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Post# 311509   10/25/2008 at 15:31 (5,661 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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at Grays this morning having coffee with Brian the service manager. He already has a set coming to his house!

They are nice, we humped the washer into place, they are solid! He went to the training, they are being very picky who gets to go!

He learned that there are several gel packs mounted between the tub and the large concrete balance weight ontop. Very clever system, the gel packs insure the weight oscillates 180 degrees out of phase with the tub and so the vibrations cancel out! The machine also has a learning feature you turn on once after it is installed, it runs dry and senses the vibration as it ramps up, when it finds the resonant frequency of its particular installation it learns that speed, saves the information and from then on skips right through that speed to avoid vibration.

Brian said they stacked wine glasses on top before and after and after he said there wasn't even a ripple on the water in the glass!!

But he said they screwed up the ignitor access in the dryer , to replace on the current units you have to take the whole dryer apart to get at the attaching screw! How could they make a goof up like that after all these years???






Post# 311517 , Reply# 1   10/25/2008 at 16:33 (5,661 days old) by tuthill ()        

Just saw them today during a Sears visit (which leaves a lot to be desired). I dont' like having to "push" everything to open em. 4.7 cu ft didn't look much biger than HT and the LG's but who knows, that's a lot of laundry!

Gel pack suspension, why didn't Bendix think of that!


Post# 311520 , Reply# 2   10/25/2008 at 16:40 (5,661 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Is this at Grays Appliance in Melrose Jon? I have been there before to get a belt for a Maytag DG410 that my friends have...they had it in stock thank gawd. But when it came to getting a replacement igniter for my Bosch stove....I am on my 3rd one for the oven. they wouldnt help even though the part was identical with what Whirlpool uses. I figured it would Xref since Whirlpool built the stove...maddening to say the least but whatcha gonna do. So I had to order the part thru Appliance Clinic and $100 later I had it the next day.
Anyways I had read about the vibration learning in the manual for the washer. Very interesting to find that out. I wonder if this washer can be put on a 2nd floor installation without vibrating the whole house. The gas dryer igniter placement is just plain stupid. Why didnt someone at Electrolux see that???
Mike


Post# 311521 , Reply# 3   10/25/2008 at 16:58 (5,661 days old) by magic clean ()        
Hmm?

"But when it came to getting a replacement igniter for my Bosch stove....I am on my 3rd one for the oven. they wouldnt help even though the part was identical with what Whirlpool uses. I figured it would Xref since Whirlpool built the stove...maddening to say the least but whatcha gonna do".

Mike, I don't believe Whirlpool has built any ranges for Bosch. They do make some built-in refrigerators for BSH's Thermador brand & Bosch currently makes the KitchenAid induction cooktop.

LP


Post# 311531 , Reply# 4   10/25/2008 at 18:54 (5,661 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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I saw these machines again the other day and was not impressed. I buy all my appliances from one store, from one salesman. Because I buy sooooo very many appliances, he always gives me an AMAZING discount and emails or calls me about any laundry sales coming up. He and I took at very close look at them and he said he already had several complaints about the door taking FOREVER to open. The machine on the floor took a full 6 seconds to pop open after you pushed on it!

Post# 311532 , Reply# 5   10/25/2008 at 18:59 (5,661 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

You would think that but they do make the ranges for Bosch. I was just as shocked to find that out as I thought that Bosch had their own factory and thats what I was told before we bought it. More than 3 people have told me that Whirlpool makes the ranges so like anything else if you think lets say a KitchenAid range is made by KitchenAid its made by Whirlpool. Or even better when GE was having some dryers made by Frigidaire instead of GE. Or the new Miele fridges are not Miele made its made by Liebherr. Is that clear as mud...lol

Post# 311539 , Reply# 6   10/25/2008 at 19:50 (5,661 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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I checked 2 of them out at sears. Was very very dissappointed in the door design. Door kept popping open and will not stay closed. Also with this type of design very vurinable to Leaks. I also wonder as to how the balancing will be before spinning? Being the drum is so big I anticipate problems going into spin. Are they designed for a upper floor? Also any word on a combo being produced.
Peter


Post# 311553 , Reply# 7   10/25/2008 at 21:06 (5,661 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

I have to agree about the door...its a pain and I think that this might be the only generation that will have them. If enough people bitch about it then it will go away and be replaced by a handle. When I want something to open up I want it now not when the thing decides it will open.

