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Post# 325080   1/18/2009 at 13:34 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Woo-hoo! What a score! This weekend I made the trek down I-35 to a little place called Mission, Kansas. Waiting for me was MIB (box sold seperately hehe) 1950 Whirlpool Automatic w/ suds-saver. From what I know, it is the only machine like this left in existience. It's in literally perfect condition, as it was sitting on a Whirlpool dealer's floor its whole life. The link shows the dealer's website. Thanks again for the machine and hospitality Dave, Paul, and Lori! So without further ado, here she is (hold comments till end of thread thx!)

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Post# 325081 , Reply# 1   1/18/2009 at 13:36 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

The nervous Whirlpool just outside its new home

Post# 325083 , Reply# 2   1/18/2009 at 13:38 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        
Installed!

The Unimatic is NOT happy

Post# 325085 , Reply# 3   1/18/2009 at 13:41 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        



Post# 325087 , Reply# 4   1/18/2009 at 13:45 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        
Money Shot!

Omg... what is THAT?

Post# 325091 , Reply# 5   1/18/2009 at 14:14 (5,576 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Oh, congratulations! Don't come across too many machines in new condition! That metal Surgilator is so nice.
I'll bet that thing just purrs along in near silence.
But, dirt beware! Very few other straight-vanes are as aggressive as a Surgilator!
Excellent find!!!!!!!!!


Post# 325092 , Reply# 6   1/18/2009 at 14:24 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        
On closer look

An aluminum Surgilator!

Post# 325093 , Reply# 7   1/18/2009 at 14:30 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

First fill with super hot water... Should've heard the machine warm up lol

Post# 325095 , Reply# 8   1/18/2009 at 14:50 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Look at the porcelain... I would love to get my hands on that special wrench and take the inner tub out... Imagine what the centerpost would look like!

Post# 325096 , Reply# 9   1/18/2009 at 14:52 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Controls up close

Post# 325098 , Reply# 10   1/18/2009 at 14:57 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Timer

Post# 325100 , Reply# 11   1/18/2009 at 15:01 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

First load

Post# 325101 , Reply# 12   1/18/2009 at 15:03 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Surgilatin'!

Post# 325103 , Reply# 13   1/18/2009 at 15:04 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

The quintessential 50's feature lol

Post# 325104 , Reply# 14   1/18/2009 at 15:07 (5,576 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Fantastic!

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Well done and a very special find....

I'm not a top-load kinda guy, but if I found something as special as that you'd have to fight me for it....

I can hear YouTube calling you by the way...lol


Post# 325107 , Reply# 15   1/18/2009 at 15:16 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Badge of honor

Post# 325110 , Reply# 16   1/18/2009 at 15:20 (5,576 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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GREAT WONDERFUL FIND CONGRATULATIONS..... I know you will have a good time with with the machine. How do's it sound? and the blue tinge on the agitator is that what it suppose to look like new? Darren k

Post# 325111 , Reply# 17   1/18/2009 at 15:20 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Maybe some more pictures later. The model number is 91562 and the serial number is 5541... dates anyone??

-Jed





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Post# 325112 , Reply# 18   1/18/2009 at 15:22 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

The machine is actually kind of loud, but then I'm used to a perfect Unimatic. I love the sound of the suds solenoid when it's draining the wash water.

Post# 325113 , Reply# 19   1/18/2009 at 15:24 (5,576 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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**WOW** Jed, this is an AMAZING find!!! Congratulations!!!! OMFG!!!! lol

Post# 325114 , Reply# 20   1/18/2009 at 15:29 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

O yeah, one more thing. The timer motor doesn't advance. Kinda sucks. Does anyone know if you can still get these? Or did they make enough changes to the timer from the original that it would be impossible to find... anyways, if anyone thinks they may have something that works or ideas, LET ME KNOW.

Post# 325115 , Reply# 21   1/18/2009 at 15:31 (5,576 days old) by jerseymike ()        
Nice find!

Someone took very good care of that washer. It looks like it's in very good shape.

Thank you for saving it.

Congratulations and enjoy!

Mike


Post# 325116 , Reply# 22   1/18/2009 at 15:35 (5,576 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Gorgeaus Jed!

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Well, that's just gorgeaus Jed!
Congrats!

Cheers
Leon


Post# 325119 , Reply# 23   1/18/2009 at 15:52 (5,576 days old) by suds14 (Pittsburgh)        

Congrats on your Whirlpool washer, I never seen one with a metal agitator.

Enjoy

David


Post# 325123 , Reply# 24   1/18/2009 at 16:38 (5,576 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

That timer may only need a good contact cleaning, and a whack or two, and it will start right up.

Post# 325128 , Reply# 25   1/18/2009 at 18:07 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Ok, another question... does anyonoe know how to take the handles off the timer and temp control. I tried to unscrew them but I didn't want to break anything.

