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Post# 240950 , Reply# 2   10/7/2007 at 21:39 (6,045 days old) by dick_s. ()   |   | |
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of the washer timer and controls is going to be my biggest fear and a major feat for me. One of the former owners pulled almost every wire off the machine......And I mean everywhere! |
Post# 240957 , Reply# 5   10/7/2007 at 22:11 (6,045 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 240959 , Reply# 6   10/7/2007 at 22:16 (6,045 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 240981 , Reply# 8   10/8/2007 at 06:16 (6,044 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)   |   | |
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Post# 240991 , Reply# 9   10/8/2007 at 07:34 (6,044 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 240994 , Reply# 10   10/8/2007 at 08:08 (6,044 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)   |   | |
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I might have a 3 solenoid valve from a mid 60's LK. |
Post# 240995 , Reply# 11   10/8/2007 at 08:10 (6,044 days old) by kenmore58 (Rhode Island)   |   | |
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Post# 240996 , Reply# 12   10/8/2007 at 08:23 (6,044 days old) by westyslantfront ()   |   | |
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Hi Dick. Beautiful looking machines. Look forward to seeing them. Ross |
Post# 241091 , Reply# 16   10/8/2007 at 17:25 (6,044 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 241117 , Reply# 17   10/8/2007 at 19:28 (6,044 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 241126 , Reply# 18   10/8/2007 at 20:07 (6,044 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 241139 , Reply# 20   10/8/2007 at 21:05 (6,044 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 241304 , Reply# 21   10/9/2007 at 16:38 (6,043 days old) by harvestgold (Deland, Florida )   |   | |
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Dick Congrats wow what a find they are just beautiful, I can`t wait to see them hope you can get them running soon talk soon john |
Post# 241424 , Reply# 22   10/10/2007 at 00:43 (6,042 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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Congradulations! Dick on your find finally i get to say something to you,i told Robert that ive i did'nt run across this web site, i dont think i would have gotten thru cancer &kemo, and your collection i kept looking at when i was ill totally killed the pain kept one of your washers on the screen all the time as well as others many otheres and i will think them as i see these great group of peaple on the site. My aunt maggie had these units and she allowed me to WASH on my on. She had a lot of clothes i would wash all day, the tube lite looks good at night man the first vintage machine i washed in it was old then at that time around 1974 for me. I love Kenmo washers and your collection is great! i hope to visit and talk to u someday P.S. Id talked u up on modern. Thread#13720check it out, Qwestion was that model on modern was the last of the lighted control kenmores to your knowlege thanks. best Darren k I got thru with your enthusiasem for your machines & beauty of them!
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Post# 241492 , Reply# 23   10/10/2007 at 09:26 (6,042 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)   |   | |
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Post# 241512 , Reply# 24   10/10/2007 at 10:46 (6,042 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 241622 , Reply# 25   10/10/2007 at 20:00 (6,042 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 241627 , Reply# 26   10/10/2007 at 21:16 (6,042 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)   |   | |
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Would be neato to collect a good audio of at least two classic Lady K's in action.--Laundry Shark |
Post# 241726 , Reply# 28   10/11/2007 at 09:26 (6,041 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)   |   | |
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Post# 241727 , Reply# 29   10/11/2007 at 09:33 (6,041 days old) by ~sudsshane ()   |   | |
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Congrats on your BEAUTIFUL Lady Kenmore's! That set is on my dream list! Have fun with them! Shane |
Post# 241731 , Reply# 30   10/11/2007 at 09:52 (6,041 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 242221 , Reply# 36   10/13/2007 at 16:42 (6,039 days old) by northwesty (Renton, WA)   |   | |
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If you can make any sense of it |
Post# 242235 , Reply# 37   10/13/2007 at 17:52 (6,039 days old) by funguy10 ()   |   | |
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Could you post the washer and dryer manuals online? How about videos? I've wanted to see these machines in action! |
