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Post# 44525   9/5/2004 at 18:26 (7,199 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Last week Best Buy ran the Siemens washer ad. Any club members used or seen this one yet? Robert the new format is great. Thanks alr2903




Post# 44531 , Reply# 1   9/5/2004 at 20:15 (7,199 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
Lowes has Seimens

While checking out things at Lowes Last night -noticed thy have the Seimens washers and Dryer pair as well.(FL washer)It looked like the same one BB has.Lowes also has the Bosch dishwashers.They have changed their appliance lineup somewhat-no longer emphasizing the builders brand models!

Post# 44532 , Reply# 2   9/5/2004 at 20:30 (7,199 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Siemans are rebadged Bosch Nexxt washers/dryers with basically the same features under the bonnet. Bosch and Siemans are part of the same parent company "BSH Group" and both divisons are planning major incursions into the United States major and small kitchen appliance market.

IIRC the Sieman units are only sold at Best Buy for the moment.

Bosh Nexxt washers are getting great reviews by some, others have had problems but that is to be expected with any new appliance model. A recall/replacement was done on the Bosch Nexxt washer's door but besides that have not heard of major problems.

Of all the tilt drum uber-front loaders would say the Bosch comes closest in "commercial" quality, IMHO. The door closes like that of an upscale Mercedes. That is not only is it heavy and soild, but actually closes itself. Some buyers are reporting excessive washer vibration during the higher spin cycles, but this could be do to flooring problems and the weight of the machine (about 215lbs).

Launderess


Post# 44535 , Reply# 3   9/5/2004 at 20:53 (7,199 days old) by Ironrite ()        
Door on Bosch

I just looked at those today at Lowes. That may explain why the door didn't close properly if it has an automatic feature. Though my Frigidaire F/L set is about 2 1/2 years old, I've been looking at some of the newer, larger machines. The Frigidaire is great, but recently bought a new king size bed, and some of the king sized linens are going to be a tight fit in the machine.

Post# 44536 , Reply# 4   9/5/2004 at 20:54 (7,199 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
Washers and floor problems

Yes-when looking at the nameplate on the Bosch dishwasher at Lowes(it was displayed next to a KA machine)its nameplate mentioned it was built in the US-but didn't tell the location.I didn't notice the place where the Seimens "Nexxt" washer and dryers were built. Why doesn't the dryer have a window?just thought for matching of appearence-but then answered my own question-maybe for heat retention.
Onb the flooring-esp wood,plywood or particle board flooring--The vibration from the washers spinning(doesn't matter wether FL or TL)the low frequency viration from the washer can find the resonant frequency of the floor-intensifying the shaking.Some movie theaters are starting to build their cinemas with wooden floors to use the floor as a "passive subwoofer"to intensify the sound and vibrations of explosions,crashes,etc.The floor is "tuned" to the lower frequencies emitted by the theater subwoofer. This is being done in home theaters as well.Don't mount your washer on the theaters floor!!Maybe the washer would be good for the 'quake scenes in "Earthquake"


Post# 44538 , Reply# 5   9/5/2004 at 21:25 (7,199 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
Other Bosch questions

I don't know on the Bosch appliance line-but the "Bosch" line of power tools is under the Skil-Emerson ownership.Emerson also owns Dremel.Is the Bosch major appliances under Emerson ownership as well?When I repaired and sold power tools(mid 80s)Bosch tools were all built in Germany or Switzerland(jig saws)and The drills and hammer drills were from Germany.Now the Bosch tools are made in the US.The jigsaws are still from Switzerland.Bosch bought up "Scintilla" company that built the first hand held jigsaws.-before WW 2.

Post# 44540 , Reply# 6   9/5/2004 at 21:44 (7,199 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Bosch appliances are built in their New Bern, North Carolina, USA plant. If you notice the spec plates for the Nexxt washers (have not seen the Siemans)states Nexxt washers are only assembled in the United States, says nothing about where the parts are made. IIRC read somewhere (Appliance Magazine?) quite a bit of parts/materials for the washers and dryers comes from Europe and merely assembed in the US. This makes sense as it allows the product to state "Made in the United States" and avoid high import duties on pre-made appliances.

On the Bosch Nexxt door:

It is not totally automatic, rather as the door reaches a certian angle (it opens to 180 degrees), it simply closes itself. User only need push it a little to make a complete close. Can't tell how it is done, but after "playing" with the door and studying the physics for a bit, methinks it has something to do with the tilt of the washer drum/apppliance.

Have attached a link to a great Bosch article in last month's Appliance Magazine.

Launderess


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Post# 44541 , Reply# 7   9/5/2004 at 21:48 (7,199 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Tolivac

Your great post notwithstanding, methinks the floor vibratons when using the Nexxt are due to the heft of the washer and bad flooring conditions, with perhaps a dose of poor leveling thrown into the mix.

At 215lbs Bosch washers aren't exactly light, and will need firm support. Add to this the tilted drum design, and you could have some serious problems with balancing and vibrations.



