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please help maytag, A104
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Post# 270105   3/16/2008 at 18:49 (3,844 days old) by dave9999 ()        

hi, thanks for any help you can offer. I have a maytag A104 dependable care, that wont agitate, spins perfect. In agitate belt slips on the large pully on trans. Trans pully hard to turn by hand.

Post# 270115 , Reply# 1   3/16/2008 at 19:00 (3,844 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

Sounds like a frozen agitator shaft. You would need to replace the transmission.

Post# 270131 , Reply# 2   3/16/2008 at 19:53 (3,844 days old) by dave9999 ()        

thanks, I assume its a throw away at this point.
1...Any recommendations for new top loader.
2...Does maytag still make similar washer with two belts. Thanks very very much .dave

Post# 270133 , Reply# 3   3/16/2008 at 20:03 (3,844 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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It may just be the brake package malfunctioning. It's responsible for shifting trans from spin to agitate, and visa-versa.

Post# 270136 , Reply# 4   3/16/2008 at 20:15 (3,844 days old) by dave9999 ()        

wow, how can i determine if brake or trans.

Post# 270138 , Reply# 5   3/16/2008 at 20:20 (3,844 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

The Dependable design from Maytag is no longer made.The quality of them had really slipped in the last 10 yrs or so.
As much as most bash Whirlpool direct drive washers, it is the most dependable conventional top load washer made today. The other 2 options are GE and Frigidaire for agitator top load machines.

Post# 270150 , Reply# 6   3/16/2008 at 20:46 (3,844 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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"wow, how can i determine if brake or trans."

I can't remember the details off the top of my head as I am at work, but when I get home I'll dig out the Maytag repair manual and walk you through some diagnostic procedures.

Post# 270203 , Reply# 7   3/16/2008 at 22:19 (3,844 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

If the washer spins normally, then the brake is fine and doing it's job...does sound like a bad tranny. When the pulley is hard to turn in the agitate direction, you could have a frozen agitate shaft or a broken gear. The orbital tranny had it's share of frozen agitate shafts.

Post# 270217 , Reply# 8   3/16/2008 at 23:01 (3,844 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Here's a thought. It may be a long shot, but completely fill the tub with the hottest water possible (crank up your water heater if you have to). Let it sit for a while and see if it'll agitate.

I had a similar problem with A490 that you described and this actually fixed it.

By the way, do you have the older helical transmission or the newer orbital?

Post# 270223 , Reply# 9   3/16/2008 at 23:13 (3,844 days old) by dave9999 ()        

My machine is helical trans. Do they also freeze up??
Pully really hard to turn in agitate direction, but can turn with force. I guess I'm stronger than motor.

Post# 270274 , Reply# 10   3/17/2008 at 07:32 (3,843 days old) by keithelong ()        
Maytag Frozen Agitator shaft

In the helical transmission you would have to teardown the washer to access the tranny. split the top housing from the tranny and drive the pinion from the agitator shaft, shine it up looking for a binding condition, bearing etc., and use center seal grease in the shaft bearing area when reassembling. install new mounting stem seal kit and possibly tub bearing and reassemble. I have freed up the agitator shaft on the orbital transmission by laying the washer down opening the front cover and transmission cover putting a coffee can to catch the oil when you use the drive pulley to turn the transmission then set washer upright,reverse wires ( not common just fill and agitation circuit) pressure switch to allow agitating with no water and spray carburator cleaner to remove burned on lubricant from the seizing condition in the bearing/shaft area while agitating. It will free up then fill oil back in transmission and replace cover. This has worked for me numerous times with the orbital transmission.

Post# 270321 , Reply# 11   3/17/2008 at 12:15 (3,843 days old) by dave9999 ()        

Exellent advice, nothing like a pro. Wish mine was orbital :-(

Post# 270434 , Reply# 12   3/18/2008 at 01:22 (3,843 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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"Wish mine was orbital :-("

An orbital trans is a direct swap.

It appears that coldspot is probably correct about the diagnosis of a frozen agitator shaft. Just for kicks, I listed the possible causes directly from the service manual below.

1) Defective Motor

(Doesn't seem to be your problem.)

2) Broken or slipping belt.

(This is a possibility if one of the tension springs for the gliding motor assembly is broken or weak.)

3) Slipping or loose clutch

(Replacement of the brake package is the cure for this problem.)

4) Stop lug improperly adjusted.

(This refers to the adjustment made to the brake package directly after replacement. Most likely not your problem.)

5) Worn agitator splines.

(Doesn't sound related to your problem.)

6) Transmission defective

(This is probably the most accurate answer related to your problem.)

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