Post# 242307 , Reply# 40   10/14/2007 at 04:07 (6,038 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Dick, One of my jobs as lowest on the shop totem pole was rewiring washers and such. Maybe some of the things I learned back then well help you out a bit. 1) It never hurts to check twice that the power is off. Not just because you can kill yourself, but because you can easily destroy a hard to find part. 2) A cheap VOM (I would plead for a digital one which beeps or whistles at you when you have a connection, 'bout 25$ at Homo Depot) will make your life enormously easier by saving lots of stooping, bending and such. 3)It pays to take pictures, pictures, pictures. Back then, digital cameras weren't realistic so my boss paid for Poloroid instant photography. Boy, was it worth it. I still make lots of sketches and write things down...if you remember, back in 2006 that really helped when my niece let her daughter pull all the wires out of the timer block on the Maytag I was fixing...and boy was I glad I had locked away the machine's 120V plug...). A side bonus of those pictures: Someone here has always worked on the same or a similar machine and can usually diagnose the problem for you from a picture very quickly. 4) Always test one run of new wiring at a time. With a VOM, you can do most of that testing very fast and easily. Just never wire up more than one functional group at a time. A functional group would be, for instance WATER: Timer block, water pressure sensor, water level switch, water temperature, solenoids. Definitely the scariest of all the wiring in the washer...but also easy to work out logically. If it would help, be glad to describe this group in detail with wiring in another post...unless I am so confusing here you'd rather eat broken glass. The whole neutral, grounded and live thing. Sometimes "live" is called "hot". Sometimes it is called "potential" or 120V or "phase". Same with neutral; sometimes it is called "return" or simply "N". Some folks get upset when we don't use the absolutely proper term for things, but I suggest you stick with whatever Whirlpool called them... Here's a quick run down on the whole neutral thingee for you. Let's start at the beginning. When power comes into the machine, there are three wires. One is to ground all the metal parts of the machine. This one may be a floppy old bare or green wire running from a screw on the frame to a cold-water pipe clamp, or one of the three from the three prong plug. Some older machines have only a two-prong plug, never mind for now. We can ignore this grounding one for now (but be sure it is in place before the machine goes into use!). The second wire is called the "live" wire and this is the one which all the switches and pressure valves, etc. get to play with. It is usually black and often called "L1". The third wire is called the "neutral" wire and this one will, in the end, be the easiest for you to deal with. In order for the timer, the water pressure valve, the water temperature switch, the light switch, etc. to control all those things, you only need to switch the power on and off at one of the two wires involved. Oh, I know - there are like a billion wires going to and from everything...but in every case, the actual switching on and off is not as complicated as you might think. All that really gets turned on or off as the control wire is that live or hot or phase or L1 wire... The neutral wires, because they do not get switched off and on, are usually grouped together and all hooked up together at points through the washer. Some machines, Maytags for instance, did this on the timer block - it made things pretty easy. Others do this at various places you might not think of. Some German machines used the water solenoid as a good junction for all those neutrals...why not? There was room and it was roughly in the middle of everything, which saved on wire. Regardless...those neutrals are not mysterious or problematic. In wiring things up, they are just like any other wires. Here's an example: If your look at the water solenoid valves, you will see that there is one less wire going to them from the harness than you would expect. If there are two solenoids, you will find three, not four wires - two control wires - one for hot, one for cold and the third for neutral which is attached to both solenoids. If there are three solenoids, you will find three control wires and still just one neutral. You will probably end up having to get wires from several harnesses to build your own wiring. The whole point of a "harness" is just economy. As long as the wires are mechanically and electrically safe, you can run them one-by-one if you have to (and it sounds like you may have to). No big deal. You will probably find that there are at least three different kinds of connector in that machine. If you absolutely have to make a wire from scratch, use a 14AWG appliance wire, be sure the role says: “UL1230 - Complies with UL style 1230 and CSA style AWM Type 1” (you can buy these at Radio Shack or Homo Depot, ask for help to be sure you get the right stuff) and be sure to read up on how to crimp the connectors on right. It isn't hard, but most newbies crimp the hell out of them and then wonder why they break...(The anal retentive crowd would now suggest appropriate colors and a range of wires from 12AWG to 18. Ain't necessary, don't trouble yourself. I really, really, hope you are able to find wires from other machines to do this. I don't recommend splicing wires together, and hope to hell you don't have to make up any yourself, but you may have no choice when you get to that motor.) I think it would help a lot if you posted some photos of the various control devices and their mechanisms. As folks have pointed out, nothing has really changed here in the last fifty years or so and someone can probably post a picture or diagram right back showing how these are wired together. |