Also got the parts breakdown for the machine, 3 tranny gaskets, and an agitator shaft.


Post# 325131 , Reply# 26   1/18/2009 at 18:20 (5,576 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Combo52 and Kenmore64 are two guru's you should be talking to!
Also Combo52 is likely to have any part you might need or at least will know where to get it, and few people have more experience working on Whirly/'Kenmo's as he (and his brother) have.


Post# 325132 , Reply# 27   1/18/2009 at 18:49 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        





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Post# 325143 , Reply# 28   1/18/2009 at 19:35 (5,576 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        

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Man, that is so cool! I hope you find what you need to repair the timer. Keep thinking I may find a Rollermatic in the same condition someday...

Congratulations!


Post# 325148 , Reply# 29   1/18/2009 at 19:48 (5,576 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Congrats Jed! The 1952 in the basement is very happy for you!

IIRC - when this was first posted a while ago, the owner mentioned that it had been completely rebuilt sometime in the 70's, then put out on the floor for a display. So I imagine that the thing runs like it is new!

Love the casted Surgulator; no idea it was around this early. I know the later models had an allen set screw for the knobs. If there are no holes for a set screw, maybe try turning them counter clockwise? Could be thread shafts. I dunno.

Ben


Post# 325150 , Reply# 30   1/18/2009 at 20:05 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Thanks Ben, I forgot you had that Whirlpool... I'll look for the set screws tonight.

Post# 325175 , Reply# 31   1/18/2009 at 22:45 (5,576 days old) by whirlaway (Hampton Virginia)        
Manual

I have a 1953 Whirlpool,and bought a beautiful 1949 to 52 manual off of e-bay.Let me know if I can help you.The timer is probably gummed up. Bobby

Post# 325177 , Reply# 32   1/18/2009 at 22:53 (5,576 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Someone is going to up late washing!

Congrats on this beautiful save - glad it's in a loving home. It sounds just spectacular and that Surgilator is just to die for.


Post# 325181 , Reply# 33   1/18/2009 at 23:33 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Under the hood

Post# 325182 , Reply# 34   1/18/2009 at 23:41 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Motor less timer

Post# 325184 , Reply# 35   1/18/2009 at 23:53 (5,576 days old) by tuthill ()        

Here's the confounded thing... Ben brought up the point of making sure that the timer is getting 120V, however I do not have a volt meter or immediate means of hooking it up to power so as of now I am stuck. The dealer I bought the machine from said he attempted to get it to work, so I assume that is just plain dead. If anyone knows what kind of motor this is and where I can get one let me know.

Post# 325196 , Reply# 36   1/19/2009 at 06:33 (5,576 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Call Bruce Chapman, owner of Mid-West Timer Service.(269)849-2800. You may have to get past his typically OBNOXIOUS old shrew that answers the phone. She thinks she is the boss and likes to "screen" his calls. If you can't get through to him without an explanation, just leave your name and number for him to call you back.

I know Mid-West has moved away from repairing these old timers, but perhaps they will have the parts you need for you to do so, or will know where to find them.
Its worth a try.


Post# 325197 , Reply# 37   1/19/2009 at 07:18 (5,576 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Wow Jed, congratulations!!!! That is the only specimen of the very first Whirlpool Automatic that I know of (unless someone has one here and I missed it).

You pulled both the escapement (larger round part at top) and the timer motor off (tall black round part), all you need is that little black part. I have some newer timer motors which I have had success (not always but sometimes) at retrofitting to replace the earlier black motors, those seem to be particularly susceptible to age.


Post# 325204 , Reply# 38   1/19/2009 at 08:43 (5,576 days old) by westyslantfront ()        

Congratulations Jed. Looks like a beautiful machine.


Ross


Post# 325259 , Reply# 39   1/19/2009 at 11:30 (5,576 days old) by phamq ()        

How much you paid for it Jed? Must be a long drive

Post# 325262 , Reply# 40   1/19/2009 at 12:00 (5,576 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Wow, what a fab find! Try Midwest timer, for sure - they found a timer for me that I was ready to give up on looking for. Keep us posted!

Post# 325273 , Reply# 41   1/19/2009 at 12:21 (5,575 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Beautiful machine Jed! Love the metal Surgilator too! Never knew they made those of metal. Your collection just keeps on growing. Congratulations on another rare classic, and thank you for the great videos also.

Post# 325297 , Reply# 42   1/19/2009 at 14:03 (5,575 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Nice mo-chine!

Post# 325308 , Reply# 43   1/19/2009 at 15:08 (5,575 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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wow...what a beautiful machine! Congratulations! I remember seeing those in a few neighbors' basements when I was a kid.

