:09 (4,200 days old) by brasilianguy ()        

TO johnb300m

I MUST desagree with you... i think exatelly the opposit...
USA have the bestest washers of the world. The most effiient, most reliable, and a lot more.... the brazilian washers only have design....they are cute, and just it! would you like an washer that takes 1 and a half hour to wash a load of clothes? but the avarege cycle has this duration! ok, i know that here in brazil the problem isn't the washers, but the quality of our soap, that only clean the clothes if they stay on soak for some time! besides, the brazilian washers brokes so easily and costs a lot to repair!
to finish, the don't have entrance to hot water and most of them only washs with cold wather, but it is commun here in brazil, couse we aren't used to use hot water... some washers (the electrolux shown in the pic above is one of this) have an internal heather that heats it's own water, but it takes too much energy and the few people that have washers with heating system don't use it!

ah, i can't forget to mention that here in brazil almost no one have dryer, so almost everybody line dryes the clothes and iron it after...


Post# 237490 , Reply# 27   9/20/2007 at 11:33 (4,200 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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But why did you post this on another thread?

Simply to show that a simialr machine in Europe costs less than here. The opposite point was being made as well.


Post# 237504 , Reply# 28   9/20/2007 at 13:05 (4,200 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Oh well, then I too must say that in Italy you can't find a dryer for less than 450 euros, when in UK they start at 250 euros, mean it, I already converted from pound sterling!
I think that every nation has its high and low prices for everything.


Post# 237527 , Reply# 29   9/20/2007 at 14:50 (4,200 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Mr. Bestcleaning washer, how come none of your Youtube videos have sound? I'd love to know how these washers sound.

Post# 237532 , Reply# 30   9/20/2007 at 15:59 (4,200 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
hmmmm

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TO johnb300m

I MUST desagree with you... i think exatelly the opposit...
USA have the bestest washers of the world. The most effiient, most reliable, and a lot more.... the brazilian washers only have design....they are cute, and just it! would you like an washer that takes 1 and a half hour to wash a load of clothes? but the avarege cycle has this duration! ok, i know that here in brazil the problem isn't the washers, but the quality of our soap, that only clean the clothes if they stay on soak for some time! besides, the brazilian washers brokes so easily and costs a lot to repair!




Maybe I stand corrected.


Post# 237534 , Reply# 31   9/20/2007 at 16:08 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Vinicius - Our washers can live a long time if you take care on. Bearing always break and IT IS NOT EXCLUSIVE ON BRAZILLIAN WASHERS. My machines never break because I use correctly.
PS – Você deveria se informar melhor sobre a durabilidade das lavadoras Americanas. As Whirlpool sempre dão problemas no câmbio (mudança de lavagem para centr.),(video no youtube), no automático e, sem contar no acoplamento do motor direct drive que sempre quebra. O agitador da Calypso não suporta grandes cargas de roupas(video no youtube) As Maytags (feita pela extinta Maytag) usam engrenagens de plástico (vídeo no youtube) e sempre dão problemas na transmissão. Minhas máquinas americanas usam os mesmos rolamentos das brasileiras, e gastam do mesmo jeito. Use seu conhecimento em inglês e pesquise antes de falar bobagem. Eu fiz este Thread para divulgar nossas boas máquinas. Se você não puder ajudar, não atrapalhe. Obrigado


Post# 237535 , Reply# 32   9/20/2007 at 16:12 (4,200 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Funguy10

I promise better videos

Rodrigo


Post# 237546 , Reply# 33   9/20/2007 at 18:10 (4,200 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Are those Electrolux and Brastemp machines in your collection or are they pending additions?

Post# 237550 , Reply# 34   9/20/2007 at 18:45 (4,200 days old) by funguy10 ()        

And to toggleswitch, the Staber washing machines clean so well. They can whiten yellowed out whites on 1 ounce of detergent and bleach! However, the company is indeed very greedy. the company only sell the washer online and for 1,300 dollars when it would only cost about 350 dollars in stores. Also, if the machine breaks down, they have NO costomer service and want YOU to fix it ordering expensive parts off thier site!

Post# 237555 , Reply# 35   9/20/2007 at 19:14 (4,199 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
They are not about to give anything away to feed anyone'

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~However, the company is indeed very greedy.
~When it would only cost about 350 dollars in stores.

And we know this HOW?
And we assume this based on what?