Post# 242344 , Reply# 41   10/14/2007 at 10:38 (6,038 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 242389 , Reply# 43   10/14/2007 at 19:18 (6,038 days old) by dick_s. ()   |   | |
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This pic shows the sudsaver, the warm/cold rinse, and the ballast/junction boxes for the flourescent light. Oh, and the end of cycle bell. |
Post# 242403 , Reply# 44   10/14/2007 at 20:47 (6,038 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)   |   | |
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The last time I had to take anything apart it was the gauge cluster of my Volvo. Did you know a speedometer can take up an entire kitchen table whan it's in pieces? <:-D) Take some adheasive labels and attach them to both ends of your pieces of wires (just keep tham away from hot things). Write on both sides of the flag, on both ends of the wire, what the wire connects to at the other end. Trust me, you will be glad you did when you are connecting one end, and you can read what the other end is attached to without having to stop and double chack your notes. Also, check out Robert's restoration of his '57. The pictures are great and maybe they could be of help. Good luck all the 57 Lady needs is fins, Dave |
Post# 242428 , Reply# 46   10/14/2007 at 23:49 (6,037 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Basically: Yup. You are right that in a any case where there are only two wires, like to a water valve, it doesn't matter electrically. Where, however, the manufacturer has gone to the trouble to indicate a preference, then follow it. Condensors, for instance. Thanks for the pictures. I can see why you took this one on, she will be beautiful. Two suggestions before you get started. 1) I started wrapping PVC tape around existing connectors a while back. Remove them, gently wrap them and replace them. New connectors I install in areas like that are always insulated. Maybe I am paranoid, but it just seems like common sense with all those metal components lying around. 2) I suggest you find out, if you haven't already, what sort of condition all the switches and pressure valves, etc. are in before you start rewiring. That pressure valve, for instance can have a tube hooked up to it. You blow into it until it clicks (may have a few clicks available, or just one, I am not an expert on this model. If you blow till it clicks then cover the tube with your thumb...does it lose air quickly or stay clicked? Ideally, it should stay clicked indefinitely. If it reclicks quickly, then you have a blown diaphram (or leaky thumbs :-(((! Are you comfortable with testing switches using a VOM? If not, let us know, be happy to explain how I do it. Saves a whale of a lot of time to be wiring something you know is good instead of working your ass off and it turns out the part is bad. Oh, one thing. Never run the wires tightly. Always lay the bundles or separate wires so they won't get sliced or diced, burnt or wet...but leave enough "play" that you can field test a part or remove it without having to stretch or disconnect the other end of the wire(s). I know it was common practice in the 50's to just tape wires to the metal to keep them out of the way, but I wouldn't today. Thanks to home made PCs and modding, you can get those little cable holders, wiring tubes, etc, et al. from PC shops. Makes our lives much easier and the job much cleaner. |
Post# 242602 , Reply# 48   10/15/2007 at 22:29 (6,036 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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That went fast! Good for you! You can search ebay and the internet. Probably you will find stuff like in the link below. I don't know...you would have to redo every single connector... But, Dick, if I am not mistaken...almost all the wiring you need to do is going to be of switches and parts which are very close to each other. Doesn't somebody pre-package that sort of wire, or am I thinking of the 1970's again...you know, lengths of a few inches out to 18 or so with insulated connectors at both ends. If someone still does that, it would solve like 90% of your problem. CLICK HERE TO GO TO panthera's LINK on eBay |
Post# 242643 , Reply# 49   10/16/2007 at 02:07 (6,036 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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Post# 244954 , Reply# 50   10/28/2007 at 10:51 (6,024 days old) by dick_s. ()   |   | |
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I am still working on the wiring harness sit. for the washer and will keep everyone updated. What I would like |
Post# 244983 , Reply# 51   10/28/2007 at 14:42 (6,024 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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Please, tell us!!!! Haven't you got that running yet? Hell by the time I left I had it so all you had to do was plug it in and select the setting and push in the timer!!! Some peepull!!!! |
Post# 245624 , Reply# 52   11/1/2007 at 10:25 (6,020 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 247812 , Reply# 55   11/11/2007 at 19:44 (6,010 days old) by dick_s. ()   |   | |
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And.....I replaced the lights. I won't be running it all that often as I don't want to buy my electric utility company! ((--:: But.....once in awhile I will enjoy watching and listening to it dry a load. |