Post# 325346 , Reply# 44   1/19/2009 at 18:16 (5,575 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)        
Classic Whirlpool Washer Videos

In order to convert these through Online.Movavi.com, I had to scavenge the actual Youtube links. As soon as the online utility is back in service once again, I will have collected virtual demos of this 1950 Whirlpool top loader. It's the oldest Whirlpool washer in my video collection. Congratulations on finding this classic machine and thank you for sharing your demos.--Laundry Shark

Post# 325394 , Reply# 45   1/19/2009 at 20:23 (5,575 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Jed congrats on a great find

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Sounds nice from here. I love how they buried the tubs a foot down in the machine, like they were at the bottom of a laundry chute. Gyrafoam tells me it was to prevent deadly wash water diseases from splasing up and hitting you when you opened the lid!

Post# 325413 , Reply# 46   1/19/2009 at 20:50 (5,575 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
"deadly wash water diseases"

clearly Jet is 'trippin.

Post# 325416 , Reply# 47   1/19/2009 at 20:57 (5,575 days old) by scott55405 ()        

What a neat machine! I'd never seen a metal Whirlpool agitator, nor did I know they existed!

Post# 325509 , Reply# 48   1/20/2009 at 10:11 (5,575 days old) by autowasherfreak ()        

That is one beautiful machine. That is the first time I've ever seen a metal agitator. I hope you can get the timer fixed.

Post# 325569 , Reply# 49   1/20/2009 at 13:59 (5,574 days old) by beadsobleach ()        
WHIRLPOOL

They sure wanted you to know it was a Whirlpool

Post# 325578 , Reply# 50   1/20/2009 at 14:18 (5,574 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        

This is inovation! This is revolution! This is the best of engeneering! Look how everything is well designed! And the best thing is it still works after all those years! Can you show how that sudsreturn thing works?:D I like the idea of saving water.

Post# 325692 , Reply# 51   1/20/2009 at 22:17 (5,574 days old) by whirlaway (Hampton Virginia)        
Oldest?

Who made the bolt down top-loader for Sears in 47or48? My manual for Whirlpool shows one similar in the water valve adjustment section.The oddest thing of all it shows the water pump on an earlier model driven by a seperate electric motor.Does your button on the lid opener glow blu from the germicidal lamp.I luv these machines.Mine has a red cap on the agitator,its either a 53 or 52.

Post# 325773 , Reply# 52   1/21/2009 at 09:44 (5,574 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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The oddest thing of all it shows the water pump on an earlier model driven by a seperate electric motor.

Whirlpool produced those machines under the Kenmore brand starting in 1947. There were two pumps, the drain pump was mechanically driven from the drive belt, but the Suds-Saver Return pump was a separate electrically driven pump.


Post# 325788 , Reply# 53   1/21/2009 at 11:39 (5,574 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Memories:

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We had the Kenmore version of this machine, plus the matching dryer, in the early '60s. Mom and Dad were in the early years of their first mortgage, plus raising three kids, so there wasn't a whole lot of extra money kicking around. Dad somehow found the Kenmores used. Northwesty (where are you, guy?) has the same pair as his daily drivers today.

I don't remember a heck of a lot about the machines other than their outward appearance; Mom was one of those who believed that children should never so much as touch a major appliance. But I do remember their imposing, rounded Truman-era good looks.

We used those machines until '65 or so, when Mom got her apron in a bunch to get new Kenmores. BOL machines with absolutely no glamour they were, too.


Post# 325983 , Reply# 54   1/21/2009 at 21:51 (5,573 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Question for anyone who knows: How does an aluminum agitator handle exposure to liquid chlorine bleach? For some reason I thought aluminum & bleach didn't mix well.

Post# 326021 , Reply# 55   1/22/2009 at 03:32 (5,573 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Frigilux, i remember rows of speedqueens, Ladies with hair up in curlers, prouring a "glug glug of bleach in them. i would imagine the exposure was not long. especially in coin ops, but it did discolor and take the glossy shine off the agitator, otoh, you know SQ home machines may have been subjected to chroline soak overnight that i would guess make it worse. IIRC sq went to the plastic gray agitator by the early 70's maybe the chlorine bleach contributed to the decision to go plastic/ as well as cost. What member here says"speed queen Clean"? words to live by. alr2903

Post# 326022 , Reply# 56   1/22/2009 at 03:39 (5,573 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

sorry to double post: i lost my train of thought or lack of it, Jed was the "loading shoot down to the the washtub plastic or metal, I was wondering if the mechanism and tub lower in the machine lowered the center of gravity, decreasing vibration during spin. alr2903

Post# 326102 , Reply# 57   1/22/2009 at 12:53 (5,572 days old) by tuthill ()        
alr

The laundry shoot is metal.


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