Post# 44546 , Reply# 8   9/5/2004 at 22:33 (7,199 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
Bosch machine factory

Wow! that location is just down the street from me.New Bern is about 15 miles from me.New Bern NC is becoming an industrial area.
As far a washer weight goes-some older TL machines can weigh over 215Lbs-Thats EMPTY weight. Imagine it with the water.Put it another way I would BEWARE of any machine that is less than 200 Pounds weight. Probably means plastic components.In any case-wether it be a TL machine or the Bosch-the wood floor will have to be reinforced if you have severe vibration from the machine in its spin cycle.Even changing the location slightly(try to put the washer over a floor joist or beam-the floor is strongest there)
On parts-The foreign name appliances could be in the same catagory as home entertainmentSony and others have built factorys in the US to build the products. Same with cars as well. The import duty would be much less-if any on parts.
Next time I see the Bosch washer-will try the door. The closing sounds like door balance-sort of like a fridge-if the machine is leveled correctly-the door closes by balance of its weight and mass.The tech installing my fridge went thru that.He adjusted the balance of the box until the door closed by simply moving it to a certain location. Still works like that today.does the Bosch washer have an electronic lock that latches the door after it closes?Yes-I would thinki poor balancing of the washer would cause it to go off balance when it spins. Doesn't the newer FL machines have a "balance" mode before it goes to spin-like the machine breifly reverses and forward rotates its drum to distribute the clothes.


Post# 44547 , Reply# 9   9/5/2004 at 22:39 (7,199 days old) by petebldg9 ()        
Bosch Washers

I was browsing through my local Best Buy on Friday. It usually starts with the CD section (I'm always in the market for music), then ends in the laundry section. I was stunned to find the ratio of front-loaders to top-loaders at around 50-50! I knew it would get there, but not so soon. My Bosch Axxis pair is two years old. I have the compact models...not the full-size ones now available. They are great in every way, and perfect for a single person. I hope the new models out there live up to the performance of their predecessors.

Pete


Post# 44548 , Reply# 10   9/5/2004 at 22:55 (7,199 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        
Bosch New Bern NC factory

Read the attachment on the earlier entry-The Bosch tool factory was breifly used by them before the tool division was bought up by Skil-Emerson. After they took over the tools-they manufacturing for them was moved to another location-I am not sure-someplace like Kentucky or Tennesee.Other power tool builders are in those states.The Bosch Appliance factory sounds very impressive. Like its flexibility as mentioned in the article.They can build whatever appliance is in demand at the time of an order.Also they changed the way enamaling and pocealization is down. Gone with the acid baths and etching. the alkali method would be more earth freindly.-But still have to run the hi temp kiln though to bake the finish.Wonder if they have tours!!? would be neat to see it. also a factory that build audio mixing consoles is in New Bern-Wheatstone.they build audio mixer consoles for the broadcast and recording industries.Would like to see them as well.

Post# 44554 , Reply# 11   9/6/2004 at 00:51 (7,199 days old) by Super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)        
Bosch nexxt

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I've been washing with a nexxt premium since march. It is great! The door however does not latch itself closed. If i get ours in just the right position it will close, but still wont "latch" itself closed. I wasnt expecting it to.


At 215lb, yeah it can move! Thats the #1 complaint we have from customers about them. They havent been fairing well on first or second floor laundry that isnt on concrete or ceramic tile.

But Damn does it wash good!


Post# 46854 , Reply# 12   10/12/2004 at 22:00 (7,162 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
In love

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I too have been cooing over the Bosch Siemens machines so much so that the saleslady at our Lowes recognizes me! I need more ROOM! I love the doors and the size of that dryer! Why I could fit me & Aloysius in there!

I am very curious if anyone has any washing experience with these yet? Earthling loves his set (smaller,NEXXT i think) now that they are working up to capacity. It seems built like a Cadillac!

jet



Post# 46857 , Reply# 13   10/12/2004 at 22:57 (7,162 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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The Bosch Nexxt and Sieman washers are the same, just slightly different cycles and whistles for the Siemans machine. Therefore cannot see how one can have a larger capacity than the other.

Both Bosch and Siemans belong to the same parent corporation, BSH Group, and both sets of laundry appliances are made in Bosch's North American plant.

Launderess


Post# 46879 , Reply# 14   10/13/2004 at 08:12 (7,162 days old) by christd1 ()        
Siemens Capacity

Its funny that this issue came up. When BB launched the Siemens brand I did a little research and found that they claim 3.7 IEC on the Siemens model but the Bosch model never gives and IEC rating (that I could find). I have only seen either 3.03 cu. ft. or 18 lbs.
I am now very curious if these are the same size because a 3.03 cu. ft. tub would be closer to a 3.5 IEC rating. So either the Nexxt is smaller or Best Buy is incorrect in their capacity claim (which is possible as well).


Post# 46881 , Reply# 15   10/13/2004 at 08:50 (7,162 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Their washers, dryers and DW's aside, have you seen their ranges? There's a dual-fuel Siemens range with my name on it somewhere! Sameful that American manufacturers can't match that quality.

Post# 46884 , Reply# 16   10/13/2004 at 10:55 (7,162 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I thought Earthling had the older model of the Bosch, the one before the Axxis models came out. Or did he get a new set?

Post# 46896 , Reply# 17   10/13/2004 at 14:27 (7,161 days old) by agiflow-action ()        
Nice ranges

I totally agree Peter,...those ranges are very nice.
When i first saw the Bosch/Siemens ranges,the design of the backguard made me think it had a light,.....wish manufacturers would put those things back in.Not all of us have a microwave over our range with a light.


Post# 46931 , Reply# 18   10/13/2004 at 21:45 (7,161 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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According to the Engergy Star website all the front loaders made by BSH in the North America plant (2 Bosch Nexxt models, and both Siemens) have the same volume, 3.03.



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Post# 47107 , Reply# 19   10/16/2004 at 01:31 (7,159 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Bosch/Siemens

I'm starting to see TV ads for Siemens now.


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