Post# 247816 , Reply# 56   11/11/2007 at 20:30 (6,010 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 247842 , Reply# 57   11/11/2007 at 21:44 (6,009 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 247848 , Reply# 58   11/11/2007 at 23:21 (6,009 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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Dryer. And when not drying clothes, you may use it to keep the Laundry Studio Warm as toast. |
Post# 247888 , Reply# 59   11/12/2007 at 08:39 (6,009 days old) by northwesty (Renton, WA)   |   | |
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Good going Dick, sounds like your are getting sooo close! |
Post# 247904 , Reply# 60   11/12/2007 at 09:37 (6,009 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 248985 , Reply# 64   11/18/2007 at 23:43 (6,002 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 248988 , Reply# 65   11/18/2007 at 23:59 (6,002 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 248992 , Reply# 66   11/19/2007 at 00:17 (6,002 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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Now you better start saving them suds. Summers just around the corner and you know how that well starts to drying up!!!! |
Post# 248993 , Reply# 67   11/19/2007 at 00:19 (6,002 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 249004 , Reply# 68   11/19/2007 at 01:45 (6,002 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 249005 , Reply# 69   11/19/2007 at 01:54 (6,002 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 249092 , Reply# 70   11/19/2007 at 12:02 (6,002 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Post# 249095 , Reply# 71   11/19/2007 at 12:14 (6,002 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 249105 , Reply# 72   11/19/2007 at 13:25 (6,002 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Post# 249108 , Reply# 73   11/19/2007 at 14:34 (6,002 days old) by funguy10 ()   |   | |
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How about a full cycle vid of my favorite vintage washer? Of course I mean this washer. |
Post# 249173 , Reply# 75   11/19/2007 at 21:56 (6,001 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 249186 , Reply# 76   11/20/2007 at 00:49 (6,001 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)   |   | |
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Congrats on getting your resto completed! I love your videos and I can't wait for this one. Have a good one, James |
Post# 249204 , Reply# 77   11/20/2007 at 06:14 (6,001 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 249205 , Reply# 78   11/20/2007 at 06:22 (6,001 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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Dick you sure did a wonderful job restoring these beauties! I really commend you on the re-wiring job you did. Superb. |
Post# 249235 , Reply# 79   11/20/2007 at 10:38 (6,001 days old) by harvestgold (Deland, Florida )   |   | |
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Dick Wow you outdid yourself buddy i can`t wait to come over for a vist and see that machine i am so proud of you that a way to go John |
Post# 249378 , Reply# 80   11/20/2007 at 23:24 (6,000 days old) by northwesty (Renton, WA)   |   | |
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What a job rewiring and putting together a whole machine out of spare parts, even down to the white tub! Amazing. Really the consummate vintage machine those 57s. |
Post# 249381 , Reply# 81   11/20/2007 at 23:57 (6,000 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)   |   | |
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Post# 249406 , Reply# 82   11/21/2007 at 06:31 (6,000 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Post# 252933 , Reply# 86   12/8/2007 at 21:15 (5,983 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 252958 , Reply# 88   12/8/2007 at 23:08 (5,982 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 252971 , Reply# 90   12/9/2007 at 01:53 (5,982 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)   |   | |
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So far, no email has arrived with that file. Hope it did not bounce back because it exceeded the attachment limit, but will continue to keep close watch.--Laundry Shark |
Post# 252977 , Reply# 91   12/9/2007 at 06:17 (5,982 days old) by funguy10 ()   |   | |
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What does the hair dryer attachment foe the dryer do? Does your washer have a drum light and an ultra-violet grem lamp like Unimatic 1140's 1957 Lady Kenmores have? |
Post# 252995 , Reply# 93   12/9/2007 at 08:57 (5,982 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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That's quite wonderful! wash, wash, wash , go the jeans; as a certain other laundryophile once quipped! Imagine ; a "husk" from Alameda to Morongo by way of Grass Valley, Madera, Tehechapi and Barstow! You Go Boy!!!! |
Post# 253005 , Reply# 94   12/9/2007 at 09:51 (5,982 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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What a great video Dick - we are all very proud of you. The Lady looks wonderful - and I agree about the filter, looks fab! I noticed the 'knock' noise that it was making during the agitaton stroke. My '59 makes a similar noise as well - unfortunately I have a feeling it is more than the suspension rods as it has made that noise on all loads, regardless of temp. Any suggestions? Ben |