Post# 311555 , Reply# 8   10/25/2008 at 21:22 (5,661 days old) by soapnsuds ()        

I saw them at Lowe's a couple of weeks ago. Was kinda funny because I went there to buy my new Frigidaire washer/dryer with the back mounted controls. I was looking for the Lux's and walked past them about 4 TIMES! Thinking "where the hell are they? They said they had them!!" They where right out front. I walked right into them and didn't even notice. I though they where Whirlpool's! So obviously there isn't anything special about the design. lol. But they are nice and I didn't find anything wrong with the touch open doors. They both popped open right when I touched em'. They were fun and different.

I didn't know about the gel packs though...now that's the way to my heart. Throw in some kind of logic or something like that and I go limp as a noodle and my hand reaches for my wallet!

But I just bought the Frigidaires...I've decided low tech is the way to be. I LOVE having a dial again. I love the control of being able to just run the dial around and restart a wash or cheat and skip the dial a head a bit... I especially love the fact that I can (and did!) adjust the water level! I've got a nice, splashy wash and 4 splashy rinses. Yahoo :)
After having 2 LG's, a Samsung w/VRT-Silver Care (which BTW, was the WORST washer I have ever owned. It had the worst spin and was the NOISIEST washer), an ASKO, Miele and 2 Affinity's, I've missed my dial and knobs and I'm tired of all the silly hoopla. This Frigidaire goes into a spin no matter what! No temper tantrums, no act of congress, it just goes right into spin. It has really remarkable shocks and it even has breaks. When it is done with a spin, it immediately stops the tub to keep it from banging around. Over all I'm way impressed and even more so since I paid under $500 for it. It is however, a bit of a whimp with it 950 rpm spin. But hey, who wants perfect right? (Obviously no-one, since I'm still single! LOL)

Enjoy your new set Jetcone. Maybe some pix's when the new babies arrive?


Post# 311613 , Reply# 9   10/26/2008 at 10:46 (5,660 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Oh I haven't bought yet but

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I think they are in my future! I love the size of the dryer and the heft of the washer, it is 1950's Heavy!

Mike, yes that is Grays here in Melrose, once the largest independant Maytag dealer in the East Coast.
I am surprised they could not help you with your part, let me know next time you go over there.

The door on the washer at Best Buy was sluggish, the door on the Gray's machine popped open so fast you had to keep your hand moving to stay out of the way so there must be some kind of adjustment for this mechanism. Mike now remember new generations make new and different machines, we older ones must keep an open mind. Uni are you listening??????



Post# 311615 , Reply# 10   10/26/2008 at 11:01 (5,660 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Uni are you listening??????

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Jon, his Belltones have been dead and defective for years and he refuses to get them repaired or replaced. You know how crochety old men gan cet!!!

Post# 311625 , Reply# 11   10/26/2008 at 12:52 (5,660 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Jon i dont go to Grays that often but I do drive past it when I go and see some friends of ours in Stoneham. We usually go to the Blues Diner in Melrose on Monday nights..its gay night and all the Marys in the area are there. It does get busy. We have made alot of friends by going there. The food though at the place is not consistent so I do put up with it for good friends. Would love to go washer shopping with you someday...that would be a blast to drive some salespeople nuts...lol

Post# 311636 , Reply# 12   10/26/2008 at 14:51 (5,660 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Oh Mike I should meet you at Blues

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I didn't know it was gay nite right in town!!


We do their embroidery and the burgers are good.

We had a Scotch tasting there that was excellent but then again we were all drinking scotch all night!

Washer shopping is something we must do, we can flip them out.



Post# 311643 , Reply# 13   10/26/2008 at 16:22 (5,660 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
"its gay night and all the Marys in the area are there&

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Oh dear! I think a revisit to Melrose is in order! LOL

Post# 311645 , Reply# 14   10/26/2008 at 16:58 (5,660 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Its alot of fun and the things you learn and hear...some of it is scandalous and some can make me blush...but all in all its a trip.

Post# 311649 , Reply# 15   10/26/2008 at 17:27 (5,660 days old) by appnut (TX)        
some of it is scandalous and some can make me blush

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I didn't think there was anything that could make you blush he he he.

Post# 311669 , Reply# 16   10/26/2008 at 20:00 (5,660 days old) by soapnsuds ()        

went to Best Buy today and while I was waiting, I wondered over to the appliances... They had the Lux set, in white (which I like the best. Looked 'richer' than the blue IMO. I was a bit bewildered that they had the set IN BACK of the dept. They had that awful light green Whirlpool front load set up front. The Lux's looked almost as if they where left over from last year or something. LOL

I did give them a closer look. They really do look nice. Again, the doors popped right open on this set. I guess my only 'beef' with the set would be that I don't care for the way the dials just pop out. I would have preferred a smooth glide. Same with the detergent draw.

But over all, they are still a very nice set. I'm really intrigued by the gel pack/learned spin thing!