Sorry but without your age, first name and gender in your profile, I simple can't put forth the effort to respond to statements such as these which appear to be more emotionally, rather than logically, based.

If their sales volume is low, they may require a high mark-up to cover their fixed costs such as overhead, rent, taxes, R&D and their founder's Mercedes or Cadillac SUV.


Post# 237558 , Reply# 36   9/20/2007 at 19:32 (4,199 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Ok so maybe they are not true. But the costomer service thing is.

Post# 237559 , Reply# 37   9/20/2007 at 19:56 (4,199 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Funguy10
All machines are in my collection. Except Consul and GE 10.2


Post# 237594 , Reply# 38   9/20/2007 at 22:26 (4,199 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

Electrolux 12 kg is not High efficiency washer becase use a lot of water and soap. Have the most complicated panel of the world and the programs are inespecificals!
Brastemp and GE Brazilian washer are good because it's ease to use and the results are incredibles. GE is delicate and broke easily. Brastemp it's my favorite and more tradicional on Brazil, I think is the best washer but the price is expensive. Ge washer are new and the results are catastrofic. Electrolux is "so so"... if you have good lucky electrolux is good... ehheheeh


Post# 237598 , Reply# 39   9/20/2007 at 22:52 (4,199 days old) by brasilianguy ()        

well, firstly i think you should had post your answer in english so all the members here could understand....
about what you said, i was just expressing my opinion..... i read a lot about the american washers, so i think that i have enough knowledge to say what i said! the american washers are like the "Brastemp Luxo", and is a fact that they last much more longer than our new washers and are cheaper to repair.....as it's a fact too that our washers take 2 full hours to get the clothes clean, while the american ones do it at the most in 45 minutes
no problem that you want to expose our washers, i really think it's nice, but you can't be angry about me exposing my opinion.
to finish, the comunity is for all to expose their opinion, and it's what i'm doing.... sorry if i frustrate you, it wasn't my intention!

Vinny...


Post# 237705 , Reply# 40   9/21/2007 at 14:18 (4,199 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

For brastemp member:
I am technician, I work and I repair washers more than 10 year. I know what I say. I get fantastic results on Electrolux washer WITH COLD WATER. You don’t know nothing about Electrolux and GE washers. You never used these machines and you don’t know what you say. It’s all prejudiced opinion. I know that you have a BIG prejudice with Electrolux washer. I’m sorry.
I’d love that you could use these machines and love it more. Like I do.
Sorry.


Post# 237718 , Reply# 41   9/21/2007 at 15:24 (4,199 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Are you going to add the Consul and the GE 10.2 to your collection?

Post# 237758 , Reply# 42   9/21/2007 at 19:30 (4,198 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Hi funguy10 - The GE 10.2 and Consul are of my neighbors.


Post# 237766 , Reply# 43   9/21/2007 at 21:15 (4,198 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

For bestcleaning member!

I think, electrolux is your personal favorite washer... see on www.reclameaqui.com.br..., the big maiority of the washers troubles are electrolux. The people likes on the begining but when this washers broken the repair is expansive!

PS: I have washer and dryer electrolux on my house! But my favorite top loader washer (and more tradicional on Brazil is Brastemp)


Post# 237768 , Reply# 44   9/21/2007 at 21:47 (4,198 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

UUUUUUUUUUUUll. I'm easy! hehehehehehehehehe

Post# 237810 , Reply# 45   9/22/2007 at 09:49 (4,198 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
Smart Washers

Hello Rodrigo,
Those are smart looking washers, I love the styling of the Electrolux. The agitator on the GE reminds me of the vintage GE washers some members own, very retro looking.

Good health and happy washing.

David


Post# 237850 , Reply# 46   9/22/2007 at 14:05 (4,198 days old) by bestcleaning ()        

Thank you David

Post# 238010 , Reply# 47   9/23/2007 at 10:16 (4,197 days old) by bewitched (Italy)        

Dj Gabriele... since when Smeg is considered an upper end brand? If you get a closer look to the STL 120 you will probably notice it is a rebadged Whirlpool machine... The top of Miele top load washing machines range is the W 297 VPM (water proof metal, 1400 rpm spin) which solds for around 1600 euro. Perhaps Miele washing machines are too expensive but no other washing machines are built like them. Have a close look at them, use them and you'll instantly notice the difference!




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