Post# 253010 , Reply# 95   12/9/2007 at 09:56 (5,982 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 253077 , Reply# 97   12/9/2007 at 17:39 (5,982 days old) by customline (pennsylvania)   |   | |
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I am very impressed by your restoration. Hope you have many years of happy washing. |
Post# 253102 , Reply# 98   12/9/2007 at 19:04 (5,982 days old) by funguy10 ()   |   | |
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Speaking of owner's manuals, could you post them both online? |
Post# 253184 , Reply# 99   12/9/2007 at 22:38 (5,981 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)   |   | |
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You might have better luck with YouSendIt or some other file sharing service.--Laundry Shark |
Post# 253198 , Reply# 100   12/10/2007 at 02:13 (5,981 days old) by spinout (Phoenix)   |   | |
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What are the model no.s again? I probably have the schematics for both machines (as well as other service information) on a microfiche card. I would be glad to retrieve it for you. |
Post# 257755 , Reply# 103   1/4/2008 at 22:17 (5,955 days old) by tlee618 ()   |   | |
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Thanks for sharing the picture Dick, Ross looks very happy there but who wouldn't with your beautiful machines to use. |
Post# 257763 , Reply# 104   1/4/2008 at 23:03 (5,955 days old) by danelto (State College, PA)   |   | |
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Congratulations, Dick. You need to be proud of yourself. What an accomplishment! Your success is inspiration for all of us who are not mechanically inclined. Bravo! Dan |
Post# 257782 , Reply# 105   1/5/2008 at 02:03 (5,955 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 257816 , Reply# 106   1/5/2008 at 06:48 (5,955 days old) by westyslantfront ()   |   | |
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Hi Dick. Thank you for inviting me and giving me the opportunity to see your beautiful collection, especially the pink Lady K set. I look forward to a return visit. Ross |
Post# 257826 , Reply# 107   1/5/2008 at 08:10 (5,955 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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Wow, and Ross has really lost the weight! Congratulations Ross! |
Post# 262120 , Reply# 111   1/28/2008 at 22:35 (5,931 days old) by dick_s. ()   |   | |
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of watchin' those old Kenmores. Just love em. Terry-it is always nice to hear from you and hope that 63 pink Maytag is runnin' super. And to Danelto and Washerlover-thanks for your nice comments. |
Post# 262127 , Reply# 112   1/29/2008 at 01:54 (5,931 days old) by washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 262210 , Reply# 113   1/29/2008 at 17:30 (5,931 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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You know full well that I only loaned those and the Copper V's to you! Honestly ; some collectors just need to get a grip!!! |
Post# 262211 , Reply# 114   1/29/2008 at 17:44 (5,931 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 262231 , Reply# 115   1/29/2008 at 22:16 (5,930 days old) by tlee618 ()   |   | |
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Dick not to worry that beautiful Maytag Highlander is running like a champ!! You need to get down here one day and see it in person. Terry |
Post# 262382 , Reply# 118   1/30/2008 at 22:10 (5,929 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)   |   | |
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They just become off balance!--Laundry Shark |
Post# 262397 , Reply# 119   1/30/2008 at 23:53 (5,929 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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Post# 262499 , Reply# 120   1/31/2008 at 12:24 (5,929 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 262536 , Reply# 121   1/31/2008 at 14:50 (5,929 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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Post# 262538 , Reply# 122   1/31/2008 at 15:04 (5,929 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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01/31/2008 Woo-hoo! 122 I Have the cover for the back of the "Split-level Console/ Back Splash" would you like me to bring when I come in a few weeks????? |
Post# 262541 , Reply# 123   1/31/2008 at 15:16 (5,929 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 264131 , Reply# 124   2/9/2008 at 20:19 (5,920 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)   |   | |
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*grins* Just checking on Dick and his blushing ladies. Colder than a well-digger's butt outside! So I'm attempting to kill bordom by hanging around up here, as I am taking a break from writing second edition of my book.--Laundry Shark |
Post# 264145 , Reply# 126   2/9/2008 at 23:00 (5,919 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 266825 , Reply# 127   2/27/2008 at 01:23 (5,902 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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