Post# 318355 , Reply# 17   12/5/2008 at 19:26 (5,620 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Just saw the new Electrolux washers at Airport Appliance in Hayward, CA.

I'm reasonably impressed with them. They are BIG, but not all that much bigger than the other plus 4 cu ft washers on the market.

I actually liked the push button on the detergent drawer. I also liked that the control dial will recess flush with the cabinet when you push it in, and then pop out when you push it again. Very slick.

For that front door... I'd probably keep some good suction cups on hand, just in case. And it would be hard to take the front window off, drill a couple holes, and mount a cabinet handle on it ;-).

There is a range of models, from the cheapest white at $1100 list, to the TOL Silver Sands at $1500. Capacity and most cycles are identical. The TOL model gets you a "wave control" which looks like an enhanced LCD display (didn't see it turned on) with more than just one favorite cycle, and a stain brain. Salesman said the basic model has been outselling the higher end models by a 5:1 margin. I applaud Electrolux for giving the low end model nearly all the bells and whistles of the fancier one: same capacity, internal heater, top spin, cycle selections, etc... Didn't ask if the basic model was available in colors. Have the brochure in the van still...

Most of all I like the fact that the door is reversible on both the washer and dryer. This is a simple enough capability to add to a front loader, and I hope more mfg's imitate Electrolux's lead on that feature.

Also saw the latest Miele 24" model... at 110 volts, kind of a disappointment, but then it's still build like a traditional Miele with cast iron cradle, etc. Can't say that for the 4.5 cu ft 4800 Miele, not that it's a bad machine, just not quite as well built as the smaller one.

Not sure if the salesman believed me when I told him I had four Mieles at home. Offered to trade them for a 4840... he said it was probably a fair trade but didn't take me up on it, lol.

No problem there. I like my Miele collection.

I mentioned the $3000 Kitchenaid front loader they'd had on display for a while. He said that they never sold a single one. It was apparently an attempt to keep KA in the washer game after Whirlpool decided to slap the Maytag name on the formerly KA branded version of the Duet. He also said that LG tried to imitate the stainless KA with their own stainless model, but that he "wouldn't wish LG on anybody"... ;-)



Post# 318388 , Reply# 18   12/6/2008 at 00:34 (5,619 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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I was sort of impressed to A Extent. I was very disappointed in the door design. It looks to be prone to leaking. I still don't understand why they don't come up with a combo. Most of these machines are over styled. It what goes on with the fuction of thease beasts thats most important. I wish all these machines had door designs like the bendix or the westinghouse's where you heard a solid click when you closed the door, and got a real solid seal. And yes I agree 100% I wouldn't wish LG on anybody.
Peter


Post# 318392 , Reply# 19   12/6/2008 at 01:18 (5,619 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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I just happened to go into the local major appliance store about a week ago and looked at the new Electrolux machines. They look nice. I like the look of the controls and at first I like the way the door looks and functions. BUT after opening and closing it a few times, the novelty wore off and I began thinking "I want a more solid door latch feel...". Hmmm.

Also, this washer and dryer happened to be plugged in. I played with the controls a little then the sales person set it for the high-speed spin (because she couldn't get it into the "demo" mode). Of course the machine was empty and was very quiet as the speed picked up. However.... as it was nearing the top RPM, the door, developed a plastic-on-plastic chattery squeak! Yes the machine was level and no the cabinet was not vibrating at all.... just the door, and THAT is NOT a sound I want to hear every time the washer went into high RPM spin!!



Post# 318516 , Reply# 20   12/6/2008 at 21:39 (5,618 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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The squeak just might have been the dry rubber boot against the dry glass door. The salesman in Hayward said that the door wasn't a problem opening, but if the rubber got a bit dry and stiff it would take longer to open.

I tend to doubt that there will be a problem with the door flying open during a wash, or leaking from the less than solid door latch sound. There is no doubt a locking mechanism that makes sure the door won't open at times when water might escape.

Things I looked for but didn't find: An emergency door pull, like the Neptune and the Mieles have, where you can force the door to unlatch. I use it periodically with the Miele. Seldom have I needed it with the Neptune (only when the motor failed). That's because the Neptune lets you open the door at any time during the entire wash cycle. The Miele locks you out after a few minutes of washing.

Another thing not found: an access port for the coin/lint trap. There's not one on the Neptune and it's never been a problem, but ... it would be nice to have one on the Elux.

The saleman made a good argument in favor of the Miele 48xx over the new Elux. I can see his point. You can't beat the Miele heritage and their expertise with designing washers that work very well and last a long time. The Elux is sexier, but perhaps the Miele is a more durable and better performing product - albeit for about $500 more.



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